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Supreme Regime
23rd December 2001, 21:42
all my friends and family think capitalism is great. They see me as peculiar for having anti-capitalist views. Has anyone got any ideas on how to convince them that my views are justified?

Moskitto
23rd December 2001, 21:51
It's hopeless, the thing is, they don't ever present their case.

I try giving them statistics about how bad the world is for poor people but they never listen.

I think part of the problem is that people think anti-capitalism=Stalin. Maybe there needs to be famous socialists then we can start poster campaigns to tell people about their socialist views to get them away from that image of Stalin.

El Commandante
23rd December 2001, 21:55
Maybe take them all to Bangladesh and show them a sweat shop and tell them that this is the fuel that capitalism runs on.

A bit pricey but it would have the desired effect.

Moskitto
23rd December 2001, 21:57
That wouldn't work on one of them, he can't accept that a country that's poor can be part of capitalism.

Supreme Regime
23rd December 2001, 22:01
At least when im here i know im not the only one with these views

kingbee
23rd December 2001, 22:07
no one will listen , i'm afraid to say. no one will, because they will think your an awful communist. they'll never learn. the only way is to put powerful images. and i agree with distancing from stalin- and pol pot

JOSELUIS
23rd December 2001, 23:38
I will make this short and simple: Show the ignorant bastard a slow motion video clip of a commercial airliner flying into a skyscraper and narrate as the jetplane is creeping slowly and slowly into the building; "THIS-IS-WHAT-HAPPENS-WHEN-CAPITALIST-SCUMBAGS-OVERSTEP-THEIR-BOUNDS-AND-SOME-FINALLY-SAYS-ENOUGH!

Freiheit
23rd December 2001, 23:50
there are statistics that show that capitalism sucks.
but all this poor ppl are thousands of kilometers away.
you need prove that is right before the door.

talk about the media and advertising. propaganda, falsification, manipulation. the power of the money.
the class struggle. show how rich some ppl are, show
them that many many ppl work hard, but only a few are rich.

Kez
24th December 2001, 15:59
Make them interested,
On the news mutter shit to yourself, so they think your so hardline anti-cap, then they will talk to you, then you talk and convince them.
Also if reasoning fails, i dunno

Moskitto, stop fucking on about Stalin being the devil,
People dont even think that Stalion has anything to do with anticap
For the ignorant public anti-cap = dirty anarchists
fucking idiots

comrade kamo

Moskitto
24th December 2001, 18:08
Moskitto, stop fucking on about Stalin being the devil,
People dont even think that Stalion has anything to do with anticap
For the ignorant public anti-cap = dirty anarchists
fucking idiots

comrade kamo

That's a good point, But.

I said I was a communist not an anti-capitalist and they implicate me in the deaths of 50 million people (Stalin) not someone who if they had come to power could have stopped WW2 (Rosa Luxemburg.)

flames of the flag
24th December 2001, 18:09
you guys should check out www.usff.com
this site has lots of great qoutes but of those the one i want you to see is this:"
Of all the contrivances for cheating
the working classes of mankind
perhaps none is so effective as
that which deludes them
with paper money."
Daniel Webster

Freiheit
24th December 2001, 22:56
stalin was just the 'comrade' of the devil.

peaccenicked
27th December 2001, 02:54
We don't need to show too much. A people unhappy wont need our propaganda .Our job is to focus existing anger and expose lies.
This is how horrible it can get
http://emperors-clothes.com/images/north-int.htm


(Edited by peaccenicked at 9:05 pm on Dec. 27, 2001)

Kez
27th December 2001, 10:52
Stalin didnt kill 50 million people, thats what the ultra-right have wrote, its something like 20 million, which is still an incredibly high amount, but not 50 million,

Most of the deaths were famines were unstoppable because of how the capitalists had screwed the nation up so much before the communist take-over.

comrade kamo

Conghaileach
27th December 2001, 16:23
Albert Einstein was a socialist. I have a quote from him about America...

"I came to America because of the great, great freedom which I heard existed in this country. I made a mistake in selecting America as a land of freedom, a mistake I cannot repair in the balance of my lifetime."

Not exactly a blunt statement of anti-capitalism, but you can get the drift.