Solidarity with the anti-fascist resistance in ukraine

[Nico]

On Saturday 7th June, 1pm, we will be standing outside the GPO in Dublin in solidarity with the anti-fascist resistance in Ukraine.

The people of eastern Ukraine are in a fierce struggle against a Western backed fascist junta, spearheaded by a newly imposed oligarchic president who is ready and willing to do the dirty work of the IMF, at the behest of Washington and Brussels.

Innocent men, women and children are being butchered by fascist militias, all the while the main stream media continues to turn its head away while fabricating propaganda and lies to suit their Western Imperialist narrative.

Join us in SOLIDARITY with the Anti-fascist Resistance in Ukraine!

All placards and banners welcome!

No Pasarán!


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[tuwix]

Great! But those anti-fascist groups in Eastern Ukraine are sponsored by Russian military support and Russia is governed by Putin in pretty fascist way too...

[renalenin]

How do we know that the support for the Donbass and Donetsk peoples republic which is coming from Russia is Putin supported? Do we know for sure that Putin and his oligarch buddies are in control of the soldiers who are assisting in East Ukraine? Could it be opposed to Putin even? Or is it more complex? Nobody likes Nazis.

[Hrafn]

The supposed "anti-Fascist resistance in Eastern Ukraine" that you so adore is Fascist to the bone. It is ultra-nationalist, it is separatist, it is ethnically supremacist, it is far-right, it is anti-democratic, it is clerical Fascist. The "West Ukraine" side is just as Fascist as the "East Ukraine" side, and by taking sides you have made yourself no comrade of mine. You are, knowingly or unknowingly, a Fascist collaborator, and a proxy in an imperialist war. You are a plague upon the Ukrainian and Russian working class, and a hinderance to the international worker's movement.

I'll give some quick examples of this, using primarily pro-Russian sources which you shills can't dismiss as Western propaganda.. On your flyer, you combine your own starry plough flag with the banner of the Donetsk People's Republic. Notice the Imperial Russian eagle, the imperial-clerical cross-bearing orb, the armoured and warlike Archangel Michael, and the rather indicative text "Donetskaya Rus".

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Flag_of_the_Donetsk_People%27s_Republic.svg/500px-Flag_of_the_Donetsk_People%27s_Republic.svg.png

The leader of your friends the DPR is Pavel Gubarev. Pavel Yurevich Gubarev (born 10 February 1983) is "People's Governor" of the Donetsk People's Republic, and the commander of the Donbass People's Militia. His wife, Ekaterina Gubareva, is the Minister of Foreign Affairs for the DPR.

Politically, Gubarev was before the crisis a member of the Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Socialist_Party_of_Ukraine), a supposedly Communist party that advocates pan-Slavism and supports Vladimir Putin to the fullest. Before that, he was a member of Russian National Unity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity), a Russian Neo-Nazi paramilitary organization. This is confirmed in this (http://rt.com/news/154872-gubarev-protest-ukraine-slavyansk/) Russia Today article, among other sources. One example of RNU's actions can be found in this (http://voiceofrussia.com/2010/05/14/7866710/) Voice of Russia article. On May 13, he - among with other far-right Russians - founded the New Russia Party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Russia_Party). More on that later.

http://onceuponatimeinthewest1.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/pavel-gubarev.jpg

Below are photographs showing the Fascist Gubarev attending a Russian National Unity gathering, dressed in full paramilitary regalia.

http://maidantranslations.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/10014643_527586280691470_557791870_n.jpg
Front row, third from the left.

http://maidantranslations.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/1911989_527586287358136_1797785759_n.jpg

Other highlights in the Donest People's Republic's leadership include Alexander Borodai, a Fascist travelling agitator. Being born and bred in Moscow, Borodai is not from the Donbass - in fact, he also attended the separation of Crimea, serving the separatists there as well. He is today the Prime Minister of the DPR, and frequently quoted in for example Voice of Russia. I'll let Wikipedia speak for itself:


In the 1990s he edited a Russian far-right nationalist newspaper Zavtra (Завтра -"Tomorrow"), run by the anti-semitic and Stalinist journalist Alexander Prokhanov.

In December 2011, Borodai and Prokhanov co-founded the "patriotic" Web TV channel Den-TV (“Day”). Den-TV's programming has regularly included Konstantin Dushenov, who has previously been imprisoned for anti-semitic incitement. Dushenov's conviction stemmed from the authoring of an anti-semitic video series entitled "Russia With a Knife in its Back: Jewish Fascism and the Genocide of the Russian People" and the publishing of extremist articles.

In this (http://nsn.fm/2014/05/20/e-kspert-prem-er-ministrom-dnr-stal-zaby-ty-j-v-rossii-marginal/) (Russian-language) National News Service article, Prokhanov proclaims Borodai a true White Russian nationalist.

http://ww1.hdnux.com/photos/30/23/57/6372308/5/628x471.jpg
Borodai to the right, to the left the financial scammer and DPR president Denis Pushilin.

I can only post rather short posts at a time while I'm on a mobile device, after a certain length it becomes very complicated and messy. Will post more damning information regarding the Donetsk People's Republic later.

[Rurkel]

I wouldn't call the anti-Kiev resistance in DNR "fascist to the bone", and the flag is more generically pro-Russian nationalist (the eagle, for instance, is still on Russia's coat of arms), rather then fascist, but yeah, people like Boroday and Gubarev are indeed far-righty, and very likely fascist, types.

No one should deny that Kiev promotes nationalist aggression, that it uses fascist paramilitaries in its "anti-terrorist operation" in Donetsk, that it eagerly cooperates with the Ukrainian fascists in order to repress dissent against it. But glorifying the anti-Kiev resistance, while not mentioning its own high-placed fascists, or attempting to handwave them away, is highly dishonest.

[Hrafn]

I wouldn't call the anti-Kiev resistance in DNR "fascist to the bone", and the flag is more generically pro-Russian nationalist (the eagle, for instance, is still on Russia's coat of arms), rather then fascist, but yeah, people like Boroday and Gubarev are indeed far-righty, and very likely fascist, types.

No one should deny that Kiev promotes nationalist aggression, that it uses fascist paramilitaries in its "anti-terrorist operation" in Donetsk, that it eagerly cooperates with the Ukrainian fascists in order to repress dissent against it. But glorifying the anti-Kiev resistance, while not mentioning its own high-placed fascists, or attempting to handwave them away, is highly dishonest.

The flag characteristics was more a sidenote than any evidence of Fascism.

The second paragraph of your post is exactly what I hope to see from more people here.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

What exactly is the "sovietism" that the people holding the banner are calling for? Also what is the origin of that one picture with the dudes standing in front of the flag with Antifa stenciled on it, whenever the character of the separatists is called into question its always just that one photo that is produced to reassure everybody that they are supposedly all antifascists.

It reminds me of the one single tank during the air war in Libya that the western press would always photograph to give the impression that the rebels consisted of an entire armored column or something instead of presenting the reality that it really was just one individual tank with 10 dudes riding around in the desert accomplishing nothing.

[Hrafn]

What exactly is the "sovietism" that the people holding the banner are calling for? Also what is the origin of that one picture with the dudes standing in front of the flag with Antifa stenciled on it, whenever the character of the separatists is called into question its always just that one photo that is produced to reassure everybody that they are supposedly all antifascists.

It reminds me of the one single tank during the air war in Libya that the western press would always photograph to give the impression that the rebels consisted of an entire armored column or something instead of presenting the reality that it really was just one individual tank with 10 dudes riding around in the desert accomplishing nothing.

Very interesting photo indeed. Here's some random fun photos for you all while I write up another post.

http://i.imgur.com/aikCE39.jpg
February 2014. Banner carries Fascist symbolism, and the Italian Fascist slogan "Molti nemici, molto onore"


http://i.imgur.com/NogGv6E.jpg
April 2014. Black and yellow flag in the back is that of the National Bolshevik and Fascist thinker Aleksandr Dugin and his Neo-Eurasianist movement. (Here is Dugin with some of the flags himself) (http://southernnationalist.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Dugin.jpg). We'll return to him later.


http://i.imgur.com/yP9U3Mz.jpg
February 2012. Pre-dates the DPR by far of course, but it's the same movement. The black and white banner is that of "Russkiy Obraz", a Fascist group linked with Obraz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obraz_(organization)), a banned "Orthodox clero-fascist, neo-nazi and racist" group.


http://i.imgur.com/xVJBzpv.jpg
November 2013. A bit closer to our date. Donetsk flag in upper right corner. Neo-Eurasianist flag in the back. Numerous Tsarist white, yellow and black banners used almost universally by the Russian far-right.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

The supposed "anti-Fascist resistance in Eastern Ukraine" that you so adore is Fascist to the bone. It is ultra-nationalist, it is separatist, it is ethnically supremacist, it is far-right, it is anti-democratic, it is clerical Fascist. The "West Ukraine" side is just as Fascist as the "East Ukraine" side, and by taking sides you have made yourself no comrade of mine. You are, knowingly or unknowingly, a Fascist collaborator, and a proxy in an imperialist war. You are a plague upon the Ukrainian and Russian working class, and a hinderance to the international worker's movement.

I agree that, the status of Crimea having been resolved, neither of the two opposing camps in the Ukraine deserve our support. But it is slightly troubling that you list "separatism" among the various faults of the "East Ukraine" camp. Separatism is not negative - nor is it positive for that matter. The bourgeois Ukrainian state is not sacred, and if it stays intact or is carved into seventy new states is no concern of ours.

More troubling is that you are talking about neutrality now, but you and certain other users cheered on Euromaidan, posted statements by the police-"autonomist" AWU, aligned with the Kiev government, and so on. What does that make you, by your own admission?


I'll give some quick examples of this, using primarily pro-Russian sources which you shills can't dismiss as Western propaganda.. On your flyer, you combine your own starry plough flag with the banner of the Donetsk People's Republic. Notice the Imperial Russian eagle, the imperial-clerical cross-bearing orb, the armoured and warlike Archangel Michael, and the rather indicative text "Donetskaya Rus".

I realise this is not relevant to your larger point, but "Rus'" doesn't mean "Russia", it means, well, Rus', or Ruthenia. The Kievan Rus' has more to do with modern Ukraine than Russia. And the "armoured, warlike" archangel Michael is used on the flag of Kiev - in fact as I recall it this was the case even in Soviet times.

[DOOM]

http://i.imgur.com/yP9U3Mz.jpg
February 2012. Pre-dates the DPR by far of course, but it's the same movement. The black and white banner is that of "Russkiy Obraz", a Fascist group linked with Obraz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obraz_(organization)), a banned "Orthodox clero-fascist, neo-nazi and racist" group.


http://i.imgur.com/xVJBzpv.jpg
November 2013. A bit closer to our date. Donetsk flag in upper right corner. Neo-Eurasianist flag in the back. Numerous Tsarist white, yellow and black banners used almost universally by the Russian far-right.

I see, this donetskaya respublika idea seems like something that predates all these protests in Ukraine.
Seems liket it's not the anti-imperialist reaction to the ukrainian-imperialist aggression, huh?:laugh:

[Hrafn]

I agree that, the status of Crimea having been resolved, neither of the two opposing camps in the Ukraine deserve our support. But it is slightly troubling that you list "separatism" among the various faults of the "East Ukraine" camp. Separatism is not negative - nor is it positive for that matter. The bourgeois Ukrainian state is not sacred, and if it stays intact or is carved into seventy new states is no concern of ours.

More troubling is that you are talking about neutrality now, but you and certain other users cheered on Euromaidan, posted statements by the police-"autonomist" AWU, aligned with the Kiev government, and so on. What does that make you, by your own admission?

I don't have any issues with separatism, unlike other people. I tend to have very romanticized views about the Basques, the Northern Irish, and so on. However, inthe case of East Ukraine, I've noticed that a lot of people refuse to acknowledge the separatist nature of the separatists, holding them to be "federalists" or just plain intra-Ukrainian democrats.

I don't recall posting statements by the, from what I can tell, deeply rotten AWU. I likewise don't recall ever supporting the Euromaidan, which I held to be bourgeois and partially Fascist from the start. If you think otherwise, please point out when I did so, so that I can stand corrected.


I realise this is not relevant to your larger point, but "Rus'" doesn't mean "Russia", it means, well, Rus', or Ruthenia. The Kievan Rus' has more to do with modern Ukraine than Russia. And the "armoured, warlike" archangel Michael is used on the flag of Kiev - in fact as I recall it this was the case even in Soviet times.

I have never argued it meant Russia. As a Norse history buff, I'm well aware of the Rus, Kievan and otherwise. As for the Archangel Michael, I don't quite see your point. I haven't argued it is in any way an unique thing to use Eastern Orthodox symbolism.

[Hrafn]

I see, this donetskaya respublika idea seems like something that predates all these protests in Ukraine.
Seems liket it's not the anti-imperialist reaction to the ukrainian-imperialist aggression, huh?:laugh:

The organization, not self-proclaimed state, of "Donetsk Republic" was founded in 2005. It was banned in 2007. I'm sure the movement existed prior to that as well.

[Tim Cornelis]

On Saturday 7th June, 1pm, we will be standing outside the GPO in Dublin in solidarity with the anti-fascist resistance in Ukraine.

The people of eastern Ukraine are in a fierce struggle against a Western backed fascist junta, spearheaded by a newly imposed oligarchic president who is ready and willing to do the dirty work of the IMF, at the behest of Washington and Brussels.

Innocent men, women and children are being butchered by fascist militias, all the while the main stream media continues to turn its head away while fabricating propaganda and lies to suit their Western Imperialist narrative.


This whole post is highly ironic.

>Western backed fascist junta, spearheaded by a newly imposed oligarchic president

It's a Western-backed fascist junta headed by a liberal civilian president… Then by definition it's not a fascist junta!

> fabricating propaganda and lies to suit their Western Imperialist narrative.

And ironically, the notion of 'fascist junta' is a fabrication and propaganda to suit the Russian imperialist narrative. There is worrying involvement of fascists, but it's by no means a fascist dictatorship or junta. Right Sector has denounced the current regime, saying it betrayed them or their goals.