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RedAnarchist
2nd February 2004, 11:13
Blunkett plans secret terror trials


DAVID Blunkett, the Home Secretary, aims to bring in controversial new laws introducing pre-emptive trials for Britons suspected of international terrorism, it will be announced today.

The threat from suicide bombers was now so great that the burden of proof in British courts may have to be lowered in terrorism cases, so that extremists can be tried before they succeed in mounting an attack, Mr Blunkett argues.

Proposals allowing British terror suspects to be tried at least partly in secret by a security vetted judge will be put forward in a discussion paper soon. Mr Blunkett hopes to "address the issues before the general election".

The proposal would effectively create a hybrid between the existing trial system and emergency powers which have so far allowed internment of 16 foreign terror suspects on evidence which is tested in secret. Evidence in the new trials would even have to be kept secret from the defendants themselves to protect MI5, MI6 and GCHQ sources, he said.

The contentious move could allow prosecutors to take action against extremist figures where evidence was not strong enough to win a conviction under existing court rules. "I think we need to debate how we can amalgamate the Terrorism Act 2000 and the 2001 terrorism legislation and deal with these delicate issues of proportionality and human rights on the one hand and evidential base and the threshold of evidence on the other," said Mr Blunkett.

"That is the real challenge. I want to look at how the differential evidence base can be dealt with within our counter-terrorism legislation.

"That is quite a challenge, because we are having to say that the nature of what people obtain through the security and intelligence route is different to the evidence gained through the policing route."

Mr Blunkett’s proposal could see the level of proof required for convictions reduced from the normal criminal level of "beyond reasonable doubt" to "on the balance of probabilities".

Asked if British nationals suspected of terrorism should be imprisoned on this lower, civil burden of proof, he said: "Yes, I want that debate. It is about the threshold of evidence and the nature of those involved being accredited and trusted not to reveal the sources."

Mr Blunkett said terror suspects could be defended by government-appointed lawyers who had been security-cleared, because of the risk of lawyers passing sensitive material back to the defendant.

Part Four of the Anti-Terrorism, Crime and Security Act 2001 allows foreigners who are suspected international terrorists to be detained indefinitely without charge or trial.

The act was criticised in December by a panel of senior parliamentarians, led by Lord Newton of Braintree, for failing to address the problem of British nationals with suspected terrorist links.

RedAnarchist
2nd February 2004, 11:24
Even Amnesty is getting worried about this.

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,3000...2984250,00.html (http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-12984250,00.html)

cormacobear
2nd February 2004, 11:29
This is not an answer look at their record with the I.R.A. they constantly arrested and imprisoned the wrong people. The obvious route to appeal is to say a sequestered attourney was not an appropriate defense. This legislation will never pass. In all likelyhood future terrorism suspects will be tried by military law. Which isn't much better in English society

RedAnarchist
2nd February 2004, 11:31
Look at the tuition fees vote last week.

Many of the backbench rebels just toppled after "discussions" with Blair and Brown. Almost noone in the present British Government can be trusted to stop this draconian legislation. :(

RedFear
2nd February 2004, 15:52
it would be an absolute disgrace if this is allowed to go through, and yet another dark dark day in britains history

toastedmonkey
2nd February 2004, 16:29
Stop being patrioitic - britain is a shit hole, and there is nothing to be proud of at all.

On the subject, however, it is a step towards thought crimes and could lead to a similar situation as Guantanamo Bay.

The Children of the Revolution
2nd February 2004, 17:09
britain is a shit hole, and there is nothing to be proud of at all.


Hey! I disagree! I love Britain!! And I am INCREDIBLY proud to hail from the same country as The Beatles and Queen etc. etc.

On the subject of the proposed legislation; I am outraged and disappointed. This seems to be the next step in Blunketts plans for the first European Police State since... well, the Nazis. What with his "identity cards" and anti-asylum laws, not to mention the influence he is trying to exert over the judicial system itself...

We are going the way of the pear. And of the US. Which is never good.