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Skyhilist
9th July 2014, 02:33
Hi. I'm looking to do some polemical writing soon on the prohibition of psychedelics (specifically the classic psychedelics, i.e. LSD, mushrooms, peyote/mescaline, DMT), and why, by the numbers it is logically inconsistent that psychedelics are illegal while alcohol and tobacco are not.

Part of what I would like to do, perhaps in the form of an infographic/chart that goes along with the polemic I'm writing is compare the traditional psychedelics with alcohol and tobacco in a variety of categories.

These are some of the categories I'd been hoping to include:

-Estimated users of the drug (numbers wise)

-Average age of users

-Average rate of usage amongst users

-Average age that users started taking the drug

-Confirmed deaths from overdose (numbers wise)

-Confirmed deaths associated with the drug (numbers wise, includes things like lung cancer killing tobacco smokers)

-Suicides committed while on the drug (numbers wise)

-Fatal car crashes caused while on the drug (numbers wise)

-Leading cause of death associated with the drug (I want to include this, because for LSD, for example, the leading cause of death is people who think they're buying LSD but actually end up buying NBOMe or something like that and overdosing on it - this reinforces the point I want to make that less harm would be done if LSD were legal, because people would know what they were putting in their bodies and wouldn't overdose on NBOMe thinking it was LSD)

-Violent crime associated with the drug? (yes or no)

-Addiction potential (Options: High, moderate, low, non-existent - might create two subcategories, with one for physical addiction and one for mental addiction)

-Long term physical effects

-Reported long term mental effects (I want to include this, because most users of psychedelics report that they've had a positive long-term effect on them mentally, whereas this is not as true with alcohol, and definitely not tobacco)

-Medical potential

-Hangover?

-Legal status

Ok so I already know what to put on the chart for most of these categories, as I'm well read in scientific literature on the subject (and yes, I have a few experiences under my belt as well). What I am looking for really is hard data, namely on the first seven categories that I listed. If anyone has data on any of the four psychedelics I mentioned (LSD, mushrooms, peyote/mescaline, DMT) that pertains to the these first seven categories that I listed, I'd appreciate it. Ultimately I'm hoping to create an infographic that looks something along the lines of this, but that includes these 4 psychedelics instead of marijuana, is more detailed, and also contains tobacco: http://karmajello.com/postcont/2014/02/effects_alcohol_vs_marijuana.jpg

I understand that there may be a dearth of data on many of these things, but I'd like to be as scientific as I can and don't want to just rely on anecdotal evidence, which isn't statistically valid. If no one is able to provide me with solid data, I may start a poll somewhere for some of these things. I'm aware that there are some polls on the internet already for that, however I don't want to use them since they generally aren't randomized at all and aren't statistically valid.

Again, any help is appreciated!

Loony Le Fist
9th July 2014, 02:40
I have experienced drugs from a user perspective and understand them from a chemical perspective. It's sort of a hobby of mine to understand these things.

Have you looked into Dr. Carl Hart's research? He makes an extremely strong case that the problem with drugs has to do with social construction rather than the drugs themselves. He's been on a variety of programs including Democracy Now! (http://www.democracynow.org/2014/1/6/drugs_arent_the_problem_neuroscientist_carl) and most recently he was actually on MSNBC with Chris Hayes if you can find that interview. His data seems to strongly back up what lots of leftists have been saying for a long time.

I'm also available if you have any questions. PM me.

human strike
9th July 2014, 02:45
In Britain there is a man called Professor David Nutt who became famous after being fired as a government advisor (a voluntary role) in 2010 when he said that alcohol is more dangerous than heroin and horse riding is more dangerous than MDMA. You might find his research helpful or interesting.

Creative Destruction
9th July 2014, 03:19
www.erowid.org is a good repository for at least some of your information.

Skyhilist
9th July 2014, 04:39
Thanks everyone. I'll look into the two doctors that have been mentioned - and I've used erowid a lot in the past but for some reason hadn't searched it for data on this so I'll look there as well, thanks.

bcbm
9th July 2014, 04:45
there was a ot of research into the therapeutic benefits of lsd in the 50s that i think would be good for your study. i think even cary grant was on it.

http://bostworld.files.wordpress.com/2006/04/cary.jpg

human strike
9th July 2014, 12:49
there was a ot of research into the therapeutic benefits of lsd in the 50s that i think would be good for your study. i think even cary grant was on it.


This is completely off topic, but he also spied on Nazis in Hollywood for the US government.