How's the revolution coming? Am i late?

[Marxist-Islamist]

Howdy, I'm a Southern Slavic Marxist-Leninist-Qutbi , I'm obsessed with Lacan & have a disgusting attraction to Zizek (not proud of it, but he's from my country).


Yeaaaah... That's about it.

[Q]

Welcome :)

If you have political questions, you can ask them in the Learning forum. That's why it's there after all!

If you have questions about your account, don't hesitate to send me a PM or ask her.

What is a Qutbi?

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

Presumably a follower of Sayyid Qutb's variant of Islamism, which to be perfectly honest raises some uncomfortable questions about the new posters' attitude to secularism, queer and women's liberation etc.

[Sinister Intents]

Welcome!

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Howdy, I'm a Southern Slavic Marxist-Leninist-Qutbi , I'm obsessed with Lacan & have a disgusting attraction to Zizek (not proud of it, but he's from my country).


Yeaaaah... That's about it.

Welcome akhi

[Red Economist]

Welcome to revleft.

An Interesting position to take; do you know much about the Islamic Marxists? I think there was a period in the in USSR in the 20's when Central Asia experimented with ideas about Islamic Communism. (If I'm not mistaken, this is why the current supporters of Political Islam use the term 'imperialist west' as a legacy of Marxist influence).

How do you reconcile Islamism and Socialism (brief look at the wiki page on Qutbism says socialism is considered western and corrupt?)

[The Jay]

Hello there, I'm not a maoist, but I do like his style. Welcome to the forum!

[DannyMorin]

Hi, I'm new too. Welcome!

[motion denied]

The revolution? I'm trying my hardest to prevent it.

Welcome.

[Leibnizmonads77]

The revolution? I'm trying my hardest to prevent it.

Welcome.

Oh? May I ask why you oppose (the) revolution? I can imagine legitimate reasons why thy might be the case, but as someone (at least conceptually) for such measures, I am curious.

[motion denied]

Oh? May I ask why you oppose (the) revolution? I can imagine legitimate reasons why thy might be the case, but as someone (at least conceptually) for such measures, I am curious.

I wasn't being serious :D

[PhoenixAsh]

Hi. Yes. Very late. We have done the revolution bit and now we are back to capitalism and worshipping the might Lefts Sock of Beeblebutt. All hail the sock drawer.

Welcome.

[Leibnizmonads77]

I wasn't being serious :D

Ahhhh. Le internet sarcasm, I see. :P

[Rafiq]

Now I've seen it all. An Islamist who fancies Lacan. There is no place for religion in Communism, no less politicized religion. We seek the mass execution of clergy and either burning places of worship or turning them into museums. Reserving private religious beliefs is one thing, but a fucking self proclaimed Islamist?

[Rafiq]

Presumably a follower of Sayyid Qutb's variant of Islamism, which to be perfectly honest raises some uncomfortable questions about the new posters' attitude to secularism, queer and women's liberation etc.

What's to ask, honestly? We already know.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Now I've seen it all. An Islamist who fancies Lacan. There is no place for religion in Communism, no less politicized religion. We seek the mass execution of clergy and either burning places of worship or turning them into museums. Reserving private religious beliefs is one thing, but a fucking self proclaimed Islamist?

No, I think you have Communism and being in a Scandinavian black metal band confused.

[Rafiq]

No, I think you have Communism and being in a Scandinavian black metal band confused.

It's not simply that we "disagree" over matters of belief. Religious institutions are instrumental in not only reproducing a social condition we oppose, they are the reactionary hounds unleashed by capital when reason alone proves to be on the side of the Communists. Religions represent the ideological apparatus of previous mode(s) of production, like feudalism. Initially bourgeois ideology was irreligious, but only formally. The hegemony of the bourgeois class was reproduced by religions in matters pertaining to private life, the family, morality and immediate existential problems, like death. The politicization of religion today represents neither the over-reaching influence of private life, or the reveal of a hidden feudal reaction. Rather it represents the utmost degeneracy of capital and bourgeois ideology. Liberalism itself and bourgeois-rationalism have become barriers capital must overcome.

So while politicized religious might pose a threat to the bourgeois-liberal apparatus, this is reactionary in nature. Fascists posed the same threat, too.

[Mississippi]

It's not simply that we "disagree" over matters of belief. Religious institutions are instrumental in not only reproducing a social condition we oppose, they are the reactionary hounds unleashed by capital when reason alone proves to be on the side of the Communists. Religions represent the ideological apparatus of previous mode(s) of production, like feudalism. Initially bourgeois ideology was irreligious, but only formally. The hegemony of the bourgeois class was reproduced by religions in matters pertaining to private life, the family, morality and immediate existential problems, like death. The politicization of religion today represents neither the over-reaching influence of private life, or the reveal of a hidden feudal reaction. Rather it represents the utmost degeneracy of capital and bourgeois ideology. Liberalism itself and bourgeois-rationalism have become barriers capital must overcome.

So while politicized religious might pose a threat to the bourgeois-liberal apparatus, this is reactionary in nature. Fascists posed the same threat, too.
A pretty good assessment, but this by no means is the case for all forms of religion. That being said, it does typically hold true for the major current incarnations of religion, and Islam is probably the absolute worst offender.

Frankly, I don't think any form of Islam can ever be considered acceptable, and I would certainly never support any "Islamist," or even any Muslim political force in general unless it appeared that their religious leanings were having a negligible effect on their policy.

[RedWorker]

There is no place for religion in Communism, no less politicized religion. We seek the mass execution of clergy and either burning places of worship

What the fuck?

[Bulletformyreagan]

Mass execution? Do you honestly believe this is the best course of action...