That One Persisting Conspiracy Theory

[Supposed Mocha]

Probably an almost stupid topic, but it got my curiosity and no I'm being entirely serious about it too. Really.

I've heard a lot from asking different people of different religious and political backgrounds, almost all of them and some have theories of how if they don't win that the other side will turn the world to some sorta dystopia known as "The New World Order"

But what that is and what the supposed "Illuminati" is always varies as well, I've heard a lot about the whole Fortunate 500 thing being in control of a lot and that is sorta true and them all being together to make decisions that benefit them does seem like a likely concept but then people bring things in like aliens and Jews and whatever other strange idea they can think of. Leftists seem to think corporate Fascist, while Rightists seem to say it's social justice land... or something. It's hard to follow.

I guess the question is, do you think it really exists? What do you think about such believers in the theory? If so, what is this Order and who is running it?

[flaming bolshevik]

I think it's possible that it exists, just like it's possible Bigfoot exists. If the illuminati does exist then it doesn't exist as a group of people in robes hiding in a cave sort of thing but more as a corporation or group of corporations. As for believers, idk what to think of them.
Again my personal opinion.

[tuwix]

The conspiracy theories aren't very popular among revolutionary leftist but for the most of mass media the evident idea for us that bourgeoisie rules the world is the conspiracy theory too...

But I thin this is the key to world understanding. The bourgeoisie indeed rules the world and details about how it is organized is pretty much irrelevant. I can't deny nor I don't want to argue against gossips about role of so-called "Iluminati", free masons lodges, the Bildelberg group, etc. because it's still irrelevant. The problem of capitalism is the role of its highest social class who are exploiting the majority of this planet. And how that class organizes internally is still irrelevant for me at least.

[consuming negativity]

Conspiracy theories have nothing to do with communism. They're bullshit and in some cases, racist bullshit. No thanks.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Most descriptions I've read of what this supposed "New World Order" wants to achieve are hardly deserving of the paranoid lunacy that often accompanies them.

Oh noes, the NWO wants a one world government and a globally united humanity? Wait, why is that a bad thing again?

[adipocere]

I think of it as the powerless mystifying what is essentially an entrenched, untouchable, violent and arrogant mafia. Attaching supernatural powers to the rich and powerful is nothing really new - see religion - and attaching supernatural evil to assholes is also not terribly unusual. However people who bang on about reptiles and aliens are way over represented in discussion and media - invariably they are never present when their effigies are being burned on the alter of convention. I think pop culture borrows from Icke when it wants to avoid imagining a different world.

But back to new world order - it's not a concept I care much for, its myopic and ethnocentric. It seems to preclude that there was a point (9/11 or JFK depending on who you ask) at which some essential virtue in the US was lost or destroyed - more likely it was the point at which these peoples perception of the world began to change. That Bush senior spoke of "a new world order" seems like little more than the megalomania of a crime lord. All he, his family and villainous associates ever had to offer the world was war and misery, nothing really new about that.

[Ocean Seal]

Don't be afraid of a mythical new world order, when the current world order is incredibly shit. It kills people all the time, and lets people starve, it brought about Hitler, and both world wars fundamentally it can't really get all that much worse.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

Probably an almost stupid topic, but it got my curiosity and no I'm being entirely serious about it too. Really.

I've heard a lot from asking different people of different religious and political backgrounds, almost all of them and some have theories of how if they don't win that the other side will turn the world to some sorta dystopia known as "The New World Order"

But what that is and what the supposed "Illuminati" is always varies as well, I've heard a lot about the whole Fortunate 500 thing being in control of a lot and that is sorta true and them all being together to make decisions that benefit them does seem like a likely concept but then people bring things in like aliens and Jews and whatever other strange idea they can think of. Leftists seem to think corporate Fascist, while Rightists seem to say it's social justice land... or something. It's hard to follow.

I guess the question is, do you think it really exists? What do you think about such believers in the theory? If so, what is this Order and who is running it?

Conspiracy theories appeal to people who recognise there is something deeply wrong with the present society, but are unable to recognise the structural nature of the problem, and the fact that all private ownership is inimical to the workers and the oppressed, from the finance oligarchies and imperialist trusts to the Ma-and-Pa shop at the corner of the street. The politics of these people is generally populist - they want a society of small businessmen and local isolation. Most of these people are racist in one form or another - anti-Semitic, anti-Chinese and so on.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

The concept itself is fully entreched in reactionary politics. As far as I know the concept of the illuminati stems from an actual secret society called the Bavarian Illuminati that advocated for women's suffrage and some other progressive goals in the late 1700s. After they were crushed, they became kind of a political boogeyman that reactionaries would drag out to mystify popular events, like the French revolution. It's much easier to blame a small group conspiring against you and tricking your subjects into rebellion than it is to accept that all those people god gave you rights over really do just want to kill you because you're a horrible bastard.

[Sasha]

To the OP, here is an essential article on the illuminati and how to defeat them: http://www.revleft.com/vb/overthrow-illuminati-t188155/index.html?t=188155

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

"New world order" is a very old slogan for when a politician want to make something sound big and imposing, as if it is a radical change. In the minds of modern conspiracy theoreticians, this becomes a sinister cabal. It's remarkable, their ability to warp something small and insignificant, like the old half-forgotten Agenda 21 proposals for countering climate change in the early 1990's, now revived by batty conservatives.

[Thirsty Crow]

I guess the question is, do you think it really exists? What do you think about such believers in the theory? If so, what is this Order and who is running it?It doesn't exist. Nothing like those "one-big-bad-center-of-all-power" types ramble about has no grounding in the dynamics of power in capitalism.

The source of the Illuminati thing is the French reactionary wave following the Revolution; I think the same hold for Masonic variants. The Illuminati were a Bavarian group of quite radical, from what I remember reading about em, bourgeois political thinkers who organized as a secret brotherhood - much the same like the Bolshevik party was adapted to conditions of severe repression. The vow of secrecy and pledge of obedience to superiors is practically the same as some aspects of Bolshevik organizing under those conditions. The difference being the former had some kind of a religious and ritual content as well, but more along the lines of deism and Enlightenment hijacking some ritual practices, if I remember correctly. All in all they were a radical group, even standing for some form of gender equality (for instance advocating the education of women and holding them as intellectual peers) so no wonder, they practically set themselves up for target status when it comes to reactionary currents.

I agree with 870 about these stories appealing to folks that do recognize that something is indeed rotten, but the appeal then rests on lack of practiced reasoning about the world and instead embraces the simplistic notion of the Great Evil, the shadow cabal who runs the world. I believe it is a form of "just world" fallacy, but a specific kind - that which for instance cannot take into account that the very "normal" functioning of our society leads to adverse consequences and instead relies on this hidden group who purposefully fabricate conflict and disaster (they love their generalization of false flag tactics to the status of an overwhelming, grand strategy).

[Supposed Mocha]

The conspiracy theories aren't very popular among revolutionary leftist but for the most of mass media the evident idea for us that bourgeoisie rules the world is the conspiracy theory too...

But I thin this is the key to world understanding. The bourgeoisie indeed rules the world and details about how it is organized is pretty much irrelevant. I can't deny nor I don't want to argue against gossips about role of so-called "Iluminati", free masons lodges, the Bildelberg group, etc. because it's still irrelevant. The problem of capitalism is the role of its highest social class who are exploiting the majority of this planet. And how that class organizes internally is still irrelevant for me at least.

I have noticed that, seems sorta attributed to the right more than the Left but still occurs from my experience in the matter.

Fair enough, it is pretty obvious with our "news" channels isn't it?

[Supposed Mocha]

I think it's possible that it exists, just like it's possible Bigfoot exists. If the illuminati does exist then it doesn't exist as a group of people in robes hiding in a cave sort of thing but more as a corporation or group of corporations. As for believers, idk what to think of them.
Again my personal opinion.

But what if Bigfoot is actually a bourgeois capitalist and part of the Illuminati?

[Supposed Mocha]

"New world order" is a very old slogan for when a politician want to make something sound big and imposing, as if it is a radical change. In the minds of modern conspiracy theoreticians, this becomes a sinister cabal. It's remarkable, their ability to warp something small and insignificant, like the old half-forgotten Agenda 21 proposals for countering climate change in the early 1990's, now revived by batty conservatives.

I honest to gods thought that was just a crazy idea invented by Glenn Beck, I mean I took a gander through the first couple chapters and it seemed closer to pure delusions than anything that could ever correlate to reality.

[Dagoth Ur]

Guys we're the New World Order.

[Orange Juche]

If so, what is this Order and who is running it?

IT'S THE nWo BRAH, AND HOLLYWOOD HOGAN IS LEADING US INTO THE NEW WORLD WITH SCOTT HALL AND KEVIN NASH!

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

I don't see how a one world government is so unthinkable. I think it could happen anyway. I don't very well see why not. I also don't see what aliens and contact of the first kind have to so with this. But NWO as in OWG is totally possible.

[Brandon's Impotent Rage]

IT'S THE nWo BRAH, AND HOLLYWOOD HOGAN IS LEADING US INTO THE NEW WORLD WITH SCOTT HALL AND KEVIN NASH!

nWo 4 LIFE!!!! \nn/

*cue obnoxious wah-wah guitar*

....But seriously, the whole NWO/Illuminati stuff is indeed complete and total bullshit. If such a thing did exist, do you REALLY believe that they'd be able to keep secret for this long?

[Zoroaster]

nWo 4 LIFE!!!! \nn/

*cue obnoxious wah-wah guitar*

....But seriously, the whole NWO/Illuminati stuff is indeed complete and total bullshit. If such a thing did exist, do you REALLY believe that they'd be able to keep secret for this long?

Nah man, those lizards have special powers, man. Go to Lyndon LaRouche, he knows the truth, brother!

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I don't see how a one world government is so unthinkable. I think it could happen anyway. I don't very well see why not. I also don't see what aliens and contact of the first kind have to so with this. But NWO as in OWG is totally possible.

It's not that the conspiraloons think that a one-world-government is impossible, rather the fear of that possibility coming true is what animates them.

Typically they seem to think that the UN is to be the mechanism for imposing the New World Order, despite the fact that the UN has no military, political or economic force remotely comparable to that of the US.

[Rurkel]

Outside the USA, people who talk about OWG are usually quite anti-American, and their version of this theory insists that it's the USA who will impose the NWO. The "all-powerful UN" and "victimized US" bits of Birchite crapola find it hard to spread abroad.