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Futility Personified
7th August 2014, 17:47
I recall there was a spate of posts some time ago on the idea that the proletariat is brainwashed as being patronising.

I understand this as I might've previously mentioned somewhere on the board, there can be a feeling of political "hipsterism" when discussing politics with people who do not have the time or the inclination to read or interpret the state of things, not to mention that scholarly, school-mastery tone that some people might choose to take when explaining a theory / showing off how much they read.

However, seeing as this is a leftist board where everyone and the kitchen sink harps on about the working class (as it should be), assuming I have remembered this correctly, as there were a significant amount of people espouting the idea that a brainwashed working class is patronising, how do they reconcile this with class consciousness?

Surely class consciousness IS the rejection of bourgeois interests and the positive affirmation of working people's needs under an egalitarian framework?

Could somebody please clarify this for me, if there is actually a distinction to clarify.

Red Economist
7th August 2014, 18:10
Surely class consciousness IS the rejection of bourgeois interests and the positive affirmation of working people's needs under an egalitarian framework?Yes, basically. it is not necessarily as literal as 'brainwashing' but that because capitalism is the world we live in, we just think it's "the way things are" and that we can't change it or do much about it based on our daily experiences.
Combine this with bourgeois ideas about the permanence of capitalism (e.g. it's "human nature", natural law, etc.) and the belief that capitalism makes everyone free (and equal) in a 'liberal' society and you have a recipe for people thinking that the 'way things are' is in their interests. These are more likely just to be things we repeat and learn from other people, at school, books, newspapers etc. more than anything else- but Mass Media has centralized information to an extent where large scale propaganda is possible (and if your thinking of advertising, normal).

in it's more intellectual form; false consciousness is the result of the division of mental and physical labour, where the capitalists do the 'mental labour' of organizing economic activity and come up with the ideas of how society works, and the proletariat doing the physical labour are simply too busy to really think about it. Class Consciouness is when the proletariat starts to think, "I'm doing all the work here, and you're getting a free ticket. That's exploitation! we can't live side by side. Comrades, to the barricades!" :D

Trap Queen Voxxy
7th August 2014, 18:17
Here's what I think. Class consciousness is merely the realization of your status in life on a class level (prole, lumpen or peasant) and that you are fundamentally being exploited by fellow humans who hoarde shit. Further, the only way to correct this alienation/exploitation or rectify this contradiction rather is through the overthrow these humans (the bourgeoisie) with your fellow exploitees.

Mind control can technically mean, anything which subverts an individuals control over their own thoughts, beliefs or affiliations and so on. *sniffles*

The former is merely a logical realization arrived at by an individual based upon objective, material circumstances. To brainwash someone that would mean presumably through coercion, I made someone arrive at this conclusion. That's some what tricky.

here is a link you may find useful too (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Union)