How come progressive and conspiracy theory news sites are so anti-communism?

[USAneedsCommunism]

I have a question: Why are so many alternative progressive news websites so anti-communism like democracynow.org, commondreams.org, informationclearinghouse.info whatreallyhappened.com infowars.com 911truth.org truthdig.com alternet.org salon.com and others alternative news websites? How come progressive and conspiracy theory news sites are so anti-communism, so anti-marxism?

Hello comrades and friends: the internet is full of anti-communism, anti-marxism alternative news websites. Even The Green Party is hardcore anti-communism, The nation magazine. Informationclearinghouse.info (The website of Tom Feeley who is an anti-war Ron Paul libertarian) Commondreams.org alternet,org truthdig.com, salong.com, democracynow.org, thinkprogress.org they are all anti-communism.

Even many conspiracy theory websites like 911truth.org, whatreallyhappened.com infowars.com have a very weird ideology of anti-war bourgeoise-liberalism and anti-war, anti-corporations small-business libertarianism.

Those websites have something good, which is compatible with us us full communists and ultra-leftists is that most of those conspiracy theory websites and alternative news progressive liberal news sites are tired of democrats, republicans, corporations, banks, Wall Street, and imperialist wars.

But it seems to me that most of those alternative news websites and conspiracy theory news sites are owned and managed by people of the middle classes, by academic college progressive liberals and white collar workers.

And their middle class nature and friends are like an impediment for many progressive anti-war activists and conspiracy theorist activists to be marxists, anarchists, leninists and full communists.

I used to read the news of informationclearinghouse.info of Tom Feeley, and participate in their discussions, in their comments section. But most of my comments there were written from a pure marxism perspective, with a class oriented world view, and judging the world not in terms of nations, but seeing the whole world as a world of upper class people, middle class people and the great majority of people (lower class people). But I think that Tom Feeley does not share that class marxism oriented worldview, he sees the world problems, the wars between nations, as wars of nations against nations. And not as imperialist wars of oligarchic classes of one nation against other nations in order to steal their resources. And that''s why my pro-communism comments were banned and labeled as "spam"

So I wrote this message to Tom Feeley, the libertarian owner of Informationclearinghouse.info

Tom Feeley: Why do you hate communists so much? What did american communists do to you. What did Hugo Chavez do to you? Are you still deleting the comments made by ultra-leftists and communists? I am a full marxist and I have friends who are capitalists and i respect their personal political ideology.

I don't understand why Tom Feeley wants every single people in this website to have his same political ideology, which is bourgeoise liberalism and anti-war, isolationist, libertarianism.

Tell Tom Feeley that the only solution for this world is socialism and communism. And that he should devote a part of Informationclearinghouse.info to marxism theory, socialism and marxism philosophy for beginners. Communist party building, marxism revolutionary theory. And how can the marxists of USA seize the US government in the near future, when the conditions are ripe for a marxist communist revolution

Even Albert Einstein wrote an article "Why Socialism". Man, if people do not believe in the words of Albert Einstein, who wrote that article about the need of socialism to save this world. Then it means that people are suicidal and crazy.

Albert Einstein didn't write "Why capitalism with a human face" "Why social-democracy, with a capitalist system, free medical care and free colleges"

He wrote "Why socialism" and socialism is a dictatorship of the working class. In other words Einstein meant "Why a workers dictatorship"

Having said all this, I really don't understand why is there a deep phobia and hatred against pure marxism, leninism, the dictatorship of the proletariat (socialism) and the other basic theories of socialism and communism by the progressive liberal left and by the conspiracy theory activists like Alex Jones, and the 911 truth movement.


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[Tim Cornelis]

Why are people whose ideology is contrary to communism anti-communist? Because their ideology is contrary to communism.

(also, socialism is not a dictatorship of the working class)

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

Because progressives are only "progressive" within the confines of the bourgeois system.

[SwiftEscudo]

Because libertarians buy into the idea that 'revolutions don't work' and think that a worker's revolution would always lead to a dictatorship, they ignore the real issues that surrounded several revolutions and just think that revolution itself causes evil.

They also blame all of capitalism's problems on 'cronyism' or 'crony capitalism', the idea that the state helps build and support monopolies. And that the society we live in today, the 'cronyist' society, is the fault of socialism. Because apparently the state protecting and bolstering the capitalists somehow equates to socialism. Yeah...Not exactly logical.

[exeexe]

because they only want to reform the system, not make a revolution. And sometimes you can find people who are open for a revolution but the purpose of their revolution is not to change the system but to maintain it.

Because the libertarians who lived 300-400 years ago-ish knew that power corrupts so they allowed people to be able to make a revolution should the state violate its limitations. The amendments in the US constitution describes the limitations of the state

[#FF0000]

Why are people whose ideology is contrary to communism anti-communist? Because their ideology is contrary to communism.

(also, socialism is not a dictatorship of the working class)

Pretty much this.

And who cares what conspiracy theorists think?

[Per Levy]

USAneedsCommunism

oh hay trotskistmarx, was your last account banned again? i didnt even noticed.

as peeps have allready said the owners of those sites arnt communists and have a quite different class interest than proles do.


And who cares what conspiracy theorists think?

a lot of peeps on the internet do care apperantly. though most stay far away from those.

[Slavic]

Not to mention to most people communism = Stalin's Russia

[PhoenixAsh]

There is a fundamental concept everybody needs to understand:

While communism can be considered progressive; Progressivism =/= communism.

Being progressive says nothing at all about affiliation with revolutionary movements which in themselves can be quite conservative. Progressive is also an extremely broad brush label which heavily depends on context. And it is perfectly possible to be socially progressive and economically conservative or the other way around. And when we use the mainstream use of the word it by far is designed to indicate liberal bourgeois ideology.

What does indicate affiliation with revolutionary movements is class consciousness and using that consciousness to side with the class interests of the proletariat and opposing the bourgeois or petit-bourgeois....rather than just opposing certain aspects of bourgeois mentality and institutions. Which is in effect what these sites do.

As has been said. The economic interests of these sites and their operators are well within a capitalist system and a bourgeois state. They oppose certain aspects of haute-bourgeois domination within that system and the control they have over the means of production. This fits in neatly with petit-bourgeois mentality and class interests. PB's oppose certain aspects of the bourgeois class domination out of self-interest and endnorse the overall structure for exactly the same reason (because they exist by virtue of the capitalist system).

Also do not mistake similarities in arguments or ideology with similarities in class interests.

[USAneedsCommunism]

Well, the thing is that many even though many people call themselves leftists, and progressives intellectuals and writers claim that they are leftists, and they do admit in many of their writings that they are anti-capitalism, at the same time they are also anti-communism, anti-marxist theories. And that's why it i have a confusion of why many people who hate capitalism, corporations, Wall Street bankers, hate full marxism and the basic concepts, the basic foundations of socialism. Because I think that it is not right at all to hate corporations, wars, bankers and the 1% rich class and at the same time hate marxism.

From my own point of view I think that many of the progressive liberal writers like Amy Goodman, Chris Hedges, Juan Cole etc. are not full marxists is that they have many capitalist friends of the upper middle classes, and live upper middle class lifestyles, and they might have capitalist friends.




Why are people whose ideology is contrary to communism anti-communist? Because their ideology is contrary to communism.

(also, socialism is not a dictatorship of the working class)

[USAneedsCommunism]

I don't know what you are talking about, who is trotskistmarx. This is my first time in this website




oh hay trotskistmarx, was your last account banned again? i didnt even noticed.

[USAneedsCommunism]

Yes, and another thing worth mentioning is that many people out there without a realistic scientific worldview, want best of both worlds, a perfect world in every thing. And in this life there is nothing absolutely good and nothing totallhy perfect. So I think that people should have a lesser-evil realistic mentality for every thing. In the way we live we should live in a less-evil way, less painful way, and in choosing political systems, people should also pick a less-evil political system. And that's the problem of many americans. Many people in America love to point out the mistakes of the socialism marxism ideology, the "dictatorship" of revolutions, the "dictatorship" of Lincoln (Libertarians are anti-Lincoln). The "dictatorship" of the Cuban Revolution, the "dictatorship" of Hugo Chavez.

But they are so anti-realists, that they don't realize that when a sector of a country overthrows another sector of that country, and rises to government power. They necessarily have to install a military dictatorship (not against the 100% of the population in which they waged that political revolution. But a military dictatorship specifically aimed against the sector that was overthrown.

So libertarians, progressive liberals and independent americans jump to quick conclusions in claiming that Lincoln, Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro have been totalitarian dictators, and that revolutions require weapons, that weapons are evil, that blood is evil, assasinations are wrong. And that is better to live under Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton 2016-2020, than trying to destroy capitalism and replace it with socialism. Because political class revolutions are immoral, evil, requires evil weapons, evil inmmoral civil revolutionary wars. And peace with Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton as presidents 2015-2020, with apartments and houses at 1500 per month, electricity at 400 dollars per month. Medical treatments at 50,000 dollars, college professions at 30,000 dollars. Cars at 25,000 dollars. Than supporting a political revolution to destroy capitalism and replace it with a political system that would give americans free health care, cheap and/or free colleges, cheap food, cheap electricity.


There are lots of mental viruses in America, mental viruses like poor people are not supposed to envy the rich, the poor are not supposed to hate the rich, and americans are not supposted to hate the US government, and are not supposed to hate any thing. There is like a sort of scare-mongering of labeling people as crazy mass shooters like Adam Lanza and James Holmes, if they say that they hate the whole US government, if they hate Obama.

In America the word *hate* is totally twisted. Hating in the minds of many americans means an intention to kill somebody. So if you hate the owners of Wal Mart, you are a murderer that wants to kill the owners of Wal Mart.

I think that the problem of the progressive liberals, the anti-war libertarians and the conspiracy theorists of not supporting marxism. Is that marxism is a radical ideology, that preaches armed revolutions of oppressed sectors against oppressor sectors of any country. Marxism is too radical for the pacifist brains of millions of americans

And like i said about choosing the realistic lesser-evil option. Americans should support the lesser-evil political system. And the lesser-evil political system of all political systems is socialism and anarchist-communism. People in America should realize that as bad as socialism is. Socialism with all of its imperfections with free medical care and cheaper electricity and cheaper basic services is a lot better than capitalism with very expensive medical care, very expensive electricity, and very expensive basic needs


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Because libertarians buy into the idea that 'revolutions don't work' and think that a worker's revolution would always lead to a dictatorship, they ignore the real issues that surrounded several revolutions and just think that revolution itself causes evil.

They also blame all of capitalism's problems on 'cronyism' or 'crony capitalism', the idea that the state helps build and support monopolies. And that the society we live in today, the 'cronyist' society, is the fault of socialism. Because apparently the state protecting and bolstering the capitalists somehow equates to socialism. Yeah...Not exactly logical.

[Wuggums47]

The conspiracy theorists also think that I'm some sort of zionist lizard man, so I don't really care what they think.