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Gia
30th May 2014, 19:27
This is a topic I am very interested in, since I love the idea of gardening and being a vegetarian I try to consume as many fruits and vegetables as possible, and I also don't agree with the price most of these products hold in the supermarket, given the fact that we all know that they're far from organic and lots of artificial growth substances are involved in the process of cultivating them.

My mother and I have started to plant a few types of vegetables in our relatively small garden, and I am quite excited about it because I wish I could achieve the point where I don't have to procure most of the food I eat from the store (I also try to buy milk products and eggs from locals).

I'm curious to hear from other lefties around here who have taken up this challenge, or maybe just advice on gardening and tips for growing your own food in general, anything is welcomed. :grin:

Do you think there are any disadvantages to the advantages of basically being your own food supplier? Is it actually worth all the time and the work you put into it? What is the alternative or could we manage to still do this during winter time?

I'd just like to hear your toughts:).
Loony Le Fist
30th May 2014, 20:01
I would say getting a compost pail set up along with some kind of rainwater collection would be ideal. This way you can greatly reduce your fertilizer and water costs. Plus, you can avoid using synthetic fertilizer.

Appropedia (http://www.appropedia.org/Welcome_to_Appropedia) is a really good site with some innovative solutions. I surely suggest you check it out for some cool ideas.
Loony Le Fist
30th May 2014, 20:04
Sorry, it was a double-post, I didn't mean to :D

I'm sure the mods can do a merge to fix things up. :grin:
Ro Laren
30th May 2014, 21:00
We have a couple small gardens. We used to have more, but we had a lot of issues with disease and insects and it became not worth the time and effort. This year we're just growing jalapenos, Hungarian hot peppers, and tomatoes. In the past we've grown corn, squash, green beans, onions, broccoli, cucumbers, and bell peppers.

If gardening is a hobby you enjoy, then I think its worth the time and effort. Otherwise it just becomes aggravating work.
Gia
30th May 2014, 21:01
Thank you, any suggestion it's very much welcomed for me at this moment since I'm trying to start with baby steps. :grin: Actually, right now it's pouring where I live so yay for me, free watering! lol


We have a couple small gardens. We used to have more, but we had a lot of issues with disease and insects and it became not worth the time and effort. This year we're just growing jalapenos, Hungarian hot peppers, and tomatoes. In the past we've grown corn, squash, green beans, onions, broccoli, cucumbers, and bell peppers.

If gardening is a hobby you enjoy, then I think its worth the time and effort. Otherwise it just becomes aggravating work.

It certainly is hard work, my garden is quite small tough and thankfully we can manage with it fine being just 2 persons. Is it very expensive to get rid of the insects when they start damaging the plants?

Also, has anybody tried growing spices? That sounds like a fun, tasty idea! lol
Ro Laren
31st May 2014, 04:11
We didn't use any insecticides, so it wasn't a cost issue. We tried organic means, like dish soap and stuff, so that may have been why we had so much of a problem with insects. Either that or a lack of vigilance. :unsure:

The problems didn't start until after the first few years, for whatever reason. Good luck with yours, though. It is kind of a cool feeling to eat food you've grown.
Gia
31st May 2014, 13:24
We didn't use any insecticides, so it wasn't a cost issue. We tried organic means, like dish soap and stuff, so that may have been why we had so much of a problem with insects. Either that or a lack of vigilance. :unsure:

The problems didn't start until after the first few years, for whatever reason. Good luck with yours, though. It is kind of a cool feeling to eat food you've grown.


I see, the truth it is that there isn't one method that's guaranteed to work 100% unfortunately, it must upseting to have your work perished like that. I guess one of the benefits of owning a smaller garden is that you can keep an eye on things more easily, but you never know. Do you think a change in the climate where you live might have had something do with it? I don't know, I've just heard that theory before..

Yes, it's quite nice when you eat food you know is the result of your own hands,if things will turn out well enough, I'm even thinking of giving growing broccoli a shot:grin:. Thanks for the encouraging, btw
ckaihatsu
31st May 2014, 15:13
F.y.i. -- found this awhile ago....


Volksgarden is a hi-tech hydroponics ferris wheel

http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2678855&postcount=1
exeexe
1st June 2014, 07:26
and I also don't agree with the price most of these products hold in the supermarket, given the fact that we all know that they're far from organic and lots of artificial growth substances are involved in the process of cultivating them.

You can buy organic. Just look for the logo which shows that a product is organic. Also i laughed when i saw the lemme out thing. Is it a reference to the Berlin wall?

And yeah almost any price in a supermarket you should not agree with organic or not, because we live in a capitalist economic system. In the price of the product is included expenses to the capitalist(s), expenses to rent and expenses to loans, expenses to state robbery like tax and etc...

http://www.grida.no/graphicslib/thumbs/1805c933-493c-4b85-be16-ad06eb342332/large/organic-farming-in-europe-surface-area-by-country_ee07.jpg
BIXX
1st June 2014, 07:38
You can buy organic. Just look for the logo which shows that a product is organic. Also i laughed when i saw the lemme out thing. Is it a reference to the Berlin wall?

And yeah almost any price in a supermarket you should not agree with organic or not, because we live in a capitalist economic system. In the price of the product is included expenses to the capitalist(s), expenses to rent and expenses to loans, expenses to state robbery like tax and etc...

http://www.grida.no/graphicslib/thumbs/1805c933-493c-4b85-be16-ad06eb342332/large/organic-farming-in-europe-surface-area-by-country_ee07.jpg


Regarding your thing about organic foods: I don't know how it is in Europe but in the US you can't trust the shit that says it's organic.
exeexe
1st June 2014, 07:49
The EU has this organic logo
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But Denmark has its own trustworthy organic logo
http://www.vinmager.dk/60-category/okologisk-vindyrkning.jpg
Which will be more trustworthy than any EU logo ever will be

http://supersparganlosedk.vip.web-selv.dk/xdoc/wss/65/images/943/butik8_600.jpg

The green price tag and the red "Ø" shows people its organic.


https://d.static-irma.dk/billeder/570/120/015/996/7/5701200159967/Versions/5701200159967/ProductDetail.png
exeexe
1st June 2014, 07:59
EU organic logo
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mindsword
4th June 2014, 12:59
yo you NEED to find out about permaculture and self sustaining food gardens / food forests

id make one myself but where i live its all snow and permafrost

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the point is you grow it once, then it basically sustains itself like a normal forest.

that shit is the future
Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages
4th June 2014, 13:22
I've been in flux this year so I can't grow anything, but last year my partner and I grew tons and tons of vegetables on our tiny little patio. Onions, peppers, tomatoes and our lettus grew like weeds. As did our herbs. This year we had to just pay for a csa which is pretty expensive up front but it works out to being less than we would pay each week for food. The next place we're heading to will have a yard and I think we're gonna take a shot at permaculture, I'm just worried about the amount of water something like that would consume. I'm also not sure how to prevent local animals from eating everything, because it kind of sounds like a massive free buffet for squirrels and raccoons.