All psychedelic experiences ruined by one bad trip?

[Skyhilist]

SWIM used mushrooms for the first time back in March, taking 5g of powdered Psylocybe cubensis in lemon juice. While the trip started out well, SWIM had taken way too much, and it turned into one of the most terrifying experiences of SWIM's life.

Last night SWIM took half a pill of some pretty strong XTC, combined with a bowl of weed. SWIM found it very euphoric and delightful at first, but then later on, one of the worst parts of SWIM's mushroom experience manifested itself again - SWIMs entire body felt like it was about to puke mushrooms and like small spherical pieces were being scooped away from SWIM's body simultaneously. Needless to say, this is pretty distressing, and when continued and made even slightly worse was more than enough to ruin SWIM's XTC experience.

Does this mean that all psychedelic experiences in the future are essentially poisoned for SWIM? Is it likely that no matter what psychedelic SWIM takes in the future the bad aspects of SWIM's mushroom trip will manifest themselves, destroying any hopes of ever having a good trip? SWIM was surprised at how strongly these effects came on even in a drug like XTC that is only weakly psychedelic, and is worried that his foolish dosing mistake from mushrooms this March has completely ruined the potential for emotional growth and positive tripping on psychedelics in the future. Is this likely to be the case? Can anyone weigh in on this?

SWIM's personal thoughts are this: the awful feelings that re-appeared on MDMA from SWIMs mushroom trip back in March necessarily relate to his body feeling very unpleasant. The only way around this then on psychedelics might be for SWIM to use a psychedelic where SWIM feels that he has no body - namely DMT. Other than at least seeing if he can have a constructive and emotionally fulfilling trip on DMT, SWIM thinks it might be best to just stop using drugs entirely, since most other experiences besides weed (which SWIM has decided he's not personally a huge fan of now anyways) will likely be tainted or ruined due to SWIMs grave dosing error on mushrooms this March.

Do you all think that this is the best course of action? If not, what should SWIM do? How likely is it that any possibility of a positive trip on psychedelics has been completely destroyed for SWIM?

[Jimmie Higgins]

They should take a break for a while maybe. I had a wonderful...ohshit, now horrifying... Trip after taking way too much... and afterwards for weeks even drinking or smoking weed would sometimes bring back feelings like I was about to slip back into the bad trip space. I thought I would never do anything like that agin, but after a year I did, with a fair amount of caution. Since enough time had passed and I took a very moderate amount in a good situation with lots of friends, the trip was fine and then my anxieties also went away and I no longer feared that I would suddenly go back into that bad trip.

But I would say that they should lay off the shrooms, maybe anything stronger than a drink for a while... It's not good to do e more than once a month anyway. They should try not to stress over it and worry that they'll repeat anytime they do anything like that ( because if they are fixated in that way, it will be a self-fulfilling prophecy). And if they still worry about it months later, then maybe just hang up the saddle. I don't fear having a bad trip anymore, but I haven't done anything like that for a long time just because of the time commitment:lol:. I'd need to have a long vacation or become independently wealth for a 8-12 hour trip and a day after to recover to sound like a practical option!:lol:

[Skyhilist]

That is very good advice, thank you.

SWIM wasn't consciously worried about having a bad experience with the e last night but thinks now that he might have been on a subconscious/subliminal level. From your experience, is there anyway SWIM might be able to tell in the future whether they might still be subconsciously worried about a bad trip so that they can decide whether it is safe to try tripping again with caution and figure out whether or not the time is right?

[PhoenixAsh]

Every time a bad trip is experienced is strengthening subconscious fears. So that is very likely to happen. Unless the experience is consciously good. So if SWIM wants that...he needs to consciously increase the pleasurable side of the experience. Mood, setting, safety measures, company etc.

[Conscript]

People use SWIM outside of like drugs.com forums? lol

I have no idea how you ruined xtc for yourself, but I've had bad trips on other drugs and had no issue with it. Biggest problem with E is getting depressed easily, especially when you realize it's ending.

Also, do an 8th next time at the most (preferably split it with someone else), not 5g.

Then there's the fact you need to get over it. A bad trip is just a bad trip, and you weren't even on acid. It's in your mind, and not real. Do it with other people too.

[exeexe]

What is a SWIM?
edit: uuh ok
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=swim

[Lily Briscoe]

As somebody else said, take a break. Seems pretty obvious. You're talking about a bad trip in March, as in this past March, i.e. three months ago lol? Obviously give it a rest for awhile...(and if you can't do MDMA of all things without having a bad experience, I would completely, completely rule out any thought of doing DMT anytime in the near future...)

[Skyhilist]

The term "swim" was used because I wasn't sure if not usin something along those lines would violate any forum rules.

Seriously though wtf is wrong with me if I even have a bad time on e? It wasn't even a bad setting, I was with one of my best friends and there was virtually no risk of getting caught. Ugh. Maybe it ends up I'm just a really fucked up person psychologically. Who knows. Probably will lay off all drugs for at least a year at any rate.

[Brosa Luxemburg]

This shits different for everyone but this will pass, and probably quicker than you'll think. I only know one person who had such a bad trip they never did shit again. You'll probably take a few weeks of a break and then be back to smoking weed and tripping and whatever else you crazy kids do.

[exeexe]

Also that trip didnt sound too bad. Was it better to wake up to a capitalistic dominated world?

[Loony Le Fist]

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Do you all think that this is the best course of action? If not, what should SWIM do? How likely is it that any possibility of a positive trip on psychedelics has been completely destroyed for SWIM?

I have a good feeling that SWIM will be fine. For now they just need to take a hiatus from the stuff and let everything clear. I can't really tell how negative of an experience they had based on the description. If it was something particularly bad, I'd suggest a quarter to half a year of a break. They ought to keep themselves as occupied as possible, and put away all their paraphernalia from sight if feasible.

Also, they ought to eat as many foods with serotonin precursors as they can. Dairy is probably one of the best for this. One can get 5-HTP supplements as well, which will help to recover their serotonin levels, get their mood regulated and their sleep patterns back to normal.

[Os Cangaceiros]

If you do decide to take psychedelic hallucinogens again, maybe keep a couple benzodiazepines and/or mood-stabilizers on hand in case the going gets rough.