FIFA World Cup 2014

[DOOM]

So lads, I guess we need a thread for this, don't we?
Only 12/11 days to go, who you gonna root for? What are your predictions? Me personally, I'm rooting for Bosnia and Belgium. As for the final, I think Brazil and Spain will stand against each other.

http://static.bellanaija.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Brazil-2014-World-Cup-Draw-December-2013-BellaNaija.jpg

Oh and please, let's keep this thread clean. It sure is no place for political discussions, regarding the situation in Brazil.

[Devrim]

Those are the groups from the 2010 WC.

Devrim

[DOOM]

Yeah just noticed it too. Thanks

[Rosso]

Indeed^, this year Kim's boys and their fanatic supporters won't participate :crying:

[DOOM]

Indeed^, this year Kim's boys and their fanatic supporters won't participate :crying:

What a shame, what would the Great Leader say to this?

[motion denied]

I'll just watch as many matches as possible and decide if one team deserves my support.


Indeed^, this year Kim's boys and their fanatic supporters won't participate :crying:

The way DPRK's forward cried before the match against Brazil was pretty cool. Very emotional.

[Rosa Partizan]

biazed, I opened a political thread about it, why don't you write something there?

I'll be cheering for Bosnia, too, and for Italy. And I'll be cheering for Germany and Croatia...for their quick elimination from WC.

[DOOM]

biazed, I opened a political thread about it, why don't you write something there?

I'll be cheering for Bosnia, too, and for Italy. And I'll be cheering for Germany and Croatia...for their quick elimination from WC.

really? where?

Yeah Germany vs. USA will be fun, especially because..ah you know why :D

[Rosa Partizan]

do it again b***** h***** :haha:

we're really bad people, aren't we :frog:

[Skyhilist]

Fuck the World Cup and FIFA. I have a friend living in Brazil who is protesting them right now for their human rights violations such as their forced displacement of people and demolition of homes. FIFA basically has control over the police forces there, and from what my friend has told me at least, it sounds like a pretty drastic situation down there in some places.

[Rosa Partizan]

Fuck the World Cup and FIFA. I have a friend living in Brazil who is protesting them right now for their human rights violations such as their forced displacement of people and demolition of homes. FIFA basically has control over the police forces there, and from what my friend has told me at least, it sounds like a pretty drastic situation down there in some places.

yeah, look, I opened a thread about that today, no one gave a fuck about it. This one's for the sporting aspects of the tournament, as BIAZED pointed out.

[Skyhilist]

yeah, look, I opened a thread about that today, no one gave a fuck about it.

My apologies, I didn't see that thread.

[A Psychological Symphony]

biazed, I opened a political thread about it, why don't you write something there?

I'll be cheering for Bosnia, too, and for Italy. And I'll be cheering for Germany and Croatia...for their quick elimination from WC.

Why the hate against the German team?

[Bala Perdida]

For the purpose of me watching it because it is simply on, I guess I'll cheer for Colombia and Mexico. Also for any team against the U.S. and for Brasil to loose.
I shall voice my opposition to the games on Rosa's thread which I have yet to check out. Hope it's what I think it is!:grin:

[Rosa Partizan]

Why the hate against the German team?

the fan culture here is super disgusting and annoying and the team itself consists of mostly Bayern Munich players, so it's def worth hating. When I only see Neuer's or Lahm's face, my stomach turns around. In general, German patriotism tends to be somehow passive-aggressive, so fuck that and wish them a quick elimination.

[4thInter]

So lads, I guess we need a thread for this, don't we?
Only 12/11 days to go, who you gonna root for? What are your predictions? Me personally, I'm rooting for Bosnia and Belgium. As for the final, I think Brazil and Spain will stand against each other.

http://static.bellanaija.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Brazil-2014-World-Cup-Draw-December-2013-BellaNaija.jpg

Oh and please, let's keep this thread clean. It sure is no place for political discussions, regarding the situation in Brazil.
I might think about watching it, only if they didn't push the proletariat around like trash...:glare:

[DOOM]

edit

[Rosa Partizan]

edit

c'mon say it :frog:

[DOOM]

c'mon say it :frog:

what?:D

[Rosa Partizan]

I was expecting something Anti-German, so don't you disappoint me :D

[DOOM]

I was expecting something Anti-German, so don't you disappoint me :D
anti german? how dare you? :|

[Rosso]

I'll be cheering for The Netherlands, Italy and yes it might be very controversial Team USA and Japan. Hopefully Italy will bust Germany's ass again in the last rounds and will Spain get some punishment from the Netherlands.

[Rosa Partizan]

I'll be cheering for The Netherlands, Italy and yes it might be very controversial Team USA and Japan. Hopefully Italy will bust Germany's ass again in the last rounds and will Spain get some punishment from the Netherlands.

this is one of my top 3 all time matches. Could watch these last minutes over and over again, a real classic that never becomes boring. ahhhh German fans, let me lick your salty tears, let me enjoy the taste of defeat and disappointment :wub:

wqjIiO9BIqQ

[Rosso]

this is one of my top 3 all time matches. Could watch these last minutes over and over again, a real classic that never becomes boring. ahhhh German fans, let me lick your salty tears, let me enjoy the taste of defeat and disappointment :wub:

wqjIiO9BIqQ


My favorite. It was just… wow.

[The Intransigent Faction]

I'll be cheering for the Brazilian protesters against FIFA and the use of the World Cup as an excuse for gentrification.

Hey, someone was bound to say it eventually, right?

[Rosa Partizan]

I'll be cheering for the Brazilian protesters against FIFA and the use of the World Cup as an excuse for gentrification.

Hey, someone was bound to say it eventually, right?

again, we got another thread for that, which I opened yesterday.

[bricolage]

I'll be cheering for whoever is playing England.
I'll also be happy to see wins for Algeria (because they have a Crystal Palace player), Nigeria (because they have an ex-Crystal Palace player) and Colombia because there's a Colombian bar that think will be fun for the matches so I'd like to keep that going as soon as possible. Although probably only Nigeria has a chance of getting out of their group.

I'm not sure who will win, I don't pay that much attention to international football but I suppose it will be someone obvious.

[The Intransigent Faction]

again, we got another thread for that, which I opened yesterday.

Fair enough. :o

I'll just let myself out.

EDIT: Although maybe it might be fun to see Iran humiliate the American team or some shit like that, just to see the American reaction. I dunno.

[RedSonRising]

Rooting for Colombia. Sad Falcao couldn't be on the squad, but we're not lacking in offensive players.

[DOOM]

So Bosnia won both friendlies.
Shit's getting real.

[Rosa Partizan]

So Bosnia won both friendlies.
Shit's getting real.

I'm a disgrace to our fans, but who did they win against?

[DOOM]

I'm a disgrace to our fans, but who did they win against?

BiH - Ivory Coast 2:1
BiH - Mexico 1:0

You're a disgrace to our glorious motherland :frog:

[Rosa Partizan]

the thank refers to only your last sentence :frog:

[DOOM]

the thank refers to only your last sentence :frog:

the thank

this sounds so wrong in english :laugh:

[Rosa Partizan]

it most probably is, but I really have no clue what would be better. the "thank you"? The "thanks"? Sounds awful, too.

[Tim Cornelis]

I'm rooting for the netherlands, hope Belgium does well. And it probably will do better than the Dutch team this year, atrocious selection. Dutch football is going downhill.

On the one hand I really liked Chile's team last wc, but them doing well is probably at the expense of the netherlands, so...

Final:
Germany - Netherlands http://balkanportal.info/vb/images/smilies/frog.png

or

Brazil - Spain

^^ Not sure if that situation is even possible. But just taking the best two teams.

[Rosa Partizan]

how do you know frog?? :ohmy:

[Rosa Partizan]

final will be Bosnia - Brazil, btw http://balkanportal.info/vb/images/smilies/frog.png

[DOOM]

how do you know frog?? :ohmy:

Finally, the cultural imperialism we were conducting seems to be successful
http://balkanportal.info/vb/images/smilies/frog.png

[motion denied]

These friendlies are so boring.


Brazil vs Spain final is not possible. Brazil will never make it anyway.

[DOOM]

These friendlies are so boring.


Brazil vs Spain final is not possible. Brazil will never make it anyway.

http://picturesklix.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/brazil-world-cup-2014-schedule-1.jpg

[Rosa Partizan]

look at this smartass...oh god, why... :frog:

[motion denied]

wat

[DOOM]

look at this smartass...oh god, why... :frog:

I just posted it to
what the fuck why am I even baiting for this

[Rosa Partizan]

ahahahaha look at us spamming the whole time...and with "us" I actually mean YOU :frog:

[Zukunftsmusik]

Can :frog: please stop. I wanna see discussion about the world cup, not in-jokes and chit-chat. Keep that to appropriate threads or personal messages or Facebook. Please.

[Rosa Partizan]

what discussion dude? No one's excluded from discussing here, but obviously, soccer's not too popular with revleft-users here.

[Queen Mab]

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[F9]

what discussion dude? No one's excluded from discussing here, but obviously, soccer's not too popular with revleft-users here.

This is NOT fucking chit-chat!!If i was here from the first day and you kept doing this i would have banned you so far, so STOP now.If you cant be serious stay off this forum, or you will be outside the forum completely soon.
Infracted

[DOOM]

This is NOT fucking chit-chat!!If i was here from the first day and you kept doing this i would have banned you so far, so STOP now.If you cant be serious stay off this forum, or you will be outside the forum completely soon.
Infracted

You were really overreacting. And her account was already deactivated..

However, let's go back to the topic.
Just one week left. My prediction is Croatia 0:2 Brazil, maybe even 0:3.

[GiantMonkeyMan]

I'll be rooting for England even if I hate all the associated patriotic bullshit. It is interesting though, every world cup there's a feeling that maybe, just maybe, England has a chance but this year I've had this feeling from everyone that we just have no chance at all. The England squad is just so horribly average that I've got half a mind that we'll be knocked out the group stages after losing to Uruguay. The Spain vs Netherlands group is interesting considering the 2010 tournament.

[Dr Doom]

anyone but england.

[0zgurluk]

Rooting for Colombia. Sad Falcao couldn't be on the squad, but we're not lacking in offensive players.

[Scheveningen]

I am really curious to see how Belgium will do. Heard a lot about their team, but haven't seen them playing yet.

A lot of people are assuming this World Cup will be easily won by Brazil, but their chances seem a bit overrated.
They are playing at home, but the path to the final isn't really easy: assuming there are no surprises, in the round of 16 they should end up against Spain or the Netherlands. Neither are as strong as they were four years ago (especially the Dutch), but it still is a very balanced match.

[John Lennin]

http://i.imgur.com/sFZn4nd.jpg
No Comment...

[zoheyb]

Much excited as it's once in four years thing. Clubs can match this kind of intensity. Plus I am kind of over excited as I travel a lot but still won't miss a thing - Catching everything Live online on my favorite Channels. (http://www.purevpn.com/blog/how-to-watch-football-world-cup-2014-live-online/)

It's good if we have a newer team surprising us with their play but personally I would want Italy to make this their 5th cup - Level with Brazil.

Here’re some of my predictions:
Top Scorer - Messi perhaps
I support specific players in every team so no favorites really :D
Countries with most chances to win the cup: Italy, Belgium, France, Germany, Brazil, Argentina etc

Thanks for this great thread!

[Slavoj Zizek's Balls]

Rooting for Colombia. Sad Falcao couldn't be on the squad, but we're not lacking in offensive players.

Yeah I find those players really offensive...

[motion denied]

So Ribery and Reus are out. Tough luck for Germany and France, and for the players of course.

[DOOM]

http://i.imgur.com/sFZn4nd.jpg
No Comment...

yeah saw that too.
Poor Marx

[PeoplesRepublics]

I'll be rooting for the U.S., Germany, and England.

[Thirsty Crow]

My vote goes for Bosnia.

[BigJohnTheRed]

Can't really build myself up for this tournament due to the fact the poverty and other social issues seem to be being ignored for the most part by the western Media and for me that's wrong.:(

[Zukunftsmusik]

Can't really build myself up for this tournament due to the fact the poverty and other social issues seem to be being ignored for the most part by the western Media and for me that's wrong.:(

I think it's important to be aware of what's going on, yet I can't help myself and will enjoy watching the matches I have time for. It's definitely possible to watch the games without feeling guilty. To not watch them would be a pretty weird and ineffective way of solidarity, if you even could call it that.

[CommissarNgugu]

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Fifa+world+cup+2014.+Apparently+is+a+facepalm+cont est+suggested_751d28_3498872.jpg Seems fitting for the 2014 World Cup insignia to literally be a facepalm

[Bala Perdida]

We have kick off!

[Bala Perdida]

If possible, can we turn this thread into world cup updates? You know, post when a team scores and the match scores at the moment as well as match results.

[Bala Perdida]

Marcelo auto-gol 11'
Brasil 0 - Croatia 1
Neymar gol 29'
Brasil 1 - Croatia 1

[Comrade Jacob]

Marcelo auto-gol 11'
Brasil 0 - Croatia 1

Ouch.

[Atsumari]

Remember our cause comrades
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ9myHhpS9s

[Bala Perdida]

Should I make a new response or edit the old one when a team scores?

[Zukunftsmusik]

If possible, can we turn this thread into world cup updates? You know, post when a team scores and the match scores at the moment as well as match results.

I don't think that's necessary as there are websites for that, and it would fill the thread with unnecessary posts. I think it's better to keep this for discussion about the teams and games.

[DOOM]

If possible, can we turn this thread into world cup updates? You know, post when a team scores and the match scores at the moment as well as match results.

I guess this thread is more for general discussion, but I guess updates are nessecary for discussing the game.
So do as you like :)

[Bala Perdida]

I'll just post results. Also Neymar just scored a penalty. I was hoping it would be blocked.

[DOOM]

Yeah unjustified one, but Brazil's playing better.

[Rosa Partizan]

Glad for Brasil, it was not really a penalty, but on the whole they're the better team anyway.

[DOOM]

3:1, guess the game's decided.

[Zukunftsmusik]

Yeah unjustified one, but Brazil's playing better.


Glad for Brasil, it was not really a penalty, but on the whole they're the better team anyway.

I can only judge from the second half, but I disagree. Croatia was the more offensive team and pretty much controlled the game for most of the second half. Brazil only came around after the unjustified penalty and got a moral boost, it seemed to me. They were more effective with their chances, though, and in the end that's what counts.

[DOOM]

I can only judge from the second half, but I disagree. Croatia was the more offensive team and pretty much controlled the game for most of the second half. Brazil only came around after the unjustified penalty and got a moral boost, it seemed to me. They were more effective with their chances, though, and in the end that's what counts.
yeah, croatia was the better team in the second half, especially in the last 10 minutes.
But dunno, Brazil dominated the entire first half.

[Rosa Partizan]

yeah, what Biazed said, and their chances were bigger, Pletikosa saved a lot for Croatia. A 2:1 would've rather reflected the game, but it's fine.

[Futility Personified]

I only saw the 2nd half but... dodgy refereeing anyone?

[Left Voice]

Wow, it didn't take long for an incompetent referee to ruin a game. Only about 60 minutes into the tournament.

They need to introduce video referees to solve the bizarre situation where everybody on the planet knows it's not a penalty except for the referee.

[Scheveningen]

A balanced match - a result like 2-1 or 3-2 would've been more fair towards Croatia.
Some crappy decisions seemed more because of the pressure of refereeing a World Cup opening match than to favour Brazil (they wouldn't need it in the group stage anyway).

[Max]

Go Germany! They are the only team I'm rooting for.

[F9]

I only root for one team!For brazil to loose it!

[F9]

Pinned

[Thirsty Crow]

I only saw the 2nd half but... dodgy refereeing anyone?
Oh you bet that folks here are roaring in outrage. The worldwide conspiracy against Croats that's what it already is :lol: But really that penalty was hilarious :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Bala Perdida]

On the station I watched it on, they said the penalty was a gift left over from 2010.

[Rosa Partizan]

Oh you bet that folks here are roaring in outrage. The worldwide conspiracy against Croats that's what it already is :lol: But really that penalty was hilarious :laugh::laugh::laugh:

yeah guess what, some Bosnians are going now like "they will do the same to us, they don't wanna have Balkans teams there" :laugh: I understand it quite a bit, though, a shitty referee (this one match against France, some qualification, Biazed def knows what I mean) kept the Zmajevi from a World or Euro cup, and this is only one example, but maybe the most painful one.

[DOOM]

Yeah the refs made some mistakes, I mean fuck, 1 penalty and now they've deprived 2 mexican goals.
What the actual fuck?

yeah guess what, some Bosnians are going now like "they will do the same to us, they don't wanna have Balkans teams there" :laugh: I understand it quite a bit, though, a shitty referee (this one match against France, some qualification, Biazed def knows what I mean) kept the Zmajevi from a World or Euro cup, and this is only one example, but maybe the most painful one.

Why do you have to remind of this?

[Rosa Partizan]

So sorry :/ but which match was it and when? This almost made me cry, goddamn.

[motion denied]

Neymar could have got a red card.
The penalty was utter absurd.


Also, another absurd penalty: Spain. Worst refs, anyone?

What a goal by Van Persie. Awesome!

[DOOM]

God damn RVP :D amazing

[Sasha]

Damn, i mean i want to boycot all this WC stuff because of the riots and the fifa and all the nationalist orange dressed mass hysteria but thats some damn sweet footbal the dutch team is playing

[PhoenixAsh]

I predicted a +4 loss. Just for the wrong team :mad:

Anyways. Don't have to watch the game. I can hear the score from the cheers of my neighborhood. :glare:

[Rosa Partizan]

wtf is happening....I haven't seen the Dutch team in such an amazing form since...I don't know when, but Davids, van Nistelrooy and Kluivert were playing is all I remember.

[Rosa Partizan]

I predicted a +4 loss. Just for the wrong team :mad:

Anyways. Don't have to watch the game. I can hear the score from the cheers of my neighborhood. :glare:

Dude, me too, and I don't even live slightly close to the border.

[DOOM]

wtf is happening....I haven't seen the Dutch team in such an amazing form since...I don't know when, but Davids, van Nistelrooy and Kluivert were playing is all I remember.
I feel so happy for the Dutch, bloody revenge :D

[Non-Aligned]

Rooting for Uruguay here.

[Rosa Partizan]

I don't care about the Spanish team, but I'm really sorry for Casillas. This was totally not him today.

[Slavoj Zizek's Balls]

5-1. Ouch. I'm incredibly surprised by the Netherlands team's performance, although I didn't like how keen they were on fouling.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

what a game, holy fuck

[DOOM]

yeah, I feel really sorry for Casillas, I actually like him

[PhoenixAsh]

Don't worry. The Dutch usually play well during the first few matches. Then they continue to quarter and things change...and they get ideas.

I hope this ends soon. I just want to see my neighbors four doors over very, very miserable with all the hundreds of euro's they spend on decoration. They even bought a new semi circle TV. But they didn't have enough cash to send their daughter to some school camp a month or so back...I guess they were saving cash to buy orange shit stuff.

[Rosa Partizan]

Don't worry. The Dutch usually play well during the first few matches. Then they continue to quarter and things change...and they get ideas.

I hope this ends soon. I just want to see my neighbors four doors over very, very miserable with all the hundreds of euro's they spend on decoration. They even bought a new semi circle TV. But they didn't have enough cash to send their daughter to some school camp a month or so back...I guess they were saving cash to buy orange shit stuff.

All of that is exactly my feeling about the German team. All this freaking out to the max is so pathetic. It's really mostly people who don't watch soccer the other 11 months of the year.

[PhoenixAsh]

I just pissed off my dad by texting him the score. He has taped the thing because he has a meeting with his dog club.

added: told you I would get back at you for grounding me when I was twelve ;)

[Geiseric]

This thread is bullshit. Ffs you people are rediculous.

[DOOM]

This thread is bullshit. Ffs you people are rediculous.

pWdd6_ZxX8c

[PhoenixAsh]

This thread is bullshit. Ffs you people are rediculous.

*ridiculous

:p

[Tim Cornelis]

:thumbup:

Reminds me of euro 2008, we won 3 - 0 to ruling world champion Italy, won 4 - 1 to world cup runner up France, (and 2 - 0 to Romania). The Netherlands was going mad, hysteria, we were already european champions at that point, and then we stranded to Russia, with bleak and dull play, in the quarter finals.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

geiseric stop being a spoilsport you goddamn partypooper

[Geiseric]

Do you guys hate poor people?

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

yes, abolish the poor!

[Q]

Damn, i mean i want to boycot all this WC stuff because of the riots and the fifa and all the nationalist orange dressed mass hysteria but thats some damn sweet footbal the dutch team is playing
I know! This is quite a hard boycott :(

[Geiseric]

Anybody who posts here, while strikes and mass actions are happening as a result of our class brothers mobilizing, doesnt care much for the basic concepts of socialism. Any frivolity that might be enjoyed privately should not be promoted here.

[Tim Cornelis]

Do you guys hate poor people?

Oh please, those same poor people are celebrating their team winning, mate. I saw footage from favelas, people firing up fireworks and cheering in unison can be heard ascending from there when Brazil scored.

Your shtick of supposedly being more committed to 'the struggle' than everyone else is really annoying.

[Geiseric]

Oh please, those same poor people are celebrating their team winning, mate. I saw footage from favelas, people firing up fireworks and cheering in unison can be heard ascending from there when Brazil scored.

Your shtick of supposedly being more committed to 'the struggle' than everyone else is really annoying.

Does the word "propaganda" mean anything to you?

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

Anybody who posts here, while strikes and mass actions are happening as a result of our class brothers mobilizing, doesnt care much for the basic concepts of socialism. Any frivolity that might be enjoyed privately should not be promoted here.

lol barracks communism
No Fun.
Not Ever.
You reactionaries.

[Non-Aligned]

Psychic? Because that's the only way you'll know peoples intentions.

[Tim Cornelis]

Anybody who posts here, while strikes and mass actions are happening as a result of our class brothers mobilizing, doesnt care much for the basic concepts of socialism. Any frivolity that might be enjoyed privately should not be promoted here.

Yes, we should do self-flagellation because when our brothers are struggling elsewhere, enjoyment should be verboten.

[Tim Cornelis]

Does the word "propaganda" mean anything to you?

Ah, you can already assess it to be propaganda without knowing the footage I saw hmmm? Interesting. One might say you're full of shit.

[MarcusJuniusBrutus]

I'm rooting for the people of Rio who are protesting the lavish waste of resources Brazil is pouring into this spectacle, all so rich men can play a child's game and pretend it means something.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

No Tim, if we don't watch capitalism will collapse duh

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

do you even revolutionary lifestyle?
librul

[Comrade Jacob]

*ridiculous

:p

Riddikulus

[Rosa Partizan]

wow is this serious? That's the same direction as this "stop buying stuff and capitalism will collapse"-nonsense. Let's get back to WC (I gotta giggle, in Germany that's short for "toilet") anyway.

[Comrade Jacob]

I'm rooting for the people of Rio who are protesting the lavish waste of resources Brazil is pouring into this spectacle, all so rich men can play a child's game and pretend it means something.

It does...you get a trophy.

[DOOM]

Anybody who posts here, while strikes and mass actions are happening as a result of our class brothers mobilizing, doesnt care much for the basic concepts of socialism. Any frivolity that might be enjoyed privately should not be promoted here.

*tips le revolutionary fedora

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/121/249/look-at-all-the-fucks-i-dont-give-theyre-just-falling-from-the-sky.jpg

As I said, keep politics out, thank you

[Tim Cornelis]

I'm rooting for the people of Rio who are protesting the lavish waste of resources Brazil is pouring into this spectacle, all so rich men can play a child's game and pretend it means something.

Since you liked Geiseric's post alluding that we hate poor people for liking football; I suggest you and Geiseric should go into the favelas during a Brazilian match and as they people cheer in unison, jubilate, celebrate as the team they support wins, go around telling them "you hate the poor! Stop hating on the poor!"

Most Brazilians that protest and riot still support the Brazilian team, they oppose the organisation of the world cup, but not the team. It's also no use pouting at a play of football, this has no effect on the organisation of the world cup.

[Non-Aligned]

Since you liked Geiseric's post alluding that we hate poor people for liking football; I suggest you and Geiseric should go into the favelas during a Brazilian match and as they people cheer in unison, jubilate, celebrate as the team they support wins, go around telling them "you hate the poor! Stop hating on the poor!"

Most Brazilians that protest and riot still support the Brazilian team, they oppose the organisation of the world cup, but not the team. It's also no use pouting at a play of football, this has no effect on the organisation of the world cup.

I think Geiserics heart is in the right place, but there is a time to sit back and relax a bit. It certainly doesn't make one hate the poor or become apathetic. That's up to the individual.

[motion denied]

As someone who lives in Brazil since forever, I can say that Tim is completely right. As Roza said, let's go back to the bathroom.

(Sorry for a kinda useless post, but some people are fucking dense, jeez).

Chile vs Australia now.

[DOOM]

1:0
well I didn't expect this

2:0

[Rosa Partizan]

3:0

Chile will be trouble, I knew it beforehand.

[DOOM]

http://i61.tinypic.com/2ep0k8m.jpg
:laugh:

[Xena Warrior Proletarian]

Chile need to keep piling in goals. The goal difference could end up being VERY important in group B.

[Rosa Partizan]

Chile need to keep piling in goals. The goal difference could end up being VERY important in group B.

absolutely, group B and D seem to me the toughest ones, with 3 great teams per group that could qualify for the next round.

[Xena Warrior Proletarian]

absolutely, group B and D seem to me the toughest ones, with 3 great teams per group that could qualify for the next round.

I presume you are referring to Costa Rica being the third great team of group D, because England sure as fuck aren't. Nah jokes, England should do alright, even after that 0-0 draw against Honduras last week.

[PhoenixAsh]

Just so you all know what happens when you guys engage in such counter revolutionary frivolities and hating the poor as watching soccer :mad: I am very cross with you all :mad:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2760803&postcount=81

[Rosa Partizan]

Just so you all know what happens when you guys engage in such counter revolutionary frivolities and hating the poor as watching soccer :mad: I am very cross with you all :mad:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2760803&postcount=81

your commitment is way too precious for that bourgeois, hedonistic scum that we are. I mean, I felt just like doing a ton of different stuff to express my hatred for the poor, i.e. using my smartphone, eating some chocolate, brushing my teeth with an electric toothbrush made by a capitalist company...but you kinda saved me...I will send my parents messages via pigeon and brush my teeth with a stick from the nearby forest...thank you :wub:

[Tim Cornelis]

So I'm guessing that the netherlands will win to australia and chile, although maybe barely to one (assuming Chile). Then we evade Brazil and probably will play Croatia. Which we'll win because obviously. Then it's either England or Italy, and we'll be send home.

[Q]

So I'm guessing that the netherlands will win to australia and chile, although maybe barely to one (assuming Chile). Then we evade Brazil and probably will play Croatia. Which we'll win because obviously. Then it's either England or Italy, and we'll be send home.
That actually sounds very plausible. It's always something like that. The wheel of the worldcup...

[Rosa Partizan]

Netherlands won't face Croatia, 'cause Croatia won't make it to the next round anyway. The way they played against Brasil is not how they usually roll.

[Geiseric]

Since you liked Geiseric's post alluding that we hate poor people for liking football; I suggest you and Geiseric should go into the favelas during a Brazilian match and as they people cheer in unison, jubilate, celebrate as the team they support wins, go around telling them "you hate the poor! Stop hating on the poor!"

Most Brazilians that protest and riot still support the Brazilian team, they oppose the organisation of the world cup, but not the team. It's also no use pouting at a play of football, this has no effect on the organisation of the world cup.

Says you in... the neatherlands! You dont even patronize the most oppressed layers of the working class with your petit bourgeois attitude.

[Geiseric]

As someone who lives in Brazil since forever, I can say that Tim is completely right. As Roza said, let's go back to the bathroom.

(Sorry for a kinda useless post, but some people are fucking dense, jeez).

Chile vs Australia now.

As somebody whose lived in SF for like forever i can say that institutionalized police violence towards people of color doesnt exist. I don't know where these million strong demonstrations are coming from.

[motion denied]

As somebody whose lived in SF for like forever i can say that institutionalized police violence towards people of color doesnt exist. I don't know where these million strong demonstrations are coming from.

What is this even supposed to mean? Oh, wait don't tell me, stop derailing the thread, Geis. What's wrong with you, you already exposed our petite-bourgeois and class-traitorous attitudes. Your job here is done.

[MarcusJuniusBrutus]

do you even revolutionary lifestyle?
librul

???? perhaps a verb would would clarify this. ????

[Kill all the fetuses!]

I used to root for Netherlands and it's so funny that they started demonstrating unbelievably beautiful football when I stopped caring... :)

I mean really, I watched the second half yesterday - that was some amazing piece of football there, truly amazing.

[Tim Cornelis]

Says you in... the neatherlands! You dont even patronize the most oppressed layers of the working class with your petit bourgeois attitude.

I don't even patronise the most oppressed layers of the working class with my 'petite bourgeois' attitude.... Well that's good then.

Also liking football = PB apparently.


What is this even supposed to mean?

It's supposed to mean, he has no coherent response so he starts talking absolute shite.

[PhoenixAsh]

Last time I told the Trotskyists the Dutch have a horrible class consciousness they jumped all over me for being BP now apparently they seem to say the Dutch are BP because they like and watch football....I don't like and don't watch football and now I am suddenly very revolutionary.

I am not sure how I feel. I am swaying between feeling strangely vindicated; the sudden urge to like football. . and feeling like they can't hold a consistent argument.

[Sasha]

BP? British Petrolium?

[Thirsty Crow]

Do you guys hate poor people?
You're a little prick ain't you?

So there's a supposed higher moral ground, which simply necessitates boycotting the championship and preferably running around the town you live in denouncing the folks that do watch games.

And yeah, I just fucking hate the poor, this was especially evident when I watched and enjoyed the Dutch play yesterday. I'm not even kind so as to patronize the most oppressed, oh the horror!

And yeah, the demolition yesterday was especially to my liking. I've come to really dislike the Spanish play, and it's always nice to see Casillas so soooo sad :lol:

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

To be honest though I think the football stadiums in Croatia could be put to better use as camps for holding football players, managers and so on. This kind of lifestylism is naff, though.

[PhoenixAsh]

BP? British Petrolium?

Samsung autocorrect ;) :D

I think they make it painfully obvious who they are in bed with :D

[Thirsty Crow]

To be honest though I think the football stadiums in Croatia could be put to better use as camps for holding football players, managers and so on. This kind of lifestylism is naff, though.
Of course the resources could have been more productively used; but that's a common line we ought to say a bazillion times a day due to the way things work in capitalism.
That's not to disparage the protest movement in Brazil; I'd hope it goes without saying that I personally support it. The problem is, as you say, this extension into me watching the games or not. For one thing, such self-righteous stupidity won't help anyone. Except for the likes of Geis who can feel all smug about it. As for me, I'm gonna watch the games I think could be interesting.

[Rosa Partizan]

You're a little prick ain't you?

So there's a supposed higher moral ground, which simply necessitates boycotting the championship and preferably running around the town you live in denouncing the folks that do watch games.

And yeah, I just fucking hate the poor, this was especially evident when I watched and enjoyed the Dutch play yesterday. I'm not even kind so as to patronize the most oppressed, oh the horror!

And yeah, the demolition yesterday was especially to my liking. I've come to really dislike the Spanish play, and it's always nice to see Casillas so soooo sad :lol:

pressing the thank you-button refers NOT to your last sentence, just to make that clear :crying:

[Thirsty Crow]

pressing the thank you-button refers NOT to your last sentence, just to make that clear :crying:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/14/article-0-1EBF208500000578-229_634x536.jpg

:p

But really, that goal was magnificent.

[Tim Cornelis]

http://static0.volkskrant.nl/static/photo/2014/1/14/8/20140614133311/media_xll_2311028.png

All black people look alike. Nigel de Jong and De Guzman mixed up.

[Geiseric]

You're a little prick ain't you?

So there's a supposed higher moral ground, which simply necessitates boycotting the championship and preferably running around the town you live in denouncing the folks that do watch games.

And yeah, I just fucking hate the poor, this was especially evident when I watched and enjoyed the Dutch play yesterday. I'm not even kind so as to patronize the most oppressed, oh the horror!

And yeah, the demolition yesterday was especially to my liking. I've come to really dislike the Spanish play, and it's always nice to see Casillas so soooo sad :lol:

Who do you think you are? I have a valid point, FIFA is the epitome of capitalism, and you people are ignoring "class solidarity." Do you know that there are around 500,000 child prostitutes in brazil, most of whom are going to be raped by tourists? Oh but watching grown muscular rich men kick a ball is so much more important.

[Tim Cornelis]

Who do you think you are? I have a valid point, FIFA is the epitome of capitalism, and you people are ignoring "class solidarity." Do you know that there are around 500,000 child prostitutes in brazil, most of whom are going to be raped by tourists? Oh but watching grown muscular rich men kick a ball is so much more important.

Right. Because enjoying football and being caring about, or involved with, social issues are mutually exclusive.

And I wouldn't call FIFA 'the epitome of capitalism'.

[Left Voice]

I guess he's called the Flying Dutchman for a reason.

I do hope this is the beginning of the end for boring possession-based anti-football.

[Thirsty Crow]

Who do you think you are? I have a valid point, FIFA is the epitome of capitalism, and you people are ignoring "class solidarity." Do you know that there are around 500,000 child prostitutes in brazil, most of whom are going to be raped by tourists? Oh but watching grown muscular rich men kick a ball is so much more important.You're an idiot kid and likewise the point you have is idiotic.

And fuck your guilt tripping. Get the fuck out of this thread.

[Geiseric]

Right. Because enjoying football and being caring about, or involved with, social issues are mutually exclusive.

And I wouldn't call FIFA 'the epitome of capitalism'.

Tell that to the child prostiutes. Some people on the board have questionable views on this topic, but all professional sports are inherently chauvanist.

The tourists and culture surrounding FIFA is exclusively petit bourgeois, as with all sports. The American Super Bowl also has an institutionalized connection with the prostitution industry. Tourism in general only benefits bourgeois institutions. If Cuba wasnt open to tourists I don't think the endemic prostitution industry there would have much growth. And no you can't just "seperate" this spectacle from the reality of class struggle.

[Tim Cornelis]

Tell that to the child prostiutes.

Because.... Before the FIFA there was no child prostitution in Brazil?
Because... Me (not) watching the world cup has ANY effect whatsoever on whether there are child prostitutes in Brazil?'

It's like being mad at an airliner for child prostitution in South-East Asia. Or at me for liking to fly there.


Tell that to the child prostiutes. Some people on the board have questionable views on this topic but the tourists and culture surrounding FIFA is exclusively petit bourgeois, as with all sports. The American Super Bowl also has an institutionalized connection with the prostitution industry. Tourism in general only benefits bourgeois institutions.

Okay. I made the above comment when you hadn't added the last bit. Apparently you do blame airliners for child prostitution in South-East Asia.

You are utterly ridiculous.

[Geiseric]

You're an idiot kid and likewise the point you have is idiotic.

And fuck your guilt tripping. Get the fuck out of this thread.

Have fun watching grown men kick a ball while the cheering petit bourheois tourist fans prepare to rape little kids. Hundreds of thousands of them.

[Thirsty Crow]

Have fun watching grown men kick a ball while the cheering fans prepare to rape little kids. Hundreds of thousands of them.
I am in fact having fun. I probably will, depending on the games.

It must be that I'm a terrible, terrible person. Not to mention, probably a petite bourgeois faux radical at that.

Shame on me.

[Geiseric]

Because.... Before the FIFA there was no child prostitution in Brazil?
Because... Me (not) watching the world cup has ANY effect whatsoever on whether there are child prostitutes in Brazil?'

It's like being mad at an airliner for child prostitution in South-East Asia. Or at me for liking to fly there.



Okay. I made the above comment when you hadn't added the last bit. Apparently you do blame airliners for child prostitution in South-East Asia.

You are utterly ridiculous.
You growing balls and exposing extreme oppression might to something. Not watching the game as a statement at a pub would even be sufficient. However you people are content in ignoring reality, which I hope bites you in the ass at some point.

[Thirsty Crow]

You growing balls and exposing extreme oppression might to something. Not watching the game as a statement at a pub would even be sufficient.
You're even idiotic in the delusional assessment about what constitutes "exposing" the stuff that goes on.

Okay, now that this little lesson in revolutionary lifestyle and morals is done, can we have an admin doing their thing in this thread now? Not the least for the language used here and its implications.

[Tim Cornelis]

You growing balls and exposing extreme oppression might to something. Not watching the game as a statement at a pub would even be sufficient.

Sufficient. Sufficient for.... freeing Brazilian girls from sex trade? Nope. It has zero effect. I'm not going to immiserate my life and myself out of the guilt over the overwhelming amount of oppression and injustice in the world. And stop using petite bourgeois as buzzword, because it's transparent you only use it as compensation for lack of argument and try to shut down your opponents.

[Thirsty Crow]

Sufficient. Sufficient for.... freeing Brazilian girls from sex trade? Nope. It has zero effect. I'm not going to immiserate my life and myself out of the guilt over the overwhelming amount of oppression and injustice in the world. And stop using petite bourgeois as buzzword, because it's transparent you only use it as compensation for lack of argument and try to shut down your opponents.
Sufficient for proving yourself worthy in the eyes of the revolutionary morality tribunal. That being Geis, obviously.

[Ele'ill]

It is kind of obnoxious when leftists start defending stuff like this and the olympics lol

[Geiseric]

Sufficient for proving yourself worthy in the eyes of the revolutionary morality tribunal. That being Geis, obviously.

So youre only a socialist when you feel like it? Marx would be proud.

[Thirsty Crow]

So youre only a socialist when you feel like it? Marx would be proud.
Marx is dead.

And I don't tailor my behavior or TV watching habits according to what I presume would be favorable to a historical figure; one who sadly receives such quasi-religious adoration so as to become an imaginary instance whom individual behavior needs to correspond to.


It is kind of obnoxious when leftists start defending stuff like this and the olympics lol
I'm not defending anything apart from myself watching the games - which is no ground to make such low and disgusting insinuations such as the one that I tacitly support in any way prostitution and child prostitution - with all the effects upon the victims - during the cup.

If this really ought to be said, suppose there's a general fuck up and a situation where the Cup is on the verge of being cancelled; would I mind? Of course not. Though, I honestly have no idea why I'm even writing this when knowing that this little debate is total bullshit.

[PhoenixAsh]

Computer industry and exploitation and child labour and health care issues from waste and toxicity in some countries.

Just mentioning it. everybody connect the dots...

[Ele'ill]

Computer industry and exploitation and child labour and health care issues from waste and toxicity in some countries.

Just mentioning it. everybody connect the dots...

There is more of a social spectacle element involved with world cup / olympics one that is relatively avoidable from a support it/entertainment perspective. I think it gets perceived as a short-in-duration unchecked action against vulnerable folks in that geographic location.

[Geiseric]

Computer industry and exploitation and child labour and health care issues from waste and toxicity in some countries.

Just mentioning it. everybody connect the dots...

Wow. That is completely different from FIFA and sports tourists, who are people you know. You probably know a few pedophiles but until it effects you personally turning a blind eye is acceptable. Great examples are set, as usual, by the moderation team.

[Ele'ill]

Wow. That is completely different from FIFA and sports tourists, who are people you know. You probably know a few pedophiles but until it effects you personally turning a blind eye is acceptable. Great examples are set, as usual, by the moderation team.


I actually think it was a good point because while I don't agree with it alone, it helps to better define the difference between the examples, which can help when forming arguments.

[Thirsty Crow]

Question, how exactly is me watching the game gonna affect FIFA and sports tourism?

[Geiseric]

I actually think it was a good point because while I don't agree with it alone, it helps to better define the difference between the examples, which can help when forming arguments.

While were at it lets give up protesting the wars in the middle east because we use gas. Im younger than all of the people here, maybe thats why I choose to highlight the connection between the pedophilia industry and professional sports fans/tourists.

Maybe thats why I give a shit about the basic tenants of the class struggle, namely unconditional solidarity with the oppressed toilers around the world, who were kicked out of their homes and communities as well as having their children raped so these fucking tourists can have a super fun soccer vacation, and so you people can enjoy a television program. Fucking despicable.

[Geiseric]

Question, how exactly is me watching the game gonna affect FIFA and sports tourism?

It wont. You legitimizing this abomination in any way makes it worse though. So dont give it legitimacy, dont talk about it here, an international discussion forum, unless its beneficial to the toiling brazillian working class.

[Thirsty Crow]

It wont. You legitimizing this abomination in any way makes it worse though. So dont give it legitimacy, dont talk about it here, an international discussion forum, unless its beneficial to the toiling brazillian working class.
You're absolutely fucking delusional.

So let me get it straight. I'm legitimizing all of the stuff associated with the Cup by

1) watching the games in my apartment by myself

2) commenting on them here and

3) commenting them in the company of my friends

Is that what you're telling me? That

1) it is my moral duty not to watch games and to

2) denounce it here as petite bourgeois decadence combined with

3) conducting socialist propaganda among my friends on the basis of speaking against the atrocities connected to it

(incidentally we did talk about the workers' conditions during the stadium building and so on)

Or in other words, there's some criterion apart from board rules which says I must not talk about this here...in the thread for the Cup. And that it is even possible that a discussion in Croatia might be beneficial for the Brazilian working class (really!?)?

[Ele'ill]

the tele is there anyways, its watched because they like the particular sport

[Geiseric]

the tele is there anyways, its watched because they like the particular sport

These people arent even trying to expose FIFA, whose executives work hand in hand with the child prostitution industry. there are giant abuses of human rights which ARENT BEING TALKED ABOUT ON A LEFTIST FORUM. Why dont we just forget about the Qatar world cup, its just football right? Enforced and made possible by a military presence. At least move this discussion to a sports forum because this is sad. The world cup is a bourgeois spectacle which is being propped to the detriment of the international working class.

[Ele'ill]

These people arent even trying to expose FIFA, whose executives work hand in hand with the child prostitution industry. there are giant abuses of human rights which ARENT BEING TALKED ABOUT ON A LEFTIST FORUM. Why dont we just forget about the Qatar world cup, its just football right? Enforced and made possible by a military presence. At least move this discussion to a sports forum because this is sad. The world cup is a bourgeois spectacle which is being propped to the detriment of the international working class.

There was another thread made on the topic.

[Loony Le Fist]

While I have strong opinions about FIFA, I certainly don't blame anyone for watching it. I kept my opinions out of this thread however, as OP asked. I'd be happy to open a thread to comment about it, if anyone cares. I just didn't want to derail this thread that seemed to be specifically about discussion of the teams and games. What does everyone think?

[Ele'ill]

i think there already was another thread about that but i don't think anyone here disagrees with anything that will be said if anything the disagreements will be sectarian and it will turn into that type of thread

[PhoenixAsh]

Wow. That is completely different from FIFA and sports tourists, who are people you know. You probably know a few pedophiles but until it effects you personally turning a blind eye is acceptable. Great examples are set, as usual, by the moderation team.

did you just accuse my friends around me of pedophilia and me of knowingly turn a blind eye?

[Tim Cornelis]

While were at it lets give up protesting the wars in the middle east because we use gas.

No, according to you we should give up on using oil because of wars. That's a proper analogy. And it's absurd. Or perhaps if we don't use gas or oil personally, you suggest turning our backs, literally, to gas stations out of protest to stop legitimising wars.


Im younger than all of the people here, maybe thats why I choose to highlight the connection between the pedophilia industry and professional sports fans/tourists.

I don't see how age is relevant to that discussion. You're only one year younger than me anyway.


Maybe thats why I give a shit about the basic tenants of the class struggle, namely unconditional solidarity with the oppressed toilers around the world, who were kicked out of their homes and communities as well as having their children raped so these fucking tourists can have a super fun soccer vacation, and so you people can enjoy a television program. Fucking despicable.

No what you propose is quasi-religious dictates: that we need to feel guilt for the revolutionary sins we've done, that we should feel guilty over our lack of socialist morality, and that we should live a Calvinist-like sober life without fun or enjoyment if it in any way coincides with human suffering (that is, basically everything).


These people arent even trying to expose FIFA, whose executives work hand in hand with the child prostitution industry. there are giant abuses of human rights which ARENT BEING TALKED ABOUT ON A LEFTIST FORUM. Why dont we just forget about the Qatar world cup, its just football right? Enforced and made possible by a military presence. At least move this discussion to a sports forum because this is sad. The world cup is a bourgeois spectacle which is being propped to the detriment of the international working class.

Well they are being talked about on this forum, just not here and not all the times. I don't feel the need to constantly and non-stop talk about injustice to alleviate the guilt of its existence. At least move this discussion to a sports forum? It's in the sports & health forum dumb ass.

Consuming commodities is bourgeois; might as well give that up Geiseric, and stop bothering us on this forum sustained by commodities and through commodities.

[GiantMonkeyMan]

So much prole-ier than thou in this thread... D:

[Xena Warrior Proletarian]

Costa Rica have just gone 2-1 up against Uruguay!!! Btw just seen the goalie Muslera. Everytime he turns up in the champions league with Galatasaray I remember that he exists and die a little inside knowing he'll never be mine... :crying:

Ps. Cavani is gorgeous as well. Just thought I'd bring the depth of discussion down to horny teenager level.

[Tim Cornelis]

Costa Rica have just gone 2-1 up against Uruguay!!! Btw just seen the goalie Muslera. Everytime he turns up in the champions league with Galatasaray I remember that he exists and die a little inside knowing he'll never be mine... :crying:

Ps. Cavani is gorgeous as well. Just thought I'd bring the depth of discussion down to horny teenager level.

y r u 4 uruguay r u from there

[Slavoj Zizek's Balls]

Should I bother to watch England tonight?

[Xena Warrior Proletarian]

Holy crap 3-1. Beautiful goal, Joel Campell has been outstanding. You may remember him for scoring that goal for Olympiakos against Man U in the champions league (while on loan from arsenal).

Tim, I'm not a Uruguay fan, and I'm not from there. I'm not really supporting anyone, just swooning over some of Uruguay's players - you can add Caeceres to that list as well.

[Geiseric]

did you just accuse my friends around me of pedophilia and me of knowingly turn a blind eye?

Im saying that youd be up in arms if you had personal friends who are child prostitutes in brazil, if you saw this discussion. you would want to puke if you saw people talking about the game instead of how to overthrow this system. I have the balls to tell american football fans what they dont want to hear, namely that wherever the superbowl happens, the child prostitution industry booms, and has been happening like this for a long time because of the kind of people who have the money for a vacation like the WC or SB.

Besides, economocally regardless of the morbid details, the world cup is a capitalist enterprise. If you want to end capitalism youre going to have to destroy FIFA which is owned by capitalists and run for a disgusting profit. It depends on the sweat shops the shoes and jerseys to be sold are made in.

[Ele'ill]

I have the balls to tell american football fans what they dont want to hear, namely that wherever the superbowl happens, the child prostitution industry booms, and has been happening like this for a long time because of the kind of people who have the money for a vacation like the WC or SB.

what if we want to watch american football, football, ice hockey, thai boxing, western boxing, etc..


Besides, economocally regardless of the morbid details, the world cup is a capitalist enterprise.

but what if we want to watch sports



If you want to end capitalism youre going to have to destroy FIFA which is owned by capitalists and run for a disgusting profit. It depends on the sweat shops the shoes and jerseys to be sold are made in.

so what

[PeoplesRepublics]

What a game, 3-1. Costa Rica realy steped it up the second half.

[Tim Cornelis]

I don't get why everyone's thinking England's team is subpar. They seem to be doing alright. In the first 20 minutes so far at least.

[Comrade Jacob]

Come on England!
EDIT: GODDAMN IT
EDIT: I mean, get in England 1-1

[Xena Warrior Proletarian]

Hahahahahaha AVANTI LIVORNO!!! well it's not them, but close enough...

Edit: ah balls :(

[Dr Doom]

Come on England!

no.

[Geiseric]

what if we want to watch american football, football, ice hockey, thai boxing, western boxing, etc..



but what if we want to watch sports




so what

Ok fair enough these events are basically all like that but they are actually protesting the world cup which makes it different.

[Futility Personified]

I was really enjoying the world cup atmosophere walking home tonight. Then I heard the singing of the national anthem and it soured my mood.

England seem to be a bit dicey with the defending, I swear italy have whacked out a lot more quality shots than we have and have seemed more dangerous. Still, Johnson hasn't been as wank as he has for a while, Sturridge got his positioning perfect and Sterling is being quite threatening and much persistent. High hopes for this game, but we'll see....

Also, we know about the injustices, we are all leftists here, there is a separate thread. If the extent of our ideological dedications revolved around boycotting things we don't like we'd be revlib. Any grief, PM me. I want to mooch football knowledge off other posters.

[Rosa Partizan]

Costa Rica have just gone 2-1 up against Uruguay!!! Btw just seen the goalie Muslera. Everytime he turns up in the champions league with Galatasaray I remember that he exists and die a little inside knowing he'll never be mine... :crying:

Ps. Cavani is gorgeous as well. Just thought I'd bring the depth of discussion down to horny teenager level.

totally down with that! Pirlo (but only with this beard thing going on) is hot as hell, goddamn. Hope the result 2:1 doesn't change, I am participating in some football pool and that's the result I predicted.

[RedAnarchist]

How I would love to have Mario Balotelli as a Liverpool player. Italy deserved the win, but wow, Costa Rica! They deserve to qualify from the group, but I think the other spot will be either Italy or England.

[GiantMonkeyMan]

How I would love to have Mario Balotelli as a Liverpool player. Italy deserved the win, but wow, Costa Rica! They deserve to qualify from the group, but I think the other spot will be either Italy or England.
Yeah, Balotelli was class. There was period in like the first five minutes where, for a moment, I thought England had scored (when they hit the side of the net) and then they maintained that tempo for a bit but then it trailed off and Italy dictated the level of play. Sterling was brilliant though and he'll be one to watch in the future.

[motion denied]

Costa Rica, I've found a team to support. Who would have guessed they would practically take Uruguay out of the competition, since wins over Italy and England are not likely.

Pirlo's almost beautiful score, the ball took a 45º curve!

Props for Côte d'Ivoire for two goals in three minutes.

Amazing. Football is superb...

[Rosa Partizan]

this article is great.

And by great I mean silly as fuck.


I’ve also argued that soccer is a manifestation of the labor theory of value applied to sports—which may explain why socialist European nations do so well.
Soccer is a huge expenditure of human effort and exertion with almost no return. Under capitalism the idea is to produce the most output with the least amount of work.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/06/13/why-wont-be-watching-world-cup/

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

I swear I sometimes want to abandon the term "socialism" because most people apparently associate it with social-democracy or even the welfare state. It's a shame because it's a better term than communism. Also, silly foxbot, capitalists don't maximise the volume but the rate of profit.

I just realised I don't actually watch football and have nothing substantial to add. So... er... unconditional support for the degenerated workers' football teams? Yes.

Also I want to buy a beer for that Japanese judge.

[Tim Cornelis]

this article is great.

And by great I mean silly as fuck.


http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/06/13/why-wont-be-watching-world-cup/

A more appropriate economic analogy would be that of inflation in bourgeois society. Basketball is boring because the value of each goal is very little because there is so many of them. Another goal, and another goal, and another. Wow, 68 - 53 that's boring. The value of a goal in football is incredibly large precisely because there's so few scoring, and this makes it exciting. That probably explains why comparatively successful economies are often doing well in international football -- or something.

[DOOM]

Dammit switzerland

[Rosa Partizan]

so tonight it's Bosnia time, who's gonna watch? (except for LinksRadikal and BIAZED)

[DOOM]

mehmedi <3333

[motion denied]

so tonight it's Bosnia time, who's gonna watch? (except for LinksRadikal and BIAZED)

I am.

I wouldn't miss Argentina's first match.

[Xena Warrior Proletarian]

This World Cup has been CRAZY! Switzerland win in injury time from a box to box run.

[DOOM]

SEFEROOOOOVIIIIICCCCCCCC <33333 god damn last minute goals are the best goals

[Rosa Partizan]

awesome, Swiss! Not because I like them, but because this result pushes me to 2nd place in that football pool. Unfortunately, I'm gonna cheer for Bosnia, but at the same time predicted that Argentinia will win.

[Tim Cornelis]

Will prolly watch argentina and bosnia while studying for exam of tomorrow.

[DOOM]

Really boring and onesided game. Duh, France obviously deserves the points

[motion denied]

Easy win for France. We'll see more goals on the second half, I suppose.

The ref, Sandro Meira Ricci, who's basically a piece of human garbage, is surprisingly good.

[DOOM]

First use of the new technology
what do you think about that?

[motion denied]

Ugh.

Discussing whether it was a goal or not was very fun. Technology is spoiling the game.

Gotta love polemics.

[Tim Cornelis]

Technology was good. Reactionaries.

[DOOM]

Argentina 5-3-2
They're obviously thinking that Bosnia's going to try counterattacks.

[Slavoj Zizek's Balls]

How good is Messi compared to Maradona?

[Tim Cornelis]

They're just emulating the neo-Dutch school of football thought, doh.

[DOOM]

they're not being dialectical

[motion denied]

How good is Messi compared to Maradona?

Maradona was very successful both in the national team and the regular teams (Newell's, Boca, Napoli etc). Messi, despite his level, has never won anything of substance for Argentina.

Maradona even has his own religion.

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Also, Maradona is bigger than Pelé.

[motion denied]

Well, since EDIT is up to something again, here's the link to the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knRo_1xrJ2A

[DOOM]

I can't even say how mad I am right now

[Tim Cornelis]

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[motion denied]

I almost fell asleep.

Argentina doesn't deserve the fan's passion.

[Xena Warrior Proletarian]

Did anyone else see the deflection on Messi's goal? He's been bad, Argentina have been bad - no way they are winning this tournament unless they get dramatically better.

[Tim Cornelis]

y r u mad biazed

sloooow pace

don't know if it's because I'm tired or because it's boring, but the match doesn't captivate. Going to sleep, wake me up when stuff happens. thanks.

[Rosa Partizan]

This result doesn't reflect the game. Yeah, Bosnia had really few massive chances, but so did Argentinia. What was really striking was how Bosnia got the ball from Argentinia like...every fucking time?! They lacked, however, precise passes in the penalty area and just that killer instinct to get to score. I bet some Argentinians were keen to exchange their jerseys with Dzeko, I mean, who wouldn't want to put on a dry jersey after a soccer game?

[motion denied]

Really disappointing. But yeah, Bosnia neutralized a seemingly anesthetized Argentina.


I mean, who wouldn't want to put on a dry jersey after a soccer game?

:laugh:

Also, football*.

[Geiseric]

I can't even say how mad I am right now

At least youre not a brazillian child prostitute being legally raped by tourists.

[Thirsty Crow]

Really undeserved win. As if the Argentinians decided they might as well take it really easy during the group stage and cruise through it.

Too bad for that unlucky own goal. Otherwise, a very solid performance by Bosnia. I'd expect them to qualify for the knock out stage.

[Luís Henrique]

What a goal by Van Persie. Awesome!

Yup. Gave a whole new meaning to the phrase "Flying Dutchman".

Luís Henrique

[Luís Henrique]

Of course the resources could have been more productively used; but that's a common line we ought to say a bazillion times a day due to the way things work in capitalism.

As communists, we should prefer that resources are not "productively" used at all.


That's not to disparage the protest movement in Brazil; I'd hope it goes without saying that I personally support it.

Which movement, though?


The problem is, as you say, this extension into me watching the games or not. For one thing, such self-righteous stupidity won't help anyone. Except for the likes of Geis who can feel all smug about it. As for me, I'm gonna watch the games I think could be interesting.

I have the feeling that, at least in Brazil, it is the anti-cup "movement" (as if it was a movement, at all) that is decidedly anti-poor. How dare those stupid Blacks and pardos and assorted poor enjoy life and be happy about foolish things such as football, instead of being angry about the gay dictatorship and about laws forbidding child spanking and right-wing "comedians" getting bashed for their unrepentant racism and sexism? Instead of supporting our petty-bourgeois rights to fly on planes without having to share them with farofa eaters, or our right not to pay taxes?

... but all that is of little concern.

The important thing is, "a xícara do mundo é nossa"!

Luís Henrique

[Thirsty Crow]

I predominantly referred to the MTST and the activities before and during the cup associated with it and workers' gravitating around it.

[Luís Henrique]

At least youre not a brazillian child prostitute being legally raped by tourists.

Thanks for the stereotyping, bro.

Rape is illegal in Brazil, btw, so there is no possibility of anyone being "legally raped".

Luís Henrique

[Luís Henrique]

I predominantly referred to the MTST and the activities before and during the cup associated with it and workers' gravitating around it.

Ah, yes. But those people pointedly refuse the foolish slogan "não vai ter copa"...

Luís Henrique

[Geiseric]

Thanks for the stereotyping, bro.

Rape is illegal in Brazil, btw, so there is no possibility of anyone being "legally raped".

Luís Henrique

Not true. Sex with a minor is legal and prostitution is legal. Unless you think those things are choices.

[Luís Henrique]

Not true. Sex with a minor is legal and prostitution is legal. Unless you think those things are choices.

Sex with a minor is legal? Depends on what you call a "minor". Sex is illegal with those under 14; indeed, it is tantamount to rape (what Americans would call "statutory" rape), and it carries the same penalties as rape (8 to 15 years imprisonment, as provided in article 217-A of the Penal Code).

Prostitution is semilegal, but paying for sex with those under 18 is illegal, and carries a penalty between four and ten years in prison (article 244 of the Statute of Children and Adolescents).

So, no, it is impossible to rape anyone legally. Sorry to damage your first-world sence of superiority, but you are just ill-informed.

Luís Henrique

[Tim Cornelis]

Why do some Germans look so, German? Joachim Löw I mean. That haircut does it I think. Makes them look dull as well.

[Geiseric]

Sex with a minor is legal? Depends on what you call a "minor". Sex is illegal with those under 14; indeed, it is tantamount to rape (what Americans would call "statutory" rape), and it carries the same penalties as rape (8 to 15 years imprisonment, as provided in article 217-A of the Penal Code).

Prostitution is semilegal, but paying for sex with those under 18 is illegal, and carries a penalty between four and ten years in prison (article 244 of the Statute of Children and Adolescents).

So, no, it is impossible to rape anyone legally. Sorry to damage your first-world sence of superiority, but you are just ill-informed.

Luís Henrique

14 to 18 is a big difference, especially when many people in favelas arent considered citizens. Sex is legal with those above 14 though, unless you're paying for it?

[Luís Henrique]

Why do some Germans look so, German? Joachim Löw I mean. That haircut does it I think. Makes them look dull as well.

Wayne Rooney on the other hand is English as hell. I mean, his face has a British accent even when he doesn't open his mouth.

Luís Henrique

[Geiseric]

Wayne Rooney on the other hand is English as hell. I mean, his face has a British accent even when he doesn't open his mouth.

Luís Henrique

Hes actually an irish anglophile.

[Luís Henrique]

14 to 18 is a big difference,

The difference between 14 and 18 is the following: having sex with someone under 14 is a crime regardless of any circumstance, and it is equated to rape. Having sex with someone between 14 and 18 may or may not be a crime, and is only rape if violence is involved. But paying for sexual relations with anyone under 18 is a crime in and of itself, so there is no "legal rape of children prostitutes in Brazil" at all.


especially when many people in favelas arent considered citizens.

Well, law is law, reality is a different issue. But breaking a law and getting along with it is very different from "legally committing a crime".

And of course, from a legal point of view, all people in favelas are considered citizens. That they frequently lack the means for affirming their citizenship is a different issue - that won't be solved by White guilt and liberal lies about "child prostitutes".

Luís Henrique

[Geiseric]

The difference between 14 and 18 is the following: having sex with someone under 14 is a crime regardless of any circumstance, and it is equated to rape. Having sex with someone between 14 and 18 may or may not be a crime, and is only rape if violence is involved. But paying for sexual relations with anyone under 18 is a crime in and of itself, so there is no "legal rape of children prostitutes in Brazil" at all.



Well, law is law, reality is a different issue. But breaking a law and getting along with it is very different from "legally committing a crime".

And of course, from a legal point of view, all people in favelas are considered citizens. That they frequently lack the means for affirming their citizenship is a different issue - that won't be solved by White guilt and liberal lies about "child prostitutes".

Luís Henrique

So you dont see a connection between the lack of rights for favella residents and the upsurge of the prostitution industry during tourist season? Besides the fact that there are atm at least 500,000 child prostitutes who arent being protected by the state?

[Thirsty Crow]

I hope Germany beats the Dutch +/-.

And Pepe is an exceptionally stupid player. There's room for criticizing the decision to send him off, but it's his reaction after the foul that makes it something else than a yellow.

[Tim Cornelis]

I hope Germany beats the Dutch +/-.

yyyyyy? :(