DPRK attempts to have a two nation united Korea.

[Comrade Jacob]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=babdxxiFvZM

Fairly interesting.

[KurtFF8]

Hasn't the DPRK called for reunification for decades now?

[Sheepy]

Wasn't this Kim Il-Sung's original goal in the first place? Hardly really anything new and it just sounds like an impossible pipe dream.

[DOOM]

South Korea needs to take over North Korea, just sayin. However, I don't believe that South Korea has any interest in such an unstable and fucked up region as NK

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

South Korea needs to take over North Korea, just sayin. However, I don't believe that South Korea has any interest in such an unstable and fucked up region as NK

Ah yes, South Korea should bomb and slaughter the North. Because they have a casus belli damn it and you can't let that go to waste!

[Skyhilist]

Lol DPRK is never going to get what they want, they've got no leverage in international affairs.

[Црвена]

And South Korea are totally going to say yes. :sarcasm:

[KurtFF8]

South Korea needs to take over North Korea

Why?

[Danjo]

Why?



I wouldn't say the south needs to take over necessarily, but, something needs be done on unification. The DPRK won't last forever as it currently operates, due to trade sanctions and a lack of national output to generate economic growth. It's not a matter of if the North fails, but when. And when it does, there will be a bit of chaos between China, the US, and the South, as they bicker over who takes the land.

Plus, there's a reason so many North Koreans risk everything to cross the border into China. I've done a little bit of work with Liberty in North Korea (LiNK) which helps North Korea refugees settle in SK and the US. Their stories aren't exactly heartwarming. Electricity outages, lack of free movement, lack of food, lack of general political rights. And of course, if you leave NK and get repatriated by China, your life, and your families, is essentially over.

So letting NK fail and have SK try and bring them into a unified would do a lot of good. The only other option might be to have China take it, but that seems unfair to the Korean people who has divided for some 60 years.


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[adipocere12]

South Korea needs to take over North Korea, just sayin. However, I don't believe that South Korea has any interest in such an unstable and fucked up region as NK


It's that kind of talk that makes the DPRK what it is today.

[consuming negativity]

It's that kind of talk that makes the DPRK what it is today.

...what?

No, I don't think chatter on Revleft has anything to do with the DPRK.

[Ali Ali Oxen Free]

Does South Korea even want to unify with North Korea?

If the two states were to merge then there would not doubt be a mass migration of North Koreans to the urban centers of the South. I don't think the wealthier South Koreans would welcome the poorer North Koreans in their cities or want to use their wealth to help the North. It just seems like the South is keeping unification on the table because it's the status quo and the allies of South Korea want it more.

[adipocere12]

I was talking generally. The reason the DPRK is so authoritarian is because they're constantly under attack. The more people talk about it being "taken over" the worse it will become.

[Creative Destruction]

I was talking generally. The reason the DPRK is so authoritarian is because they're constantly under attack. The more people talk about it being "taken over" the worse it will become.

No, the DPRK is so authoritarian because they are run by an insane monarchy.

[Atsumari]

I was talking generally. The reason the DPRK is so authoritarian is because they're constantly under attack. The more people talk about it being "taken over" the worse it will become.
North Korea and their apologists really should stop flattering when they talk of being invaded. There are lots of people in the South who do not want to unify with the North because once they do, they have to carry the dead weight of idiotic economic policy for years to come.

[adipocere12]

No, the DPRK is so authoritarian because they are run by an insane monarchy.


And why do you think that is? They tell their people the world is waiting for a chance to blow them to hell and they're the only thing that stands in their way. The sad fact is they're probably right.

[Creative Destruction]

And why do you think that is? They tell their people the world is waiting for a chance to blow them to hell and they're the only thing that stands in their way. The sad fact is they're probably right.

There is really absolutely no threat of anyone invading or blowing away North Korea. There's probably more of a threat of another al Qaeda attack on the United States (re: very little chance) than the anyone bombing North Korea. No one actually gives a shit about North Korea and their stupid bottle rockets. China is a nice huge wall protecting them. So, no, they wouldn't be right.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

If everyone in NK could just like I dunno, turn their shirts inside out and instantly have the same rights and standard of living as a SK citizen has now, then yeah that probably would be an improvement. But there's no way that would happen. Even ignoring the inevitable armed conflict, the entire region would be primed to become a haven for human and drug trafficking. You know, more so than it already is. Then imagine what foreign capital would do to the land itself, again more so than it already has. It's a nightmarescape that I want to write a book about but hope never becomes a reality.

[Khalid]

South Korea needs to take over North Korea, just sayin. However, I don't believe that South Korea has any interest in such an unstable and fucked up region as NK

Ehh... what? You must be seriously fucked up in the head if you are calling for fascist U.S. puppet regime to take over North Korea.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

South Korea needs to take over North Korea, just sayin. However, I don't believe that South Korea has any interest in such an unstable and fucked up region as NK

Well at least you're consistent.

[Alexios]

Ehh... what? You must be seriously fucked up in the head if you are calling for fascist U.S. puppet regime to take over North Korea.
South Korea is fascist now? And I thought I'd heard it all...

[Supposed Mocha]

That peninsula will never ever be united again except through a bloodbath, I doubt even they themselves would ever commit to it. South Korea seizes the North? There will be a huge insurgency and vice versa for North taking the South.

Unless Japan suddenly goes back to it's Imperial philosophy or goes Fascist they'll see no reason to work together in my analysis of the situation. Or I guess Russia gets real crazy and invades Manchuria for some reason?

[Khalid]

South Korea is fascist now? And I thought I'd heard it all...

Pretty much. The puppet regime in the occupied South Korea is ruled with strictly fascist laws that outlaw all left-wing and pro-North Korean activity.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

South Korea needs to take over North Korea, just sayin. However, I don't believe that South Korea has any interest in such an unstable and fucked up region as NK

Yes, the capitalist shithole which apparently has a thing for blackface and inferior kimchi recipes needs to invade glorious Best Korea, which is a utopia that I in all seriousness plan to defect too eventually, with it's superior cartoons and ceremonies and such.

Wasdamattawityou?!

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[DOOM]

Ah yes, South Korea should bomb and slaughter the North. Because they have a casus belli damn it and you can't let that go to waste!


Why?
Oh god I should've clarified this; I didn't mean this to happen by war. I was talking more about the ideology that should win, take over in the DPRK. Liberalism is absolutely preferable to Juche.

It's that kind of talk that makes the DPRK what it is today.


Ehh... what? You must be seriously fucked up in the head if you are calling for fascist U.S. puppet regime to take over North Korea.

what the fuck


Well at least you're consistent.

Trying my best


Yes, the capitalist shithole which apparently has a thing for blackface and inferior kimchi recipes needs to invade glorious Best Korea, which is a utopia that I in all seriousness plan to defect too eventually, with it's superior cartoons and ceremonies and such.

Wasdamattawityou?!

^probably my best NY accent that I could never do in person, appreciate this, you're welcome :)

<3

[Sheepy]

I'm not going to pretend that I know what the solution is, nor predict what the future has in store but I will say this:

The idea that the best possible way to end pain and suffering in the DPRK is to have the ROK launch a bloody military invasion to reappropriate the North has to be the most stupid, reactionary idea I could've ever heard from any self proclaimed leftists. People would die, infrastructure would be damaged, international politics would take a turn for the worst, and the Unified Korea would have a large socio-economical problem on their hands that they wouldn't be able to handle, causing people on both sides to dive even deeper in poverty then they already are.

Like it or not, at best, the only people that have any power for change are the North Koreans themselves. I don't know how they would or what would happen afterwards, but that's really all there can be done for now.

[Raskolnikov]

South Korea is fascist now? And I thought I'd heard it all...

It's been a military dictatorship for decades prior to the 90s, hell you can say prior to the 90s there was no mistake that it was anything but a dictatorship.

Now? Well you have a government that bans a party and imprison(ed?) members of that party for the sole reasoning that they may revolt against the South Korean government if there was a war.


Liberalism is absolutely preferable to Juche.

So Capitalism is absolutely preferable to a state that, while incredibly flawed and complex due to the situation of North Korea, and getting more complex when the Socialist Bloc fell and North Korea was isolated, managed to half infant mortality rates, have better living expectancies than another 'liberal' state (India), promote and advance women and so on?


I mean say what you want about Juche, have whatever opinion you want about it. But you're literally promoting that Capitalism is better for the North Koreans, yet at the same time you oppose Capitalism? Promote Capitalism to end Capitalism?

Plus we've kinda seen what South Korea and Capitalism can do to it's people. Massacres of students.

[Psycho P and the Freight Train]

So, in this thread we have a pretty interesting thing going on.

In one corner, we have DPRK apologists. Some people just cannot resist defending them just to be edgy. Their propaganda is so incredibly lame and absurd, that even people in North Korea don't believe it, yet dumb so-called "leftists" from the West somehow fall for it? Damn, that is just absolutely mind blowing, but alright.

And then in the other corner, we have some reactionary drivel about how liberalism and the South should just come in and save the North. It's phenomenal that you think that just because North Korea is a shit hole, that means you must root for the South. No, they are both bad. Of course I'd rather live in South Korea than North Korea. What kind of idiot wouldn't? I'd rather eat than starve. But seriously, you don't have to choose sides, you know.

[The Red Star Rising]

Unification would be about the worst scenario for both North and South. The South because all the economic problems that came when East and West Germany united would be magnified tenfold while China has to absorb refugees who'd rather not live in the South. For the brainwashed people of the North it would mean a long, painful process of de-juchefication. More importantly to the leaders of North Korea, it means they'll be out of a job, more important because they've clearly long since given up any claim to caring for the people. I'm sure Kim Jong Un has never had a hard day in his life while his people live in literally the worst thing since sliced Hitler.

This is assuming a peaceful reunification. Under war, the South becomes a crater poisoned by chemical weapons and likely radiation, and the North follows suit when the retaliation strike comes in. Assuming southern aggression, more or less the same happens, both Koreas are united. United in ashes. Nobody wins anything of value besides a wasteland.

The costs of this would be unpalatable to not only the Koreans, but everyone connected to Korea economically and politically. Thus the Status quo continues. If even Bush didn't feel like footing the bill that would tally up by starting the second Korean war; then I don't think anyone in the west would. Kim Jong Un is a bit of a wild card but I'm hoping he sees the logic in not starting a war he's never going to win.

The best thing would be for someone to get rid of the Kims or hope for a Kim who isn't a paranoid monarch with all the statesman skills of a three year old given a copy of Victoria: An Empire under the Sun. Unification suits nobody. What needs to happen is a more competent set of leaders under the North. Or at the very least, a set who are less atrociously callous towards their own people. Given what Kim Jong Un has done, I wouldn't hold out much hope for him having a change of heart any time soon. And given his young age we can expect to see many more decades of him. I'm hopeful that somebody with a right head on in a sufficiently high place in North Korea can steer the country away from it's current path.

Because for all the badness of the above situations; an outright collapse of the DPRK would likely be even worse for it's long suffering people. I'm not willing to bet that the disintegration of the Juche regime is going to be anywhere near as soft as the disintegration of the USSR. Nor am I going to breathe easy when an army so indoctrinated with the cult of Kim has access to enough munitions to ensure that everyone else on the peninsula and beyond is going to have a very bad day if they decide to not go quietly into the night.

A better life for the people in North Korea seems like it may just have to come from the inside. The KPA has veto power over any external revolution I'm afraid. It's not going to win a war against any of it's neighbors, heck no. But it will make any victory so unpalatable it may as well be a tie anyway. I suppose the PRC has the best chance of forcing North Korea to be less shitty since it controls it's purse strings and I hope Xiping can pull on Jong Un's leash hard enough to make him shape up to some degree; but I'm not super hopeful.

tl;dr The situation on the Korean peninsula thoroughly sucks and isn't going to get better until the Kim dynasty either shapes up or is replaced.

[John Nada]

There are lots of people in the South who do not want to unify with the North because once they do, they have to carry the dead weight of idiotic economic policy for years to come.
There is really absolutely no threat of anyone invading or blowing away North Korea...No one actually gives a shit about North Korea and their stupid bottle rockets.It is thought that North Korea might have the world's largest rare earth element reserves in the world. Currently China is the top producer. This shit helped fuel the Congo War, in addition to the computer you're looking at. The US is still technically at war with North Korea.
In one corner, we have DPRK apologists. Some people just cannot resist defending them just to be edgy. Their propaganda is so incredibly lame and absurd, that even people in North Korea don't believe it, yet dumb so-called &quot;leftists&quot; from the West somehow fall for it? Damn, that is just absolutely mind blowing, but alright.Their is a lot of bullshit about DPRK, seeing as the US views NK as an enemy. I think that in an effort to counter American &quot;public relation campaign&quot; AKA psy-ops that start believing the NK's own propaganda. Which is probably also bullshit. That said
I've done a little bit of work with Liberty in North Korea (LiNK) which helps North Korea refugees settle in SK and the US.LINK was started by a defense contractor for the US military, Pegasus. Nice to know that when their weapons start killing Koreans, they'll be there to help.