Hands off the Anti-Imperialist resistance in Iraq and the Levant!

[Tim Cornelis]

Hands off the Anti-Imperialist resistance in Iraq and the Levant!

We declare military support for the anti-imperialist struggle by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS). The ISIS is currently fighting the Russia, China (SCO)-backed and Iranian-backed Assad regime, the GCC-backed and Western-backed Syrian rebels, and the KRG-backed Kurdish rebels, with no foreign backing. While we oppose the bourgeois political positions of the ISIS, we acknowledge the objective progressive nature of their struggle against the imperialist forces of Iran, China, Russia, GCC, USA, and Iraq.
Stop the Imperialist Intervention, etc.

[Hrafn]

No no no. They're fighting Russian interests. So they can't be anti-imperialist. Russia is anti-imperialism. :crying:

[Sasha]

also you clearly have not been keeping up here with the anti-imp dogma's; armed muslims are always bad and should be talked about in terms straight out of the PVV dictionary unless they blow up israeli's or americans then they are automatically upgraded to heroic.
oh, and anti-deutschen are the only incoherent abomination on the left. :lol:

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Typical bakuninist hogwash, the conflict clearly takes on different characteristics based on which side of the border the fighters are on. Objectively speaking, those of us in the west committed stamping out imperialism must give support, of the critical variety of course, to all sides of the conflict based on various criteria. Jupiter is rising so it is reasonable that we support the political goals of ISIS in Syria while opposing them in Iraq, while at the same time throwing our much needed critical support behind their military efforts in that country. Surely time has run out for Maliki's filthy crypto-trot agenda.

[Devrim]

This is a shocking thread. The idea that the most important thing about this sort of event is the opportunity for Western leftists to mock other Western leftists about the positions they may take up is dilettantism gone wild.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

Devrim

[Sasha]

Iran moved troops in to Iraq beat ISIS back, whichever team Iran is on we should be on. All back to normal.

[Tim Cornelis]

Yes totally, y'all should

[Tim Cornelis]

Iran moved troops in to Iraq beat ISIS back, whichever team Iran is on we should be on. All back to normal.

but that's the same side usa is on

[Sasha]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5KQbD2fCCxw/Sajhf5A_35I/AAAAAAAACgs/p8Palnu5W9c/s400/%252379%2BCognitive%2BDissonance%2BMan.jpg

[Slavic]

This is a shocking thread. The idea that the most important thing about this sort of event is the opportunity for Western leftists to mock other Western leftists about the positions they may take up is dilettantism gone wild.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

Devrim


I thought that was the entire point to this forum. It it not about mocking other leftist's silly positions?

[TC]

I haven't been active enough in this forum of late to tell for sure which ridiculous statements are sarcastic or not. (the required level of activity being obsessive, constant, scholarly attention)

[adipocere]

Hands off the Anti-Imperialist resistance in Iraq and the Levant!

We declare military support for the anti-imperialist struggle by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS). The ISIS is currently fighting the Russia, China (SCO)-backed and Iranian-backed Assad regime, the GCC-backed and Western-backed Syrian rebels, and the KRG-backed Kurdish rebels, with no foreign backing. While we oppose the bourgeois political positions of the ISIS, we acknowledge the objective progressive nature of their struggle against the imperialist forces of Iran, China, Russia, GCC, USA, and Iraq.
Stop the Imperialist Intervention, etc.

Just disgusting.

[Tim Cornelis]

Just disgusting.

Disgusting why? Because you recognise yourself in it and don't like what you see? Good, because you are utterly disgusting. Stalinists like you should be 'demobilised' in a revolutionary situation as soon as possible.

Hands off the DPRK (http://www.revleft.com/vb/group.php?groupid=166). The arch-reactionary regime who inflicted more misery on humanity than ISIS could hope to dream of.

And you, good sir, have an avatar of Stalin. You are disgusting beyond what words can describe.

[TW]
http://rt.com/files/news/ukraine-s-new-take-on-holodomor-moscow-s-not-to-blame/golodomor-1.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3sZrJMJEakw/UM-87d02wiI/AAAAAAAAABQ/megzzj3Y9RM/s1600/holodomor_v1.jpg
http://www.themanyfacesofspaces.com/Katyn_massacre_19.jpg

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

I haven't been active enough in this forum of late to tell for sure which ridiculous statements are sarcastic or not. (the required level of activity being obsessive, constant, scholarly attention)

It's just the new TC and psycho crying because someone said mean things about the anti-Germans. 1/10 would not read again.

[Tim Cornelis]

It's just the new TC and psycho crying because someone said mean things about the anti-Germans. 1/10 would not read again.

You're just mad about how I exposed how your hysterical anti-Proudhonism has let you to call Marx a Proudhonist! Haha. The desperate attempts to front as more 'authentically Marxist' than everyone else has made you denounce Marx' "Proudhonism". You are ridiculous and pathological with your strawmanning. So now everyone time you see me commenting you feel the compulsion to make up another lie about my political positions to deflect from the fact that you called Marx a Proudhonist in order to denounce me for my Proudhonism, lelel. Really, it's just that you can't stand that I don't have absurd anti-socialist political positions so you need to constantly fabricate them. And I've seen you do this with many other revleft-users. It's more than a pattern at this point.

Anyway. This has nothing to do with Anti-germans or that anti-german thread. I am in no way sympathetic toward anti-germans, as you can see from me liking/thanking comments that say they are delusional, have liberal guilt, and are crazy. But you never let the truth bother you (see above).

[khad]

I thought that was the entire point to this forum. It it not about mocking other leftist's silly positions?
As long as we're keeping discourse here so incestuously self-referential, I would like to point out that the "liberation-islamism" thing has always been the intellectual baby and convenient strawman for those revleft forumgoers who style themselves as anti-anti-imperialists. (http://www.revleft.com/vb/muslim-brotherhoods-war-t174291/index.html?p=2495181#post2495181)


looking at egypt and gaza (the places where they are curently in power, and for the sake of argument i include hamas in the MB even when they are technically only aligned with them) as examples its pretty clear what the MB in most countries now stands for, moderate islamic (in context to most other political islamic groups) rightwing conservative capitalism.
to pretend that the MB will open the gates for saoedi or even taliban style sharia law and religious persecution is completely void of any realistic analysis.
all signs show they strive for the turkey model, conservatism & capitalism inside an rigged liberal "democracy" with a fineer of islamism to keep them in power and the peope subserviant.
and that, their capitalism and their reactionary viewpoint is what we should aim our arrows on, fighting against reactionism and capitalism is our fight and maybe it doesnt really exist yet but i can immagine "liberation-islamism" could become as much an ally to us as liberation theology was in latin america.

Revleft is forever a dog chasing its own tail.

[The Feral Underclass]

Revleft is forever a dog chasing its own tail.

Says the Global Moderator.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Plus that really doesn't fit with the standard characterization of sasha being a rabid Zionist. Nice try, but seriously don't let it happen again.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

Plus that really doesn't fit with the standard characterization of sasha being a rabid Zionist. Nice try, but seriously don't let it happen again.

I don't think psycho-Sasha is a Zionist, not anymore, but it wouldn't be the first time Zionists or the Israeli state would cooperate with "good" Islamists.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

It was a joke, Sasha gets called a Zionist on here pretty frequently

[ckaihatsu]

As long as we're keeping discourse here so incestuously self-referential, I would like to point out that the "liberation-islamism" has always been the intellectual baby and convenient strawman for those revleft forumgoers who style themselves as anti-anti-imperialists. (http://www.revleft.com/vb/muslim-brotherhoods-war-t174291/index.html?p=2495181#post2495181)


'Convenient babies' -- ??? 'Intellectual strawmen' -- ? -- !

What's going on with these mixed metaphors you're attempting to employ, khad?

I *was* going to do a mostly-perfunctory 'thanks' on your post, but these things are downright distracting...(!)

So so-called 'liberation Islamism' can be an 'intellectual baby', in the sense of an expected *progeny* of the anti-anti-imperialists, but how could it get to a *strawman* from there, in the sense of a fake and easily-defeated *opponent* -- ?

I agree, though, *this* is shocking:





[B]ut i can immagine "liberation-islamism" could become as much an ally to us as liberation theology was in latin america.


All I can muster is that someone was playing with dialectics and didn't know what they were getting into....

[Alexios]

the fuck is even going on anymore

[ckaihatsu]

Iran moved troops in to Iraq beat ISIS back, whichever team Iran is on we should be on. All back to normal.





but that's the same side usa is on


1. The U.S.A. is protecting its oil in Iraq -- that's why ISIS is supported in attacking Assad but is corralled in its ambition for Iraq.

2. Iran itself would be threatened by any nascent 'caliphate' around there, so there on that one -- the U.S. thing is just incidental.

[Tim Cornelis]

1. The U.S.A. is protecting its oil in Iraq -- that's why ISIS is supported in attacking Assad but is corralled in its ambition for Iraq.

Wha'? That's news to me, the USA is supporting ISIS in Syria?

[ckaihatsu]

Wha'? That's news to me, the USA is supporting ISIS in Syria?


The most I can say is that there are severe suspicions, and we know certainly that the U.S. does overt 'soft' funding for the "moderate" Syrian opposition, which, along with funds and/or weapons from GCC nations, is known to wind up in Islamist opposition hands, like ISIS.

[Tim Cornelis]

The most I can say is that there are severe suspicions, and we know certainly that the U.S. does overt 'soft' funding for the "moderate" Syrian opposition, which, along with funds and/or weapons from GCC nations, is known to wind up in Islamist opposition hands, like ISIS.

Well officially the US administration of Obama has provided non-lethal aid to 'moderate' groups, which it then ceased as extremist groups got a hold of it, and has since been resumed. However, ISIS is at war with FSA/Islamic Front/Jabat al-Nusra so I very much doubt the US is giving aid ISIS in any way. Otherwise, we might as well say that the US-supplied Iraqi Army humvees seized by ISIS in its conquest is "aid" or something....

[The Intransigent Faction]

Well officially the US administration of Obama has provided non-lethal aid to 'moderate' groups, which it then ceased as extremist groups got a hold of it, and has since been resumed. However, ISIS is at war with FSA/Islamic Front/Jabat al-Nusra so I very much doubt the US is giving aid ISIS in any way. Otherwise, we might as well say that the US-supplied Iraqi Army humvees seized by ISIS in its conquest is "aid" or something....

As well as weapons, after initial reluctance (this has been pretty widely reported).

As I've said elsewhere, I haven't seen evidence that ISIS was among those directly armed by the US. It certainly wouldn't be surprising if some weapons ended up in their hands in the same way the Humvees did, though.

Whether they were directly armed by the U.S. or captured U.S. weaponry is worth noting, but either possibility shouldn't distract from the point that arms shouldn't be sent to these places to begin with.

Also, this is probably the most serious thread I've seen in Chit-Chat, and it makes me wonder whether to ask a serious question.

[Sasha]

lol: http://www.revleft.com/vb/rcit-iraq-defend-t189423/index.html?t=189423

[DOOM]

also you clearly have not been keeping up here with the anti-imp dogma's; armed muslims are always bad and should be talked about in terms straight out of the PVV dictionary unless they blow up israeli's or americans then they are automatically upgraded to heroic.
oh, and anti-deutschen are the only incoherent abomination on the left. :lol:

Zionists, they mean Zionists!!11! cuz you know, they are TOTALLY not antisemitic!1!

This support for so called "anti-imperialist struggles" is pathetic and blatantly unreflected.

[adipocere]

... so I very much doubt the US is giving aid ISIS in any way. Otherwise, we might as well say that the US-supplied Iraqi Army humvees seized by ISIS in its conquest is "aid" or something....

That is precisely what it is - the Iraq army all but gift wrapped it. Seems rather practical really.

[The Intransigent Faction]

Zionists, they mean Zionists!!11! cuz you know, they are TOTALLY not antisemitic!1!

This support for so called "anti-imperialist struggles" is pathetic and blatantly unreflected.

With all due respect, shove off. It's one thing to be an apologist for Israel. Accusing other members, even indirectly, of anti-Semitism on the flimsy basis that they criticize both the racist ideology and foundations and genocidal behaviour of Israel is not only a strawperson argument, it is flamebaiting that deserves at least some sort of warning.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

the fuck is even going on anymore

Tim is going all hard and aggro and it's pretty funny/awesome. Oh and TAT made a funny. That's what I've got out of this thread anyway. I wish we were talking about the goddess Isis tho instead. :(

[Luís Henrique]

This is a shocking thread. The idea that the most important thing about this sort of event is the opportunity for Western leftists to mock other Western leftists about the positions they may take up is dilettantism gone wild.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

Devrim

Devrim, when we have a thread about cannibalism (http://www.revleft.com/vb/cannibalism-t189526/index.html?t=189526) in learning, and admins and mods don't have the resolve to even move it to chit-chat, this kind of shit isn't really shocking anymore.

Luís Henrique

[ckaihatsu]

cannibalism


It's been attempted in the World Cup...!





Around the 79th minute with the score at 0–0, Suárez clashed with Italian defender Giorgio Chiellini while waiting for a cross. Replays showed that Suárez lunged at Chiellini and bit his shoulder




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Su%C3%A1rez#2014_FIFA_World_Cup


(grin)