Revleft likely to be blocked in China.

[tuwix]

To little bit fool Big Brother from US government I use free VPN services. For example SoftEther. It gives access to many servers mainly in Asia. So recently I decided to use Chinese server to get to the Revleft. An instead of RevLeft I've got a messeage Error 324 (net::ERR_EMPTY_RESPONSE).

It seems that Revelft is blocked in China. And because of that I'd like sincerely greet all Maoists...

[Red Economist]

So we're on a banned website?

excuse the decadent western response but...

...'that is so cool'. :grin:

We'll have to start printing T-shirts saying "Too far left for the PRC".

[RedRev]

We'll have to start printing T-shirts saying "Too far left for the PRC".

I'm not sure you can do that, because I think Hoxha had that trademarked lol

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

It's freedom of information with Chinese characteristics you reactionary.

[NLibertusOnline]

I'm surprised they can even put together thoughts with such tiny brains...
What exactly is being blocked, the port, the site IP, or the server?

[Sasha]

I'm surprised they can even put together thoughts with such tiny brains...



excuse me? you begin your very first post with apparent racism? not of to great start now are we?

[Sasha]

while revleft.com is on and off blocked by the chinese it till now seemed that at least from hongkong and shanghai we could always be reached on our .org adress

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Damn capitalist roaders.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

I don't know whether to be more bemused by the fact that the CCP actually finds this forum to be something which threatens its stability, or optimistic about the fact that the CCP fears its workers hearing from leftists who openly discuss the ways in which "socialism with Chinese characteristics" is a joke.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

oh no the Chinese workers won't be able to follow the latest discussion on how markets are great or see people reposting articles by random weird peeps the revolution is doomed

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

oh no the Chinese workers won't be able to follow the latest discussion on how markets are great or see people reposting articles by random weird peeps the revolution is doomed

That's not fair to revleft - I think you're far more likely to see support for the market and critique of legitimate working class politics by the CCP than any random poster here.

[RedWorker]

omfg guys but china is communist!!

Yeah, not.

[Broviet Union]

Just to play devil's advocate, what if the CCP truly is pursuing the development of capital in order to inaugurate a socialist stage? Would it be any different than what we are seeing now?

[Red Commissar]

We used to have a user here called sunfarstar who posted from China. I'm guessing the time he stopped was around when this block was enacted, we brought it up then as well I think. It seems random when it is blocked or not though.

[motion denied]

i feel so hardcore now

[Red Economist]

Just to play devil's advocate, what if the CCP truly is pursuing the development of capital in order to inaugurate a socialist stage? Would it be any different than what we are seeing now?

To help clarify things a bit....



Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_ownership) of the means of production (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means_of_production) and co-operative management of the economy.


"What is socialism and what is Marxism? We were not quite clear about this in the past. Marxism attaches utmost importance to developing the productive forces. We have said that socialism is the primary stage of communism and that at the advanced stage the principle of from each according to his ability and to each according to his needs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_each_according_to_his_ability,_to_each_accord ing_to_his_need) will be applied. This calls for highly developed productive forces and an overwhelming abundance of material wealth. Therefore, the fundamental task for the socialist stage is to develop the productive forces. The superiority of the socialist system is demonstrated, in the final analysis, by faster and greater development of those forces than under the capitalist system. As they develop, the people's material and cultural life will constantly improve. One of our shortcomings after the founding of the People's Republic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Republic) was that we didn't pay enough attention to developing the productive forces. Socialism means eliminating poverty. Pauperism is not socialism, still less communism."( Deng Xiaoping, on 30 June 1984 at a Central Committee plenum, in a speech discussing Marxist theory) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_with_Chinese_Characteristics#cite_note-10)

It would revolutionize the concept of socialism by making private property economically superior to social property, demonstrating that contrary to all previous socialist economic theories, greed is the fundamental drive of human behavior and therefore of social development. So capitalism and communism become barely distinguishable in a hideous dialectical mess.

Generally amongst Marxists, I think it's dismissed as it is a hopelessly self-contradictory theory by a regime which is desperately clinging on to political power. If the economic growth rate goes down, they're pretty much finished as they've staked everything on achieving growth as the measure of 'socialism'. They've mainly just changed the definitions of the concepts to get away with it.

so, if they have got it right, no socialism would by very much like what we have now- only it would be "Neo-liberalism with communist characteristics".

Or to put it another way...

http://jenson.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/We-need-more-communism.011-001.jpg

[khad]

oh no the Chinese workers won't be able to follow the latest discussion on how markets are great or see people reposting articles by random weird peeps the revolution is doomed
http://www.revleft.com/vb/workers-struggles-f56/index.html
7 legit strikes/workers' actions reported in the past 2 months. This site is the vanguard of the revolution, I tell ya.

Really, even if people do get involved in real life, revleft would probably be one of the last places they'd talk about it. Let's face it. This site is just a social club for weirdoes who like to get their kicks from tearing each other down and stalking each other online. A lot of people have been thus "burned" during this site's "illustrious" history.