Dmt

[Rafiq]

Has anyone ever tried it? Did it have any long lasting psychological effects?

[The Feral Underclass]

Yes. No. But I only did it once. I imagine it's not particularly good for your mental health if you do it regularly.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

always wanted to. a few of my friends have done it. one of them described it as the most intense experience they've ever had and another said it didn't do much for him, and neither did acid.i think that some people are more sensitive to psychedelics than others.

[Rafiq]

I'm just worried because people who have done it tend to come out believing in the craziest shit (lizard people) and I was wondering in how that works exactly.

I'm extremely sensitive to them though, having only tried mushrooms and acid once. I didn't like acid at all, however, as it really just fucks you up rather than giving you a definite and predictable trip - it's really different for everyone. Is dmt like that?

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

i think that you're using these drugs in the wrong setting. the psychedelic experience can be wonderful and beneficial if you do it in the right context. i've never not enjoyed a trip because i've always made sure i was mentally prepared for it, was in the right setting and with the right people. you may end up seeing crazy shit and it may open your mind up to thoughts you would normally reject but that's the nature of psychedelics. if you aren't willing to see the world dramatically change in front of you, then you shouldn't do these drugs. same goes for dmt, given that its an incredibly powerful, mind-altering drug. the fact that you're anxious about it now suggests to me that you shouldn't take it. there is no such thing as a "predictable" trip. you can envision how it will go after you've gained some experience in psychedelics but even then, you never know what's gonna happen or which hidden parts of your psyche are gonna come. part of the fun is the complete change in the way you see and understand the world. as the saying goes: "expect nothing but be prepared for everything." if you want something predictable, psychedelics aren't the way. the beauty is in the fact that it completely distorts your outlook and if you have a preference for comfort and predictability, you will probably be setting yourself up for a bad experience. forget about llizard people, that isn't even the half of it lol!

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Its not dmt itself that causes people to believe insane shit, weird people are just drawn to dmt because of the culture surrounding it. It's worth checking out once, that's for sure.

[Lily Briscoe]

I've never smoked the actual crystals, but I've done ayahuasca six or seven times. I've had one 'bad trip' from it (the first time, unsurprisingly), but haven't had any "lasting psychological effects". A lot of people who get really into it are total douchebags who think they're gurus or something, though (in my experience). I think this:


Its not dmt itself that causes people to believe insane shit, weird people are just drawn to dmt because of the culture surrounding it.

...is probably true.

[Turinbaar]

DMT is similar to psilocybin, but it has a shortened effect, though quite intense. Where a mushroom trip can last hours, dmt lasts roughly 45 minutes, the first ten minutes being most vivid.

It's long term effects depends on their application. I have seen posts of yours on drugs that suggest you've been doing it wrong, and only understand their effects on psychology as a measure of damage. Idiots who talk of lizard people undoubtedly harbored these illusions beforehand, though mind you there is such a thing as too much. I once watched a group of highschoolers in Golden Gate park each take sheets of 50 hits of acid, and I am certain they did something horrible to themselves.

Drugs have long been referenced in symbology as a key to the gateway into the unconscious. They stir the world of dreams and memory to the surface, and allow one to place ones own history, anxiety and illusions into the proper context of one's life. They can be used as a tool of personal introspection with the proper set up of symbolic language - the forrest into which one explores the world and oneself, the companion (either the gate keeper or the queen) with which to find love or adventure, and the castle to where Odysseus makes his return.

[Ele'ill]

Yes, psychedelics can have lasting effects. Yes, setting can play a part in having a good trip but some folks have brain chemistry that does not mix well with psychedelics, and the consequences can go beyond simply 'having a bad trip'. You should search for hppd.

[Lord Testicles]

I did it once by accident it was quite surprising but I can't say I was adversely affected.

[Slavic]

Haven't taken DMt, but I have taken upwards of over a 100 psychedelic trips. Ranging from tryptamines, phenethylamines, dissociatives, etc.

I have never experienced long term physical and mental issues from this use. This is also including other non-psychedelic drug use.

I have only had short term issues with skin irritation, memory lose, and reduced mental capacity after taking heavy dosages of dissociates. But these effects slowly go away after a few days to a week.

Individually, its very rare for a single dose to produce any long lasting damage to your mind and body, notwithstanding Mari3Ls point. Some people are very sensitive while others are not. Being sensitive does not mean that you will be "damaged" it just means that your threshold is lower.

I don't know and won't bother to look up the forum rules but check out, erowid.org if you want information.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Has anyone ever tried it? Did it have any long lasting psychological effects?

I've smoked it and was tripping face out of nowhere. It hits you quick and leaves you quicker than like say acid but it was really intense. Bout the same risk wise as acid or mushrooms, just do research and make an informed choice based upon the facts and your own medical history. You should be fine :) have fun

[Red Economist]

A friend of mine had alot of experience with drugs and used weed to self-medicate for his ADHD. I think he was probably up all night during his teens and so got drawn into drugs and used ACID several times. He used DMT once and said he saw Aztec Symbols.
He did me a favor and told me not to use drugs as he said I had a 'nervous' personality that would react badly to it. He might as well have predicted my breakdown that happened a few months later (no drugs involved). I'm incredibly grateful to him for doing that (even though I was admittedly disappointed as I wanted to be like him as he was so 'cool'). So, it may not be the drug you need to think about, but what kind of experiences it's interacting with.

From what I've read, you're extremely intelligent and articulate Rafiq and probably want to know more about what goes on in your inner would as you have a searching mind, but you have a fanatical streak which suggests you're probably repressing something, so I'd offer my friends advice. I say this because I've had my own fanatical period during my breakdown as my unconscious conflicts came to the surface and so would not recommend it to anyone. throwing drugs in there would have been really dangerous. I can't be certain this is the same for you, but I suspect it might be.

If you're feeling anxious about using drugs because of what you think might be 'down there' in your subconscious; just let it go. I think Hunter S Thompson (author of fear and loathing in Las Vegas which my friend recommended) said that he could never get a drug that would give him the same natural high he got from writing and he was a heavy drug user.
Something my friend didn't learn was how to get these natural highs and so probably covered up a great deal of problems. He's now an arms dealer and we aren't friends as a result- and I can only think having that desire to seek out that new high had something to do with it and he's paying in ways I can't imagine.
I'd suggest meditation, self-reflection, some philosophy and some really good music as an alternative. It's not that you shouldn't know yourself better, but that it might be wiser to take a slower approach than using a psychedelic drug if there is something in your subconscious that makes you feel uneasy. Our demons are fallen angels, but we have to find out why we let them fall in the first place.

[Red Economist]

I want to say I didn't mean to take my personal problems out on someone else; so my apologies to Rafiq. my head's spinning with crap at the moment.

[Slavic]

It's not that you shouldn't know yourself better, but that it might be wiser to take a slower approach than using a psychedelic drug if there is something in your subconscious that makes you feel uneasy. Our demons are fallen angels, but we have to find out why we let them fall in the first place.

No better way to find out the hidden horrors of your subconscious then jumping into the abyss face first screaming.

You will have a bad trip; eventually it happens to everyone its just something that you have to deal with.

Best thing to remember is that,
1. I have taken a psychoactive substance
2. I have taken a psychoactive substance at time T
3. I should come down from the psychoactive substance at time T +6-8

Easiest way to ease the bad trip. That is off course you haven't already gotten stuck in some loop where you can't read the time, OR even worse that the time is actively out to get you and is lieing to you, now that shit is the worse.

Bad or good, it is definitely something you can't experience from walking in the park.

This isn't directed at anyone in particular.

[Lily Briscoe]

"x amount of hours left" is pretty meaningless/incomprehensible when you're tripping balls IME.

[Lily Briscoe]

Especially if you think you're dead or whatever.

[Slavic]

"x amount of hours left" is pretty meaningless/incomprehensible when you're tripping balls IME.

Well that's kinds of the point. Time left in the trip is a solid concert fact that can help ground you if you feel yourself slipping into a downward spiral. Obviously if you are full blown catatonic or manic state, there is nothing that can bring you out.

This is more so for when you feel yourself slipping, almost like a life raft if you just fell off the boat but are not drowning yet.

[Red Economist]

No better way to find out the hidden horrors of your subconscious then jumping into the abyss face first screaming.said like a pro. ;)

[Lily Briscoe]

Well that's kinds of the point. Time left in the trip is a solid concert fact that can help ground you if you feel yourself slipping into a downward spiral. Obviously if you are full blown catatonic or manic state, there is nothing that can bring you out.

This is more so for when you feel yourself slipping, almost like a life raft if you just fell off the boat but are not drowning yet.

I don't know, I guess stuff effects different people differently, but I can't think of a single 'bad trip' I've had where trying to make sense of time has been anything other than a source of more distress. The only consistent way I've seen to stop having a bad trip is actually to stop trying to 'ground yourself' in something 'concrete'/quit trying to fight it.

[Skyhilist]

If you think that you'd like to use DMT, I suggest easing into it by taking other more gentle psychedelics first so you get a feel for that type of drugs and wont freak out as much (although I guarantee DMT will still be a total mindfuck). I did this and it worked for me. Try taking 400-500mg of mescaline first if you can get ahold of it, and then take maybe a low dose of acid, and then a moderate, and then a high dose. After this, and once you're familiar and more comfortable with psychedelics, then take DMT, but only if you have no serious anxiety about it or don't mind being scared shitless for 20 minutes. It'll likely be an insightful experience either way.

[Slavic]

said like a pro. ;)

Honestly sometimes a bad trip is like going through a haunted house.

Scary going in, fun coming out.

[Rafiq]

Honestly sometimes a bad trip is like going through a haunted house.

Scary going in, fun coming out.

(I've had one bad trip, by the way out of the two psychedelic experiences I've had)

The problem is that fear did not factor in. There was no fear, there was nothing scary about it. It felt like all the darkness of the world, and I mean darkness was shown to reign supreme indefinitely. That all acts against it are in vain. It wasn't fear, it was utter despair. The absence of fear was not a signification of bravery. Rather I had become so numb to everything that I could fear nothing, that it's all just futile, that there is nothing worth anything in the whole world that I could fear and anything that could potentially happen to me could never be worse than the hell that consumed me, that I gazed upon powerlessly.

There are many things going in, and coming out can be described as. But fun was not one of them.

So why would I want to do DMT, after all of that? Because I'm curious. I want to know if It would be any different - if anything in my mind has changed. I'm just worried about long lasting effects, things like HPPD or the dulling of the mind.

[Ele'ill]

after salvia I had a lasting effect similar to the feeling you described above during your trip, it wasn't anxiety as I had experienced it before, it was just a type of fear and worry and despair bordering a miserable kind of terror and it lasted a considerable amount of time, it probably was a spike in mental health issues that I already had and if I could go back I never would have fucked with psychedelics or even pot, also had hppd and still do but it has either gone away or I have become used to living with it because it no longer actively bothers me

I have read a few times that people with anxiety issues are much more likely to develop hppd or adverse long lasting effects from psychedelics but I don't know the specific medical science behind why

[Slavic]

@Rafiq Lasting effects from psychedelic drugs are extremly rare, but as Mari3L has stated in this thread and others, those with or prone to mental illnesses have a significant increased probability of developing disorders such as HPPD as opposed to those with no mental illness or susceptibility.

That being said, no two trips are ever the same, and please do not try to rationalize what it is that you are experiencing while you are experiencing it. You are only going to lead yourself down a hole or turn into Leary, happened to me for 2 years.

Me referring to bad trips as another sort of "fun". Let me rephrase this as, it is a very unique temporary experience that you will never experience other wise. So it is more interesting then fun.

But I understand your response to the "fear" or lack there of, my haunted house metaphor was just fast and dirty. I have never felt fear, most of my bad trips tend to be highly specific and focused on some basic truth that I have always known being wrong. Such as the progression of time for example.

Despair does play in nicely with bad trips because typically your sense of "self" is either already obliterated or at least severely diminished. So there is no "you" to be fearful for. Its usually just a grand all encompassing understanding of the current reality in its absolute state which causes a reaction of despair as you realize that THIS is reality and that is all THERE is.

I've only had one "Authoritarian" bent bad trip, most of mine have either been organic; my biomass merging with my surroundings and tearing at the seams as I struggle, or metaphysical; delusions obtained from my perceived godhead which develop into downward spirals of conspiracies and plots against myself and the surroundings.

The first one is physically frightening, the second one borders on mental insanity.



EDIT
Also DMT is very fast acting and short lived. Any bad trip that could occur would literally be over in a matter of minutes. Its basically a rocket ship to the psychedelic plateau. You blast off, hit space, putz around for a little bit, then crash land. As opposed to most other psychedelics which can last 6-8 hours, or 24 if you can find the good?bad? stuff like Bromo. So your build up is slower but your plateau and come down is also longer which can extend and intensify any bad trip. Nothing is more pathetic than seeing your delisions built of from your bad trip becoming slowly undone during your comedown until your wondering there wondering why the fuck you thought those things.