Facebookisation

[Zukunftsmusik]

Is it just me or has the amount of one-liners, content-less comments, pictures and so on increased in the political sections of the forum lately? People who bother to write one-word comments in order to simply correct people's spelling, people who basically have a chat with one other user instead of taking that to appropriate places (don't we even have a chat function? or is it taken down again?) and so on. Revleft has never really been the High Temple of Knowledge, so this "Facebookisation" or Tendency of the Quality of Posts to Fall is not something that worries me, as much as it annoys me: loads of one-liners, in-jokes and so on to wade through in threads that are otherwise interesting. This is a proposition for it to stop, or at least for people to think through/discuss their manner of posting, or discuss whether or not I'm overreacting.

If people feel hit by the description above, don't. These were just examples that came to me while writing this. Or, at least feel hit only to the extent that you try to think through how you post. I'm probably guilty for some of this as well.

[Remus Bleys]

yes
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and don't lie you are shaming them to stop. which they should, its like people never learned to simply go "should I post what I just said, or should I retain a sense of self-dignity." This fucking idea that you can just do anything, and when they get called out on it, simply going "its the internet" or "lol youre butthurt." Like all basic human contact is shunned in the name of the virtual community, inherently atomizing, because instead of engaging with someone, you can just troll and hide behind the wall of anonymity as if that makes one unaccountable for the things one says, as if they don't have to stand by it. When you get called out, don't critically engage! LOL ITS THE INTERNET!
Admittedly its fun to do, but there is a time and a place, a certain prowess. People have not seemed to learn when it is appropriate, but likewise - people haven't even seemed to learn how to do it well. When someone is "convinced" they are trolling or just go out of their way to backtrack and go "im just trolling, calm down it is the internet" are really displaying one of the most infuriating cop outs, acting like they are immune, and in a sense, worshipping "anti-intellectualism."
Since facebook hashtags now, why not revleft? #RealDominationOfCapital
edit 2: "these fucking idiotic petty-bourgeois entitled, childish, post-modernist bullshitting, immature, self obssesed, moronic, narcissist fucks who have somehow fucked up and became the internet generation that knows no shame"

[Rosa Partizan]

yes, you're overreacting. Especially compared to other boards, this board has a pretty high posting quality and low spam amount. And I know that you're partly referring to that WC thread, which I don't give a fuck about, since it's "just" sports and I don't know why anyone should take such a thread super seriously. There are things that are far more annoying than oneliners, i.e. misogynist, cryptofascist etc. trolls.

[motion denied]

Agree with OP and Remus.

But I don't think it's that common.


Tendency of the Quality of Posts to Fall

Nice.

[Remus Bleys]

Oh shuttup. You are an anti-german, bourgeois-feminist, anti-communist who posts on this forum to do what? To lord over women as if you are so much better, to show them the light of "real liberation" because you simply know everything about them?
You want to talk about reactionary ideology? SOLIDARITY WITH ISRAEL! SOLIDARITY WITH ISRAEL!
I mean, for god's sake, you are part of the problem, always making these threads where you will stop and basically chat with "certain" (we all know who I am referencing) users on topics completely off topic, full of inane, and useless comments

edit: this was to roza

[Zukunftsmusik]

yes, you're overreacting. Especially compared to other boards, this board has a pretty high posting quality and low spam amount.

Yes, generally I agree that the posting quality is pretty high. I don't deny that. My point is more that this seems to be a growing tendency, be it among a minority of the users, and that it seems less frowned upon than a while ago. Just because the quality is higher than most other forums, there is no reason to drag this quality down. But I don't agree with the following:


And I know that you're partly referring to that WC thread, which I don't give a fuck about, since it's "just" sports and I don't know why anyone should take such a thread super seriously. There are things that are far more annoying than oneliners, i.e. misogynist, cryptofascist etc. trolls.

Yeah, it's "just" sports. However, the board has rules about one liners, what is chit-chat material and what is not. Some of the posts in that thread are (by my unqualified non-mod understanding) chit-chat material, and yes, you're guilty of making some of those posts (but so is, ironically, Arbeitskraft, actually (at least once)). The last part is of course obvious. But, in contrast to those who post in chit-chat manners, fascists, misogynists and trolls (generally) get the correct consequences.


Nice.

Thanks. It was a product of my slight tipsy-ness.

[Rosa Partizan]

aggressive much? :laugh: you're welcome to show me only ONE anti-communist post I made, most certainly you won't find one because I don't tend to get into discussions I don't feel I have deep enough knowledge for and this is something that I cleared out months ago. I'm here for discussions about feminism, racism and any other social matters. You don't like my opinion about prostitution, that's fine, but I find it pathetic that you would call me bourgeois when at the same time, I didn't get at anyone with terms like sexist, misogynist or anything, just because I didn't like their more "pro-prostitution" stance. In political threads, you won't find me chitchatting, but nice try to discredit me, the same way you tried to discredit bad grrrl just because her writing of "woman/womyn" doesn't please you. As for Israel and being Anti-German, I don't like a huge amount of Israeli politics, but at the same time, I don't like the usual left onesidedness when it comes to judging Israel. This is why to non-German leftists, I will always appear more pro-Israel than I actually am, and I do this quite intentionally, because I enjoy morons like yourself freaking out over it, over every Israeli flag they see, goddamn it's so funny :laugh:

[RedWorker]

What the hell is a burgeois feminist?
A feminist who owns private property and uses it to exploit workers?
Amazing what stupid stuff people come up with in this forum. Reminds me of these so-called "communist" parties years ago that declared "homosexuality is a burgeois ideology" or something like that.

[Dr Doom]

What the hell is a burgeois feminist?
A feminist who owns private property and uses it to exploit workers?
Amazing what stupid stuff people come up with in this fourm. Reminds me of these so-called "communist" parties years ago that declared "homosexuality is a burgeois ideology" or something like that.

bourgeois feminism = liberal feminism. basically.

[Rosa Partizan]

liberal feminism is not anti-prostitution, rather the contrary, so if he intended to call me a liberal feminist, this was some pretty big fail.

[The Intransigent Faction]

I'm definitely guilty of this sometimes. I guess I tend to go on rants when I really let loose, so sometimes I swing back too far in the other direction, but whatever.

"Facebookisation" is probably going too far, though. You have no idea what sort of insipid garbage gets on Facebook. This place is a haven by comparison. I'm sure I'm partially guilty because I don't always act as the counterbalance---though one simply cannot argue with every reactionary post online, nor should one try to do so.

Forums as a medium tend to have a wide-ranging quality of posts, at least as far as I've seen. Not every post will contain the most insightful thoughts each user has ever had (I wish I could be "on" all the time, but I sure as hell am not and don't always meet my own standard let alone others').

Maybe I've been looking in the wrong places, but I haven't seen more than possibly one or two posts made for the sole purpose of spellchecking.

There's some validity to what you're saying, I'm sure. I just wouldn't worry too much. I did have a good laugh at "Tendency of the Quality of Posts to Fall", though.

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

I will always appear more pro-Israel than I actually am, and I do this quite intentionally, because I enjoy morons like yourself freaking out over it, over every Israeli flag they see, goddamn it's so funny :laugh:
So you're admitting to being a troll on that issue.

[Remus Bleys]

What the hell is a burgeois feminist?
A feminist who owns private property and uses it to exploit workers?
Amazing what stupid stuff people come up with in this forum. Reminds me of these so-called "communist" parties years ago that declared "homosexuality is a burgeois ideology" or something like that.
I didn't make up the term... Bourgeois feminism was talked about by WOMEN in the SOCIALIST MOVEMENT since at least the early 1900s. The most notable ones that come to mind who derided and attacked bourgeois-feminists were Rosa Luxemburg and Alexandra Kollontai... who were both extremely for women's liberation, stating that it was a cornerstone that socialism would have to solve or that socialism would fail.
If anything, I am more "lenient" towards feminism then these two women were, as I don't think that the "feminist movement" inherently does anything to strengthen the hold of capital over female members of the working class, normalizing women into the community of capital, nor necessarily serving purely the interests of bourgeois women.
As you can see, I did not make this up, and likewise it is not based in misogyny - the criticism of bourgeois-feminism is not that it liberates women, the criticism of bourgeois-feminism is that it does NOT liberate women, it simply assures of their total enslavement by capital.
Honestly, and this has abeen pointed out by other users, your posts have contained such fundamental errors that it would appear to be willful ignorance - that you are a troll, which is what this thread is about.

Nice to see that twit Ace Steel thanked your post. Wonder when he's going to get over his "anti-'Remus Bleys'" stint. And if it is not a stint then it merely represents, once again, his mediocrity in regards to communist theory - yet he still prattles on like he knows what he is talking about. Which is it Ace, are you intellectually dishonest or a hypocrite?
edit: Holy Shit, he even thanked a post that supported Israel. Ace hates me so much he would support israel. huh.

edit: to keep this short because i hate posting multiple times in a row

So you're admitting to being a troll on that issue.
Not only that, but admitting to being pro-Israel. An open Zionist, one who supports a Bourgeois state. Many people will openly support a bourgeois state and not get restricted, but is there really a divided opinion on the so-called "left" when it comes to being pro-israeli? Roza is scum.

[#FF0000]

Nice to see that twit Ace Steel thanked your post. Wonder when he's going to get over his "anti-'Remus Bleys'" stint.

to be fair, you're totally unlikeable and pretty much just copy/paste your opinions.

[Remus Bleys]

to be fair, you're totally unlikeable and pretty much just copy/paste your opinions.
Be fair: I didn't quote at all in this thread. And the only reason I "copy and paste" my opinion is in the hopes that someone will actually read the article that I am quoting and from their reading about this stuff - because reading communist literature that goes far more indepth on a subject than a post on Revleft ever could and thus ultimately is more effective in "prostelyzation."
Besides, if something is right, why does it have to be "original"? And you have to factor in the fact that this stuff is sometimes so basic, so banal, that I cannot muster up any motivation required to actually post a reply when the same exact idea i am trying to portray has already been written down by brilliant (smarter than me, at least) people before me.
I don't really think that I am totally unlikeable. Plenty of people like me, and some not only in spite, but because of, my abrasive attitude. Not sure why though.

[motion denied]

pretty much just copy/paste your opinions.

Isn't that what we all do in one way or another (paraphrasing instead of quoting)?

Or maybe that's just me and I'm kind of defending Remus because your comment hit too close to home idk :o

[#FF0000]

Isn't that what we all do in one way or another (paraphrasing instead of quoting)?

Or maybe that's just me and I'm kind of defending Remus because your comment hit too close to home idk :o

usually when you challenge someone's point they can back it up while remus usually just retreats until someone else addresses the point.

[#FF0000]

which is whatever because, hey, he "doesn't believe in discussion" anyway.

[Skyhilist]

I sometimes post very colloquially, but that's more because I often don't take things seriously and has nothing to do with facebook.

[Remus Bleys]

usually when you challenge someone's point they can back it up while remus usually just retreats until someone else addresses the point.
Oh fuck off. When have I done this? In the newest USSR thread? In this thread? In the thread "the ideology you hate the most"? In the nationalism thread? In the thread about the rape of Berlin? In the thread "whats your opinion on unisex bathrooms"? In threads on Socialism in one country?
Did I use excessive quotations in these threads? In the "is sweden a paradise" thread? Did I even any quotation in these threads? The answer is an absolute and strong "no." No, I have not.
In threads on "the nature of the state," or threads on FORM OF GOVERNMENT (which is probably what you are referencing, wherein I quoted about a third of Lenin's infantile Disorder or the other one (by the same poster heh) where I quoted Class Party and Proletarian Dictatorship) do you not want me to refer to them fundamental and basic communist 101 texts?
Or is getting bored and tired of essentially repeated oneself or dealing with arguments that would not be made if someone had taken the time to do a bit of reading "shrugging off arguments."
I mean, this post of yours is such bullshit that its opaque. I don't understand this "excessive quoting" nonsense you are levelling against me. I made my positions very clear in this thread, and for example, in the USSR thread - I did not quote anyone (again, not that quoting is inherently "bad"), and I did not shriek from defending my statements.
This thread, ironically enough, is a prime example of what Zukunftsmusik calls "Facebookisation." Instead of discussing the issues at hand, you instead post unrelated and off topic posts that have to do with your and a handful of other users personal vendetta against me. A vendetta that, for the life of me, I cannot understand why you have, nor do I understand why you choose to post about it (and post off-topic content) in many threads we happened to both be on. No. Not even both happen to be in. What the fuck are you doing in this thread besides making digs at me? You have posted nothing but irrelevant off-topic things about how much I suck and its quite funny given the OP of this thread.

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i dont even care that you guys don't like me, but to post about it is just egregiously off topic... on a thread about it being moronic to post off-topic, so, in the interest of keeping in line with the OP - which directly criticized and predicted all of your behavior(s), I'm going to stop posting. I don't feel the need to defend myself any more to this.

Though I would like to add this. The use of the thanks button is so fucked up... Because do you know whats Funny? BECAUSE THIS IS FUCKING HILARIOUS: In this very same thread, RedWorker attempted to "correct" me (in his usual ways of trying to troll) and when I replied in kind, what was the response? Nothing! Yes, nothing at all! Yet, did that stop RedWorker from thanking a post made by #FF0000 that criticized me for supposedly not responding and retreating, waiting for someone else to make that point? No! No, it did not!
So, the thanks button being abused to turn into a mere "yeah fuck that guy" but also results in a very delicious irony: RedWorker cannot defend his point, RedWorker retreats from criticism, yet RedWorker thanked a post (and thus also shared that opinion - for that is what the thanks button symbolizes) that criticizes me for retreating. RedWorker, who actually did "retreat" and cannot back up his point, yet criticizes me for retreating and not backing up my point - yet this criticism occurred directly after I defended and backed up my point. There is a certain irony, a certain comedy, of you shitposters who want to turn the thread (and actively support - encourage - this shitposting via the thanks function) into a criticism of me - but not only that, for the hypocristy does not end there, but they criticize me not for the things I do (for I have time and time again exhibited the opposite) but rather something that you people are guilty of. This aspect of this post I will respond to, as I think it is directly related to this "facebookization."

[Hermes]

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i dont even care that you guys don't like me, but to post about it is just egregiously off topic... on a thread about it being moronic to post off-topic, so, in the interest of keeping in line with the OP - which directly criticized and predicted all of your behavior(s), I'm going to stop posting. I don't feel the need to defend myself any more to this.

no offense, but wasn't your railing against rosa also pretty offtopic?

To the thread topic, I guess I'm probably guilty of this a lot. I'm not sure if it's to do with facebook, as I'm not on it, but from what I've seen of it, the comparison is apt.

For me, I guess, it's both a complete lack of confidence in most things I type/write/think/etc, and an inability, either due to ignorance or poor writing ability, to really make the incredibly awesome posts that a lot of people around here do (and, obviously, I'm grateful that they do, and would be sad to see that deteriorate further).

[#FF0000]

Oh fuck off. When have I done this?

Nah I don't remember the thread. It was one of the few where I bothered to engage you but I remember it was really obvious that you were paraphrasing some argument that you didn't fully understand and then just sorta disappeared when I addressed it and only came back to "thank" the person that picked up where you backed off.

and yeah i'm probably being extremely harsh here but you act like a screaming toddler 24/7 and no one does anything about it so w/e. No baby-mittens with this "no offense" nonsense here.

[Zukunftsmusik]

The point is not as much the political content or people's confidence in their own beliefs. Hell, I'm not at all confident, and probably 80% of the users on this forum is more knowledgeable than me. People should be allowed to not know everything, this was not an attack at people who're learning. What I was getting at was more that there seem to be a lot of chit-chat going on in serious, political threads. This is done by a lot of people on this forum, both "high" and "low". I even think one- or two-liners are ok as long as they at least put forth something of substance. What is, annoying, however, is people chatting about the weather in a thread about the Sino-Albanian spilt. We have a chat function, use it. A lot if people know revlefters on other channels, use those. Again, it might be an overreaction, but this shit goes on to an extent, and it didn't use to be that way, not for as long as I've been on this forum, I think.

[consuming negativity]

The thing is, I often go into serious threads to find the ridiculous one-liner posts with 30 "thanks" while posts actually addressing the topic with well-thought-out responses might have 4 or 5 if the person didn't go above 2-3 paragraphs. Not, that is, to pretend as though "thanking" something really matters beyond expressing agreement without making another post to wade through, but to me it sort of implies that people are more here for chatting and bullshitting than for serious discussion of leftism-related topics. That said, I'm very much a fan of the off-topic/non-political subforums, as I find many of you to be interesting or worth talking to colloquially. But I do wish that we kept the more colloquial discussion in the appropriate places.

As for Rosa, while she seemed nice - if overbearing - it was pretty obvious to me that she wasn't actually a leftist in the sense that "revleft" would imply. She frequently disagreed with genuinely left-wing posts from a right-wing perspective and seemed way more interested in being obnoxious than engaging in any real discussions. Part of me doubts that she was anything she says she was at all, although I wouldn't deny that that sounds paranoid (and very well could be).

[Quail]

This is a general verbal warning. No more personal attacks, or I will close this thread and give you an infraction.

[DOOM]

Oh shuttup. You are an anti-german, bourgeois-feminist, anti-communist who posts on this forum to do what? To lord over women as if you are so much better, to show them the light of "real liberation" because you simply know everything about them?
You want to talk about reactionary ideology? SOLIDARITY WITH ISRAEL! SOLIDARITY WITH ISRAEL!
I mean, for god's sake, you are part of the problem, always making these threads where you will stop and basically chat with "certain" (we all know who I am referencing) users on topics completely off topic, full of inane, and useless comments

edit: this was to roza
Oh you could've written my nickname, I have no problem with that.