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Shadow of A Bleeding Rose
31st January 2004, 06:50
Hello and good evening,

I am one who is very aware of this worlds horrid suffering. It is painfully obvious how great the divide between have and have nots are. But in this age of information a very unique opening has been created. The ability to control one financial destiny is possible. No longer are people in this country of the US can people be denied the opportunity to own anything they wish as long as they have the money. Anybody can buy stocks and real estate. What I propose is to teach the those of the lowest classes and areas to use their money to buy their own destiny. We can neither wait for a glorious revolution that would result in millions dead and an infurstructure horribly ruined. That the war to regain some order would proabably result in ambitious people attempting to take over this new stage. And its also obvious we cannot wait for this government to fail or lead to reforms that would bring many people to equality. Whether one likes it or not the world is capitalist. And everyone in this forum has used money at one time.

What I envision is the lowest classes taking control of their finances and investing small amount of money and slowly building their own assets. But one indivdual could probably amass enough through their own effort to buy maybe dinner. But if you bring a community together each with a small amount of money from their hard work they could create a coorporation. Buying up land, stocks, and other assets amassing capital and building it to the point where they can buy up their own communities leading to perhaps far more freedom then they would beleive possible. That perhaps the black community in south central LA is in control of its community and schools and even own real estate in the richest parts of Beverly Hills amounts to true economic power. Hence this community take care of its own and is afforded all of the tax break large coorporations have. The government could attempt to regulate these people and blantantly show its true face and perhaps sow the seeds of its own destruction. And if it does not then the poorest areas the voiceless of America would have the power to truely decide who run this country. Either slowly breaking the government down or creating a true peoples republic.

Now one could say that this really does not help the world and could perhaps be impossible with inflation. But I believe that either way you bring down the giant is perfect. What I mean is that if this all this capital gain and self reliance bring about the destruction of the economy of the greatest consumer in the world then one can rejoice perhaps. Now one can say that this does hurt the world because now more people have money would just an increasing wish to consume that which the world has. But really I believe if these communities form they would perhaps only circulate money among its self as to maintain its self. The community buying good from local stores and relying solely on its community. Beyond this if this sense of community and these new community powers ally themselves they could eassily help the poorest of other nations gain their own power, for once you bring together the once poor and distitue of the most powerful nation in the world, with true guidance then you easily can effect the world. No longer do you have big coorperation taking advantage of other peoples but you community cooporations helping these people find their own power helping to regulate and free this world of its sickening social bulemia. The possibility that such an idea backfiring is high given the human heart is fickle but truely there has to be change. We cannot let people wait for raises, welfare, government programs, or the spirit of revolution. This government will not help the people. The charities will not help the people. It is time the people help themselves and use their money to build their own strength.

As this world movement moves forward one could say the need for money would disapear as each nation is truely united. War becomes obsolete as there are no longer a need for the weak and the strong. Though my idea is over simplified and disgusting it is perhaps far more possible then relying on the world to jump to the conditions of revolution. For in the world money is the power. Not royal bloodlines, celebrities or even governments but money. Give the people the ability to wield this power and they can carve their own destiny. With this power they can destroy the cooperate monsters and kings of industry. The people dont need jobs, they need their own power.

Thank You, if you could help me refine this theory I would appriciate it.
Anthony Sierra

Xvall
31st January 2004, 07:26
Interesting.

Guest1
31st January 2004, 08:42
uhh... I didn't read it, even though I've read essay long posts before.

why? cause essay posts use paragraphs.

just my advice if you want it read by mor epeople, edit it and put some line spaces in there.

Hiero
31st January 2004, 08:49
That sounds to risky for a whole community or group of people to put money into a capatilsit system which doesnt work for the good of the common people. Workers have to work they dont have time for economic training. And i aggree with Che y Marijuana, towards the end i was only reading bits of it.

Shadow of A Bleeding Rose
31st January 2004, 19:08
That is true but one should consider that either way this capitalist system isnt going to do any good for the people. Waiting for social change in a greedy quickly globalizing world is much like waiting for rain in Hell. As for risk, well I feel its far more risky to put your fate into the hands of a person who cares about profits and not you. Workers arent going to get their rights. Look at the current strikes in California, these grocery workers have been sitting out there for more then 4 months and people regularly cross the picket lines. And perhaps in the end they may get concessions but they have been out of work only proveing to hurt their lives. I beleive worker right should continued to be fought for but I also beleive people should do their very best to gain their own power. And with a very biased media and deaf government protests and lobbying can only do so much. So its important that we not wait for the government to care and the rich to think beyond profits. As it stands the government needs it coorperate taxes and financial support. Cooperations have a responsibility to it investors.

BuyOurEverything
31st January 2004, 19:29
Well there a few major flaws I see with this idea. First, you would need a consensus within the community, as it wouldn't work if only some people participated. I could easily see this resulting in either intimidation or forced removal of people from their homes, or "purges" if you will. Second, most working class people don't, and never will, have enough money to buy up land, stocks, and other assets, seeing as they don't often even have enough to support themselves. Third, in order for this to work, everyone would have to buy only from stores in their community, but there wouldn't be a large or diverse enough workforce in any given community to provide all the neccessary goods to the stores and they would still have to rely on outside corporations. Fourthly, even if this someone did work, as soon as it got started, the FBI would destroy it. I think you're underestimating the power of government propagandha. They would probably either flood the community with cheap drugs, or accuse many people of dealing drugs, supporting terrorism, or somesuch bogus charge and take them out, destroying the community's leadership. We've seen this before.

redstar2000
1st February 2004, 13:31
It's a very old idea--at least as old as Marxism--and has actually been attempted in limited ways.

The nub of the problem is found in your statement "the world is capitalist".

An investment corporation owned by a large number of poor people would have to hire managers (or train their own). These folks, naturally imbued with pro-capitalist ideology, would seek to "make money" in the same ways that any other corporation makes money.

It would purchase an apartment building, for example, evict all the tenants, make some minor repairs, and re-open at rents that poor people couldn't afford.

Or purchase a "mom-and-pop" neighborhood grocery, shut it down, and lease the space to a "boutique" for a higher rent.

And, somewhere along the line, the managers would probably just steal the money...that's a typical business practice under capitalism.

A small number of poor people might ultimately benefit from such a scheme...in the larger picture there wouldn't be any visible impact at all.

The difficulties of proletarian revolution are so admittedly daunting that many pretty bright people have wracked their brains to come up with something "easier" or "more practical".

And who knows? Maybe someone will manage that someday. You never know.

But the idea of the working class "buying its way out of wage-slavery" is a non-starter.

Unless, of course, they could give up eating for a few decades and just buy stocks. :lol:

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