How do Zionists get away with saying things like this? [Archive]

Lord Testicles

12th August 2014, 19:06

You've never heard of AIPAC, the ADL, the Board of Deputies of British Jews? They're not secretive, they're right in your face, they talk to the media and you haven't even noticed?

You know a "cabal" by definition implies a secretive organisation, right?

Regardless, what power does AIPAC, the ADL and the Board of Deputies of British Jews have over the British establishment?

The goal is always the same: Israel-first. Israel's national interests before the national interest of the host nations they're manipulating.

You know that's called foreign policy and every country does it.

The goal is always the same: America-first. America's national interests before the national interest of the host nations they're manipulating.

The goal is always the same: Germany-first. Germany's national interests before the national interest of the host nations they're manipulating.

The goal is always the same: Mongolia-first. Mongolia's national interests before the national interest of the host nations they're manipulating.

Ad nauseam.

Unless you are suggesting that AIPAC, the ADL and the Board of Deputies of British Jews actually work for Israel, which is a whole new level of stupid.

Maybe you need time to understand that Jews does not equate Israeli.

P.S Not to mention that the last time I heard the words "Jew" and "host nations" in the same sentence I was watching a Nazi Germany propaganda piece.

Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages

12th August 2014, 19:09

I'm referring to the anti-Semitism in the language you are using, that shit about 'host nations' would sound at home in some ss literature. You suck and should be banned

Trap Queen Voxxy

12th August 2014, 19:11

You know a "cabal" by definition implies a secretive organisation, right?

Regardless, what power does AIPAC, the ADL and the Board of Deputies of British Jews have over the British establishment?

You know that's called foreign policy and every country does it.

The goal is always the same: America-first. America's national interests before the national interest of the host nations they're manipulating.

The goal is always the same: Germany-first. Germany's national interests before the national interest of the host nations they're manipulating.

The goal is always the same: Mongolia-first. Mongolia's national interests before the national interest of the host nations they're manipulating.

Ad nauseam.

Unless you are suggesting that AIPAC, the ADL and the Board of Deputies of British Jews actually work for Israel, which is a whole new level of stupid.

Maybe you need time to understand that Jews does not equate Israeli.

Well, you see Jews are actually an alien race which is why the have power over the British government because they also can shift there shapes. They are very clever.

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Sinister Cultural Marxist

12th August 2014, 19:30

Yeah I read this book once all about that secret cabal, I think it was called the "zion protocols" or "elder zions" or who knows, but it was ALL about that secret cabal. Even had the minutes of the meeting !!! Must have been from when they founded AIPAC.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Five Year Plan

12th August 2014, 19:31

DannyMorin: do you advocate the revolutionary overthrow of the capitalist mode of production by the working class?

Deep Sea

12th August 2014, 19:31

Alexios

12th August 2014, 19:34

Deep Sea

12th August 2014, 19:39

lol please tell me this is a joke there's no way you're this ignorant

“There are people who control spacious territories teeming with manifest and hidden resources. They dominate the intersections of world routes. Their lands were the cradles of human civilizations and religions. These people have one faith, one language, one history and the same aspirations. No natural barriers can isolate these people from one another … if, per chance, this nation were to be unified into one state, it would then take the fate of the world into its hands and would separate Europe from the rest of the world. Taking these considerations seriously, a foreign body should be planted in the heart of this nation to prevent the convergence of its wings in such a way that it could exhaust its powers in never-ending wars. It could also serve as a springboard for the West to gain its coveted objects.” - From the Campbell-Bannerman Report, 1907

Alexios

12th August 2014, 19:47

That's not a common Eurocentric viewpoint at all, not to mention it was said over 100 years ago. Eurocentrists by and large don't see Israelis, or Jews on the whole, to be European. They espouse the idea that Europeans have roots explicitly in Latin Christianity, something largely alien to Judaism. Groups like the BNP and Front National, Europe's strongest Eurocentrist parties, certainly don't take pro-Zionist views at all.

Deep Sea

12th August 2014, 19:58

That's not a common Eurocentric viewpoint at all

Of course it is. No other explanation accounts for the consistent support of the European settlers in Israel.

not to mention it was said over 100 years ago."Israel belongs to the White Man" was said about two years ago by Eli Yishai, the interior minister, during the expulsion Sudanese migrants from Israel.

Eurocentrists by and large don't see Israelis, or Jews on the whole, to be European.But they clearly are, so it is a curious phenomenon indeed.

They espouse the idea that Europeans have roots explicitly in Latin Christianity, something largely alien to Judaism.Jews created Christianity.

Groups like the BNP and Front National, Europe's strongest Eurocentrist parties, certainly don't take pro-Zionist views at all.That's because most of these groups are actually Euro-skeptics, and oppose the European Union (itself an implicitly racist imperialist creation). If they didn't oppose the creation of a Super-Euro state, nothing would distinguish them from more typical rightwingers.

Trap Queen Voxxy

12th August 2014, 20:02

Jews are Europeans, hence why they get the support they do from the imperialist European powers. They see the Israelis as their kindred White Folk in need of assistance against darky savages.

If groups like AIPAC could conceivably control America, it is only utilizing this fact. Jews are seen as White Folk who only read the first half of the Bible.

Aside from the fact that European anti-semitism is on the rise and the fact that Jews are not European and are a distinct ethnicity and minority group of whom Europeans have shit on totally for centuries.

Deep Sea

12th August 2014, 20:07

Aside from the fact that European anti-semitism is on the rise

What does that have to do with Jews being Europeans?

and the fact that Jews are not European and are a distinct ethnicity

No they're not. Jews are a religious group, speak the languages of the various European nations they belong to, and are indistinguishable from them. Sephardi Jews look like Spaniards, Ashkenazi Jews look like Eastern Europeans, etc.

of whom Europeans have shit on totally for centuries.

Europeans murdered each other for centuries over stupid religious nonsense also. That had nothing to do with whether they saw the Europeans they were killing as Europeans or not.

Alexios

12th August 2014, 20:08

But they clearly are, so it is a curious phenomenon indeed.

They're not Europeans by racist Eurocentric standards.

Jews created Christianity.No they didn't. The entire theological and political structure of Christianity was created by Christians over a period of nearly 1500 years. For the vast majority of that time Jews were marginalized, and that's the way European reactionaries want it to be again.

That's because most of these groups are actually Euro-skeptics, and oppose the European Union (itself an implicitly racist imperialist creation). If they didn't oppose the creation of a Super-Euro state, nothing would distinguish them from more typical rightwingers.I'm not talking about Eurocentrism in regards to the European Union.

Europeans murdered each other for centuries over stupid religious nonsense also. That had nothing to do with whether they saw the Europeans they were killing as Europeans or not.

The fact that you characterize all European religious conflicts as "stupid religious nonsense" shows that you're totally ignorant of Pre-modern and Early modern European history.

Deep Sea

12th August 2014, 20:14

They're not Europeans by racist Eurocentric standards.

Except most of Europe is racist, and recognizes Israel as a European nation-state and support it. These small groups of weirdos notwithstanding.

No they didn't.LOL! Of course they did.

The entire theological and political structure of Christianity was created by Christians over a period of nearly 1500 years.That Christians changed Christianity has nothing to do with whether they created. How does a Christian create Christianity before it even exists? Were they Gentiles or Jews before they created it?

For the vast majority of that time Jews were marginalized, and that's the way European reactionaries want it to be again.Religion trumped anything else, till European Christians invented racism, to better colonize the New World.

I'm not talking about Eurocentrism in regards to the European Union.Of course you aren't. But it's obvious who the consistent racist Europeans are (the ones in charge) versus loud fringe elements who oppose the creation of a Super-Euro state.

Trap Queen Voxxy

12th August 2014, 20:17

What does that have to do with Jews being Europeans?

Nothing but it does have everything to do with your claim of Europe's apparent love for Jews since that's so obviously readily apparent by, oh, idunno, history.

No they're not. Jews are a religious group, speak the languages of the various European nations they belong to, and are indistinguishable from them. Sephardi Jews look like Spaniards, Ashkenazi Jews look like Eastern Europeans, etc.

This is ridiculous, have you not ear do the Jewish diaspora? The Jewish people were conquered and enslaved. Thi is what happens and while yes Yiddish does have Germanic elements and Ladino some Spanish; Hebrew is still very much a Semitic language and both other dialects reflect nothing other than cultural linguistic assimilation. Further, DNA testing has revealed that both Sephardi and Ashkenazi Jews have and share middle-eastern ancestry and so on. Being a Jew is more than being apart of a religious group of people. People who state otherwise are conscious or unconsciously supportive of an anti-Semitic tactic to further delegitimize the existence of the Jewish people.

Europeans murdered each other for centuries over stupid religious nonsense also. That had nothing to do with whether they saw the Europeans they were killing as Europeans or not.

So, why did the Nazis burn Freud and Einstein works what with them being both Atheists? You're literally dumb as fuck.

Deep Sea

12th August 2014, 20:26

Nothing but it does have everything to do with your claim of Europe's apparent love for Jews since that's so obviously readily apparent by, oh, idunno, history.Except the vast majority of European nation-states support Israel, showing the vast majority of Europeans still see Israel as their White Brothers.

This is ridiculous, have you not ear do the Jewish diaspora?Yes, I have heard of this myth. See Israeli historian Shlomo Sand's The Invention of the Jewish People for a thorough debunking of it.

Hebrew is still very much a Semitic language and both other dialects reflect nothing other than cultural linguistic assimilation.Hebrew is a dead language, like Latin. Modern Hebrew is an example of an artificial language, like Esperanto.

Further, DNA testing has revealed that both Sephardi and Ashkenazi Jews have and share middle-eastern ancestry and so on.Except this is a lie, and "DNA testing" has revealed no such thing.

Being a Jew is more than being apart of a religious group of people.No it isn't. An Ashkenazi Jew could come to America and never call himself a Jew, and no one would know the difference. Furthermore, an Ashkenazi Jew could go to Israel and call himself a Christian, and no one would ever know the difference.

So, why did the Nazis burn Freud and Einstein works what with them being both Atheists? You're literally dumb as fuckBecause Nazis claimed they were not Europeans. Like you.

Hrafn

12th August 2014, 20:29

Why isn't DS banned yet?

Alexios

12th August 2014, 20:45

Except most of Europe is racist, and recognizes Israel as a European nation-state and support it. These small groups of weirdos notwithstanding.

That "small group of weirdos" won a majority in this year's EU elections.

LOL! Of course they did.

That Christians changed Christianity has nothing to do with whether they created. How does a Christian create Christianity before it even exists? Were they Gentiles or Jews before they created it?

I specifically referred to the Christianity that developed during the Late Antique and Medieval periods. Of course Christianity was "created" by Jewish converts, but it owes its existence to later Christians.

Religion trumped anything else, till European Christians invented racism, to better colonize the New World.

Okay?

Deep Sea

12th August 2014, 20:49

That "small group of weirdos" won a majority in this year's EU elections.

Who actually cares about EU elections, other than people trying to create a Super-Euro state?

I specifically referred to the Christianity that developed during the Late Antique and Medieval periods.

And I specifically said "Jews created Christianity," which you (evidently) had a problem with.

Of course Christianity was "created" by Jewish converts

Though now it seems you have no problem with my original statement.

Trap Queen Voxxy

12th August 2014, 20:55

Except the vast majority of European nation-states support Israel, showing the vast majority of European still see Israel as their White Brothers.

You're an idiot.

here read this (http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/aug/07/antisemitism-rise-europe-worst-since-nazis)

You mistake Western imperialist states backing a strategic regional ally for all Europeans loving Jews as 'white brothers.' Name me one American or European Jew being President or PM? You cant. Your argument is ridiculous and anti-Semitic.

Yes, I have heard of this myth. See Israeli historian Shlomo Sand's The Invention of the Jewish People for a thorough debunking of it.

Lmfao, Shlomo Sand is an idiot and the Khazarian hypothesis has been thoroughly debunked, laughed at and proven to be mythistory.

Hebrew is a dead language, like Latin. Modern Hebrew is an example of a artificial language, like Esperanto.

More blatant fabrications.

Except this is a lie, and "DNA testing" has revealed no such thing.

No it isn't. An Ashkenazi Jew could come to America and never call himself a Jew, and no one would know the difference. Furthermore, an Ashkenazi Jew could go to Israel and call himself a Christian, and no one would ever know the difference.

read this (http://m.forward.com/articles/200825/why-ashkenazi-jews-are-not-descended-from-khazars/)

and this (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Khazar_myth#cite_note-3)

Because Nazis claimed they were not Europeans. Like you.

:rolleyes:

Deep Sea

12th August 2014, 21:17

You mistake Western imperialist states backing a strategic regional ally for all Europeans loving Jews as 'white brothers.'I make no mistake. The ruling regimes of the various European nation-states reflect their populations. If 99% of Europeans hated Israel and wanted their governments to stop supporting Israel, there would be a revolution overnight. The vast majority of Europeans either support Israel or don't care one way or another, and this is reflected in the regimes they choose to rule them.

Name me one American or European Jew being President or PM? You cant.What does that have to do with anything? A better test would be to ask how many Jews are in elected office relative to their population. By this standard, it is evident that Jews are overrepresented in American, British, French, etc, parliamentary bodies.

So you fail again.

Lmfao, Shlomo Sand is an idiot and the Khazarian hypothesis has been thoroughly debunked, laughed at and proven to be mythistory.Shlomo Sand is a professor of history at the University of Tel Aviv. Whether or not you accept the Khazar theory as being important to the conversion of Europeans to Judaism is separate from the debunking of the Diaspora that Sand also does.

More blatant fabrications.Except it isn't. Modern Hebrew is a creation of Eliezer Ben-Yehuda.

read this

and thisWhat do these two links have to do with whether or not an Ashkenazi Jew would be recognized as a Jew in America or Israel?

Trap Queen Voxxy

12th August 2014, 21:31

I make no mistake. The ruling regimes of the various European nation-states reflect their populations. If 99% of Europeans hated Israel and wanted their governments to stop supporting Israel, there would be a revolution overnight. The vast majority of Europeans either support Israel or don't care one way or another, and this is reflected in the regimes they choose to rule them.

You mean like the waves of Jewish businesses, synagogues and so on being looted and destroyed all across Europe? This narrative your peddling just to make you aware is shoddy is fuck. Just so you know. The stupidity here is unbelievable.

What does that have to do with anything? A better test would be to ask how many Jews are in elected office relative to their population. By this standard, it is evident that Jews are overrepresented in American, British, French, etc, parliamentary bodies.

So you fail again.

I know international Jewry must be stopped!

Shlomo Sand is a professor of history at the University of Tel Aviv. Whether or not you accept the Khazar theory as being important to the conversion of Europeans to Judaism is separate from the debunking of the Diaspora that Sand also does.

All of his work concerning either the Khazarian myth or the diaspora have been debunked and proven to be fictional historical revisionism and I think it's funny that you instantly inject into the conversation a name drop or more appropriately, intellectual dick ride an academic that is one of the most cited by white nationalists and other anti-Semites.

Except it isn't. Modern Hebrew is a creation of Eliezer Ben-Yehuda.

No, no it is not. Is this really your strategy? Because if you keep blatantly making shit up I will make fun of you or less charitably rip you new asshole because this is ignorant and annoying as fuck.

What do these two links have to do with whether or not an Ashkenazi Jew would be recognized as a Jew in America or Israel?

Aside from both links assert the Semitic origins of the Jewish people. You're so blatantly intellectually dishonest it's unreal.

Deep Sea

12th August 2014, 21:44

You mean like the waves of Jewish businesses, synagogues and so on being looted and destroyed all across Europe?I read something about JDL extremists provoking some protesters and using it as propaganda. Perhaps you'd care to list these incidents happening "all across Europe," so we all can get a better idea of how widespread you claim this phenomenon is.

I know international Jewry must be stopped!"International Jewry" has nothing to do with anything. The White Supremacists who rule America, Britain, France, etc, have nothing but love for their White Brothers, and their populations freely elect them in greater numbers than one would expect by random chance.

This is contrasted to your narrative, which says because America hasn't elected a Jewish president, the population must be a bunch of raving anti-Semites. Oh, and Britain must be anti-Semitic too for not ever electing a Jewish Prime Minister. Except for the fact they elected Benjamin Disraeli twice.

All of his work concerning either the Khazarian myth or the diaspora have been debunked and proven to be fictional historical revisionismExcept it hasn't.

No, no it is not.Yes, yes it is. He made it up in order to better integrate the various European aliyah groups, because not all of them spoke Yiddish.

Aside from both links assert the Semitic origins of the Jewish people. You're so blatantly intellectually dishonest it's unreal.Actually, the only one being intellectually dishonest is you. Refuting the lie of the Diaspora, a completely modern fabrication, has nothing to do with the Khazar theory. The Diaspora could be a myth, and the Khazar theory false. One does not necessarily imply the other.

Trap Queen Voxxy

12th August 2014, 22:06

I read something about JDL extremists provoking some protesters and using it as propaganda. Perhaps you'd care to list these incidents happening "all across Europe," so we all can get a better idea of how widespread you claim this phenomenon is.

theres this from my country (http://m.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26786213)

heres France (http://www.economist.com/blogs/charlemagne/2014/07/anti-semitism-france)

If you search the forum there is a whole thread about Parisian Jews.

and this (http://m.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27018606)

heres England (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2707421/Rising-tide-anti-semitism-Britain-Jewish-people-face-backlash-bloodshed-Gaza.html)

I could go on if you really need me too. I already posted a link talking about increasing rise of anti-Semitism in Europe. You can say anti-Zionist all you want but it's nothing more than code for good, old fashioned Jew hating talk.

"International Jewry" has nothing to do with anything. The White Supremacists who rule America, Britain, France, etc, have nothing but love for their White Brothers, and their populations freely elect them in greater numbers than one would expect by random chance.

International Jewry, global Zionist cabals, tomatoe, tomatoe, potatoe, potatoe. Let's ask the klan or a EDL bonehead how much they love Israel and the Jews.

This is contrasted to your narrative, which says because America hasn't elected a Jewish president, the population must be a bunch of raving anti-Semites.

That's actually not what I was arguing, more pointing out examples of how what you're saying is bullshit but it's your lie, you tell it how you want.

Oh, and Britain must be anti-Semitic too for not ever electing a Jewish Prime Minister. Except for the fact they elected Benjamin Disraeli twice.

K, you mean that one obscure dude who's family converted to the Church of England? That guy?

Except it hasn't.

It has and I just posted links discussing this so, yeah.

Yes, yes it is. He made it up in order to better integrate the various European aliyah groups, because not all of them spoke Yiddish.

Look dipshit, modern Hebrew is descended from classical and ancient Hebrew, linguistically, as modern English is to earlier forms of the language if not more so due to cultural preservation via holy languages used in liturgy and so on. This is absurd.

Actually, the only one being intellectually dishonest is you. Refuting the lie of the Diaspora, a completely modern fabrication, has nothing to do with the Khazar theory. The Diaspora could be a myth, and the Khazar theory false. One does not necessarily imply the other.

You knowingly name dropped the creator of said myth. You didn't exactly say much else and the text cited is about said theory. Either way? He is joke, how many links do I need to post? Seriously.

DannyMorin

12th August 2014, 22:11

You know a "cabal" by definition implies a secretive organisation, right?

I was referring to AIPAC, the ADL, the Board of Deputies of British Jews specifically. They are not secretive. Obviously, behind the scenes there are special interests of all brands trying to pull politicians in their particular direction. The Zionist lobby is one of many, but one of the most successful.

Regardless, what power does AIPAC, the ADL and the Board of Deputies of British Jews have over the British establishment?

Significant power, as noted by mainstream journalists like Peter Oborne and not just fringe pro-Palestinian groups. He made a programme about it for the mainstream Channel 4 TV network:

Again in collaboration with James Jones, Oborne wrote the pamphlet, "The Pro-Israel Lobby In Britain", which outlined the influence allegedly enjoyed by pro-Israeli media and politics lobbyists in the United Kingdom. The article asserted that while the lobbying efforts of groups such as Conservative Friends Of Israel (CFI), Labour Friends Of Israel, and the Britain Israel Communications and Research Centre (BICOM) are legal, their funding is often untraceable, their operations are non-transparent, and media seldom declare the influence of junkets arranged by these pro-Israeli entities on the tenor of their writing. Oborne and Jones conclude that changes are needed "because politics in a democracy should never take place behind closed doors. It should be out in the open and there for all to see." On this issue, Oborne wrote and presented an edition of Dispatches: "Inside Britain's Israel Lobby". In December 2012, he argued that the Conservative's unwillingness to criticise the Israel government threatens the prospects for a permanent peace in the region.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Oborne

The ruling regimes of the various European nation-states reflect their populations. If 99% of Europeans hated Israel and wanted their governments to stop supporting Israel, there would be a revolution overnight. The vast majority of Europeans either support Israel or don't care one way or another, and this is reflected in the regimes they choose to rule them.

I've agreed with much of what you've said but opinion polls don't reflect this specific point.

Survey:

Overall 16% say their sympathies lie with Israelis, 22% with Palestinians, 41% with neither and 22% don't know.yougov.co.uk/news/2014/03/11/israel-and-palestine-whose-side-britain/

Though I find opinion polls tend to overstate the support for the Israeli side. That point of view is backed up by recent demonstrations. A pro-Israel protest pulled 1,500 supporters in London, a pro-Palestinian demonstration got 150,000.

That goes to show the power of the Zionist lobby, they have the ability to slant government policy in favour of Israel when public opinion is pro-Palestinian.

I know international Jewry must be stopped!

You shouldn't have been so facetious on this point. He was absolutely correct in Jews being vastly overrepresented:

Jews are 8 times over-represented in UK parliament
At that rate Muslims would have 200 seats ‘Proportional Representation’ is a big buzz-word in the UK these days. It implies fairer voting and fairer government. It is claimed to give minorities a better chance of being heard and therefore, they say, it should be incorporated into the “new politics” our shiny new Coalition government has promised us.
But one minority group needs no help in that direction.
The Jewish Chronicle has published a list of Jewish MPs in Britain’s parliament. It names 24 – Conservatives 12, Labour 10 and Liberal Democrats 2.
I thought it was more. But let us for the sake of argument accept the JC’s figures.
The Jewish population in the UK is 280,000 or 0.46%. There are 650 seats in the House of Commons so, as a proportion, Jewish entitlement is only 3 seats.
With 24 seats they are 8 times over-represented. Which means, of course, that other groups must be under-represented, including Muslims.

The UK’s Muslim population is 2.4 million or 3.93%. Their proportional entitlement is 25 seats but they have only 8 – a serious shortfall. If Muslims were over-represented to the same extent as the Jews (i.e. 8 times) they’d have 200 seats.
All hell would break loose.
Yes sir, in the name of fairness there’s plenty of work here for proportional representation. Bring it on!
Meanwhile two Jews – the Miliband brothers – are battling for the leadership of the beaten Labour Party. Ed Miliband (former Energy Secretary) is 40 and David Miliband (former Foreign Secretary) 44, both far too young to lead this country especially when neither has achieved anything worthwhile in the real world outside politics.
It’s a reflection of the generally poor calibre of MP talent when such people, although academically gifted, can rise to the top. And indulging the young has had disastrous results. Think of Blair and the cult of arrogant youth he brought onto the political scene. Men of 40, especially politicians, think they know everything. They know nothing, as David Miliband (who backed the Iraq war) demonstrated in his blundering approach to the Middle East in Gordon Brown’s government.
Jewish over-representation is only part of our problem. An even bigger worry is the huge number of non-Jew Zionists that have stealthily infiltrated every level of political and institutional life. They swell the pro-Israel “lobby” to such a phenomenal extent that it accounts for an enormous 80% of the Conservative Party, which is now in power with the Liberal Democrats in tow as their junior Coalition partner.
sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2010/05/22/jews-are-8-times-over-represented-in-uk-parliament/

Bold belongs to the original article.

Trap Queen Voxxy

12th August 2014, 22:22

Translation: Jews and race traitors with their white faces and Jew gold have infiltrated every level of government.

DannyMorin

12th August 2014, 22:23

Let's ask the klan or a EDL bonehead how much they love Israel and the Jews.

The EDL love Israel:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/flushplease/edl20we20support20israel1.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/flushplease/edl5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/flushplease/edl4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/flushplease/edl3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/flushplease/edl2-1.jpg

Translation: Jews and race traitors with their white faces and Jew gold have infiltrated every level of government.

I dunno if this is to me but if it was... I'm white and my girlfriend is Japanese. If we had kids, they'd be mixed race. I AM a race traitor in their eyes. They'd accuse me of white genocide.

Deep Sea

12th August 2014, 22:29

theres this from my countryNothing in this link about "Jewish businesses, synagogues and so on being looted and destroyed" that I can tell.

heres FranceHere is a refutation:

mondoweiss.net/2014/07/synagogue-attributed-semitism.html

and thisIsrael does a lot to promote the idea of widespread anti-Semitism to encourage more European immigration to Israel. Seems their propaganda has been successful.

heres EnglandA handful of incidents. Hardly your "waves" of "Jewish businesses, synagogues and so on being looted and destroyed." Certainly not what one would expect if large segments of the British population hated Israel.

International Jewry, global Zionist cabals, tomatoe, tomatoe, potatoe, potatoe.More like a European conspiracy to support their White Brothers against the darky savages.

Let's ask the klan or a EDL bonehead how much they love Israel and the Jews.Then we can open a picture book and ask them to pick out the Jews from the "white" people. See how well they do.

That's actually not what I was arguingExcept it was pretty much exactly what you were arguing. You apparently think the lack of a Jewish president in America is somehow evidence of widespread anti-Semitism.

It has and I just posted links discussing this so, yeah.You posted some links from people that don't like Shlomo Sand's work. That's fine and dandy. Hopefully the reader will get a copy of Sand's book, compare it to your links, and decide for themselves. You can get a free pdf copy of Shlomo Sand's book online, if you google it. I would provide the link myself, but I don't have the required post count.

modern Hebrew is descended from classical and ancient Hebrew, linguistically, as modern English is to earlier forms of the languageExcept real languages aren't the product of one guy, like Modern Hebrew is. Real languages change over centuries because the way entire populations speak them change. This never happened with Hebrew. There is no evolution from Biblical Hebrew to Modern Hebrew. It is the intellectual product of Eliezer Ben-Yehuda, who created it pretty much whole-cloth.

You knowingly name dropped the creator of said myth.Except I didn't. If you actually knew anything about the Khazar theory, you would know it can be traced back to the famous French intellectual and Biblical scholar Ernest Renan, not the Israeli history professor Shlomo Sand.

He is joke, how many links do I need to post?You can post however many links you want. Please, do bury yourself further.

Durruti's friend

12th August 2014, 22:45

Except the vast majority of European nation-states support Israel, showing the vast majority of Europeans still see Israel as their White Brothers.

There's this thing called geopolitics, you know, and it don't care about such nonsense as "brotherhood by color". Funny how the same, obviously crypto-zionist European states, also support, say, Saudi Arabia and its antisemitic leadership.

Just for fun, what's your explanation as to why the state of Poland, nowadays one of the biggest supporters of Israeli politics, had no diplomatic relationships with the aforementioned between 1967 and 1990? Did Poles become non-white for some 20 years and didn't view Israelis as their "race brothers" during the period?

More like a European conspiracy to support their White Brothers against the darky savages.

Then we can open a picture book and ask them to pick out the Jews from the "white" people. See how well they do.
Jews are an ethnoreligious group, meaning there's no specific race to which they belong. (See for instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Jews)

I don't know what you're trying to prove or why, but you're just terribly uneducated on the matter.

Trap Queen Voxxy

12th August 2014, 22:50

The EDL love Israel:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/flushplease/edl20we20support20israel1.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/flushplease/edl5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/flushplease/edl4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/flushplease/edl3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/flushplease/edl2-1.jpg

shut (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/juliankossoff/100059179/the-english-defence-league-the-jewish-division-and-the-useful-idiots/)

up you (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100229941/edl-leader-tommy-robinson-tweets-link-to-anti-semitic-website-thats-the-company-he-keeps/)

awful jackass (http://modernityblog.wordpress.com/2010/09/28/edl-organisers-are-proven-neo-nazis/)

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQixsYHG6-qh2k1pa5zG9PH6a6hIpIV3uKtLnI2TifTllZSMY10

I dunno if this is to me but if it was... I'm white and my girlfriend is Japanese. If we had kids, they'd be mixed race. I AM a race traitor in their eyes. They'd accuse me of white genocide.

And I'm married to a chalky, what's this have to do with tea in China?

Deep Sea

12th August 2014, 22:53

There's this thing called geopolitics, you know, and it don't care about such nonsense as "brotherhood by color".White Supremacists match their geopolitics to the beliefs that keep them in power. Hence support for Israel amongst the vast majority of European regimes.

Funny how the same, obviously crypto-zionist European states, also support, say, Saudi Arabia and its antisemitic leadership.Saudi Arabia is a puppet state allied with America and Israel. Why would they not support it?

Just for fun, what's your explanation as to why the state of Poland, nowadays one of the biggest supporters of Israeli politics, had no diplomatic relationships with the aforementioned between 1967 and 1990?There was this thing called the USSR, you know.

Jews are an ethnoreligious group, meaning there's no specific race to which they belong.There is no such thing as an "ethnoreligious group," and "race" is a fiction.

Lord Testicles

12th August 2014, 22:57

I was referring to AIPAC, the ADL, the Board of Deputies of British Jews specifically. They are not secretive. Obviously, behind the scenes there are special interests of all brands trying to pull politicians in their particular direction. The Zionist lobby is one of many, but one of the most successful.

Who are the cabalists then?

Since I stated that the idea of a Jewish cabal pulling the strings of the British establishment was brain rot and you replied with: "You've never heard of AIPAC, the ADL, the Board of Deputies of British Jews? They're not secretive, they're right in your face, they talk to the media and you haven't even noticed?"

Are you suggesting that the AIPAC, the ADL and the Board of Deputies of British Jews are paid for and working at the behest of Israel?

Significant power, as noted by mainstream journalists like Peter Oborne and not just fringe pro-Palestinian groups. He made a programme about it for the mainstream Channel 4 TV network

Channel 4 also gave 3 1-hour long shows to Graham Hancock but that doesn't give any credence to the idea that there was a world spanning empire 10,000 years ago.

As for lobbies, well yeah. Nearly every industry, country and special interest group has one.

Again, show me what power AIPAC, the ADL and the Board of Deputies of British Jews have over the British establishment & show me how the Israeli lobby has so much power that it can (allegedly) pull the strings of British politicians.

Something more substantial than the words of a right wing journalist would be helpful.

bricolage

12th August 2014, 23:01

The idea of the Zionist lobby is strongly anti-semitic. No other country is ever spoken about in this way but when it comes to Israel and not, for example, Saudi Arabia (a good example that was mentioned before) geopolitics is suddenly a lot less about geopolitics and a lot more about whispering Jews.

And as all for all Jews being Europeans, c'mon.

Almost 800,000 Jews came to the nascent Israel from all over the Arab and Muslim world: Iraq, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Turkey, Yemen, Libya and a few from Leba - non. By the 1980s these oriental or “Mizrahi” Jews (the word means “easterner”) – “black”, as their European co-nationalists sometimes called them – were the majority in Israel. The mass arrival of Jews from the collapsed Soviet Union a decade later reshuffled the pack, so that Mizrahim (the Hebrew plural) now comprise about 40 per cent of the population.http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/world-affairs/2013/01/z-israel?page=0,12

You put a Palestinian Muslim next to an Israeli Jew in the same clothes and half of you on here wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

Deep Sea

12th August 2014, 23:13

And as all for all Jews being Europeans, c'mon.

Not all people who subscribe to Judaism are Europeans. Most of them are, but not all. Within Europe, of course, all the people subject to anti-Semitism were themselves Europeans.

Within Israel, the non-European Jews often form their own seperate political parties to represent their interests. Such as the Shas party, which receives most of it support from Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews. Ethiopian Jews are routinely treated as second-class citizens, with their blood being thrown out routinely.

Lord Testicles

12th August 2014, 23:18

Not all people who subscribe to Judaism are Europeans. Most of them are, but not all. Within Europe, of course, all the people subject to anti-Semitism were themselves Europeans.

Within Israel, the non-European Jews often form their own seperate political parties to represent their interests. Such as the Shas party, which receives most of it support from Mizrahi and Sephardic Jews. Ethiopian Jews are routinely treated as second-class citizens, with their blood being thrown out routinely.

Israeli born Jews are Asian, European born Jews are European and African born Jews are African. What does that have to do with anything though?

bricolage

12th August 2014, 23:20

Not all people who subscribe to Judaism are Europeans. Most of them are, but not all. Within Europe, of course, all the people subject to anti-Semitism were themselves Europeans.

Jews are Europeans, hence why they get the support they do from the imperialist European powers. They see the Israelis as their kindred White Folk in need of assistance against darky savages.
.

Deep Sea

12th August 2014, 23:22

If the vast majority of Israelis weren't European, America and Europe wouldn't support them. They'd treat Israel like Israelis treat Ethiopian Jews, or worse.

Dagoth Ur

12th August 2014, 23:25

Lord Testicles

12th August 2014, 23:29

If the vast majority of Israelis weren't European, America and Europe wouldn't support them. They'd treat Israel like Israelis treat Ethiopian Jews, or worse.

You are the personification of simplistic.

bricolage

12th August 2014, 23:29

If the vast majority of Israelis weren't European, America and Europe wouldn't support them. They'd treat Israel like Israelis treat Ethiopian Jews, or worse.
Read what I posted above:
By the 1980s these oriental or “Mizrahi” Jews (the word means “easterner”) – “black”, as their European co-nationalists sometimes called them – were the majority in Israel.

So I take it than in the 80's US & Europe stopped supporting Israel?

motion denied

12th August 2014, 23:30

DannyMorin

12th August 2014, 23:34

Are you guys really so scared of being called antisemites that you won't acknowledge the perfidious level of power Israel wields within the American and, to a lesser degree obviously, European establishments?

It is absolutely bizarre.

Here's a statistic:

Since 1990, the whole of the pro-Israel lobby has given almost $96 million in congressional campaign contributions and funnels a lot of the money through local political action committees, according to the Center for Representative Politics, a nonpartisan group that tracks money in politics. usc.news21.com/madeline-story/aipac-money-0.html

But sure, they gave away a hundred million dollars just for fun! It has no bearing whatsoever on the way representatives vote!

Bizarre.

Trap Queen Voxxy

12th August 2014, 23:35

yo (www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2013/05/13/jewish-researcher-attacks-dna-evidence-linking-jews-to-israel/)

Trap Queen Voxxy

12th August 2014, 23:41

I'm really surprised at the level of support for foreign zionism (ie zionism outside Israel) on revleft. Are you guys really so scared of being called antisemites that you won't acknowledge the perfidious level of power Israel wields within the American and, to a lesser degree obviously, European establishments?

For shit's sake anybody who criticized Israel in this latest flare up has been attacked on all sides by basically the whole western media.

Tf are you talking about? Like, I would argue Israel is a tool used by European and American governments as a strategic ally within the region. Others have also pointed out that America and European governments are also allies with the Saudi kingdom. Who, also funds various Palestinian resistance groups. This is some anti-Semitic bullshitery masquerading as anti-Zionism and anti-imperialism. The whole reason there is an Israeli state is due to the British government.

Deep Sea

12th August 2014, 23:56

Read what I posted above:
By the 1980s these oriental or “Mizrahi” Jews (the word means “easterner”) – “black”, as their European co-nationalists sometimes called them – were the majority in Israel.

So I take it than in the 80's US & Europe stopped supporting Israel?

The Mizrahi Jews were not part of the original aliyahs. They came in waves during the 1950s, and were treated as second-class citizens by the Ashkenazi-dominated parties that controlled Israel.

I'd question whether Mizrahi Jews were ever a majority in Israel. Could you provide a better source for this claim than the New Statesmen? There are a lot of issues with censuses in Israel and how Jews are defined, so I'd like to see some more evidence of this claim.

In any case, Europeans societies have no problem supporting their minority White Brothers pushing around the majority darkies, as long as they are in charge. Like South Africa and "Rhodesia."

Trap Queen Voxxy

12th August 2014, 23:59

The Mizrahi Jews were not part of the original aliyahs. They came in waves during the 1950s, and were treated as second-class citizens by the Ashkenazi-dominated parties that controlled Israel.

I'd question whether Mizrahi Jews were ever a majority in Israel. Could you provide a better source for this claim than the New Statesmen? Their are a lot of issues with censuses in Israel and how Jews are defined, so I'd like to see some more evidence of this claim.

In any case, Europeans societies have no problem supporting their minority White Brothers pushing around the majority darkies, as long as they are in charge. Like South Africa and "Rhodesia."

There have always been Jews in Israel?

Hrafn

13th August 2014, 00:02

Seriously, though, why aren't these people banned yet? Honest question. I don't recall rants about the Jewish world supremacy conspiracy being kosher around here.

Deep Sea

13th August 2014, 00:05

yo (http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2013/05/13/jewish-researcher-attacks-dna-evidence-linking-jews-to-israel/)

Interesting to note that Zionists and David Duke have issues with the Khazar theory.

That disagreement over the interpretations of Middle Eastern DNA also pits Jewish traditionalists against a particular strain of secular Jewish ultra-liberals who have joined with anti-Israeli Arabs and many non-Jews to argue for an end to Israel as a Jewish nation. Their hero is the Austrian-born Shlomo Sand—and now Elhaik. His study gained buzz in neo-Nazi websites and radical anti-Israeli and more radical pro-Palestinian blogs. For example, the notorious former Ku Klux Klansman David Duke actually attacked Elhaik in his latest anti-Jewish rant—Duke’s anti-Semitic beliefs hang on the fact that Jews are genetically cohesive and conspiratorial. “The disruptive and conflict-ridden behavior which has marked out Jewish Supremacist activities through the millennia strongly suggests that Jews have remained more or less genetically uniform and have … developed a group evolutionary survival strategy based on a common biological unity — something which strongly militates against the Khazar theory,” Duke wrote in his blog in February (http://www.davidduke.com/?p=33626).

bricolage

13th August 2014, 00:10

I'd question whether Mizrahi Jews were ever a majority in Israel. Could you provide a better source for this claim than the New Statesmen? Their are a lot of issues with censuses in Israel and how Jews are defined, so I'd like to see some more evidence of this claim.
The person that wrote the New Statesman bit has written an award winning book about 'Oriental Jews' so probably knows her stuff. Anyway Israeli stats currently have Jews of 'Middle East, Asia and African origin (excluding South Africa)' at 50.2%. I'm sure you'll question that but I'm not sure what Israel would get out of representing itself as less white... especially as you've made it sooo clear that they only have the support of Europeans because they are white.

Really the emphasis is on you to show why you question this considering you've provided nothing but weird speculation.

Trap Queen Voxxy

13th August 2014, 00:10

Interesting to note that Zionists and David Duke have issues with the Khazar theory.

So because some racist fucknut doesn't believe in some historical fiction that you take as being reality that somehow negates real, DNA studies? Interesting.

Sinister Cultural Marxist

13th August 2014, 00:11

I'm really surprised at the level of support for foreign zionism (ie zionism outside Israel) on revleft. Are you guys really so scared of being called antisemites that you won't acknowledge the perfidious level of power Israel wields within the American and, to a lesser degree obviously, European establishments?

For shit's sake anybody who criticized Israel in this latest flare up has been attacked on all sides by basically the whole western media.

In what kind of twisted little mind does "Accusing Jews of secretly using wealth and conspiracy to control the West is antisemitic" become "WE SUPPORT AIPAC!!!!"? What, were you raised in a glue factory or something?

Dagoth Ur

13th August 2014, 00:12

To the Israelis are NOT European crowd: How many black or even dark brown Jewish leaders has Israel had? From what I understand there has always been a significant portion of racism applied by Eurojews against the native arab looking or black jews.

Tf are you talking about? Like, I would argue Israel is a tool used by European and American governments as a strategic ally within the region. Others have also pointed out that America and European governments are also allies with the Saudi kingdom. Who, also funds various Palestinian resistance groups. This is some anti-Semitic bullshitery masquerading as anti-Zionism and anti-imperialism. The whole reason there is an Israeli state is due to the British government.
I'm an anti-semite because I don't believe Zionists have any right to pay for politicians in my country? I guess I'm an anti-Saudite too since I don't think they have any rights in my country beyond being reduced to ash.

Are you pro-zionist or something? Am I missing why you think it is okay that zionist lobbies actively buys votes in washinton and write attack pieces (which get carried by big papers like the NYT, LAT, and WP) on anyone famous who dares to criticize Israel's actions? Because that shit is fucked up and I don't care who does it jew or not.

Deep Sea

13th August 2014, 00:18

The person that wrote the New Statesman bit has written an award winning book about 'Oriental Jews' so probably knows her stuff.

Then she should be able to provide for it. Maybe she could, if she was participating in this thread. But I see no evidence of it in the article, so I see no reason to accept it is true.

Anyway Israeli stats currently have Jews of 'Middle East, Asia and African origin (excluding South Africa)' at 50.2%.

Source?

I'm sure you'll question that but I'm not sure what Israel would get out of representing itself as less white... especially as you've made it sooo clear that they only have the support of Europeans because they are white.

Again, European countries supported "Rhodesia" because it was controlled by "white" people. Doesn't matter if they were the majority or not.

Really the emphasis is on you to show why you question this considering you've provided nothing but weird speculation.

That a self-proclaimed "Leftist" thinks it is "weird speculation" that America and Europe support Israel because it is a European settler state is hilarious.

Dagoth Ur

13th August 2014, 00:19

In what kind of twisted little mind does "Accusing Jews of secretly using wealth and conspiracy to control the West is antisemitic" become "WE SUPPORT AIPAC!!!!"? What, were you raised in a glue factory or something?
It's not a secret. Zionism is a FUCKING POLITICAL PROGRAMME. They're in Washington trying to secure money not spend it. It's not a conspiracy if the government is openly saying "hey we're gonna help these zionists with billions of dollars while people in our own country starve". So back off with the crazy personal attacks.

DannyMorin

13th August 2014, 00:20

Accusing Jews of secretly using wealth and conspiracy to control the West is antisemitic

Sometimes openly, sometimes secretly. Here's a secret that slipped out:

In late 2007 it was revealed that David Abrahams, who was deputy chair of Labour Friends of Israel until 2002, had made secret and illegal donations through junior employees of 600,000 pounds sterling (approximately $1.2 million) to the Labour Party. Abrahams, “a Jewish millionaire,” admitted in The Jewish Chronicle that he concealed his activity because "I didn't want Jewish money and the Labour Party being put together." The Telegraph ran a photograph of Abrahams with Israeli former ambassador to Britain, Zvi Heifetz, and “insinuated that Israel was the source of the illegal campaign contributions.” According to an article in Haaretz, several in the media have maintained there was a connection between money donated by Zionist Jews and the pro-Israel policy of British prime ministers Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. Jon Benjamin, chief executive of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, told The Forward "Clearly there is a potential for it to turn against us."

wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_lobby_in_the_United_Kingdom

Facts cannot be anti-semitic.

Trap Queen Voxxy

13th August 2014, 00:22

To the Israelis are NOT European crowd: How many black or even dark brown Jewish leaders has Israel had? From what I understand there has always been a significant portion of racism applied by Eurojews against the native arab looking or black jews.

Judging by the verbiage being used here I guess I can assume this argument isn't science based, lol

I'm an anti-semite because I don't believe Zionists have any right to pay for politicians in my country? I guess I'm an anti-Saudite too since I don't think they have any rights in my country beyond being reduced to ash.

What is being argued as anti-Zionism in this thread is anti-semitism. Arguably both the Saudis and the Israelis are both tools of imperialism not the actual architect. Again, the whole reason there is an Israel is thanks to England. Same for the Saudi kingdom. Both the US and the UK have been fucking about the middle-east and trying to install puppet states for quote some time now.

Are you pro-zionist or something?

No, I just see no difference between historical antiziganist sentiments in Europe to anti-Semitic sentiments. This is nothing more than a modern manifestation of a very old and very real problem in Europe and the West.

Am I missing why you think it is okay that zionist lobbies actively buys votes in washinton and write attack pieces (which get carried by big papers like the NYT, LAT, and WP) on anyone famous who dares to criticize Israel's actions? Because that shit is fucked up and I don't care who does it jew or not.

Tf this have to do with anything?

bricolage

13th August 2014, 00:25

Source?
http://www.cbs.gov.il/reader/shnaton/templ_shnaton_e.html?num_tab=st02_24x&CYear=2009
Do the maths.

Again, European countries supported "Rhodesia" because it was controlled by "white" people. Doesn't matter if they were the majority or not.
This is true but you've only started saying it after people starting giving you facts about Israeli demographics that contradicted your original point and so...

That a self-proclaimed "Leftist" thinks it is "weird speculation" that America and Europe support Israel because it is a European settler state is hilarious.
Isn't what I said. There's a whole load of reasons why European states and the USA lend political and military support to Israel, it's weird speculation when you say stuff like this;

Jews are Europeans, hence why they get the support they do from the imperialist European powers. They see the Israelis as their kindred White Folk in need of assistance against darky savages.

ClawsandAwws

13th August 2014, 00:30

Israel is a horrible, colonial regime and to support their actions is to support ethnic violence. Groups like ADL are on the border for me, they seem to have a jewish bias, but I support their patrolling of fascist activities. All and all Israel is a racist, violent nation based on the ignorance of Zionists.

Dagoth Ur

13th August 2014, 00:38

Judging by the verbiage being used here I guess I can assume this argument isn't science based, lol
What's that even supposed to mean? Your support of Zionism in foreign lands is scientific? How so?

What is being argued as anti-Zionism in this thread is anti-semitism.
How is it anti-semetic to point out that Zionist groups lobby many western countries for funding? Because that is what this thread is about.

Arguably both the Saudis and the Israelis are both tools of imperialism not the actual architect.
So the fuck what? They're still deadly tools that kill all the time. And they're aren't strictly tools. Both have their own regional agendas that do not always line up with US protocols. They're important enough to American imperialism however that they are given this leniency. America would much rather this recent invasion of Gaza hadn't happened.

Again, the whole reason there is an Israel is thanks to England. Same for the Saudi kingdom. Both the US and the UK have been fucking about the middle-east and trying to install puppet states for quote some time now.
This is irrelevant to the fact that Zionist groups buy American politicians and shame American celebrities for not toeing a pro-Israeli line. You may be cool with foreigners doing this but I am not as I believe in self-determination.

No, I just see no difference between historical antiziganist sentiments in Europe to anti-Semitic sentiments. This is nothing more than a modern manifestation of a very old and very real problem in Europe and the West.
Except that you know it isn't and that you're just regurgitating the old Zionist canard that Zionism = Judiasm, and that anything short of implicit support of Israel is antisemitism.

Tf this have to do with anything?
The whole fucking premise of the thread. That ZIONISTS OCCUPY AN UNREASONABLE AMOUNT OF INFLUENCE IN FOREIGN WESTERN CAPITALS. It's not acceptable when Saudi Arabia does it, it isn't okay when Frenchmen do it, and it certainly isn't okay when Zionists do it.

Deep Sea

13th August 2014, 00:43

http://www.cbs.gov.il/reader/shnaton/templ_shnaton_e.html?num_tab=st02_24x&CYear=2009
Do the maths.

There doesn't appear to be any specific information in this about who is Mizrahi, Sephardic, Azhkenazi, etc. Only countries of origin are listed. The Wikipedia entry on Mizrahi Jews (where I am assuming you got the 50.2% statistic) says the percentage of Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews (who are of European origin) are 50.2%. In any case, this is not a confirmation of the original statement that Mizrahi Jews were a majority in the 1980s. I had tried to locate any information on that before you asked, and came up with nothing. Perhaps you'd be kind enough to email the author of that article and ask them for evidence that Mizrahi Jews were a majority in Israel during the 1980s?

This is true but you've only started saying it after people starting giving you facts about Israeli demographics that contradicted your original point and so...Nothing actually contradicted my original point (that Europeans support Israel because it is a European state), and you haven't provided any fact yet about Mizrahi Jews constituting a majority of Israel in the 1980s. Perhaps you could actually locate some data to confirm this, as I'd be interested to know if it is actually true.

Isn't what I said.It is what you're saying. You (for some bizarre reason) think it is very weird that America and Europe would support Israel because it is a European settler state. Why you claim to think this is absurd yet call yourself a "Leftist" is open for anyone to speculate.

Trap Queen Voxxy

13th August 2014, 01:07

What's that even supposed to mean? Your support of Zionism in foreign lands is scientific? How so?

I still think it's funny that it wasn't too long ago I had people calling me an anti-Semite and now, I'm a Zionist apologist or supporter of Israel. My claim that the Jewish people are generally a group of people sharing common Semitic ancestry. That's what my link was about, DNA and genetics not vague aesthetic arguments like Arab looking people or Eurojews. Here's why this is stupid. Here is an actor famous for being casted for Middle-Eastern parts:

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/still/the-dictator-image04.jpg

He's actually totally Greek.

How is it anti-semetic to point out that Zionist groups lobby many western countries for funding? Because that is what this thread is about.

That's not what's really being discussed and you know it. The OP specifically used the verbiage of Zionist cabals aka ZOG and in addition to this another user, Deep Sea wrote a series of blatant anti-Semitic shit. That's what's this threads been about. Why you're now trying to spin this as good old fashioned patriotic isolationism is beyond me. It's not. If you want to throw your hat in the circle ranting about international Jewish conspiracies that's on you.

So the fuck what? They're still deadly tools that kill all the time. And they're aren't strictly tools. Both have their own regional agendas that do not always line up with US protocols. They're important enough to American imperialism however that they are given this leniency. America would much rather this recent invasion of Gaza hadn't happened.

The Saudi and Israeli states being puppets of Western imperialism is what's what. It makes total sense to back both. In fact, the also tried to control the spokesman of international Shi'ism too aka Iran too. Relevance? This all flies in the face of this narrative of 'international predatory Jewry.'

This is irrelevant to the fact that Zionist groups buy American politicians and shame American celebrities for not toeing a pro-Israeli line. You may be cool with foreigners doing this but I am not as I believe in self-determination.

Uh huh

Except that you know it isn't and that you're just regurgitating the old Zionist canard that Zionism = Judiasm, and that anything short of implicit support of Israel is antisemitism.

Saying there is a global conspiracy involving Jews and Jews controlling the media and politics and money and such sounds pretty anti-Semitic but hey, maybe that's just me.

The whole fucking premise of the thread. That ZIONISTS OCCUPY AN UNREASONABLE AMOUNT OF INFLUENCE IN FOREIGN WESTERN CAPITALS. It's not acceptable when Saudi Arabia does it, it isn't okay when Frenchmen do it, and it certainly isn't okay when Zionists do it.

Hey, like I said, that's not what this thread was initially about prior to your involvement and input but if you want to support and defend that shit; that's on you.

bricolage

13th August 2014, 01:11

Perhaps you'd be kind enough to email the author of that article and ask them for evidence that Mizrahi Jews were a majority in Israel during the 1980s?
Here's a pro-Zionist (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/mejews.html) website that says it, here's a vaguely liberal (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/apr/01/middle-east-israel-mizrahi) one, here's an http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/mizrahi-loyalty-smadar.html (anti zionist) one. But I'll admit that there's little information out there, I imagine records were sparse back then. Maybe I will email the author. I'd be interested to see if you have any contradictory information. I'd also be interested to see whether you still think all Jews are Europeans.

Nothing actually contradicted my original point (that Europeans support Israel because it is a European state), and you haven't provided any fact yet about Mizrahi Jews constituting a majority of Israel in the 1980s. Perhaps you could actually locate some data to confirm this, as I'd be interested to know if it is actually true.
Actually your original point was; Jews are Europeans so go figure.

It is what you're saying. You (for some bizarre reason) think it is very weird that America and Europe would support Israel because it is a European settler state. Why you claim to think this is absurd yet call yourself a "Leftist" is open for anyone to speculate.
There are so many reasons why they give support to Israel. There is domestic pressure and there is racism sure, but then is also the legacy of WW2, the Cold War and proxy powers, the need to have an ally in the Middle East, a built up IR relationship, trade links, sharing of military technology and so forth and so forth. I think it's weird that you think the whole enormity of geopolitics stops existing when it comes to Israel.

Dagoth Ur

13th August 2014, 01:14

Trap Queen Voxxy

13th August 2014, 01:23

@Василиса Прекр: Except it was but because people are so sensitive to old antisemetic tropes we've got several posters tilting at the imaginary windmill of crypto-antisemetism. For instance the notion that pointing out Zionist influence in foreign lands is tantamount to wringing your hands over a secret cabal of jews that control everything. If you can't see how the equation of these two disparate statements is absurd I don't know what to say.

You haven't really read this thread at all have you? The OP specifically called it Zionist cabals implying an international Zionist conspiracy. You're telling me that you endorse and would back everything stated by Deep Sea?

I've only got two questions I want answered:
1. Why do you think Zionists have any right to influence our media at all?

I don't see any real difference between Zionist lobbies and other various lobbies within the realm of imperialism. I personally don't think the Zionists or Jews, control the media. Is there a bias towards Israel in the American media? Sure, but there is also towards the Saudis and numerous other dodgy allies.

2. Why are all Israeli leaders as white as any north European?

One was also a woman and I don't see what personal appearances or pigmentation have to do with anything. I can point to Syrian, Jordanian and Lebanese leaders who also look like white people, does negate them being of Semitic ancestry?

Let me ask this: is it the holocaust or holohoax to you völk? Lol

Trap Queen Voxxy

13th August 2014, 01:26

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tduybgTtaC8/TzE8AYFNdYI/AAAAAAAAAxE/3dvu9f2w3vk/s1600/Dr.+Bashar+Al-Assad-1.jpg

^white

http://cdn.jordantimes.com/uploads/repository/df72983a0512e53bde47c2e2f36a796aef19da25.jpg

^look at this cracker rightcher

http://images.alarabiya.net/60/0e/640x392_97957_185106.jpg

^white as fuck

Deep Sea

13th August 2014, 01:30

Here's a pro-Zionist (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/mejews.html) website that says it

No source is provided, and lumps Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews together.

here's a vaguely liberal (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/apr/01/middle-east-israel-mizrahi) one

This article again says Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews (Europeans) were a majority.

here's an http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/mizrahi-loyalty-smadar.html (http://anti zionist) one.

This article appears to lump Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews into the same category. Again, no source is provided.

But I'll admit that there's little information out there, I imagine records were sparse back then.

The 1980s?

Maybe I will email the author. I'd be interested to see if you have any contradictory information.

Good! Get back to us here if the author gives you any relevant data.

I'd also be interested to see whether you still think all Jews are Europeans.

Walking around Manhattan, one will often run into a group of "Jews" who are black. They are known as Black Hebrew Israelites (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hebrew_Israelites). Some of them have even successfully emigrated to Israel. They have a peculiar reading of the Old Testament, and fervently believe they are Jews. I imagine various European groups probably had similarly bizarre reasons for re-identifying as Jews in the past.

Actually your original point was; Jews are Europeans so go figure.

The vast majority of them are.

There are so many reasons why they give support to Israel.

The reasons they say and the reasons they do are often completely different.

There is domestic pressure and there is racism sure, but then is also the legacy of WW2, the Cold War and proxy powers, the need to have an ally in the Middle East, a built up IR relationship, trade links, sharing of military technology and so forth and so forth.

All of these things are linked to the notion of "race."

Slavic

13th August 2014, 01:30

^

Ahoy, thar be crackers!

EDIT: damn its not funny when I post late.

Anyways, people, stop posting links to studies and facts concerning this issue. Deep Sea has not provided a shred of information from a reliable source besides his own whimsical mind.

Trap Queen Voxxy

13th August 2014, 01:34

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Dagoth Ur

13th August 2014, 01:41

You haven't really read this thread at all have you? The OP specifically called it Zionist cabals implying an international Zionist conspiracy. You're telling me that you endorse and would back everything stated by Deep Sea?
I don't endorse anyone I personally do not know. Deep Sea seems to be coming at this from the MTWist perspective and the OP was explicitly about Zionist lobbying. I do not see the antisemetism outside of the term being thrown around in a cavalier fashion.

I don't see any real difference between Zionist lobbies and other various lobbies within the realm of imperialism. I personally don't think the Zionists or Jews, control the media. Is there a bias towards Israel in the American media? Sure, but there is also towards the Saudis and numerous other dodgy allies.
There is no bias towards Saudi Arabia in American media. That's an issue the media keeps a tight lid on or else Americans would realize we directly fund some of the worst Islamists on Earth. And I'd say it is beyond bias for Israel and more like a political line that must be followed. Reporters get fired for making pro-Palestinian or anti-Israeli statements on the air.

And the primary difference is that Israel gets billions from America, they get access to high-grade miltary r&d, and for fuck's sake we allowed them to "steal" nuclear technology because we couldn't just give it to them. Israel gets far more than any other American ally or puppet.

One was also a woman and I don't see what personal appearances or pigmentation have to do with anything. I can point to Syrian, Jordanian and Lebanese leaders who also look like white people, does negate them being of Semitic ancestry?
Yes but there are black and Arab complexion Jews. Why are they not represented at all from what I can tell? The Knesset is a sea of white faces with the occasional Arab Jew.

Let me ask this: is it the holocaust or holohoax to you völk? Lol
This is incredibly insulting. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Trap Queen Voxxy

13th August 2014, 01:56

I don't endorse anyone I personally do not know. Deep Sea seems to be coming at this from the MTWist perspective and the OP was explicitly about Zionist lobbying. I do not see the antisemetism outside of the term being thrown around in a cavalier fashion.

The OP literally said Zionist cabal. What in the actual fuck are you talking about? How on Earth could Deep Sea's posts be construed as 'MTWism'? I fail to see any connection towards his posts and Mao Zedong Thought.

There is no bias towards Saudi Arabia in American media. That's an issue the media keeps a tight lid on or else Americans would realize we directly fund some of the worst Islamists on Earth. And I'd say it is beyond bias for Israel and more like a political line that must be followed. Reporters get fired for making pro-Palestinian or anti-Israeli statements on the air.

Aside from the Saudis lash and stone women regularly and no one says anything. Iran says they're going to stone someone, it's an international incident. That's the difference, there is so a bias towards the Saudis. Americans didn't give a fuck about their government funding, if not creating al-Qaeda, why would they care now?

And the primary difference is that Israel gets billions from America, they get access to high-grade miltary r&d, and for fuck's sake we allowed them to "steal" nuclear technology because we couldn't just give it to them. Israel gets far more than any other American ally or puppet.

So? Israel has nukes because it's a convenient way for the imperialist powers to have nukes within the region without their flags plastered inconveniently on the side.

Yes but there are black and Arab complexion Jews. Why are they not represented at all from what I can tell? The Knesset is a sea of white faces with the occasional Arab Jew.

Prove it. Again, we can do this pigment battle all day long.

This is incredibly insulting. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Why? Is it a tough question?

Lord Testicles

13th August 2014, 01:59

The OP literally said Zionist cabal. What in the actual fuck are you talking about?

Not to mention, the idea that Jews work like parasites in their "host countries" to manufacture support for Israel. Yep, no anti-Semitism here at all, not even any worrying language.

Trap Queen Voxxy

13th August 2014, 02:01

telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11018023/Labour-divisions-over-Milibands-Israel-offensive.html

Don't seek "domestic political advantage" from the conflict? This is code for "don't do what your pro-Palestinian electorate wants, do what the manipulative Zionist cabal tells you."

^So by 'manipulative Zionist cabal' ordering and controlling various individuals and instruments of government, they really meant Zionist lobbying is bad, mmkay? :rolleyes:

Dagoth Ur

13th August 2014, 02:05

It's insulting because you called me a fucking nazi. I'm done talking to worthless posters who cannot reign in their ad-homs. Shit even the Phora had a higher level of discourse than modern revleft.

Trap Queen Voxxy

13th August 2014, 02:07

It's insulting because you called me a fucking nazi. I'm done talking to worthless posters who cannot reign in their ad-homs. Shit even the Phora had a higher level of discourse than modern revleft.

Actually I didn't and actually I was more interested in Deep Sea or Danny answering than I am you because with you I am just more or less confused and disappointed.

Dagoth Ur

13th August 2014, 02:09

I don't give a shit what you claim to have intended but it is clear that you are trying to paint me as an antisemite becaise of my anti-Zionism. Why the fuck else would you ask me if I'm a goddamn nazi apologist holocaust denier?

Up until now I respected your posts but you crossed a fucked up line.

Trap Queen Voxxy

13th August 2014, 02:16

I don't give a shit what you claim to have intended but it is clear that you are trying to paint me as an antisemite becaise of my anti-Zionism.

No, I have argued that you are twisting this thread to mean something way more tame than what was actually posted and was confused as to why your in agreement seemingly, with these other two posters who posted shot that was clearly anti-Semitic. I asked because you put your ring in their hat and of which it was being argued Jews are European/khazar and that the diaspora of the Jewish people is a myth in which a commonly cited author was thrown up.

Why the fuck else would you ask me if I'm a goddamn nazi apologist holocaust denier?

Again I asked within the context of other anti-Semitic historical revisionism is being posted and endorsed.

Up until now I respected your posts but you crossed a fucked up line.

:( whatever man

Deep Sea

13th August 2014, 02:22

Lord Testicles

13th August 2014, 02:23

This is done precisely because they see Jews as their fellow White Brothers, which should show you the depth of intellectual deceit passing itself off as "socialist" politics.

Will you shut up or fuck off already.

Trap Queen Voxxy

13th August 2014, 02:31

It should be evident to any serious person reading this thread that Василиса Прекра is an apologist for the murderous state of Israel, and that the "anti-Zionism = anti-Semitism" narrative is an excuse to sneak imperialist politics into 'Left' discourse. This is done precisely because they see Jews as their fellow White Brothers, which should show you the depth of intellectual deceit passing itself off as "socialist" politics.

Aside from, I'm fucking Romani, I'm not white, I'm not European and I've never been privy to white privelages. So there's that. My position does stem from me being sympathetic towards a fellow minority group whom also was historically persecuted and experienced genocide at the hands of Europeans as well. Gypsies and Jews were both consider racial sub-humans by the Nazis and sent to the camps. So, yeah, totally 'chalkies supporting their white brethren' alright. I also, don't support Israel or Zionism nor do I apologize for either.

Deep Sea

13th August 2014, 02:57

Aside from, I'm fucking Romani, I'm not white, I'm not European and I've never been privy to white privelages.

On the internet, anyone can claim anything they want about themselves. Not like anyone will ever be able to prove you otherwise.

Hrafn

13th August 2014, 02:57

I find it rather hypocritical to complain about being compared to/called a Nazi, when one's allies in this same thread have already done the same to our dear Comrade Vasilinsa.

Hrafn

13th August 2014, 02:59

On the internet, anyone can claim anything they want about themselves. Not like anyone will ever be able to prove you otherwise.

Yes indeed. Much how like how you purport to be left-wing, it seems.

Trap Queen Voxxy

13th August 2014, 03:01

On the internet, anyone can claim anything they want about themselves. Not like anyone will ever be able to prove you otherwise.

Sure. They totally can. You're free to PM my old man, who also posts here and ask him. I could give a shit less if my ancestral history just took a huge shart on your arguments m8 hahaha :lol:

Deep Sea

13th August 2014, 03:01

Yes indeed. Much how like how you purport to be left-wing, it seems.

And any of my statements would contradict this how, exactly?

Hrafn

13th August 2014, 03:07

Nothing, except for the blatant anti-Semitism. Vas has done a pretty good job with uncovering it.

Trap Queen Voxxy

13th August 2014, 03:23

Nothing, except for the blatant anti-Semitism. Vas has done a pretty good job with uncovering it.

Shank ya, I just wanted to say also, to be clear there is totally a difference between being against Zionism, Israeli apartheid, imperialism, Zionist lobbying, etc. and being all like there is a global network of Zionist cabals which manipulate and puppeteer shit and that the historical forced displacement and enslavment of the Jewish people is a myth and other such nonsense. They should totally not be confused.

Deep Sea

13th August 2014, 03:51

Nothing, except for the blatant anti-Semitism.

Except there is no "blatant anti-Semitism." Pointing out that Israel is a European settler state supported by other European nation-states has nothing to do with "anti-Semitism." Unless, that is, you think "anti-Zionism = anti-Semitism," which is definitely what a lot of anonymous "Leftists" here want people to think.

Slavic

13th August 2014, 04:09

Except there is no "blatant anti-Semitism." Pointing out that Israel is a European settler state supported by other European nation-states has nothing to do with "anti-Semitism."

Your right it has nothing to do with anti-semitism, it has everything to do with maintaining hegemony in the Middle East.

What has absolutely everything to do with anti-semitism is seeing the Jewish people as some secretive organization that infiltrates and manipulates European states.

The "Jewishness" of Israel as nothing to do with US and European interests in the region, much like the "Sunniness" of Saudi Arabia has nothing to do with US and European interests in the region. The only thing that matters is friendly governments in those countries that cooperate with said former nations.

Revolver

13th August 2014, 04:46

I am assuming here that my audience here is not supportive of Israeli policy (clearly some are but by and large the Left on this issue has a consensus). There seem to be two general ways of approaching Israel's "outsized" influence in the West. The first is the "Israel lobby" thesis, which can quickly turn into ZOG-like accusations back and forth. Giving the person who advances this theory the benefit of the doubt, it is simply a special interest group analysis and not unlike the debates over the outsized influence of any particular lobby; the NRA, for example. The competing theory is that the Jewish state serves a vital strategic role in the region, and its "special relationship" is the result of being a client state not having any special grip on US domestic and foreign policy.
I have given the matter serious thought, but there are simply too many problems with the lobby theory to tilt the debate in its favor. If the US were controlled or directed by the interests of Israel over its own "national" interests (i.e., the interests of the US ruling class), then those interests would have no problem, at a minimum, creating alternative outlets designed to change that outsized influence. If media coverage was too pro-Israel, they'd just form a new channel, set up appropriate foundations to disseminate the counter-narrative and do what they always do. And they would be successful over time. Yet there is no clear domestic elite faction that seems interested in doing that. George Soros chastises the "lobby" for silencing dissenting views, but he is not capitalizing anti-Zionist groups like JVP, he is supporting liberal Zionist efforts like J Street. If Israel was truly perceived as a threat to energy interests it would be hard pressed to overcome the influence of that counter lobby. And so on. That doesn't mean that Israel will always have that support, but for now it would suggest that Israel's actions are supported by the US for strategic reasons related to the US ruling class. If they ever become a significant threat to those interests, it will suffer the same fate as past client states.

Trap Queen Voxxy

13th August 2014, 05:11

Something just struck me which I feel ha failed to be mentioned or brought up when such discussions have taken place. Namely, that I feel that the imperialist powers don't really give a shot about anything that goes on in the region in so much as keeping the various tribal bullshit going that already divides the region so as to keep the people/the proletariat within said region contained and not united against imperialist/foreign intervention and or capital.

Which is to say, as long as Arabs are fighting Jews, Iraqis are fighting the Kurds and others, that leaves America, Britain and others to sit pretty and profit as much as they can. Which is why America backing both Israel and the Saudis make sense to me. If you play all sides, you'll never lose.

Revolver

13th August 2014, 05:34

I think you need to look in-country as well. The tribal and sectarian allegiances have served the ruling classes within Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Israel, Egypt and Turkey equally well; even Assad has managed to use both sectarian divisions and the IS/ISIS boogeyman to his advantage. IS/ISIS threatens that balance, but in a way that ultimately reinforces, and justifies, US and Israeli militarism. Assad is also managing to use it as a way to deflect opposition to his government quite nicely.; he even coordinates attacks in ways that do maximum damage to FSA using jihadists less as a proxy than as a wild animal.

bricolage

13th August 2014, 09:15

I'm less tired now so I'll write a more coherent post and this will be my last one on the matter.

Deep Sea writes that the vast majority of Jews are European, this is indeed true for the global Jewish population but it is not the case for Israel. The CBS in Israel does not record the ethnic origin on Israeli Jews but they do track the paternal origin of their fathers. 33% are Israeli which doesn't help us here but of the rest 17.5% are from Asia or Africa, which gives a slight indication. You can find this information (the last one is from 2010) on this website. Most sources seem to estimate the Mizrahi population around 40% and you just google this. Even if Mizrahi Jews were not a majority in Israel in the 1980s, I've posted links to two books (Rachel Shabi and Smadar Lavie) and some other websites that suggest they were, which means there is something to suggest they were very near a majority if not one. On the contrary Deep Sea has provided nothing to back up any statements and has backtracked from 'Jews are Europeans' to 'Israel is a European state'.

Alongside this, all geopolitical considerations around Israel are said to stem from race and although I've never said race isn't an issue in how countries relate to Israel and Israeli violence towards Palestinians, all of the issues I mentioned equally apply to Saudi Arabia and noone has been able to suggest why that is if international relations is solely structured alongside race.

Instead we have people asking how many black prime ministers there have been of Israel and you have to wonder if they even know what Palestinians look like? And we have people dismissing the existence of non-European Israeli Jews because they are discriminated against - well no shit, who ever said they weren't and in what way does that affect the demographics of Israel?

I'll discuss things to do with Israel but this thread is just weird conspiracy theories and outdated ideas of ethnicity. Meanwhile Palestinians are being butchered and cutting through weird race speculation isn't any kind of excuse for this. Nor does it make any difference whether bombs are being dropped on schools by Europeans or not; the end result is the same.

Deep Sea

13th August 2014, 16:00

On the contrary Deep Sea has provided nothing to back up any statements and has backtracked from 'Jews are Europeans' to 'Israel is a European state'.

There was no backtracking. Just a clarification in light of some minor-nitpicking.

all of the issues I mentioned equally apply to Saudi Arabia and noone has been able to suggest why that is if international relations is solely structured alongside race.

Saudi Arabia is a client state run by proxy on behalf of the West, much like Colombia or Uganda. It is not an independent actor.

And we have people dismissing the existence of non-European Israeli Jews because they are discriminated against - well no shit, who ever said they weren't and in what way does that affect the demographics of Israel?

The discrimination of Mizrahi and other Jews just further demonstrates the racist nature of the state, and further supports that the European nation-states of the world support it simply because it is a European state.

Nor does it make any difference whether bombs are being dropped on schools by Europeans or not

It makes a lot of difference to non-Europeans who have to suffer from the imperialist violence and thievery of Europeans. I would also say it should put the strategic perspective of the Palestinian resistance into focus. I've met so many Arabs who support one version or another of the ZOG concept, who want to desperately believe it is possible various European nation-states will "wake up" and stop supporting Israel. The horrific truth is that they don't understand Israel is just the tip of an European imperialist iceberg, and many waste their time on activities that will have no effect.

Trap Queen Voxxy

14th August 2014, 03:02

There was no backtracking. Just a clarification in light of some minor-nitpicking.

Sure thing.

Saudi Arabia is a client state run by proxy on behalf of the West, much like Colombia or Uganda. It is not an independent actor.

This is a pretty shitty analysis of the Saudi kingdom considering it is the Saudis whom hold most of the chips with their control over oil, gas and energy.

The discrimination of Mizrahi and other Jews just further demonstrates the racist nature of the state, and further supports that the European nation-states of the world support it simply because it is a European state.

It's not a fucking European state in any sense of the bleedin word you twit. It's not apart of continental Europe, for example. Israel has more in common culturally, socially and ethnically/racially with their neighbors within the region than they do any country in Europe. The similarities between Jewish culture and Islamic culture should go without saying. Such as kosher and halal dietary regulations are virtually identical. Modern Hebrew is also relative and comparable to modern Arabic. A site I think is really good for highlighting this is the 'Jews for Allah' website, ran by Jewish reverts to Islam.

Your claim that Israel is a European state is preposterous and is comparable to saying the Saudi kingdom is a European state due to the creation of the kingdom of Saud and the Israeli state being incredibly similar and their relations with the West are equally as such an equally as friendly. You literally have like no leg to stand on. I don't understand why you keeping harping on about this.

Mentioning the discrimination of Mizrahi and Ethiopian Jews also doesn't confirm your absurd hypothesis in that it's no different than light-skinned black people being more favored and who, looked down on their darker brethren. This divide within the American black community is also odd. I am also not excusing said discrimination more I just don't view it as Europeans persecuting 'sand folk.'

It makes a lot of difference to non-Europeans who have to suffer from the imperialist violence and thievery of Europeans.

Let me ask this. Are you white? Are you European? What stake other than basic humanity do you have in this? White guilt can pretty bizarre is why I ask.

I would also say it should put the strategic perspective of the Palestinian resistance into focus. I've met so many Arabs who support one version or another of the ZOG concept, who want to desperately believe it is possible various European nation-states will "wake up" and stop supporting Israel.

Yes, actually real anti-Semitism is a problem that should be recognized within the ummah. Why? Because a lot of people are against the state of Israel and Zionism and find it difficult to express or voice whom are then dupped into believing some shite peddled by assholes like you. Like for example, my friend who was born a Jew but reverted to Islam facing discrimination and nastiness because of the situation in Israel/Palestine even despite being very commited to the deen and takes me to jummuah every Friday and doesn't expect gas or nothing.

Said hatred and frustration and pain should be channeled into the right direction, not whipped up into some Nazi-esque bullshitery. As I've said, there is a very clear difference between being anti-Zionist and being a bloody Jew hating bigot.

The horrific truth is that they don't understand Israel is just the tip of an European imperialist iceberg, and many waste their time on activities that will have no effect.

Yeah again because some people listen to assholea like you, David Ickes and Shlomo Sand.

Also, if Israel is a European state, so is Saudi Arabia. Following your logic, it has to be so.

Deep Sea

14th August 2014, 04:34

This is a pretty shitty analysis of the Saudi kingdomExcept it isn't. The House of Saud would be overthrown without extensive US backing.

It's not a fucking European state in any sense of the bleedin word you twit.It's a state run by Europeans on behalf of Western imperialism. Like America, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, etc.

Israel has more in common culturally, socially and ethnically/racially with their neighbors within the region than they do any country in Europe.This is a lie in every sense you have listed.

The similarities between Jewish culture and Islamic culture should go without sayingStart "saying" them, if you think it will help your case.

Such as kosher and halal dietary regulations are virtually identical.Like Christianity, Islam is a creation of Judaism.

Modern Hebrew is also relative and comparable to modern Arabic.It was created that way by Eliezer Ben-Yehuda.

Your claim that Israel is a European state is preposterous and is comparable to saying the Saudi kingdom is a European state due to the creation of the kingdom of Saud and the Israeli state being incredibly similar and their relations with the West are equally as such an equally as friendly.Except Saudi Arabia isn't full of European settlers.

Mentioning the discrimination of Mizrahi and Ethiopian Jews also doesn't confirm your absurd hypothesis in that it's no different than light-skinned black people being more favored and who, looked down on their darker brethren.Except discrimination of Mizrahi and Ethiopian Jews shows the basis of the Israeli state is European racism, and not a religious identity. European racism is also the basis of Western support of Israel.

This divide within the American black community is also odd.Colorism (the term I often see describing this phenomenon) appears to be largely a modern invention of Hollywood, with many Hollywood films like Precious very consciously trying to spread colorism to a mass audience.

Yes, actually real anti-Semitism is a problem that should be recognized within the ummah.I often find people who think there can be such a thing as a "Jewish Nation" often peddle ideas to Arabs about a "Muslim Nation." Perhaps you also like to tell Arabs to wait for the Mahdi to come and Jesus to return before Palestine will be liberated.

As I've said, there is a very clear difference between being anti-Zionist and being a bloody Jew hating bigot.Zionists and their apologists like to pretend telling the truth about the nature of the European settler state of Israel is "anti-Semitism." Even Jews who say it are just "self-hating" or "Jew-hating" Jews.

Yeah again because some people listen to assholea like you, David Ickes and Shlomo Sand. Arabs would be well advised to pay close attention to Shlomo Sand's work. David Ickes, not so much.

Also, if Israel is a European state, so is Saudi Arabia. Following your logic, it has to be so.Except Saudi Arabia is full of Arabs, while Israel is full of Europeans.

RedWorker

14th August 2014, 07:07

This notion of the entire Western world prostrating itself before Israel is one of the dumbest myths out there. Israel, in fact, isn't being pumped up to anywhere near the degree that people like you assume.

Israel is a bourgeois state and is not related to the Jews, just like Spain the bourgeois state does not represent the "Spanish people" (who are a social construct based on a combination of birth location, ancestry, etc... "Spanish people" is a bullshit bourgeois concept) and criticizing it does not mean being anti-"Spanish people" or something. The ruling class of Israel is also against the population of Israel. Israel only exists because it is supported by many bourgeois states. And its unethical actions are never acted upon. I understand that some people (perhaps identifying as leftists) sometimes may become unconsciously anti-Semitic, and they should be called out on that, but what you're saying here is just bullshit.

Palestinians are actually better armed in some cases

What the fuck?

if the US was a vassal of Israel then they'd have M1 Abrams tanks and a blank check for whatever else they need. This isn't the case at all.

Yeah I guess the U.S. doesn't send Israel hundreds of millions of dollars every so often for "military expenses" (financing mass murder). Bullshit.