Putin Says 9/11 was Anglo-American black OP

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

here is the link (http://www.storyleak.com/911-russia-presents-evidence-against-us-uk-and-israel-co-conspirators/)

This is pretty crazy!

[Rafiq]

After doing some research the only mainstream news outlet which had anything to say about Putin and 9/11 was this http://rt.com/politics/9-11-putin-seliger-investigation-toronto-355/

I am unsure of the validity of your link.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

After doing some research the only mainstream news outlet which had anything to say about Putin and 9/11 was this http://rt.com/politics/9-11-putin-seliger-investigation-toronto-355/

I am unsure of the validity of your link.

Mainstream, lame stream, this is actually a thing and he's actually saying this.

Your article is pretty old too.

[Zoroaster]

The site itself seems to be run by right-wing loonies, so I wouldn't be to sure.

[Tim Cornelis]

Of course he would say that. But we, as anti-imperialist communists, know better:

http://www.oakke.gr/english1.htm


Dear friends,

Welcome to our page. We are a Marxist political party of Greece under the name OAKKE (Organization for the Reconstruction of the Communist Party of Greece). OAKKE was established in 1985. We support that Russian imperialism is today the main threat for all humanity, just like Hitler was in the ‘30s-‘40s. Our objective is to reconstruct the Communist Party on the base of the proletariat’s revolutionary experience.

From 1985 we have participated in all national elections and euro-elections and we fight against the red-brown political current.

Russia did 9/11: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_for_the_Reconstruction_of_the_Communi st_Party_of_Greece

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Of course he would say that. But we, as anti-imperialist communists, know better:

http://www.oakke.gr/english1.htm



Russia did 9/11: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_for_the_Reconstruction_of_the_Communi st_Party_of_Greece

That's weird and your links also don't really elaborate on how this party thinks Russia did it?

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

The site itself seems to be run by right-wing loonies, so I wouldn't be to sure.

Not every non-mainstream media source or 'conspiracy' sites are 'right-wing loonies.'

[Zoroaster]

Not every non-mainstream media source or 'conspiracy' sites are 'right-wing loonies.'

No, but this one is.

"Actionable money and finance information in our troubled economy
Second amendment rights and gun control facts
Internet freedom and net neutrality (SOPA, CISPA, and beyond)
Spy drones and their implications
Privacy on an individual and international level".

Right wing libertarian sites aren't reliable.

[Sasha]

Did Putin also say anything about the Moscow apartment bombings that where the pretext for the second Tjetsianian war? You know, those attacks that where actually a government organized false flag operation?

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Did Putin also say anything about the Moscow apartment bombings that where the pretext for the second Tjetsianian war? You know, those attacks that where actually a government organized false flag operation?

No, he was probably to busy reading about the USS Maine, Tonkin, JFK, Lusitania, Pearl Harbor and the other black OPs carried out by Anglo-American imperialists. I think it's funny that, stating the Moscow apartment bombings (which happened when I still lived there) was inside job is cool. You might say there is little evidence to prove the contrary. But to state 9/11 was an inside job based upon shit science, bizarre theories and little credible evidences; that means you're a 'right-wing looney' around these parts. I think this is odd, I really do.

Also, who the FUCK moved this to Shit-Chat? Talking about some non-existent idiotic nerd herd oh, I'm sorry, 'New Left Party' in the UK? Cool, any of the other idiotic threads in political? Fine, my thread? Oh no, obviously chit chat cuz we disagree with her. Fucking bullshit. Like wtf.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

No, but this one is.

"Actionable money and finance information in our troubled economy
Second amendment rights and gun control facts
Internet freedom and net neutrality (SOPA, CISPA, and beyond)
Spy drones and their implications
Privacy on an individual and international level".

Right wing libertarian sites aren't reliable.

Aside from the first two points, which are debatable, I don't see what's so right wing or libertarian about what you've presented. It's not right wing or libertarian or whatever the fuck, it is, to be concerned about the specifics of the tyranny of the bourgeoisie. I actually, applaud efforts to point out, literal, material, quantifiable evidences of this oppression as opposed to the chess club and intellectual mastabatory fuckery, you hear and see elsewhere. Americans should be concerned about drones and FEMA camps and other such overt signs of an emerging police state. Why would anyone here argue otherwise? If Obama can kill some cat America doesn't like in Yemen with a drone, what makes you think they won't do the same here, mothafucka? Lol, I just do not get it.

[Lord Testicles]

That article claims that "micro nukes" are responsible for 9/11, the London bombings, the Bali bombings and Fukushima. The horse-shit crazy is strong in that article.

[Rafiq]

Not that Putin isn't a reactionary piece of shit, but he nor any official of the Russian state claimed 9/11 was an inside job. I promise.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

That article claims that "micro nukes" are responsible for 9/11, the London bombings, the Bali bombings and Fukushima. The horse-shit crazy is strong in that article.

are you saying mini nukes don't exist? (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suitcase_nuke)

[Rafiq]

are you saying mini nukes don't exist? (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suitcase_nuke)

The article claims that the micro nukes originated in Israel. What are the implications of this charge? This is ignoring the fact that the article is completely without proper credentials: Remember this is a reactionary website festering in conspiracy theorists. This begs the question: what would prompt us to believe any of that?

1. The alleged motivation for such acts are INCONSISTENT and make no sense.

2. The evidence is hardly adequate. While it might be possible that these "mini" nukes were developed by Israel, there isn't any evidence that they were sold to North Korea, or that they were ever used.

3. It doesn't make physical sense. The towers collapsing on 9/11 can be identifiably traced to a cause and effect of the planes crashing.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

The article claims that the micro nukes originated in Israel. What are the implications of this charge? This is ignoring the fact that the article is completely without proper credentials: Remember this is a reactionary website festering in conspiracy theorists.

I didn't know you harbored such feelings for Wikipedia; that's odd.


This begs the question: what would prompt us to believe any of that?

I don't know, what would prompt you to believe the US government or the 9/11 commision's report? I will ask you again my friend, how is believing some shadowy secret global cabal of insane persons (al-Qaeda) manage to bypass all of American security and intelligence and unleash some sinister, Dr. Evil plot? Instead of believing it was te same government which has already demonstrated it has, can and will carry out false flag operations both at home and abroad?


1. The alleged motivation for such acts are INCONSISTENT and make no sense.

2. The evidence is hardly adequate. While it might be possible that these "mini" nukes were developed by Israel, there isn't any evidence that they were sold to North Korea, or that they were ever used.

3. It doesn't make physical sense. The towers collapsing on 9/11 can be identifiably traced to a cause and effect of the planes crashing.

No, not it wasn't, and there are literally thousands of engineers and architects that would disagree with you.

[Rurkel]

I am glad that this thread is in chit-chat and hope that Василиса is just having some fun.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

I am glad that this thread is in chit-chat and hope that Василиса is just having some fun.

The American government is directly responsible for the death of over 100 million indigenous people; a purposeful genocide, a holocaust of the American Indians. It also responsible for the systematic enslavment, torture, rape, medical experimentation and so on of millions more of African captives. The US that is directly funding a coup in Ukraine. The same government which overthrew the Shah of Iran. The same government which fucked about in Nicaragua and other South American countries. No, you guys are right, they'd never do something like that. That's unthinkable.

In fact, I wish I had mentioned the bombings in Moscow myself. How is it you peoples have no problem accepting that was a false flag operation given there is little evidence to the contrary but yet, a similar event, carried out by another imperialist power, with equally shitty and shoddy "evidence" that, oh, THATS a "right-wing conspiracy"?

[Rafiq]

The implications of the 9/11 "truther" movement are quite clear: A violent, desperate attempt to retain the dream of the End of History. It is inconceivable, horrifying to them - the thought that this game isn't over. As reactionaries, the lengths they will go to retain their ideological universe include portraying the (false) state of things negatively, i.e. government conspiracies and so forth. It's much easier to believe that, then the fact that the global capitalist totality was contradictory and the postmodern Liberal democratic dream wasn't working out so well for the people's of the Near East. Barbarism, madness, Islamism, these things actively sustained the global liberal-capitalist totality, one could not exist without the other.

Al-Qaeda wasn't some kind of isolated "extremist" group that had nothing to do with what was going on in the Middle East. They weren't some kind of marginalized group with no real societal basis. They represented and embodied the hell that had befallen the Near east following the collapse of the Left - the Ideological hell produced by the failure of the Communists. The Islamists came out of the battle for universality in the Near East triumphantly, from Pakistan to Afghanistan, from Persia to Palestine. The reactionaries would never be content with the defeat of the Communists: The meek, inconsistent bourgeois-liberalism they had aligned themselves with was next on their list. It makes complete sense that 9/11 happened. American security and intelligence had previously concerned themselves, trained and prepared for airplane hijackings and hostage taking situations: Nobody ever fucking expected anyone to kamikaze the twin towers.

[Rafiq]

The same government which overthrew the Shah of Iran.

I don't like to be obnoxious and knit picky, but I think you're referring to Mossadegh. It isn't entirely unbelievable that wouldn't say otherwise, however, as some Iranians claim that the Islamist takeover was orchestrated by British (and or American) intelligence.

[Rafiq]

The fact that you're gullible enough to believe some groundless bullshit makes the credence in your claim that you have come across "thousands of 'experts'" who agree with you rather dubious. Tell me, are these experts anything like the reactionary websites you so openly rely on for your information?

Here's what Putin said: "To imagine that US intelligence services did it deliberately, with their own hands, is complete nonsense," the prime minister said. “Only people who do not understand the workings of security agencies can say that. It would be impossible to conceal it.

Why would he say that? Was Putin himself responsible for 9/11, as some of our Greek comrades would like to claim?

[Ele'ill]

How do we know that the planes didn't do it on their own?

[piet11111]

How do we know that the planes didn't do it on their own?

Its dem smart bombs i tell ya always plotting and scheming getting smarter on government money all the time.

[BIXX]

I bet it was the janitor, that guy was a real bastard.

[Tim Cornelis]

I don't know, what would prompt you to believe the US government or the 9/11 commision's report? I will ask you again my friend, how is believing some shadowy secret global cabal of insane persons (al-Qaeda) manage to bypass all of American security and intelligence and unleash some sinister, Dr. Evil plot? Instead of believing it was te same government which has already demonstrated it has, can and will carry out false flag operations both at home and abroad?

That is your parody interpretation of what actually happened.

9/11 as false flag operation makes no sense whatsoever. No strategic sense particularly.

[Lord Testicles]

are you saying mini nukes don't exist? (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suitcase_nuke)

No I'm saying that mini-nukes weren't responsible for 9/11, the London bombings, the Bali bombings and Fukushima and if you're going to convince me otherwise then you're going to have to produce something more compelling than what's been presented so far.


I will ask you again my friend, how is believing some shadowy secret global cabal of insane persons (al-Qaeda) manage to bypass all of American security and intelligence and unleash some sinister, Dr. Evil plot?

Yeah, how did those lowly Arabs managed to overcome the mighty American? They couldn't! It's impossible! It must have been an American, someone high up, only a mighty American has the power and the cunning to cause harm to another American!

I love that whenever anything bad happens in America it has to be a conspiracy of some sort.
JFK is shot by a working class bloke who never achieved much? Never! It must be an inside job!
Oklahoma city is bombed by a lone loon? Never! It was the Clinton administration!
Twin towers are brought down by a group of religious extremists? Never! No! They're not even fanatics of the right God! It must have been the Bush administration!


How do we know that the planes didn't do it on their own?

Occam's razor is far too convenient. Like it looks like a tidal wave and an earthquake caused the nuclear disaster at Fukushima but that's far too convenient an answer. It must have been mini-nukes planted by illuminati agents.

http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l2xy3u8gV41qc073co1_400.gif

[motion denied]

How do we know that the planes didn't do it on their own?


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[Zukunftsmusik]

I bet it was the janitor, that guy was a real bastard.

The butler. It's always the butler.

[Sasha]

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