Cannibalism

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

What do you guys think?

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

As long as everything's consensual, no problems.

I admit I've always been curious about the taste of human flesh.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

As long as everything's consensual, no problems.

I admit I've always been curious about the taste of human flesh.

I've also thought of like humans as alternative protein source to offset animal meat consumption by elective donations of the body post-mortem. Plus it would help put a stop to harmful funerary practices and be more eco-friendly.

[Ele'ill]

So you would be more of a 'social cannibalist' vs the more immediate and direct Insurrectionist Cannibalist

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

I've also thought of like humans as alternative protein source to offset animal meat consumption by elective donations of the body post-mortem. Plus it would help put a stop to harmful funerary practices and be more eco-friendly.

Well, ritual consumption of the corpse does figure in many funerary customs.

Let's just hope people die relatively fit and that consuming them doesn't cause a heart attack.


So you would be more of a 'social cannibalist' vs the more immediate and direct Insurrectionist Cannibalist

Obviously we need a transitional revolutionary d.o.t.p. where the consumption of human flesh will still take place in the confines of generalised commodity production.

[Rosa Partizan]

It's a bit the same as with incest for me: If it's truly consensual, it's fine, but still, it creeps me out.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

So you would be more of a 'social cannibalist' vs the more immediate and direct Insurrectionist Cannibalist

Well I mean that's a good point but then again assuming the latter I couldn't say so because then that'd blow my mortician gig. :(

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

It's a bit the same as with incest for me: If it's truly consensual, it's fine, but still, it creeps me out.

Why? It's natural and green and saves animals. How is that creepy?

[Rosa Partizan]

vox, it's just that I've been growing up with finding cannibalism gross, as everyone of us did. As a vegan (or at least almost), that animal saving argument is totally valid for me.

[Psycho P and the Freight Train]

Uhh, you all realize that cannibalism can make people develop a disease similar to mad cow disease right?

Plus it's sociopathic and mentally unhealthy.

*but seriously what does it taste like*

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

Uhh, you all realize that cannibalism can make people develop a disease similar to mad cow disease right?

So can eating cow.


Plus it's sociopathic and mentally unhealthy.

Why?

[Rosa Partizan]

are there animals that eat each other? anyone knows about that? I mean within their own species.

[DOOM]

So can eating cow.



Why?

to be fair, he's making a point. There's a whole lot of symbolism in eating a human. And isn't cannibalism sometimes connected to some mental disorders?

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

are there animals that eat each other? anyone knows about that? I mean within their own species.

Yes, there's literally thousands lol

[Psycho P and the Freight Train]

So can eating cow.



Why?

Yes, but mad cow disease formed from cows eating other cows, lol. And if a disease is showing up in primitive tribal areas where they practice cannibalism, I'm pretty sure it's kind of a terrible idea.


are there animals that eat each other? anyone knows about that? I mean within their own species.

Good question. Although mad cow disease formed from cows eating other cows. Not that cows are naturally cannibals, it was probably out of desperation from lack of food.

[Ele'ill]

hurry comrade, eat the policeman, the judge, the bosses..

[Lily Briscoe]

are there animals that eat each other? anyone knows about that? I mean within their own species.

Chimpanzees: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/564321/

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

to be fair, he's making a point. There's a whole lot of symbolism in eating a human. And isn't cannibalism sometimes connected to some mental disorders?

Homosexuality and being trans were once considered mental disorders.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Uhh, you all realize that cannibalism can make people develop a disease similar to mad cow disease right?

Plus it's sociopathic and mentally unhealthy.

*but seriously what does it taste like*

Prove all of this. This is just your own hypothesis. Where is your evidences?

[Ele'ill]

Maybe eating human flesh can cure diseases

[Psycho P and the Freight Train]

Prove all of this. This is just your own hypothesis. Where is your evidences?

Fine, I'll find sources :lol:

Give me a second, I don't remember where I read this, but I'll post some links.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Maybe eating human flesh can cure diseases

Sort of how like breast milk is healthier for infants

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

to be fair, he's making a point. There's a whole lot of symbolism in eating a human. And isn't cannibalism sometimes connected to some mental disorders?

A lot of things are "connected to mental disorders", though. From counting things to concerns over the political situation or one's appearance - not to mention that psychiatry isn't politically neutral. And why should we care about symbolism?


Yes, but mad cow disease formed from cows eating other cows, lol. And if a disease is showing up in primitive tribal areas where they practice cannibalism, I'm pretty sure it's kind of a terrible idea.

The point is that you can get diseases from a lot of things, if you aren't careful, but that's no reason to ban hamburgers, for example.

[Psycho P and the Freight Train]

http://healthmap.org/site/diseasedaily/article/spotlight-why-cannibalism-bad-you-72612

There we go, the disease is called kuru.

[Ele'ill]

Without the flesh of our own, we are nothing more than a fledgling species

[DOOM]

Homosexuality and being trans were once considered mental disorders.

Please don't do this, you're putting words in my mouth.
However, Armin Meiwes for example had some serious mental problems.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

In principal I think it's fine but I want to caution those who seem to think it will give them some sort of power or spiritual solace. Those things only come with time and the consumption of ones own flesh rather than someone else's.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

http://healthmap.org/site/diseasedaily/article/spotlight-why-cannibalism-bad-you-72612

There we go, the disease is called kuru.

Right, I knew that. The point is that it's up to the people concerned to calculate if they want to take that risk - and kuru only happens in specific cases.

[Psycho P and the Freight Train]

Right, I knew that. The point is that it's up to the people concerned to calculate if they want to take that risk - and kuru only happens in specific cases.

Well, considering the ramifications, and the fact that it is entirely unnecessary to eat other humans, it's completely asinine to say that cannibalism should be practiced under ANY circumstances.

Why would anyone other than a mentally ill sociopath eat another human? Unless of course there is NO other food available such as in North Korea or being in a plane crash high in the Andes mountains.

Tribes that practice it are none other than deplorable savages. I don't care that it's "their culture." They are savages and collective sociopaths because there is other food available. It is a bizarre and fucked up desire to demonstrate dominance.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

http://healthmap.org/site/diseasedaily/article/spotlight-why-cannibalism-bad-you-72612

There we go, the disease is called kuru.

Doesn't seem definitive and is premised upon one study of one tribe somewhere and conjecture.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Please don't do this, you're putting words in my mouth.
However, Armin Meiwes for example had some serious mental problems.

Yeah but severe schizophrenics eat PB&J all the time.

[Psycho P and the Freight Train]

Doesn't seem definitive and is premised upon one study of one tribe somewhere and conjecture.

Yep, that was one tribe in Papua New Guinea.

How about in Australia, completely disconnected from Papua New Guinea? Wendigo Psychosis is something that has been passed down through the aboriginal tribes, knowing nothing of mental health dynamics. Wendigo Psychosis is described as psychosis from cannibalism.

[Ele'ill]

Tribes that practice it are none other than deplorable savages. I don't care that it's "their culture." They are savages and collective sociopaths because there is other food available. It is a bizarre and fucked up desire to demonstrate dominance.

are you vegan?

[Psycho P and the Freight Train]

are you vegan?

Nice try :grin: But there are quite a few differences.

It is nearly impossible to be vegan without being well-off financially. The only exception is if there is a farmers' market nearby. I do not live near a farmers' market.

Plus, this argument is also irrelevant because I am not eating my own species. I cannot find any animal species who eat their own. Not to mention that mad cow disease formed from cows eating other cows.

[Ele'ill]

Nice try :grin: But there are quite a few differences.

Your criticisms of that society's social practices mirror your own society's, you have just gotten used to those


It is nearly impossible to be vegan without being well-off financially.

this isn't true because you're buying everything you normally would except for meat and animal products like dairy, you're spending less




The only exception is if there is a farmers' maker nearby. I do not live near a farmers' market.

me either, grocery stores


Plus, this argument is also irrelevant because I am not eating my own species.

morality




I cannot find any animal species who eat their own.

actually lots do




Not to mention that mad cow disease formed from cows eating other cows.

who gives a shit we aren't cows

[Lord Testicles]

You don't just have to worry about Kuru if you eat human flesh but transmissible spongiform encephalopathy and all the other prion diseases.

Eating human flesh is a gamble because unless you're willing keep a portion of the population as food and treat them as such then how are you ever going to know the state of the meat you are eating? What's this persons medical history? Do they have parasites? Where and how am I going to butcher and prepare the meat?

Whilst I have no problem with consenting adults eating each other, I do however wonder why you'd go through all that trouble to eat something which essentially tastes like veal when veal is readily available?

[Lily Briscoe]

Quality trolling in this thread, by the way

[Ele'ill]

You don't just have to worry about Kuru if you eat human flesh but transmissible spongiform encephalopathy and all the other prion diseases.

Eating human flesh is a gamble because unless you're willing keep a portion of the population as food and treat them as such then how are you ever going to know the state of the meat you are eating? What's this persons medical history? Do they have parasites? Where and how am I going to butcher and prepare the meat?

Whilst I have no problem with consenting adults eating each other, I do however wonder why you'd go through all that trouble to eat something which essentially tastes like veal when veal is readily available?


So you're saying there should be some type of human flesh quality control practice like consensual/volunteer "self-farming", right?

[(A)]

Ya I am with the no eating people camp.
I mean if you want to cut off your arm and let some dude eat it that's your business but please keep your teeth off of me.:scared:

[#FF0000]

Ya I am with the no eating people camp.
I mean if you want to cut off your arm and let some dude eat it that's your business but please keep your teeth off of me.:scared:

Well obviously consent would play a huge part in this.

[Ele'ill]

You know the more I think about this, the more it makes sense. There could be mobile bio labs for flesh recuperation where you could go for skin grafting to repair your own flesh that you are feeding to yourself or to others. It would be just like gardening.

[Lord Testicles]

So you're saying there should be some type of human flesh quality control practice like consensual/volunteer "self-farming", right?

That sound too much like having your baby and eating it. I'd argue that you can either have consensual "self-faming" or quality controlled human flesh but not both.

Since the dawn of mankind most people have had an almost primal evasion to being eaten. So who would consensually agree to be consumed? I'll hazard a guess and say the old, the sick, the dying and the mentally ill and apart from the mentally ill, I'd say that the rest would fail the quality control when it comes to meat.

Unless you want to eat stringy, chewy old person flesh, I'd say that the only recourse is to find the healthiest and tastiest human heard members and farm them for meat. We could use Leninists for this, (No, not for that, I wouldn't put a Leninist in my mouth either.) they could use their keenly tuned senses to detect counter-revolutionaries to be sent to "animal farm." (working title.)

Either that, or people who want to eat people can just eat veal and pretend it came from a person. Whatever we decide is easier I guess.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

Eat opponents of cannibalism.

Seriously, though, I don't particularly care what happens to my corpse after I'm dead. Y'all can grind me up for dog food for all that I care. Or eat me. I won't exactly be around to care.

If you complain about the quality of my meat, ah, go eat a ballerina or something. Seriously there's no pleasing some people.


Well, considering the ramifications, and the fact that it is entirely unnecessary to eat other humans, it's completely asinine to say that cannibalism should be practiced under ANY circumstances.

Why would anyone other than a mentally ill sociopath eat another human? Unless of course there is NO other food available such as in North Korea or being in a plane crash high in the Andes mountains.

Tribes that practice it are none other than deplorable savages. I don't care that it's "their culture." They are savages and collective sociopaths because there is other food available. It is a bizarre and fucked up desire to demonstrate dominance.

Yeah, it's unnecessary. So is eating meat. Or shaving (unless you need to wear a gas-mask in which case, god, I'm glad I don't live wherever the hell you live). That's not the point. If it's all consensual, it's none of your business. I find people who want to ban consensual acts to be far more creepy than any "savages and collective sociopaths" who practice ritual cannibalism (you know, unlike those nice Western Chri... no wait).

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Yep, that was one tribe in Papua New Guinea.

How about in Australia, completely disconnected from Papua New Guinea? Wendigo Psychosis is something that has been passed down through the aboriginal tribes, knowing nothing of mental health dynamics. Wendigo Psychosis is described as psychosis from cannibalism.

Show me something which literally states with either pathology that the causation was from the direct consumption of untainted human meat. It seems dependent upon eating someone's brains however there is more to human meat than just brains.

[Lord Testicles]

I find people who want to ban consensual acts to be far more creepy than any "savages and collective sociopaths" who practice ritual cannibalism (you know, unlike those nice Western Chri... no wait).

On an interesting note, apart from the symbolic consumption of Christ, Europeans have been using human products in medicine for centuries. People even went as far as drinking the blood of the recently executed at the execution, the Germans (those deplorable savages) were doing it up to 1865 apparently:

"In Denmark the young Hans Christian Andersen saw parents getting their sick child to drink blood at the scaffold. So popular was this treatment that hangmen routinely had their assistants catch the blood in cups as it spurted from the necks of dying felons. Occasionally a patient might shortcut this system. At one early sixteenth-century execution in Germany, 'a vagrant grabbed the beheaded body "before it had fallen, and drank the blood from him..."'. The last recorded instance of this practice in Germany fell in 1865."

https://www.dur.ac.uk/research/news/cannibals/

[Psycho P and the Freight Train]

Eat opponents of cannibalism.

Seriously, though, I don't particularly care what happens to my corpse after I'm dead. Y'all can grind me up for dog food for all that I care. Or eat me. I won't exactly be around to care.

If you complain about the quality of my meat, ah, go eat a ballerina or something. Seriously there's no pleasing some people.



Yeah, it's unnecessary. So is eating meat. Or shaving (unless you need to wear a gas-mask in which case, god, I'm glad I don't live wherever the hell you live). That's not the point. If it's all consensual, it's none of your business. I find people who want to ban consensual acts to be far more creepy than any "savages and collective sociopaths" who practice ritual cannibalism (you know, unlike those nice Western Chri... no wait).

Hey, I'm not sure why everyone always acts like I'm trying to be that guy who praises the "civilized wonderful west" over the "evil savages" just because I criticize a non-Western culture. Don't you think that's a bit of a straw man?

Anyway, I agree completely about consensual non-harmful acts being none of my business. But the fact that it can cause psychosis and the fact that cannibals are generally psychotic is a pretty big problem. Issei Sagawa and those people who post on the internet asking for someone to let them kill and eat them…you don't think that's alarming at all?


Show me something which literally states with either pathology that the causation was from the direct consumption of untainted human meat. It seems dependent upon eating someone's brains however there is more to human meat than just brains.

Yeah, it's true that I don't think adequate studies have been done to determine whether it is entirely based on eating brains or just human meat in general. But I'd still say that it's not a risk that should be taken, nor is it mentally healthy to eat someone of your own species just for the lolz.

[Lord Testicles]

I don't find Issei Sagawa alarming at all, I kind of think the guy needs a hug.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

Hey, I'm not sure why everyone always acts like I'm trying to be that guy who praises the "civilized wonderful west" over the "evil savages" just because I criticize a non-Western culture. Don't you think that's a bit of a straw man?

Um.

Dude.

You literally called entire cultures "collective sociopaths and deplorable savages" for customs that harm no one (at least not more than our consumption of cow meat does).


Anyway, I agree completely about consensual non-harmful acts being none of my business. But the fact that it can cause psychosis and the fact that cannibals are generally psychotic is a pretty big problem. Issei Sagawa and those people who post on the internet asking for someone to let them kill and eat them…you don't think that's alarming at all?

No, I have better things to do than to worry about people looking for other people to engage in consensual activities with.

[#FF0000]

i dunno murderers are generally pretty alarming

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

i dunno murderers are generally pretty alarming

I was referring to "those people who post on the Internet...".

Murderers are alarming, but I'd find Sagawa (took me a while to remember who he was) just as alarming if he'd "only" killed that woman and not eaten her. The objectionable thing was that she was killed, not that she was eaten.

[Lord Testicles]

i dunno murderers are generally pretty alarming

Even if they only killed one person and that was 33 years ago and hasn't show any indication of repeating their crime since? I think your average solider or drunken Friday night thug is more alarming than that.

[#FF0000]

Murderers are alarming, but I'd find Sagawa (took me a while to remember who he was) just as alarming if he'd "only" killed that woman and not eaten her. The objectionable thing was that she was killed, not that she was eaten.

yea


Even if they only killed one person and that was 33 years ago and hasn't show any indication of repeating their crime since? I think your average solider or drunken Friday night thug is more alarming than that.

I dunno man i think it depends on how he feels about the murder he committed way back when. i'd say it's p. alarming if he still has no remorse or anything

[Psycho P and the Freight Train]

Um.

Dude.

You literally called entire cultures "collective sociopaths and deplorable savages" for customs that harm no one (at least not more than our consumption of cow meat does).



No, I have better things to do than to worry about people looking for other people to engage in consensual activities with.

Yes I did call them that, and I stand by it :grin: But you created a straw man by making it seem like I was making the argument that the "good christian west" was civilized.

But anyway, I don't think there are any more points for me to argue honestly. I feel like some people were trolling me. Can't tell if you are, lol.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Eat opponents of cannibalism.

Seriously, though, I don't particularly care what happens to my corpse after I'm dead. Y'all can grind me up for dog food for all that I care. Or eat me. I won't exactly be around to care.

If you complain about the quality of my meat, ah, go eat a ballerina or something. Seriously there's no pleasing some people.

I'd eat a ballerina. Wait, what?

I think "kuru" comes from consuming human spinal fluid, doesn't it? Nasty stuff. What about that German cannibal who consensually ate that guy a few years back, has he been mentioned yet? Haven't read this whole thread. Ever seen that movie "Cannibal", about the case, where him and his "victim" chop off the dude's penis and fry it and then share the tasty morsel between the two of them? Supposedly they actually did that. Good family entertainment.

[Rosa Partizan]

I'd eat a ballerina. Wait, what?

I think "kuru" comes from consuming human spinal fluid, doesn't it? Nasty stuff. What about that German cannibal who consensually ate that guy a few years back, has he been mentioned yet? Haven't read this whole thread. Ever seen that movie "Cannibal", about the case, where him and his "victim" chop off the dude's penis and fry it and then share the tasty morsel between the two of them? Supposedly they actually did that. Good family entertainment.

dafuq did I just read...

[#FF0000]

dafuq did I just read...

What, you never heard of Armin Meiwes?

[Lord Testicles]

dafuq did I just read...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armin_Meiwes



I dunno man i think it depends on how he feels about the murder he committed way back when. i'd say it's p. alarming if he still has no remorse or anything

He says he can't feel remorse for what he has done (but he also wants to die), I guess you can judge for yourself how alarming that is: http://youtu.be/BosZxa1bYcE?t=30m4s

[Rosa Partizan]

I heard of him, I know that some Rammstein-Song was about him, but this penis-thing was new to me...omfg.

[Sinister Intents]

Its cool with me for the reasons others have stated, as in its consensual et cetera. I hate being later to threads

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Yeah, it's true that I don't think adequate studies have been done to determine whether it is entirely based on eating brains or just human meat in general. But I'd still say that it's not a risk that should be taken, nor is it mentally healthy to eat someone of your own species just for the lolz.

What exactly is so tramtic (inherently speaking) about eating meat that just so happens to be of your own species as opposed to other meats? Are non-human animal deaths really that different and meaningless zoo logically speaking? I would argue definitively, no.

[#FF0000]

I heard of him, I know that some Rammstein-Song was about him, but this penis-thing was new to me...omfg.

That's what was meant by "mein teil" :mellow:

[Psycho P and the Freight Train]

What exactly is so tramtic (inherently speaking) about eating meat that just so happens to be of your own species as opposed to other meats? Are non-human animal deaths really that different and meaningless zoo logically speaking? I would argue definitively, no.

Are other animal deaths meaningless? No, not at all. I'm very against the treatment that animals are currently suffering in the meat industry today. Very pro-animal rights. But they are not of my species, so it is perfectly fine to eat them. In fact, evolution has thrived based on animals eating other animals.

And my objection comes from the fact that every single cannibal I have ever heard about has been utterly psychotic. And the prevalence of kuru, wendigo psychosis, from eating meat itself. These factors are not present when eating other meat. Sure, other meat has risks as well, and correlation doesn't mean causation. But there is a very very strong correlation between people who practice cannibalism and having psychotic tendencies.

[consuming negativity]

I'm learning a lot in this thread...

*Writes down the names of all the people to avoid post-revolution.*

[Redistribute the Rep]

I know Fox News is terrible but this was pretty interesting :

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/01/17/artist-serves-friends-meatballs-cooked-in-his-own-liposuctioned-body-fat/


SANTIAGO, Chile – "Bon appetit," said Chilean artist Marco Evaristti as he presented his friends with his newest creation: meatballs cooked with fat from his own body, extracted by liposuction.

"Ladies and gentleman, bon appetit and may god bless," said Evaristti, a glass in his hand, to his dining companions seated last Thursday night around a table in Santiago's Animal Gallery.

On the plates in front of them was a serving of agnolotti pasta and in the middle a meatball made with oil Evaristti removed from his body in a liposuction procedure last year.

"The question of whether or not to eat human flesh is more important than the result," he said, explaining the point of his creation.

"You are not a cannibal if you eat art," he added.

Evaristti produced 48 meatballs with his own fat, some of which would be canned and sold for $US4000 dollars for 10.

A veteran at shock-art, in an earlier work Evaristti invited people to kill fish by pressing the button on a blender the fish were held in.

In April 2004 he dyed an enormous iceberg in Greenland with red paint.

[PhoenixAsh]

I suddenly have a craving for some Fava beans and a nice Chianti.

[Slavic]

And my objection comes from the fact that every single cannibal I have ever heard about has been utterly psychotic. And the prevalence of kuru, wendigo psychosis, from eating meat itself. These factors are not present when eating other meat. Sure, other meat has risks as well, and correlation doesn't mean causation. But there is a very very strong correlation between people who practice cannibalism and having psychotic tendencies.

The prevalence of those diseases are due to the fact that those societies are very small and isolated. These diseases are caused by prions, the formations of which is due to genetic expression. These prions are very resilient and can be passed between individuals via blood. Since these societies were isolated and small, the existence of a few members with prions could cause large scale infections amongst the population.

So to combat prion diseases I would suggest that you vary your human meat diet. Try not to limit yourself to members of your immediate community and try to eat more exotic imported human meats. Make sure you stay away from "Budget Meats" since these meats are usually comprised of scraps from various humans. Instead go for the "Whole Food Meats" such as the "Frank Flanks" and the "Bill Chops". Eating meats from a single human will dramatically decrease your change of catching a disease.

Also when you butcher your humans, make sure that you DISPOSE of the nervous tissue. Prions can be found in all tissues but they are largely concentrated in nervous tissue. Discarding the brain and spinal tissue will go a long ways toward preventing the spread of prion diseases. Some people may prefer the fatty meats that can be found in the brain but the smart shopper can get all the fat and marbling they need from the subcutaneous tissue. You can slice these into long flanks and broil them; the fats found under the skin will cook into the meat and enrich the flavor.

Remember, A Smart Human is a Tasty Human.

[Five Year Plan]

Bon Appetit!

[Raquin]

I'm all in favor of legalising cannibalism, so that cannibals could be easily outed and secretly executed and then fed to other cannibals, thus perpetuating the cycle.

[Slavic]

I'm all in favor of legalising cannibalism, so that cannibals could be easily outed and secretly executed and then fed to other cannibals, thus perpetuating the cycle.

Grr that goes against every health code that I proposed.

Do you even care about food standards, shesh.

[DigitalBluster]

SOYLENT GREEN IS CAPITALISTS!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_TKHXO3JlPxg/TUJsClcWvpI/AAAAAAAABCo/cenHWnKP10c/s1600/hartman.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green)

[Lord Testicles]

SOYLENT GREEN IS CAPITALISTS!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_TKHXO3JlPxg/TUJsClcWvpI/AAAAAAAABCo/cenHWnKP10c/s1600/hartman.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green)

In that case:
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/500x/47841261.jpg

[DigitalBluster]

Here the caution in choosing your meal must be mentioned. It is VERY IMPORTANT to remember that animals raised for slaughter are kept in tightly controlled environments with their health and diet carefully maintained. Humans are not. Thus not only is the meat of each person of varying quality, but people are also subject to an enormous range of diseases, infections, chemical imbalances, and poisonous bad habits, all typically increasing with age. Also as an animal ages, the meat loses its tenderness, becoming tough and stringy. No farm animal is ever allowed to age for thirty years. Six to thirteen months old is a more common slaughtering point. You will obviously want a youthful but mature physically fit human in apparently good health. A certain amount of fat is desirable as "marbling" to add a juicy, flavorful quality to the meat. We personally prefer firm caucasian females in their early twenties. These are "ripe". But tastes vary, and it is a very large herd.

Not sure why "caucasian," but here are instructions for "Butchering the Human Carcass for Human Consumption (http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/e-sermons/butcher.html)."

[A Psychological Symphony]

This thread is pretty great because I was just thinking, " Boy-O Communism sure has a great rep with the public, but I just wish there was a way to make the public appeal even greater!"

Communist cannibals could not have been more perfect.

[slum]

i know we're being silly here and all but consuming grief by beth conklin is actually a pretty cool ethnography about the wari' people who consumed their dead as a stage in the spiritual life cycle they believed in up until christians showed up and made them bury people (which was pretty culturally traumatic as they saw the ground as polluting and the people buried got 'stuck' down there)

really neat investigation of cultural perspectives on death as well as colonialism and ofc eating people

[Ele'ill]

So post-revolution there will be no need for police HQs/justice centers and to compliment the fruit orchards that will be plentiful we could remove such buildings and have the technocrats bio engineer vast flesh fields where it will be meat formed, like partial and full torsos worth of living human meat. To make it more emotionally soft, each torso could have a name and a personalized electronic voice recording kind of like there are at monument tours and some parks. There could be community hours where you could bring bus loads of kids, anyone interested, to come talk to and interact with the stalks of meat on a personal level. The technocrats could also make it so the meat stalks could dance a little bit so there could be community dance-offs with the meat and there could be rave nights with laser shows.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

Actually, thanks to prion diseases, cannibalism will be self-regulating. Only a handful of people would be willing to let their brains rot for the sake of eating their fellow man, and these people would disproportionately agree to let themselves be eaten afterwards (both because they don't find cannibalism icky, and because their brains may be half-decayed).


I imagine most people would resort to cannibalism if they are starving, stuck in a snowy mountain pass after a plane crash or a wagon train expedition gone wrong, however. Well, perhaps not those who are really militant about keeping kosher/halal/vegan/vegetarian/other dietary rules. Those will be the ones being eaten.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Are other animal deaths meaningless? No, not at all. I'm very against the treatment that animals are currently suffering in the meat industry today. Very pro-animal rights. [b{But they are not of my species, so it is perfectly fine to eat them.[/b] In fact, evolution has thrived based on animals eating other animals.

A speciesist would say something like this. Guess some meat bags are more equal and more important than others. How sad you feel that way. :(


And my objection comes from the fact that every single cannibal I have ever heard about has been utterly psychotic. And the prevalence of kuru, wendigo psychosis, from eating meat itself. These factors are not present when eating other meat. Sure, other meat has risks as well, and correlation doesn't mean causation. But there is a very very strong correlation between people who practice cannibalism and having psychotic tendencies.

Again, the diseases listed are dubious links to cannibalism as a causation for various pathologies. You have yet to argue sufficiently and flesh out fully (haha) how and why cannibalism is psychotic other than bringing up examples where the actual rating of other humans is just a symptom of another underlining psychosis. Like it's kind of appearing, you personally think it's gross so therefore all cannibals are 'crazy people.'

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

i know we're being silly

There is nothing silly about this thread. Everyone is being perfectly serious about a highly important and relevant ecological issue.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

I wasn't talking about ecology, I'm just a bit of a gourmand.

Also I like to see people twist themselves into knots trying to reconcile their instinctive "ick" reaction with the notion that consensual acts shouldn't be moralised over. It's sort of endearing.

[Brutus]

Cannibalise Proudhonists, both conscious and unconscious ones.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Cannibalise Proudhonists, both conscious and unconscious ones.

Idk are they any good? How do you like to cook thems? Any particular cut that's preferable?

[Lily Briscoe]

SANTIAGO, Chile – "Bon appetit," said Chilean artist Marco Evaristti as he presented his friends with his newest creation: meatballs cooked with fat from his own body, extracted by liposuction.

"Ladies and gentleman, bon appetit and may god bless," said Evaristti, a glass in his hand, to his dining companions seated last Thursday night around a table in Santiago's Animal Gallery.

On the plates in front of them was a serving of agnolotti pasta and in the middle a meatball made with oil Evaristti removed from his body in a liposuction procedure last year.

"The question of whether or not to eat human flesh is more important than the result," he said, explaining the point of his creation.

"You are not a cannibal if you eat art," he added.

Evaristti produced 48 meatballs with his own fat, some of which would be canned and sold for $US4000 dollars for 10.

A veteran at shock-art, in an earlier work Evaristti invited people to kill fish by pressing the button on a blender the fish were held in.

In April 2004 he dyed an enormous iceberg in Greenland with red paint.

God, what a douchebag.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

The thought of eating human meat always makes my mouth water. The thought of that juicy red meat, cooked neatly on a frying pan, mmmm. I wouldn't mind being eaten by a large animal when I die. I don't want my body lying around or rotting. I'd rather be digested. Probably it'd make the poor animal sick though...

With a few health checks you can do much to avoid getting Kuru. Generally that is primarily consumption of brain matter as well. So just avoid the brain. Or not.
Call more paramedics, etc.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

The thought of eating human meat always makes my mouth water. The thought of that juicy red meat, cooked neatly on a frying pan, mmmm. I wouldn't mind being eaten by a large animal when I die. I don't want my body lying around or rotting. I'd rather be digested. Probably it'd make the poor animal sick though...

With a few health checks you can do much to avoid getting Kuru. Generally that is primarily consumption of brain matter as well. So just avoid the brain. Or not.
Call more paramedics, etc.

Awwww baby, see we can be frans! :wub:

[DigitalBluster]

If it's all consensual, it's none of your business. I find people who want to ban consensual acts to be far more creepy than any "savages and collective sociopaths" who practice ritual cannibalism (you know, unlike those nice Western Chri... no wait).


Also I like to see people twist themselves into knots trying to reconcile their instinctive "ick" reaction with the notion that consensual acts shouldn't be moralised over. It's sort of endearing.

Individual liberties are not inviolable. If consensual acts impose negative externalities on third parties, then those acts become the business of those parties, and I approve of those parties collectively prohibiting those acts. (These are general comments, not specific to cannibalism.)

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

Individual liberties are not inviolable. If consensual acts impose negative externalities on third parties, then those acts become the business of those parties, and I approve of those parties collectively prohibiting those acts. (These are general comments, not specific to cannibalism.)

So what "negative externalities" does consensual cannibalism impose on anyone? I'm not talking about "individual liberties", by the way, it's given that a revolution will trample individual liberties, it's just that there is no good materialist reason for the public authority to interfere with consensual cannibalism.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Individual liberties are not inviolable. If consensual acts impose negative externalities on third parties, then those acts become the business of those parties, and I approve of those parties collectively prohibiting those acts. (These are general comments, not specific to cannibalism.)

Ok so for it to be truly consensual, obviously (and I stated this already) those to be consumed would have to arrange it prior as in their final wishes, no different than cremation or traditional burial aside from not wasting land that could be used for oh idk farming shit or that release pollutants in the air further leading to our impending ecological doom. A medical examiner could examine the body and declare the body fit for consumption. Provided this is an international campaign for the planet and against unjust Victorian moralism and prejudices there would be a diversity of different meats from a wide cornucopia of locals, diets, and so on.

Quit hatin. Next.

[slum]

"savages and collective sociopaths" who practice ritual cannibalism (you know, unlike those nice Western Chri... no wait).

heh heh
look up "medicinal cannibalism in england" for extra fuel against apologists for "civilized christianity", not like you really need it

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

heh heh
look up "medicinal cannibalism in england" for extra fuel against apologists for "civilized christianity", not like you really need it

Omg, thas so cool, thank you.

See you doubters, it's medicine. Legalize it!

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Why? It's natural and green and saves animals. How is that creepy?

humans aren't animals, then? There's a nice bit of exceptionalism.

This thread is sick - no animal eats its own kind. It's fucking gross. Yes, gross like incest.

[Lily Briscoe]

This thread is sick - no animal eats its own kind. It's fucking gross. Yes, gross like incest.

This isn't true at all. Regardless, whether or not 'any animal' does something is a pretty shit basis for 'justifying' or opposing a given behavior among humans. This thread is pretty obviously a joke, though, so...

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

humans aren't animals, then? There's a nice bit of exceptionalism.

Apparently not according to a lot of people, humans are like some special god creatures not fit for forks. Don't blame me, I'm just a product of my environments, lol


This thread is sick - no animal eats its own kind. It's fucking gross. Yes, gross like incest.

You're English; your opinions on the culinary arts aren't welcome here m8.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

This isn't true at all. Regardless, whether or not 'any animal' does something is a pretty shit basis for 'justifying' or opposing a given behavior among humans. This thread is pretty obviously a joke, though, so...

God damnt it's not a joke. Stahp.

[Lord Testicles]

humans aren't animals, then? There's a nice bit of exceptionalism.

This thread is sick - no animal eats its own kind. It's fucking gross. Yes, gross like incest.

Humans aren't animals, then? There's a nice bit of exceptionalism.

[Luís Henrique]

This thread is pretty obviously a joke, though, so...

... so it should be in Chit-Chat, not in learning.

Luís Henrique

[Црвена]

I'm not sure why someone would agree to be eaten, I think it's biologically unhealthy and, though I see where some of you are coming from with the animal rights thing as a vegetarian, I don't think we should value animals over humans either. The reason I'm a vegetarian is that I think it's fine to use animal resources in exchange for giving animals food and hospitality (provided farmers don't drug them up and stuff them with food in order to increase profits) but there can be no compensation for murder.

[Hagalaz]

I once read that human flesh is very similar to pork.

Shake n' Bake anyone?:)

[Slavic]

I'm not sure why someone would agree to be eaten, I think it's biologically unhealthy and, though I see where some of you are coming from with the animal rights thing as a vegetarian, I don't think we should value animals over humans either. The reason I'm a vegetarian is that I think it's fine to use animal resources in exchange for giving animals food and hospitality (provided farmers don't drug them up and stuff them with food in order to increase profits) but there can be no compensation for murder.

I don't know why people keep posting about health issues arising from cannibalism after I provided information on prion diseases. As long as you prepare the meat correctly you should be no more at risk for diseases as if you were eating non human meat.

The more I think about this the more I love the idea of a standardized cannibalism. The dead could have their organs harvested for transplants and their meat harvested for the masses. As long as the process is held to a high health standard, I can see no wrong.

[Quail]

If someone consents to be eaten after their death then I suppose technically that meat would be "vegan" and there is no ethical issue with it... But I think I would still give it a miss. This thread is... pretty weird. Imagine if someone came on here to learn about communism and then saw a huge long thread about how great cannibalism is.

[Tenka]

The thought of being eaten by some beast(s) or other people really turns me on, but since I don't want to die or become disabled it shall remain a fantasy (so long as I have any say in the matter). I would like to try human flesh myself, and am not opposed to the idea of human farms (there could even be a constructed farm religion so that those born and raised on the farm go willingly to the slaughter--we are silly animals like that, not hard to make work against instinct if it doesn't require too much thought).

[Sabot Cat]

People, A Modest Proposal was satirical and Soylent Green depicted a dystopian future. You weren't supposed to react it to like, "Hey, that's a pretty good idea!"

[Ele'ill]

... so it should be in Chit-Chat, not in learning.

I oppose this proposal. Some of us have spent the last several days deep in thought and discussion, laying out genuine possibilities for the future. You want meat post revolution- then put your actions where your mouth is as this is a sustainable future. This is our species being realized.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

People, A Modest Proposal was satirical and Soylent Green depicted a dystopian future. You weren't supposed to react it to like, "Hey, that's a pretty good idea!"

But that was pretty much my reaction to Brave New World, if we disregard the caste differentiation.

Anyway, this should have been a pretty open-and-shut thread. Consensual act, no one else's business. Then we could go back to discussing whether insane reformist co-op schemes are socialism. But there are still people who can't get over their disgust, which I think shows political immaturity.

Also I would like to point out another source of delicious human meat: aborted fetuses.

Discuss.

[Sabot Cat]

But that was pretty much my reaction to Brave New World, if we disregard the caste differentiation.

And the rampant consumerism, and the anti-intellectualism, and the literal worship of a fascist capitalist, and did you even read the book?


Anyway, this should have been a pretty open-and-shut thread. Consensual act, no one else's business.

Pretty much, but the broader proposals are more worrying.


Then we could go back to discussing
whether insane reformist co-op schemes are socialism.

Nice casual use of 'insane' there with your tendency-trolling, very tactful.


But there are still people who can't get over their disgust, which I think shows political immaturity.

Also I would like to point out another source of delicious human meat: aborted fetuses.

Discuss.

Am I supposed to take this seriously?

[PhoenixAsh]

We need to start eating Panda's.

http://img.pandawhale.com/26454-panda-meat-chart-uA8E.jpeg

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Give up your flesh, and a new world awaits you. We demand it.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

And the rampant consumerism, and the anti-intellectualism, and the literal worship of a fascist capitalist, and did you even read the book?

I did, and to be honest I don't recall much anti-intellectualism. Freud, for example, is clearly held in high esteem. And Ford is upheld as the originator of mass, assembly-line production which, while historically inaccurate (the venetian Arsenal already operated on the principle of the assembly-line), is at least understandable. "Rampant consumerism" means that people take the time to enjoy themselves and aren't concerned about the salvation of their souls, which is broadly speaking positive.

Huxley wanted to write a dystopia but half of the time his petit-bourgeois position gets the better of him.


Pretty much, but the broader proposals are more worrying.

Why?


Nice casual use of 'insane' there with your tendency-trolling, very tactful.

Oh right, as if pointing out that most of the threads on RevLeft aren't exactly high theory is trolling. In fact people whine and moan about this thread, when half of the threads have nothing, nothing at all, to do with revolutionary socialism.


Am I supposed to take this seriously? What's the point here?

The point is that people apparently can't think politically and are thinking with their stomachs. That is the same process that leads people to oppose abortion because it's icky.

[Luís Henrique]

This thread is... pretty weird. Imagine if someone came on here to learn about communism and then saw a huge long thread about how great cannibalism is.

The point of the left, I fear, is to become ever more isolated.

At least, I see lots of leftists building such isolation.

And then whining, why, oh why, isn't the working class following us?

Luís Henrique

[PhoenixAsh]

I still maintain it is because of the Pandas. Pandas are concentrated smug bourgeois evil. we need to eat the Pandas.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTMetdIvQmEW0tJAtGAub5YLYdwJfS-NVEmmijX1oUquv75bjmd4PFI3A

[Sabot Cat]

I did, and to be honest I don't recall much anti-intellectualism. Freud, for example, is clearly held in high esteem.

The people in the World State don't know who the hell Freud is because most old literature has been eradicated, and prohibited from being read.


And Ford is upheld as the originator of mass, assembly-line production which, while historically inaccurate (the venetian Arsenal already operated on the principle of the assembly-line), is at least understandable. "Rampant consumerism" means that people take the time to enjoy themselves and aren't concerned about the salvation of their souls, which is broadly speaking positive.

Rampant consumerism means... rampant consumerism. People are literally encouraged to throw away their old things just to get new ones. I'm not sure what you like about the society, honestly.



Why?

Tenka's conception of people farms in particular disturbs me, assuming that there is no joke there. For people to volunteer for something they don't know the implications of... that's a basic lack of consent.


Oh right, as if pointing out that most of the threads on RevLeft aren't exactly high theory is trolling. In fact people whine and moan about this thread, when half of the threads have nothing, nothing at all, to do with revolutionary socialism.

It's as if this forum can have broader subject matter than just its primary topic or something.


The point is that people apparently can't think politically and are thinking with their stomachs. That is the same process that leads people to oppose abortion because it's icky.

I am thinking politically; industrialized cannibalism does not seem like a great idea to me... further, if you don't want people to think with their stomachs in a conversation about potential food, why described aborted fetuses as 'delicious'?

[Slavic]

I'm only for industrial harvesting of dead and dieing humans. It just seems like a waste to.throw away all those nutrients. The dead having nothing to offer except their corpse and I think society should take full advantage of the multitude of corpses produced every day. If you can't harvest the organs and flesh, then at the very least .grind the corpse to and fertilize the fields.

[Sabot Cat]

I'm only for industrial harvesting of dead and dieing humans. It just seems like a waste to.throw away all those nutrients. The dead having nothing to offer except their corpse and I think society should take full advantage of the multitude of corpses produced every day. If you can't harvest the organs and flesh, then at the very least .grind the corpse to and fertilize the fields.

I think we should preserve the dead in case we can find a way to revive them later.

[Slavic]

I think we should preserve the dead in case we can find a way to revive them later.

Horrible use of resources. There is no indications that such a thing is possible. I can understand if you just want to clone the dead, but the amount of cellular damage sustained due to lack of energy is impossible to repair.

[PhoenixAsh]

Some people are dead for good reason. Some people should make a carreer out of staying death.

Why on earth would you want to revive the death?

Also:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BWS7eaJS-18/UGN6LVRRMhI/AAAAAAAAGFk/KD13-8SuKD8/s400/Panda+Meat+PSA+Ad.jpg

[Sabot Cat]

Horrible use of resources. There is no indications that such a thing is possible. I can understand if you just want to clone the dead, but the amount of cellular damage sustained due to lack of energy is impossible to repair.

What would be the point of cloning them? It would just be creating a twin. Furthermore, it's not [yet?] necessary to use humans as fertilizer or food to feed everyone adequately.

Finally: I really think it's kind of cruel and sad to not even try to preserve these people, as if they never mattered, as if even the slightest hope that there's a chance to save them later with medical advancements is not worth considering for their well-being. Really, that's the way it is now, but at least most people aren't materialists, so they don't think they're condemning their loved ones to oblivion while seriously deprecating their chances of reprieve from it. But those proposing we just eat people by and large have a more reality-correspondent view of the entire thing, and I can't really support it while possessing a like perspective in metaphysics.

[Ele'ill]

The point of the left, I fear, is to become ever more isolated.

At least, I see lots of leftists building such isolation.

And then whining, why, oh why, isn't the working class following us?

Luís Henrique


all hope is lost

[PhoenixAsh]

all hope is lost

Look at what you have done people!!! This thread has us decended to the level of quoting Slipknot lyrics

[Ele'ill]

slipknot is more relevant than marx

[Slavic]

What would be the point of cloning them? It would just be creating a twin. Furthermore, it's not [yet?] necessary to use humans as fertilizer or food to feed everyone adequately.

Finally: I really think it's kind of cruel and sad to not even try to preserve these people, as if they never mattered, as if even the slightest hope that there's a chance to save them later with medical advancements is not worth considering for their well-being. Really, that's the way it is now, but at least most people aren't materialists, so they don't think they're condemning their loved ones to oblivion while seriously deprecating their chances of reprieve from it. But those proposing we just eat people by and large have a more reality-correspondent view of the entire thing, and I can't really support it while possessing a like perspective in metaphysics.

What would be the point of reviving them? Your basically proposing that we store corpses for the off chance that society can cure death. What would reviving your 80 year old great grandmother actually accomplish? How is her quality of life, is she going to live for another week or 80 more years, what mental and physical ailments will succumb a 160 year old woman?

Also the benefits of cannibalism are present and not the subject of some future fancy.

[Sabot Cat]

What would be the point of reviving them? Your basically proposing that we store corpses for the off chance that society can cure death. What would reviving your 80 year old great grandmother actually accomplish? How is her quality of life, is she going to live for another week or 80 more years, what mental and physical ailments will succumb a 160 year old woman?

She'd be alive, they'd be alive. There doesn't need to be a point beyond that.


Also the benefits of cannibalism are present and not the subject of some future fancy.

There are no benefits of cannibalism. Meat in general is an extremely inefficient food source that uses up more resources than more agricultural based diets.

[Thirsty Crow]

I'd seriously like to be eaten after I die. Only if the peeps eating me don't find it gross or think they will absorb some of my awesome powers (you won't they go with me).

Anyone up for some revolutionary contract making? Of course the breaking of the contract activates the clause specifying that a revolutionary tribunal is to set you on fire on grounds of breaching a comradely trust agreement.

[Ele'ill]

Now that is a contract I could really cut my teeth on

[Psycho P and the Freight Train]

So basically the pro-cannibalism arguments are "Look at how edgy I am everyone lololol morals are stupid, look how logical I am".

Seriously it's honestly pretty cringeworthy to have a contest to see who is the edgiest neck beard. Cannibalism is fucking gross. You all sound like those idiots on 4chan who want to do something just for the "lolz" just because "why not."

[Slavic]

So basically the pro-cannibalism arguments are "Look at how edgy I am everyone lololol morals are stupid, look how logical I am".

Seriously it's honestly pretty cringeworthy to have a contest to see who is the edgiest neck beard. Cannibalism is fucking gross. You all sound like those idiots on 4chan who want to do something just for the "lolz" just because "why not."

Why the fuck does everyone basically gloss over the positions I have put forward. I have put together a rational and beneficial way to see cannibalism utilized in our society, and have also dispelled the "OMG Cannibalism makes get diseases" stupidity.

So far all I get is "Yuk" and "Turn them into Zombies"

Awesome constructive criticism.

[Lord Testicles]

So basically the pro-cannibalism arguments are "Look at how edgy I am everyone lololol morals are stupid, look how logical I am".

Seriously it's honestly pretty cringeworthy to have a contest to see who is the edgiest neck beard. Cannibalism is fucking gross. You all sound like those idiots on 4chan who want to do something just for the "lolz" just because "why not."

What do you think of someone like William Seabrook, who ate someone out of pure curiosity?


If someone consents to be eaten after their death then I suppose technically that meat would be "vegan" and there is no ethical issue with it... But I think I would still give it a miss. This thread is... pretty weird. Imagine if someone came on here to learn about communism and then saw a huge long thread about how great cannibalism is.
Maybe it should be moved to philosophy since if there is any serious discussion to be had it would be around the morality of cannibalism.

[Sabot Cat]

Why the fuck does everyone basically gloss over the positions I have put forward. I have put together a rational and beneficial way to see cannibalism utilized in our society, and have also dispelled the "OMG Cannibalism makes get diseases" stupidity.

So far all I get is "Yuk" and "Turn them into Zombies"

Who suggested anything about zombies?


Awesome constructive criticism.

I pointed out that meat is an inefficient food source compared to agriculture alone, that we don't need to eat people for everyone's survival, and yeah.

[Einkarl]

God this forum sometimes...
It's this kind of shit that makes it hard for many to take us serious.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

So basically the pro-cannibalism arguments are "Look at how edgy I am everyone lololol morals are stupid, look how logical I am".

"Look at how conventional I am. People like me because I'm non-confrontational and non-threatening. This is so crazy, it makes mad, jus shooooooo myaaaaaaad, harrumph! This is why no one takes us seriously! Who the fuck will buy the 'Commission to meet to Potentially discuss the Formation of a Commission for the creation by election for the Propagation of Socialist Ideas' tri-monthly periodical now! The revolution is lost."


Seriously it's honestly pretty cringeworthy to have a contest to see who is the edgiest neck beard.

I'm a woman and have zero hair from the eyebrows up. Be more creative next time and just call us witches or something. Good luck trying not to sound sexist while doing so.


Cannibalism is fucking gross.

Says a prude because hey, calling yourself 'Psycho' isn't off putting at all.


You all sound like those idiots on 4chan who want to do something just for the "lolz" just because "why not."

As I've stated this a very serious ecological issue. Me and Mari3L and others have been pretty clear about this. Please quote one of us where we said it was for the lulz? Cannibalism is medicinal. Look it up. I wish people would stop with this it's a joke, move to chit-chat and other bullshit. Stop trivializing and dismissing a legitimate and relevant issue. Damn.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

God this forum sometimes...
It's this kind of shit that makes it hard for many to take us serious.

Let's cry an ocean of salty shame because the e-revolution is being delegitimized by one simple thread. Oh the humanities. Just send me to e-Siberia already.

[Sabot Cat]

As I've stated this a very serious ecological issue. Me and Mari3L and others have been pretty clear about this. Please quote one of us where we said it was for the lulz? Cannibalism is medicinal. Look it up. I wish people would stop with this it's a joke, move to chit-chat and other bullshit. Stop trivializing and dismissing a legitimate and relevant issue. Damn.

Is the Cannibalist-Maoists group not a joke then...? ._.

[Psycho P and the Freight Train]

"Look at how conventional I am. People like me because I'm non-confrontational and non-threatening. This is so crazy, it makes mad, jus shooooooo myaaaaaaad, harrumph! This is why no one takes us seriously! Who the fuck will buy the 'Commission to meet to Potentially discuss the Formation of a Commission for the creation by election for the Propagation of Socialist Ideas' tri-monthly periodical now! The revolution is lost."



I'm a woman and have zero hair from the eyebrows up. Be more creative next time and just call us witches or something. Good luck trying not to sound sexist while doing so.



Says a prude because hey, calling yourself 'Psycho' isn't off putting at all.



As I've stated this a very serious ecological issue. Me and Mari3L and others have been pretty clear about this. Please quote one of us where we said it was for the lulz? Cannibalism is medicinal. Look it up. I wish people would stop with this it's a joke, move to chit-chat and other bullshit. Stop trivializing and dismissing a legitimate and relevant issue. Damn.

I….I don't know if you are expertly trolling me or if you are serious. :lol:

And women can be neck beards too! I use the term very loosely and it doesn't require a physical neck beard. I think you're cool and all but cannibalism isn't cool.

Nah I wouldn't call you witches O_O lol. Probably would be sexist.

How am I being a prude though? We're talking about cannibalism, not sex! Damn, I do not want to have to say those two words in the same sentence ever again.

And the Psycho thing is from a tv show, you know! I'm not really psychotic. But sure, it's probably off-putting.

Fuck ecology, lol. I have yet to see the evidence.

[Rugged Collectivist]

vox, it's just that I've been growing up with finding cannibalism gross, as everyone of us did. As a vegan (or at least almost), that animal saving argument is totally valid for me.

Aha! I knew it! Vegans are all misanthropes who would rather eat humans than their precious cows.


So basically the pro-cannibalism arguments are "Look at how edgy I am everyone lololol morals are stupid, look how logical I am".

Seriously it's honestly pretty cringeworthy to have a contest to see who is the edgiest neck beard. Cannibalism is fucking gross. You all sound like those idiots on 4chan who want to do something just for the "lolz" just because "why not."

That's a pretty weak argument honestly. What would you say if someone wanted to outlaw sodomy on the grounds that it's "gross" or "unnatural". I don't think anyone is trying to be edgy here. With the possible exception of you, Mari3l, and Vox I don't think anyone in this thread feels strongly about cannibalism. We don't live in a society where it's widely practiced so it's really a non issue. If someone wants to consensually eat someone else's body then go ahead. It doesn't really affect me either way.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Is the Cannibalist-Maoists group not a joke then...? ._.

Of course not, it's a group for Cannibalists whom are also Maoists. Why do think I'm or my affiliates or affiliate groups are joking or trolling?

[Sabot Cat]

Of course not, it's a group for Cannibalists whom are also Maoists. Why do think I'm or my affiliates or affiliate groups are joking or trolling?

The description is kind of humorous, and I don't really see why it would be a central tenant of one's political philosophy. Also, I don't think you've identified as Maoist before. The joke hypothesis just seems to fit with the facts better.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Guys it sounds like the workers of the world found this thread and well long story short communism is off, I'd like to thank all the edgy neckbeards for ruining the future for me.

Thanks,

[Ceallach_the_Witch]

munch upon the enemies of the revolution

royalty goes best with blue cheese and vintage port, whereas a slum landlord must be simmered with onions to render down the fat and mask the flavour somewhat.

televangelists must not be eaten except medicinally. religion is the opium of the people after all.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Guys it sounds like the workers of the world found this thread and well long story short communism is off, I'd like to thank all the edgy neckbeards for ruining the future for me.

Thanks,

My big toe is more Communist and hardcore than 99% of the posters here.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

The description is kind of humorous, and I don't really see why it would be a central tenant of one's political philosophy.

Then what do you think of animal liberation, slavery abolitionists and so on? everything is related, relevant and important.


Also, I don't think you've identified as Maoist before. The joke hypothesis just seems to fit with the facts better.

I only started the only Juche (Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism) groups, been the most vocal BK supporter, etc. Ask Ismail, I totally have PMs stating quote "I'm tots ML," before he so rudely kicked me out of the ML group. I'm like prtty Maoist lemme tell ya. You know, peasants and what not.

[Rafiq]

Um.

Dude.

You literally called entire cultures "collective sociopaths and deplorable savages" for customs that harm no one (at least not more than our consumption of cow meat does).



No, I have better things to do than to worry about people looking for other people to engage in consensual activities with.

I reckon that in some cultures there is nothing wrong with rape, I some cultures there is forced marriage, ritual sacrifice and so on.. so what, such nonsense derives legitimacy in our circumstances because some remote tribe of whom we socially have no similarities goes through with such a practice?

Oh and here we go with this "consensual" nonsense. Capitalist relations are consensual, all oppression is consensual lest it would not last a day. To prattle of,derive legitimacy from "consent" is liberal. Oh but do go on everyone about how cannibals should be included in your muddied identity politics.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

I reckon that in some cultures there is nothing wrong with rape, I some cultures there is forced marriage, ritual sacrifice and so on.. so what, such nonsense derives legitimacy in our circumstances because some remote tribe of whom we socially have no similarities goes through with such a practice?

Oh and here we go with this "consensual" nonsense. Capitalist relations are consensual, all oppression is consensual lest it would not last a day. To prattle of,derive legitimacy from "consent" is liberal. Oh but do go on everyone about how cannibals should be included in your muddied identity politics.

It's not an isolated thing, it's a pretty common thing. I have stated numerous times that a system whereby the deceased themselves opt for this prior to their death no different than cremation or what have you. Entirely different than rape or forced marriage or whatever straw man you care to concoct. I see nothing you've said that would negate any claims here nor is my advocacy premised solely on consent. Again, this is an ecological issue. But continue being a stick in the mid per usual.

[Wuggums47]

I personally feel that it is wrong to eat human flesh, but then again I also think it's wrong to eat non human flesh. I don't feel like either is really more wrong than the other, and I understand that many people disagree with me on this.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

I reckon that in some cultures there is nothing wrong with rape, I some cultures there is forced marriage, ritual sacrifice and so on.. so what, such nonsense derives legitimacy in our circumstances because some remote tribe of whom we socially have no similarities goes through with such a practice?

Oh and here we go with this "consensual" nonsense. Capitalist relations are consensual, all oppression is consensual lest it would not last a day. To prattle of,derive legitimacy from "consent" is liberal. Oh but do go on everyone about how cannibals should be included in your muddied identity politics.

Because, of course, just like consensual cannibalism, ritual sacrifice and forced marriage (and of course forced marriage doesn't exist in the superior Western culture, which is a term that of course makes sense) do not harm anyone. Rape, too. Rape isn't non-consensual or harmful; we only oppose rape because it makes our Western-supremacist balls feel big. Wage-slavery, a term Marx used because, I don't know, he wasn't pleased with his cereal that morning, and that definitely implies nothing about the consensual nature of market relations, is also harmless and consensual. Socialism would not mean the liberation of humanity, both from the anarchy of the market, and from archaic social forms, but herding everyone into some sort of global concentration camp overseen by some "proletarian" Caesar with Rafiq as his minister for the prevention of vice and promotion of virtue.

Once again you make my case for me, because your vicariously aggressive, petty-moralist social-democracy is precisely why it is important to think politically and not with one's guts. A few decades ago people like you would have raged against gay men because of their dangerous, gender-chauvinist decadence; a decade ago, against people who indulge in BDSM.

[Turinbaar]

Vox, have you eaten anyone?

[Luís Henrique]

Vox, have you eaten anyone?

Armchair cannibal unmasked... :laugh:

Luís Henrique

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I find it funny all the vegetarians that are in favor of cannabalism, especially on the grounds that it will save animals. I'd rather not eat another human and wouldn't unless I'm in some brutal conditions like the Donner Party were in. And if you're dead does it really matter if you consent or not? Oh no, Johhny didn't consent to me eating his dead body, guess I can't because of my moral code. No, Johnny is dead so who cares what he said, time for dinner. If you're going out of your way to eat humans when other food is readily available you might have a problem. I don't know what it is, I'm no psychologist, but why?

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Vox, have you eaten anyone?

Who's to say really.

[Turinbaar]

Who's to say really.

let's start with you.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

I find it funny all the vegetarians that are in favor of cannabalism, especially on the grounds that it will save animals. I'd rather not eat another human and wouldn't unless I'm in some brutal conditions like the Donner Party were in. And if you're dead does it really matter if you consent or not? Oh no, Johhny didn't consent to me eating his dead body, guess I can't because of my moral code. No, Johnny is dead so who cares what he said, time for dinner. If you're going out of your way to eat humans when other food is readily available you might have a problem. I don't know what it is, I'm no psychologist, but why?

Motivation for the consumption of the holy meatbags is driven by various concerns and are 100% rational, logical and so on. Again, I don't see what's so psychologically damaging. We consume numerous animals which have a comparable intelligence and all that. Dolphin, dogs, pigs, monkeys, etc. some whales even have more folds in their brains than we do and are perhaps more intelligent than even we. Yet we humans kill and eat these creatures all the time. Pigs have an intelligence of that of a 6 year old or something and it's the most widely consumed meat in the West. It's everywhere. Which is why I find all this hoopla aboot cannibalism being psychologically damaging to be absurd in light of this fact.

"Oh no, my dinner looked like me, I can't eat it now even though it's nigh identical to a slab of beef or veal."

Such silly zoological distinctions yinz are making here.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

let's start with you.

I'm afraid it's against forum rules to discuss illegal activities on the open forum no less learning. :lol:

[Rosa Partizan]

why do you find it funny? I wouldn't eat a human either, but why do you think this argument is invalid? We grew up with the notion that cannibalism is sickening and perverted, but it doesn't mean that it inherently is. I mean, yeah, I myself find it gross and if I met anyone eating human meat, I'd probably stay away from his as far as possible, but I'd do so because I learned it that way and I don't plan to change my attitude on that. But if you look closer at it, you gotta conclude that you can't point your finger at what EXACTLY is so sickening about it, taking into account that - as mentioned - there are already animals that eat their own species.

[Turinbaar]

I'm afraid it's against forum rules to discuss illegal activities on the open forum no less learning. :lol:

People discuss if they have done drugs, they just cannot arrange drug deals. Similarly, you could, if you weren't a total casuistical fake and coward, affirm or deny having eaten someone.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

You're English; your opinions on the culinary arts aren't welcome here m8.

Til you've had fish and chips down at Portsmouth Pier, shut yer mouth!

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

Til you've had fish and chips down at Portsmouth Pier, shut yer mouth!

I think most people would find stuff like jellied eels and suet pudding to be more objectionable than the fairly common fish and chips...

But hey, I live in a country without a culinary tradition, what do I know?

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

People discuss if they have done drugs, they just cannot arrange drug deals. Similarly, you could, if you weren't a total casuistical fake and coward, affirm or deny having eaten someone.

Someone I know may or may not have technically eaten someone.

[Turinbaar]

Someone I know may or may not have technically eaten someone.

define technically

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Til you've had fish and chips down at Portsmouth Pier, shut yer mouth!

I like my fish raw and wrapped in seaweed with ginger on the side. Not, covered in a mystery batter, deep fried and drowned in vinegar with side chips soaking all this up with salt.

i like it when I was drunk but I regret it in the morning

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

define technically

Define human and it's distinguishing characteristics.

[Turinbaar]

so was it human or not? don't pretend that you're clever.

[Fegelnator]

This thread :grin.

But sure, what's the problem. People only dislike cannibalism because Man is their religion anyways. And because eating other humans isn't that healthy, but that's no reason to dislike it.

[Lord Testicles]

Define human and it's distinguishing characteristics.
human
adjective
of or belonging to the genus Homo.

Distinguishing characteristics include but aren't limited to making up stories about cannibalistic friends to appear or seem edgy.

[Fegelnator]

So basically the pro-cannibalism arguments are "Look at how edgy I am everyone lololol morals are stupid, look how logical I am".

Seriously it's honestly pretty cringeworthy to have a contest to see who is the edgiest neck beard. Cannibalism is fucking gross. You all sound like those idiots on 4chan who want to do something just for the "lolz" just because "why not."

You want to ban something because it's gross? Lot more things you could ban for that reason...

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

so was it human or not? don't pretend that you're clever.

Tots was human monkey.

[Turinbaar]

can we ban this one now?

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

human
adjective
of or belonging to the genus Homo.

So like homo habilis or homo neanderthalensis or homo floresiensis or Homo sapiens or...?


Distinguishing characteristics include but aren't limited to making up stories about cannibalistic friends

We were discussing the most important person the universe.

ME


to appear or seem edgy.

Cuz that's so obviously my goal to appear or seem edgy and super dupe aggro and hardcore to a gaggle of fedora enthusiasts. I've been found out.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

can we ban this one now?

Can we stop detailing my thread now? You should be banned for merely suggesting this.

[Lord Testicles]

So like homo habilis or homo neanderthalensis or homo floresiensis or Homo sapiens or...?

Yes, they are all humans.


Cuz that's so obviously my goal to appear or seem edgy and super dupe aggro and hardcore to a gaggle of fedora enthusiasts. I've been found out.

Well it would appear so.

[Rosa Partizan]

this thread gives me headache and diarrhea at the same time.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Yes, they are all humans.

Neanderthals were human? Previous ancestors were Homo sapiens? Are you sure you're not high babe?

This brings up an excellent query for you speciesists. So, it's not cool to eat Homo sapiens, what about (hypothetically) Neanderthals? They aren't Homo sapiens and are a competing group for resources and so on? Or is just whatever looks human is unkosher?

[Sabot Cat]

Neanderthals were human? Previous ancestors were Homo sapiens? Are you sure you're not high babe?

This brings up an excellent query for you speciesists. So, it's not cool to eat Homo sapiens, what about (hypothetically) Neanderthals? They aren't Homo sapiens and are a competing group for resources and so on? Or is just whatever looks human is unkosher?

I don't think it's cool to eat any mammal.

[Lord Testicles]

Neanderthals were human?Yes.


Previous ancestors were Homo sapiens?I said human not Homo sapiens and yes your previous ancestors were Homo sapiens, they were Homo sapiens idaltu.


Are you sure you're not high babe?No, I am high and I'm correct.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

I don't think it's cool to eat any mammal.

So the highly intelligent Cephalopods are perfectly fine for consumption?

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Yes.

Neanderthals were not of the same species? How are they human? What is human now?


I said human not Homo sapiens and yes your previous ancestors were Homo sapiens, they were Homo sapiens idaltu.

You're funny, lol


No, I am high and I'm correct.

I don't think so love. :( sorrynotsorry

[Ele'ill]

I can't believe there are users here/people alive who think that a genuine thread on the merits of cannibalism is going to create a calamitous and permanently impassable rift between their ideas and 'the working class'. Hey, using 1 thread on 1 forum on the entire internet as the scapegoat for why your paper sales and academic trench-work have failed time and time again is kind of a cop out.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

I can't believe there are users here/people alive who think that a genuine thread on the merits of cannibalism is going to create a calamitous and permanently impassable rift between their ideas and 'the working class'. Hey, using 1 thread on 1 forum on the entire internet as the scapegoat for why your paper sales and academic trench-work have failed time and time again is kind of a cop out.

But.

Comrade.

If we don't suck up to the conservative small artisan we think represents the working class, how are they going to vote for us?

I mean buy our newspaper.

I mean revolution. Yes. Somehow.

[Sabot Cat]

So the highly intelligent Cephalopods are perfectly fine for consumption?

Yeah, it's not at all a good thing to correlate "value of life" with "intelligence".

Anyway, I think mammals are the only beings which there is something it is like to be them, because the wider array available for birds or fish or insects would make it improbable that I would ever be a human being. But as far as mammals go, humans are one of the most populous species, especially for this time period. If I could have been a pigeon or an ant, I probably would have been one, and not a human. This is similar to Doomsday Argument probabilistic reasoning, which is not incontrovertible.

Why distinguish on the basis of 'mammals', though? Doesn't that relate more to how the animal nurses their young than any neurological difference? Well, yes and no. Mammals also have distinguishing neurological characteristics, chief among these unique facets is the cerebral cortex. The cerebral cortex is the seat for sensory experiences relayed from the thalamus, and it enables abstract thinking and language.

Based on the probability and neurological characteristics, I believe that all mammals have experiences like I have experiences, and thus have the capacity to feel happiness or suffering. Thus, based upon my utilitarian ethics, I consider their welfare in my calculations of net utility; the same is not true of say, fish or chicken or squids, however.

This theory isn't perfect, but it's the best working hypothesis I've been able to produce.

[Lord Testicles]

Neanderthals were not of the same species? Of course Neanderthals are not the same species as modern humans but that doesn't mean they're not a species of human.


How are they human?Because they belong to the genus Homo.


What is human now? What it has always been: of or belonging to the genus Homo.


You're funny, lolYou have a lot of confidence for someone who clearly doesn't have a clue what they're talking about.

I don't think so love.Well thankfully what you think has no bearing on what is correct.

[Luís Henrique]

Of course Neanderthals are not the same species as modern humans but that doesn't mean they're not a species of human.

Well, those things certainly change with time, but the last time I checked, Neanderthals were in fact the same species as modern humans.

They would be a different sub-species, Homo sapiens neanderthalensis, but Homo sapiens nonetheless.


Because they belong to the genus Homo.

Yup. That is the definition of "human": members of genus Homo, not members of species Homo sapiens.

But I don't think this is really relevant. All other species and sub-species of genus Homo are extinct, so the attempt to bring them into discussion is mere further trolling.

Luís Henrique

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Yeah, it's not at all a good thing to correlate "value of life" with "intelligence".

Anyway, I think mammals are the only beings which there is something it is like to be them, because the wider array available for birds or fish or insects would make it improbable that I would ever be a human being. But as far as mammals go, humans are one of the most populous species, especially for this time period. If I could have been a pigeon or an ant, I probably would have been one, and not a human. This is similar to Doomsday Argument probabilistic reasoning, which is not incontrovertible.

Why distinguish on the basis of 'mammals', though? Doesn't that relate more to how the animal nurses their young than any neurological difference? Well, yes and no. Mammals also have distinguishing neurological characteristics, chief among these unique facets is the cerebral cortex. The cerebral cortex is the seat for sensory experiences relayed from the thalamus, and it enables abstract thinking and language.

Based on the probability and neurological characteristics, I believe that all mammals have experiences like I have experiences, and thus have the capacity to feel happiness or suffering. Thus, based upon my utilitarian ethics, I consider their welfare in my calculations of net utility; the same is not true of say, fish or chicken or squids, however.

This theory isn't perfect, but it's the best working hypothesis I've been able to produce.

Ok so this isn't really telling me how or why humans (however defined) are so special. It's just weird to me that specifically mammals are saved from the butcher but every other sentient being? Fack em, they don't have furs or fancy brains or cockamamie human feelings and 'experiences.' Was the qualitive difference between eating a baby gorilla and wrong a baby human? Is it equally as bad and naughty?

[Sabot Cat]

Ok so this isn't really telling me how or why humans (however defined) are so special.

They're not; mammals are simply the only beings that can plausibly inferred to have experiences, and thus included in any felicific calculus.


It's just weird to me that specifically mammals are saved from the butcher but every other sentient being? Fack em, they don't have furs or fancy brains or cockamamie human feelings and 'experiences.'

Well if the thing in question probably doesn't have the capacity to have conscious experiences, I very well can't consider how things will impact them. I mean, why not consider the feelings of bacteria, or viruses? Plants? Why is it so important that the thing in question moves? Or has 'life', so vaguely defined? You need to have some sort of demarcation line, and a rational one at that.


Was the qualitive difference between eating a baby gorilla and wrong a baby human? Is it equally as bad and naughty?

They're both bad, and I have never said that humans are more important than all other mammals.

[Lily Briscoe]

casuistical
If nothing else, at least I've learned a new word from this thread....

[Lord Testicles]

Was the qualitive difference between eating a baby gorilla and wrong a baby human? Is it equally as bad and naughty?

No, eating a baby gorilla is fine.

What's the qualitative difference? One is a gorilla and one is a human being and last time I checked gorillas weren't doing shit. We're talking about a species so terrible at being alive that it's endangered.

[Ele'ill]

its because people are eating too many of them and it isn't a healthy consensual social relationship

[Ele'ill]

I also want to point out that this thread has been accidentally moved to non-political from the correct area, Learning. It also was not logged.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Motivation for the consumption of the holy meatbags is driven by various concerns and are 100% rational, logical and so on. Again, I don't see what's so psychologically damaging. We consume numerous animals which have a comparable intelligence and all that. Dolphin, dogs, pigs, monkeys, etc. some whales even have more folds in their brains than we do and are perhaps more intelligent than even we. Yet we humans kill and eat these creatures all the time. Pigs have an intelligence of that of a 6 year old or something and it's the most widely consumed meat in the West. It's everywhere. Which is why I find all this hoopla aboot cannibalism being psychologically damaging to be absurd in light of this fact.

"Oh no, my dinner looked like me, I can't eat it now even though it's nigh identical to a slab of beef or veal."

Such silly zoological distinctions yinz are making here.
It doesn't have to do with intelligence, maybe it is a sense of these are people like me so I don't want to eat them. Kill some of them, yes, but not to eat. That's why we have pig farms and cow farms, etc, we breed them and give them a shitty life so we can have something to eat after we kill them so we don't have to eat eachother. It's something social, not biological, I wouldn't eat my dog either. I know, silly zoological distinction.

[Ele'ill]

What if they made the meal themselves and had invited you over, wine, candles, etc..? Would you refuse them?

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Why was it cool to derail my thread? Why was it moved to non-political? Why was it allowed to turn into some joke because tiny two year olds can't have a decent conversation about the topic? This is pretty lame if you ask me.

[Turinbaar]

maybe its because the discussion was started by a tiny two year old

[#FF0000]

maybe its because the discussion was started by a tiny two year old

yer a tiny two year old actually

[Rafiq]

The point has nothing to do with direct harm, eating a member of the great apes is opposed for the psychological dimensions behind it. Now the entire premise of a I animal rights is to attribute anthropomorphic characteristics to other animals, if they see them being eaten, they claim, then eating a person somehow be just as fine. This isn't about moralism, none of you hear could feast upon a dead human body in the event that such a thing happened, unless you're a psychopath. If we eat our own dead, that sais a lot about what kind of parasitic, opportunistic barbarous scum we are, like a cat who at first chance eats her dead owner.

[Rosa Partizan]

no one can't deny, though, that in our society cannibalism is a symptom of severe psychosis.

[Rafiq]

no one can't deny, though, that in our society cannibalism is a symptom of severe psychosis.

Historically the only cases in which cannibalism has been of norm a society are generally ritualistic and spiritual. As of the bourgeois age of reason, however it can serve no function.

Really though this is just trolling on the animal rights users behalf. If you(as in they) cannot differentiate man from cow, then I really don't know what the fuck you're fighting for.

[Rosa Partizan]

I won't make a difference in terms of compassion, since there's no difference in terms of feeling pain when comparing animals to human beings.

[consuming negativity]

I think Vox made this thread not to troll, but because she wanted to talk about something interesting and different from usual (see: not the 1,405,458th thread about Lenin/Trotsky/dead Russians). But everybody responded by getting all huffy and self-righteous as if we're too good to discuss the morals and philosophy of cannibalism. The people ITT aren't really advocating for eating people so much as they're advocating for us to think about the topic critically and actually come up with a sound logical argument one way or another. Or at the very least, to do something interesting and stop taking ourselves so seriously. Instead, ten pages later, the thread was moved to an off-topic forum and has degenerated into shitposting.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I'm the individual responsible for moving the thread. I thought it may have gotten some quality since I last posted, but I saw that this wasn't the case, so I moved it. Didn't really belong in "Learning" since the OT was created by someone who obviously has a very established viewpoint on the topic anyway and was just looking to joust with other posters on this site.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

I'm the individual responsible for moving the thread. I thought it may have gotten some quality since I last posted, but I saw that this wasn't the case, so I moved it. Didn't really belong in "Learning" since the OT was created by someone who obviously has a very established viewpoint on the topic anyway and was just looking to joust with other posters on this site.

Doesn't that pretty much describe around half of the posts in Learning? I think the thread was going alright if a bit predictable before the caesaropapists started trolling - and yeah, it's not as if I generally agree with Vox on anything, but this time they weren't the ones trolling. Anyway, I think this has been a useful experience because it's one thing when people take a "libertarian" attitude to things that are generally supported on the left or things they can face administrative section for opposing (such as abortion), and another when they take it on issues such as this. Or incest. It's also interesting to see who will crawl out of the woodwork asking for State bans against those horrible deviants.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Doesn't that pretty much describe around half of the posts in Learning?

Maybe, in which case those threads should be moved to other forums like History or S&E, etc. It was just that I happened to notice this one thread in particular.

If the OP wants the thread moved to another subforum, then send me (or another moderator) a message and it'll get moved somewhere else, I really don't care. It's definitely not appropriate in Learning, though.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

like a cat who at first chance eats her dead owner.

That's right; like a cat; the cat is not beholden to its owner; its existence is not contingent on its owners whims. The cat, thus understood, is free from bourgeois subjugation. The cat does what it is told to do only when it wants to do it; it is not like a dog that does what its master brainlessly tells it to. It does not obey. It eats, because it wants to survive; it is strong, adaptable. The cat that does not eat its owner dooms itself to death.

Eat the bourgeoisie.

[PhoenixAsh]

Isn't the cat simply the bourgeoisie??

lso I am slightly disappointed we haven't broached the Panda issue yet

[Rosa Partizan]

Isn't the cat simply the bourgeoisie??

lso I am slightly disappointed we haven't broached the Panda issue yet

Pandas?? Omg?? What about pandas?? :crying:

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Isn't the cat simply the bourgeoisie??

lso I am slightly disappointed we haven't broached the Panda issue yet

Fuck panda's. Overrated shits.

Fuck 'em. Eat dolphins & kill pandas. Especially dolphins though. Annoying nasty rapist pieces of shit. The population of bottleshit dolphins is not threatened, but they are arbitrarily protected under the guise of imbecilic legislation. If anything, their currently high population is a threat to other marine life. Cull the fucking ugly shits.

[PhoenixAsh]

Canned Dolphin :)

http://www.elfornio.com/ef-dolphcans.jpg

[Tenka]

I cannot find anywhere tuna these days that does not have "Dolphin Safe" on the label. Sigh.

The U.S. does arbitrarily protect all marine mammals because they're mammals, and only mammals, as Sabat Cat said, can "experience".

[Sabot Cat]

I cannot find anywhere tuna these days that does not have "Dolphin Safe" on the label. Sigh.

The U.S. does arbitrarily protect all marine mammals because they're mammals, and only mammals, as Sabat Cat said, can "experience".

The U.S. does not protect all land mammals, however; it also does not protect even people, so I agree with your assessment that such protection is arbitrary.

And really, other types of life might be able to experience [by which I mean exactly what the word is typically used to mean], I just find it implausible. My logic is this: if you are presented with a [true] random number generator with unknown min. and max. values, and it gives you a '3', it's plausible to infer that the mix-max values are not in the hundreds, thousands, or millions. It would be nice if you could get more numbers, because this could just be a fluke, but with nothing else to go on this is the best inference one can make with the available data.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

And really, other types of life might be able to experience [by which I mean exactly what the word is typically used to mean], I just find it implausible. My logic is this: if you are presented with a [true] random number generator with unknown min. and max. values, and it gives you a '3', it's plausible to infer that the mix-max values are not in the hundreds, thousands, or millions. It would be nice if you could get more numbers, because this could just be a fluke, but with nothing else to go on this is the best inference one can make with the available data.

And no one gives a shit about your crappy fucking logic, so fuck off back to that shitty forum of yours and stay there, you liberal idiot.

[Rafiq]

That's right; like a cat; the cat is not beholden to its owner; its existence is not contingent on its owners whims. The cat, thus understood, is free from bourgeois subjugation. The cat does what it is told to do only when it wants to do it; it is not like a dog that does what its master brainlessly tells it to. It does not obey. It eats, because it wants to survive; it is strong, adaptable. The cat that does not eat its owner dooms itself to death.

Eat the bourgeoisie.

I'm not talking about eating the bourgeoisie. I'm talking about a society in which cannibalism is of norm. My analogy was that the cat is opportunistic, it has nothing to do with it being a pet.

[Ele'ill]

I'm the individual responsible for moving the thread. I thought it may have gotten some quality since I last posted,


but honestly don't you think this is a little arrogant of an expectation that once you post the thread will then conform to what you feel is quality? I mean, regarding 'quality' or 'normalcy' for board standards or whatever, you didn't even log the action in the moderator actions log!



but I saw that this wasn't the case, so I moved it. Didn't really belong in "Learning" since the OT was created by someone who obviously has a very established viewpoint on the topic anyway and was just looking to joust with other posters on this site.

Learning should have users who know what they are talking about posting in it and if there is any user who knows about Consensual Cannibalism I think its Vox.

[Hit The North]

Fuck no.

[Xena Warrior Proletarian]

-Eat nothing (not going work out well for you, but that's not really important)
-Eat anything (oh no scary cannibals!)
-Eat anything unless it was sentient and killed/enslaved so it may be eaten (by the imperial species)

At least Cannibals have logical consistency. As for the rest of you anthropocentric speciesist pricks, I hope you realise you will one day come to be viewed as kin to all the other racists sexists homophobes and discriminatory shitheads.

[PhoenixAsh]

well...lets look at that logically.

The ones who will be doing the judging will be the eat nothing sentient camp. These are outnumbered by the eat anything- and the eat only some groups...The eat anything group won't judge the eat only some group...since well...the eat anything crowd won't much care about the morality involved. In fact these groups will most likely work together and cooperate...since they aren't capitalising on each others food groups as long as there is a supply of fresh human meat. Which logically is then supplied up by the eat nothing sentient group...of which there won't be enough left then to do the actual judging.

3:)



I still think we should debate the Panda issue...

A basically completely useless species which is too lazy to procreate (they have to show them Panda porn and feed them viagra in order to get them to do it...NO JOKE!!) and act in the interest of self preservation. We in the mean time spend millions to preserve 1900 individuals...more than all of the other species combined.....for them to serve as the poster child of the ZOO industry. This by the way goes for all the mammals...making up less than 3% of all animal life on earth...they receive a whopping 70% of all the protection funding.

In fact...they are predators turned vegans. So that kinda teaches us a lesson right there ;) :P

So we should eat the Panda

[Rosa Partizan]

never eat the panda, don't you listen to that lunatic guy above me.

[PhoenixAsh]

Did you know that when Panda's give birth to two cups they abandon the weaker one and leave them to die?

The Panda's are the Nazi's of the bear kingdom.

http://pictures.deadlycomputer.com/d/33743-2/panda_hitler.jpg

[Os Cangaceiros]

but honestly don't you think this is a little arrogant of an expectation that once you post the thread will then conform to what you feel is quality? I mean, regarding 'quality' or 'normalcy' for board standards or whatever, you didn't even log the action in the moderator actions log!

No, LOL, that's not what I meant at all. My posting had nothing to do with anything. It was just indicative of the last time that I'd looked at the thread.





Learning should have users who know what they are talking about posting in it and if there is any user who knows about Consensual Cannibalism I think its Vox.

LOL

[Rosa Partizan]

Did you know that when Panda's give birth to two cups they abandon the weaker one and leave them to die?

The Panda's are the Nazi's of the bear kingdom.

http://pictures.deadlycomputer.com/d/33743-2/panda_hitler.jpg

how can such a creature be a nazi? are you out of your mind?

http://d22zlbw5ff7yk5.cloudfront.net/images/stash-1-50d6f47d1d5fa.gif

[Ele'ill]

No, LOL, that's not what I meant at all. My posting had nothing to do with anything. It was just indicative of the last time that I'd looked at the thread.

So what you are saying is that you are not even interested in this thread, a legitimate learning discussion thread that touches on area of deeper theory and challenges reasoning skills, but felt the need to arbitrarily move the thread anyways; despite there being deep social exchanges between users who are highly interested in the topic, and all the other users who will never find this thread now that it has been moved to non-political and all the users who saw it and wanted to post in it but may have been afraid that they weren't at this level of discussion yet who will then post in the technical support subforum asking what happened to the Cannibalisation thread why was it moved and not even logged.

[PhoenixAsh]

Evil Pandas...look at how that evil bugger is hogging the ball!!





This is history about Chi-Chi:


Now, out of the blue, came this assault on sixteen-year-old Christopher Madden. Chi-Chi knocked him down and, as he lay helpless on his back, had sat on him and started savaging his leg. Ken Alliborne, a keeper from the Monkey House nearby, heard his screams and without a moment’s hesitation leapt into the enclosure (from which there was no escape for either man or panda) and ran towards the boy on the ground. Picking up Madden’s broom, he tried as hard as he could to lever Chi-Chi off the boy, but she refused to budge. Blood was pouring from Madden’s leg and Alliborne was forced to take drastic action. He clouted the panda on the head with the broom and Chi-Chi looked up, startled, just long enough for him to pull Madden clear.

[Sabot Cat]

And no one gives a shit about your crappy fucking logic, so fuck off back to that shitty forum of yours and stay there, you liberal idiot.

If it's so 'crappy', surely you could point out a single, well-defined flaw...? No? Content with vacuous insults and inept bullying? Okay, that works too.

Also: evidently you cared or you wouldn't have replied, and certainly not with such vitriol.

[Remus Bleys]

What was the point of the analogy? I could very well point out that that wasnt logic or that the odds of it being 3 also tells us the odds that it wouldn't be three, or even debate if a true number generator was possible or not. But its all irrelevant to the thread about cannibalizes (which amongst all thing being called, the one that most surprised me is "opportunism"... wouldn't eating a dead human because theirs no food around more of a compromise? Kinda silly to condemn the cat for doing what is necessary to survive...). Your analogy makes no sense whatsoever because of the fact its irrelevant.
Also, maybe not cannibalism but who cares about the dead's wishes really? Just user a dead body (of any species really) in am "efficient" way. Oil came from dead bodies long ago before dinosaurs, food comes from animals, manure from shit. I'm sure the same could be said with dead humans - something of "use" really. Organs for one. If nothing else why not cannibalism?

[Ele'ill]

As a witch, I think these questions on morality and cannibalism directly align with the questioning of 12am vs 12pm and how they are interchangeable.

[Sabot Cat]

What was the point of the analogy? I could very well point out that that wasnt logic or that the odds of it being 3 also tells us the odds that it wouldn't be three, or even debate if a true number generator was possible or not. But its all irrelevant to the thread about cannibalizes (which amongst all thing being called, the one that most surprised me is "opportunism"... wouldn't eating a dead human because theirs no food around more of a compromise? Kinda silly to condemn the cat for doing what is necessary to survive...). Your analogy makes no sense whatsoever because of the fact its irrelevant.

It was pertinent, because my argument that mammals are likely the only things which have the capacity to have experiences relies on the type of probabilistic reasoning used in the analogy.

[Ele'ill]

wait, is anarcho-syndicalism still a thing

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

wait, is anarcho-syndicalism still a thing

I legit lol'd, I really needed that babes.<3

Also the only cute bears are polar bears. Pandas are aesthetically tacky and ugly, can we stop talking about them now? Like I think it's pretty unfortunate everytime I make a cool thread that could be way deep and awesome party poppers ruin it with bad jokes and like make attempt at pulling my sanity it mental health into question or drugs or a mirade of other things. I am very disappoint RL. Y do you do this to me? Pearls before swines.

Also...

http://www.acuteaday.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/polar-bear-cub_1786691i.jpg

[Sabot Cat]

You know what, fuck it.

Cannibalism is a wonderful, revolutionary thing. Anyone who opposes this obviously more efficient way of dealing with dead people, and/or a fun time activity between consenting adults, is a reactionary stuck in their bourgeois moralism.

[Ele'ill]

So,

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

So,

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/57/Cannibal_the_musical_13th_anniversary_dvd.jpg

So I'd like to bring this into discussion. A contemporary representation of how cannibalism can be fun through the magic of song. ^-*

[Ele'ill]

Is this Musical a Parody of the cult classic, Ravenous? As you can probably imagine, they don't have any other choice but to survive its their only alternative.

http://rogueshollow.com/blogs/assets/ravenous-2.jpg

[Art Vandelay]

Voxxy love you can chop me up for stew meat when I'm gone. Gonna have to fatten me up first though with your cooking. Make sure to use the rib bones for stock, that's where the good flavor comes from.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Voxxy love you can chop me up for stew meat when I'm gone. Gonna have to fatten me up first though with your cooking. Make sure to use the rib bones for stock, that's where the good flavor comes from.

Then you'd be with me foreverrrrrrrrrr.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Is this Musical a Parody of the cult classic, Ravenous? As you can probably imagine, they don't have any other choice but to survive its their only alternative.

http://rogueshollow.com/blogs/assets/ravenous-2.jpg

Is this in Netflix? I've only seen the musical. Idk.

Also, I don't think we've properly touched on the psychic potential of consuming brains and hearts. If energy can't be destroyed and all these neurons and protons and shit are zipping through out brains all the time and if I eat said brain, wouldn't it make sense that I'd absorb that energy or psychic power?

[Ele'ill]

If energy can't be destroyed and all these neurons and protons and shit are zipping through out brains all the time and if I eat said brain, wouldn't it make sense that I'd absorb that energy or psychic power?

Yes.

[Art Vandelay]

Then you'd be with me foreverrrrrrrrrr.

That's exactly what I was thinking. :wub: I don't understand why anyone should be concerned/opposed with what I chose to do with my consenting wife, especially in the privacy of our home. All this talk of it being psychotic and other similar nonsense fails to understand that it really stems from a deep love between two individuals. At least in this case it does, as well as most other cases we've encountered in the cannibalist community.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

If energy can't be destroyed and all these neurons and protons and shit are zipping through out brains all the time and if I eat said brain, wouldn't it make sense that I'd absorb that energy or psychic power?

There's no such thing as "psychic power". They are however, very rich in nutrients and energy which will bring fuel to your body after eating it. Delicious.

[Ele'ill]

There's no such thing as "psychic power". They are however, very rich in nutrients and energy which will bring fuel to your body after eating it. Delicious.


but what are memories wouldn't you absorb their memories too since that energy that is memories can't be destroyed

[Brandon's Impotent Rage]

Nobody can eat me after I'm dead.

(I already plan to have my ashes dumped inside the Haunted Mansion at Disney World.)

[Ele'ill]

what if you bumped someone's ashes

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

what if you bumped someone's ashes

I think I'd prefer to be like a nice tea or coffee. What about human tea? Would that be psychologically damaging?

[Ele'ill]

Just for some intellectually stimulating tunes to help focus while browsing this thread:

2NGsxo_qC-4

[The Feral Underclass]

Also the only cute bears are polar bears.

But what about these bears?

http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/235/68f/23568f0f-51eb-4631-ab44-dfc644a34136

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

But what about these bears?

http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/235/68f/23568f0f-51eb-4631-ab44-dfc644a34136

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lua27dgwvB1qafrh6.gif

[Ele'ill]

So I am curious how the various revolutionary/insurrectionary Cannibalism currents could be tied into Arachno-Communism as some broader praxis

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Arachno-communism

[PhoenixAsh]

What are we going to do about the vicious rule of Lolth?

Anyways...have we decided yet who we are going to eat at the RevLeft reunion next year?

[Redistribute the Rep]

Can we just use the corpses for fuel if you people really cannot stand to waste them? I highly doubt there will be a long line of people wanting to eat all of them (assuming other food choices are available)

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Can we just use the corpses for fuel if you people really cannot stand to waste them? I highly doubt there will be a long line of people wanting to eat all of them (assuming other food choices are available)

I do know of some cases where crematoriums where being used as an alternative source of energy however ecologically this is problematic in that it causes pollution. I'm queen of marketing, you let me worry about how to feed the masses with the masses and yinz focus on like roads or some shit.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

What are we going to do about the vicious rule of Lolth?

Anyways...have we decided yet who we are going to eat at the RevLeft reunion next year?

Rafiq. I want to eat Rafiq and Takayuki so they'll be forced to be with me forever and I can eat their brains and absorb their power.

[slum]

you can't eat Takayuki, Bordigists are threatened according to the WWF endangered species list

primitivists are fair game, though, we'd only be actualizing their dreams of industrial and civic collapse

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

you can't eat Takayuki, Bordigists are threatened according to the WWF endangered species list

primitivists are fair game, though, we'd only be actualizing their dreams of industrial and civic collapse

No way, primitivism, and you can write this down, is mad cool. I can get down on some anti-civ shtuff. I think Tak would be cool with it, he seems pretty kinky.

[Brandon's Impotent Rage]

I'd imagine Taka would be kinda stringy.

[slum]

i am taking extensive notes on my papyri

[Rafiq]

It's not an isolated thing, it's a pretty common thing. I have stated numerous times that a system whereby the deceased themselves opt for this prior to their death no different than cremation or what have you. Entirely different than rape or forced marriage or whatever straw man you care to concoct. I see nothing you've said that would negate any claims here nor is my advocacy premised solely on consent. Again, this is an ecological issue. But continue being a stick in the mid per usual.


Because, of course, just like consensual cannibalism, ritual sacrifice and forced marriage (and of course forced marriage doesn't exist in the superior Western culture, which is a term that of course makes sense) do not harm anyone. Rape, too. Rape isn't non-consensual or harmful; we only oppose rape because it makes our Western-supremacist balls feel big. Wage-slavery, a term Marx used because, I don't know, he wasn't pleased with his cereal that morning, and that definitely implies nothing about the consensual nature of market relations, is also harmless and consensual. Socialism would not mean the liberation of humanity, both from the anarchy of the market, and from archaic social forms, but herding everyone into some sort of global concentration camp overseen by some "proletarian" Caesar with Rafiq as his minister for the prevention of vice and promotion of virtue.

Once again you make my case for me, because your vicariously aggressive, petty-moralist social-democracy is precisely why it is important to think politically and not with one's guts. A few decades ago people like you would have raged against gay men because of their dangerous, gender-chauvinist decadence; a decade ago, against people who indulge in BDSM.



If the argument has its basis in not being harmful, then its practice among other cultures is irrelevant and is no basis for legitimacy. The argument was precisely that because other cultures practice cannibalism, it is "chauvinistic" for us to look down upon it. Would you say the same about forced marriage, then? What is the relevancy of harm? If we are speaking about legitimacy with regard to other cultures, what does harm have to do with it? Are you capable of addressing this without dismissing it as straw man? No, continue to call me a social democrat, maybe that will make your posts less garbage.

And I assure you, 870, who the fuck are you to decide what is harmful, and what isn't? Many backward, reactionary practices such as forced marriage, unconstrained sexism as well as pederasty, child abuse are not harmful at all by the standards of such societies, I would imagine that in forced marriages women do not go out kicking and screaming at all. Which brings us to another point: If you are raised in a society in which patriarchy is a breath of fresh air, if you are deprived of education, then you are most likely going to consent to your own oppression, and there will likely be no harm (by the standards of such societies). Does this make it acceptable? Are we as Communsits going to make exceptions in our universal standards for such societies? Are the interests of patriarchal elders and tribal leaders the homogeneous interests of such societies? If so, why is the bourgeoisie not completely representative of our societies? Is it because of our insignificant existence, as Communists (though I am hesitant to say "our).

The point is here: The ability to actually consent and make a choice is not a given, the space has to be opened up, it is an imposition. Western standards, dare I say values, or whatever the fuck you want to call a society that is "tolerant" of other cultures, has to be imposed upon all other cultures in order for people to truly make the choice to resume with such backward practices. Which is why the whole thing is a rather worthless, contradictory thing anyway. Free choice does not exist, so merit by consent is a baseless argument, for anything.

If you want to talk about a hypothetical society in which people can consent to being consumed, and people, without the silly "moralistic" presumptions of class society (as if the taboo of eating others is somehow only inherent to class society), then you may as well talk about whether eating shit is going to be acceptable, too. It would be equally worthless of a discussion.

The point is: what does talk of cannibalism have as far as now? What relevancy does this possess? Are there any ideological foundations within Communism that have anything to do with cannibalism? No. Why is there a "bourgeois" aversion to cannibalism? What about the aversion to cannibalism reproduces capitalist relations, specifically? Gay rights, and feminism, conversely, challenge bourgeois sexual relations. Cannibalism is not opposed because by the standards of our society it is strange, it is opposed because it serves no function to the cause of the revolution, as well as the fact that it is a psychological problem. There is no political potential for cannibalism.

Cannibalism is a gross taboo, and proletarian consciousness does not "enlighten" workers to see the alleged harmlessness of cannibalism, or pedophilia (not that I am accusing you of pedophilia, or apologizing for it, as that would be against the rules and worthy of another infraction). The only gain in prattling of cannibalism is obfuscating revolutionary ideology.

I won't even try to bother though, I know you all are trolling, anyway. You won't even answer half of this, you'll gleam through it and proceed to make another DNZ related joke, and laugh it off. You might dismiss me, you might think that I am revoked of all legitimacy because of my reputation on this website, but truth is truth. It does not matter if it comes out of the mouth of a dog, truth from the mouth of a slave is superior to a lie of a king's tongue.

[The Feral Underclass]

Someone who has lots of muscle mass, but also still has some fat to make it taste good.

[Slavoj Zizek's Balls]

Haha Cannibalisation Theory, that's just... hahaha you guys crack me up!