Is Communism possible?

[Andrew443]

Hi i am new to this site and have a question,Is true communism ever possible? I don't know if communism can ever be achieved because every time its been attempted its only resulted in state capitalism as Business is still done just by the state instead of individuals so the very thing that is trying to be abolished is just reborn in another form Thoughts??

[bropasaran]

The only time that communism has been attempted it worked great actually. Read about the Anarchist Spain.

[Blake's Baby]

It's true that we've never gone beyond capitalist society to communist society. Every time the working class has attempted to do such a thing, it has been crushed by the counter-revolution. Whether that counter-revolution came from the forces of the capitalist government (eg the Thiers government crushing the Paris Commune in 1871) or what was supposed to be the working class's own 'workers' state' (the Bolsheviks after the revolution in Russia) we have decidedly not emerged into a communist world.

But how could Russia, or Paris, have become communist societies on their own? How could Spain for that matter? We're not national socialists. There is no road to a communist society in a single country. Unless the revolution destroys capitalism (which is a worldwide system) then what is left is a 'revolutionary state' that must somehow adapt to a capitalist world.

Is it impossible? I don't think so. Is it difficult? Of course.

[bropasaran]

But how could Russia, or Paris, have become communist societies on their own? How could Spain for that matter? We're not national socialists. There is no road to a communist society in a single country. Unless the revolution destroys capitalism (which is a worldwide system) then what is left is a 'revolutionary state' that must somehow adapt to a capitalist world.
There are no determinants of scope built into definitions of general terms like "communism" or "socialism". There can exist a communist country or region, or a communist municipality. Of course, communists don't advocate establishment of a few communist regions or municipalities, but advocate a communist economy everywhere, but those two specifications ("entire economy", and "everywhere") are not encompassed in the term "communism" per se, and the term can be used without them. To assume that if capitalism is not abolished everywhere it is not abolished anywhere is the false dichotomy fallacy (and also leads us to the sorities paradox of capitalism being impossible to abolish unless we abolish it simultaneously accross the entire globe in a single second).

[consuming negativity]

No. Communism is a farce. The One True political position is that of the laissez-faire capitalist voluntarists, as told by Hayek and Mises.

:rolleyes:

But really, the proletariat are people like everybody else. If the aristocratic and bourgeois classes can run a society, why not us? Exactly how every single layer of everything will fall into place will never be known, because we aren't fortune tellers. Communism is the idea that the proletariat will, because of capitalism, seize the means of production. Everything else will seem more obvious when we're actually faced with the problem and have all of the relevant information and such. It isn't like we're not going to have anymore academics or specialists - we're the workers. We know how to do everything already. What are they even needed for? To own things? Wow, that's a lot of work. I think I'm gonna go have a few martinis by the large pile of money sitting in my swimming pool - time for a break.

[Andrew443]

I agree I don't think you should have to work for minimum wage for a corporation ran by a man who will make more money than I will in a lifetime while me my wife and children cant even eat I believe that food health care and housing is a right not a privilege don't get me wrong here but look at China its socialist but not really socialist because the state does business with private companies and look at the revolutions that have occurred and their results like I said earlier China they are socialist but they engage in some private enterprise and the USSR did similar things but the state was like one large corporation true communism may never be achieved I mean it's not impossible just very difficult oh and excuse my grammar I'm typing on a phone