Communist China

[adipocere12]

China still upholds marxism as being the philosophical ideological base of the country. How is Marxism seen by the people of China? If favourable, how is the increasingly deregulated economy justified to them?

Thanks

[Atsumari]

From what I saw, socialism is spoken in the same manner as liberty in America. Even when there is a policy that opposes socialism, they still try to combine markets and socialism into one like American politicians trying to combine occupation and surveillance with freedom. However, it should be noted that their form of capitalism is very different than that of the West which they use to try to prove that they are still socialist. In other words, they are trying to frame the discourse about capitalism as pro-West vs pro-China like Chavez has done.
In regards to Mao, he is for the most part seen as the last bad emperor of China. Even in the highly oppressive society, many people freely speak about the Cultural Revolution being a disaster and many former Red Guard members admit that they did wrong. However, there has been in revival in Mao's popularity as of late that has correlated both with Chinese nationalism and a Chinese New Left. The nationalists are the type of people you see at anti-Japanese protests holding up portraits of Mao and calling out the Communist Party for being weak and unheroic unlike Mao who was a true killer of Japanese. Then there is the Chinese New Left who I find to be rather similar to the TEA Party in America. They are mostly people talking about the good old days and how awesome things were during Mao and advocating for another Cultural Revolution while upholding traditional values.

[tuwix]

China still upholds marxism as being the philosophical ideological base of the country. How is Marxism seen by the people of China? If favourable, how is the increasingly deregulated economy justified to them?

Thanks

It's not philosophical base. It's propaganda base. And not Marxism. It's Maoism (only in propaganda).

Your sentence above remind me one joke about Radio Erevan (Erevan was capital of Armenian Socialist Soviet Republic as they called it).
There come a question to the Radio Erevan:
"Is true that in Moscow at the Red Square there are Mercedeses given for free?"
And the answer of Radio Erevan was:
"Yes, it's true, but...
And not in Moscow, but in Kiev...
And not at the Red Square, but at the Gorki's Square...
And not Mercedeses, but bicycles...
And they aren't give for free, but they're stolen..."

[Left Voice]

I don't think China still espouses Marxism in any real sense. They've long-since promoted 'socialism with Chinese characteristics' instead, which was essentially a way of reverting back to a market-based system resembling capitalism but without the party relinquishing 100% control. It isn't socialism and they know it, but if you consider that their very legitimacy is founded on the so-called 'people's revolution' and the establishment of socialism, it becomes clear why they invent such double-speak. If they ever formally renounce socialism, then the legitimacy of Communist Party rule is by implication called into question.

I have a fair few mainland Chinese friends all of whom are politically savvy, but socialism isn't even something that enters their process of thinking. Instead, people view it as a stable economic system designed to 'protect' the Chinese nation (in the broadest sense).

They're reactionaries, in other words. Marxism is dead there.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

China still upholds marxism as being the philosophical ideological base of the country. How is Marxism seen by the people of China? If favourable, how is the increasingly deregulated economy justified to them?

Thanks

From what I understand, Maoism is becoming popular again among students and radicals. However, China the country is most definitely state capitalist.

[Don't Swallow The Cap]

From what I understand, Maoism is becoming popular again among students and radicals.


Do you have a source for this? It's not that I don't believe you, I'd just like to read up on the subject.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

of course I do (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/08/06/198655/among-chinas-students-some-hope.html)



Do you have a source for this? It's not that I don't believe you, I'd just like to read up on the subject.

[RedHal]

From what I saw, socialism is spoken in the same manner as liberty in America. Even when there is a policy that opposes socialism, they still try to combine markets and socialism into one like American politicians trying to combine occupation and surveillance with freedom. However, it should be noted that their form of capitalism is very different than that of the West which they use to try to prove that they are still socialist. In other words, they are trying to frame the discourse about capitalism as pro-West vs pro-China like Chavez has done.
In regards to Mao, he is for the most part seen as the last bad emperor of China. Even in the highly oppressive society, many people freely speak about the Cultural Revolution being a disaster and many former Red Guard members admit that they did wrong. However, there has been in revival in Mao's popularity as of late that has correlated both with Chinese nationalism and a Chinese New Left. The nationalists are the type of people you see at anti-Japanese protests holding up portraits of Mao and calling out the Communist Party for being weak and unheroic unlike Mao who was a true killer of Japanese. Then there is the Chinese New Left who I find to be rather similar to the TEA Party in America. They are mostly people talking about the good old days and how awesome things were during Mao and advocating for another Cultural Revolution while upholding traditional values.

The Chinese New Left looks back to the Maoist era because of its egalitarian spirit, comparing them to the US Tea party is silly, if not ridiculous. The Chinese State denounces the Cultural Revolution because it still gives the current rulers nightmares. Much like the Western bourgeoisie the current CCP promotes a disastrous narrative of the cultural revolution, every petty bourgeois gets an instant book deal if they can come up with a sob story.

[bropasaran]

China still upholds marxism as being the philosophical ideological base of the country. How is Marxism seen by the people of China? If favourable, how is the increasingly deregulated economy justified to them?

Thanks
They wanted bolshevism, imitated Stalinism and got an even grater disaster then the USSR, with even more millions of dead people, so they basically reverted to orthodox marxism, with notions like the ones Marx and Engels advocated:

"the proletarian revolution will transform existing society gradually and will be able to abolish private property only when the means of production are available in sufficient quantity."

"Gradual expropriation of landowners, industrialists, railroad magnates and shipowners, partly through competition by state industry, partly directly through compensation in the form of bonds."

"The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie".

Unless by marxism you mean "not what Marx wrote, but what Lenin wrote", being reformist is upholding marxism.


From what I saw, socialism is spoken in the same manner as liberty in America. Even when there is a policy that opposes socialism
OP asked about marxism, not socialism.