The Bible

[bubbrubb]

how do we even know any of it is real.it could just be one big made up story like clifford.i do belive in God but how can any1 have proof its real. God has never spoken to me or any1 i know(atleast i don't think?

[Individual]

The only way you could prove that the bible is real is.. well there is no way. The bible is physically real, if that is what you are looking for. However I don't believe that is what you are. The bible has proved itself a book of nonsense. It repeatidly contradicts itself. It has been rewritten numerous times. For all we know, the bible is just a very awkward novel; that describes a complete fantasy world. People believe in the bible because it is human desire to believe. People follow the bible for they want something to lean upon, and fear death. People do not want to believe that death is the end, and make themselves believe that going to church on Sunday will make their soul eternal. However if afterlife is real, what makes people that read a certain book any different than people that don't. Something that someone has made up thousands of years ago could not, and will not determine what will happen to you. That is even if there is an afterlife. For an answer to your question, there is no way to prove the bible is correct. Only ways to prove that the bible is incorrect.

[Pete]

The parts of the old testament (such as Judges through 2 Kings) could be considered historical fiction. That is they are based on fact but interpreted from the Deuternomic point of view (by that I mean the reforms king Josiah made after 'discover' deut were good and the history of the Israelites should be looked at in that matter with God stepping in and out for good measure). Other parts of the Talmach are purely fiction, and few people see them as anything else. For example the Song of Songs (or the Song of Salmuel) is a collection of archaic poetry, and Joshua is immediately disproved by Judges, which follows it. As for the other books, I am working through it in a class. My prof is highly critical, and proposed some crazy theories about the Abraham myth aswell as the Jacob (Israel) myth.

-Pete

[ComradeRed]

In my opinion it is semi factual, like noah's ark, it was some old guy on a raft in mesopotamia (i saw it on the history channel) during a flood. other stuff, like the dude with wax wings, is false.

[LSD]

other stuff, like the dude with wax wings, is false.

umm...if you mean Icarus, that was from Greek mythology not the bible.

[ComradeRed]

sorry, i get those confused.

[LSD]

sorry, i get those confused.
Well, it isn't as though either are any more real than the other. And in fact I tend to like the Greek myths more than the Jewish/Christian/Muslim ones as they tend to have more human deitiies.

There's only so much "lord of lambs", "king of kings" crap you can read before you long to read of Zeus cheating on wife and men transforming into women.

[cubist]

if it is real jesus will arive with 7 angels playing trumpets and all christians will vanish for thier judgemeant, and we will be given a time to change our ways in order to go to heaven, so who cares?

[Wenty]

This board focuses on nothing but religion where debates go nowhere!

[cubist]

yes,

and no. it is upto the members to debate contructively or destructively and people keep popping religion up, mainly becuase it is an active part in modern society and philosphy and is very debatable as to itstrue nature, existiance and meaning/purpose.


lets try something else shall we like

[LiquidX]

Its all been said, theres not much more to add to the subject. There was already a topic about this a little while ago, http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?a...ST&f=23&t=20417 (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=23&t=20417)

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 09:06 PM
yea bubrub. we don't know. that's the point...

christians copied the jewish bible, however, and muslims copied the christian bible. so maybe they get more watered down....? i dunno
Muslims copied the christian bible?...Have you read the Quran? Sure tehre are similarities but not on the same level that eh Christians used teh Old testament

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 04:19 PM
if it is real jesus will arive with 7 angels playing trumpets and all christians will vanish for thier judgemeant, and we will be given a time to change our ways in order to go to heaven, so who cares?
All chritians is it? Shouldn't being a christian qualify you for that? What of those that only claim to be christians? I would like to see the looks on the faces of all the people that claim to be chritians, yet practice no such thing. I think it would be a lot of people...it's kind of like the flood, though in the bible it says god promised not to do the whole mass killing thing again. Still, as politics go these days, I think people could manage the job themselves. I don't "buy into," all of that end of the world crap. I'm more concerned about the people that could end the world.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 30 2004, 07:54 PM
This board focuses on nothing but religion where debates go nowhere!
Yeah Anselm would have been proud comrade.

I think they need to define philosophy and theology on these boards, maybe a theology forum or something. Its annoying.

[LSD]

This board focuses on nothing but religion where debates go nowhere!

You know, If you have some philisophical non-theological debate you want to start, by all means start a thread. Otherwise don't critisize what someone else wants to discuss. If you feel that it's a pointless excersize than don't participate in the thread!

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Originally posted by Lysergic Acid [email protected] 30 2004, 09:59 PM
philisophical non-theological debate
I assume you mean a philosophical debate so. :)

[LSD]

I assume you mean a philosophical debate so.

What I meant is that if he is so upset with the topics being introduces, why doesn't he bring up a new one. If someone wants to discuss theology, which board do you think would be better??

Politics?
Theory?
Opposing Ideologies?


*By the way, I couldn't understand your sentence. I'm not sure what you were trying to write but as it is it is fairly nonsensical.

[Wenty]

I have brought up new topics!

I was just pointing out that much of what is on the philosophy forum is just theology and just the same theological debates. Also, as the majority of people on here are atheists all the posts are just each member taking it in turns to say something else atheist! i.e. it goes nowhere.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Originally posted by Lysergic Acid [email protected] 31 2004, 12:42 AM



*By the way, I couldn't understand your sentence. I'm not sure what you were trying to write but as it is it is fairly nonsensical.
Do you mean me?

If so, can you not comprehend sentence structure or mere divergence from it?

Anyway my point was that a philisophical non-theological debate was just a philosophical debate, non-theological was an unneccessay element of sentence structure you had added.

[LSD]

Comrade Wenty:

I was just pointing out that much of what is on the philosophy forum is just theology and just the same theological debates.

Well, there are often new members who haven't seen the old theological debates, so to them it's new.

Besides, many topics are repeated in many sections, why are you singling out this one?


Also, as the majority of people on here are atheists all the posts are just each member taking it in turns to say something else atheist! i.e. it goes nowhere.

A majority are also communist, doesn't stop discussions on politics.

Geist:


Do you mean me?

If so, can you not comprehend sentence structure or mere divergence from it?

Actually, specifically I did not understand the "so" at the end of your post.

"I assume you mean a philosophical debate." would have made sense, but "I assume you mean a philosophical debate so." does not.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

It's kind of a colloquialism, never mind. This is a flame war going nowhere.

[cubist]

QUOTE (cephas @ Jan 30 2004, 04:19 PM)
if it is real jesus will arive with 7 angels playing trumpets and all christians will vanish for thier judgemeant, and we will be given a time to change our ways in order to go to heaven, so who cares?

All chritians is it? Shouldn't being a christian qualify you for that?

i don't know i accepted but i renounce gods existance until a more convincing and moral version is realised, this will be the NABATR bible. jk i simply renounce the christian faith in my life.



What of those that only claim to be christians? I would like to see the looks on the faces of all the people that claim to be chritians, yet practice no such thing. I think it would be a lot of people...it's kind of like the flood, though in the bible it says god promised not to do the whole mass killing thing again. Still, as politics go these days, I think people could manage the job themselves. I don't "buy into," all of that end of the world crap. I'm more concerned about the about the people that could end the world. .


lol yeah there will be some annoyed people.

but i find funny is american airlines made it policy not to allow two christian pilots to fly the plane together as if christ returns they will disappear an dthe plane will crash killing all non christians.HA.ha

seriously i think its all who accept jesus as teh son of god and taht he died to save the sins of the world and that he rose again threedays later rebuilding the jewish faith into Christianity. *refernce to the i will tare down the church and rebuild it in three days bit in MAt and Luke i think

[Soviet power supreme]

The bible is nothing more than a fiction epic book.It goes to same gategory as Homer's Odysseia and Plato's Atlantis.

[Pete]

SPS, have you ever read it? There is a good deal of history in the bible, the only problem is that it is written in a theological light. It was first redacted during the Babylonian exile, and a few times afterwards as well.

Albeit being hypocritical, Keep the One Line Posts down and help spawn serious debate.

If you want to talk about different topics, make new threads about them. It is as simple as that.

[Soviet power supreme]

good deal of history?

But Odysseija and Critias have that too.

[dark fairy]

they say {correct me if im wrong} that "god" wrote the bible or that "god" told a man what to write... it's just funny because the bible talks about a bunch of shit you're not supposed to do and them the church people are doing the same fucken things... it is just complicated yet makes perfect sence :ph34r:

[Trissy]

I have to take a sceptical view of the Bible because although I admit it is historical book (in the sense that it gives us rough details of the events of the time) it is also a book of fiction. Let us take the story of Adam and Eve for example. Initially we were told that this was the story of man's origins. Then Darwin comes along and ruffles a few feathers by showing us evidence of our evolution and suddenly we're told the story of creation was symbolic. Well if the story of creation was a fictional/symbolic story then we must also ask the question of what else in the Bible is fictional/symbolic...

Now I don't deny that a man called Jesus existed, or that he had many reasonable things to say about the world and life but what I do chose to doubt is the story that he was the son of God and that he performed various miracles (the feeding of the 5000 or the raising of Lazarus for example). I think these are more likely to be there for the symbolic meaning and once we remove them then there is nothing left of the Christian faith except as a guide to how to live (and a fairly unstable one at that).

[LSD]

They say {correct me if im wrong} that "god" wrote the bible or that "god" told a man what to write... it's just funny because the bible talks about a bunch of shit you're not supposed to do and them the church people are doing the same fucken things... it is just complicated yet makes perfect sence

The Bible tells us to be like God, and then on page after page it describes God as a mass murderer. This may be the single most important key to the political behavior of Western Civilization.
--Robert A. Wilson


Let us take the story of Adam and Eve for example. Initially we were told that this was the story of man's origins. Then Darwin comes along and ruffles a few feathers by showing us evidence of our evolution and suddenly we're told the story of creation was symbolic.

Don't get ahead of yourself!
Many still take Genesis literally. In many places in the US there is a disclaimer in textbooks that "evolution is only a theory."


Now I don't deny that a man called Jesus existed

I do.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Originally posted by Lysergic Acid [email protected] 8 2004, 06:30 AM



Now I don't deny that a man called Jesus existed

I do.

You dont believe Jesus existed? I am sure there are Roman records and other accounts of Jesus outside of the Bible.

I know we cannot know if anybody in history truly existed but not believing in Jesus as historical figure is like denying Ceasar.

[LSD]

You dont believe Jesus existed? I am sure there are Roman records and other accounts of Jesus outside of the Bible.

That's the thing, there should be!
But the simple fact is that no contemporary accounts of Jesus exist!!!!
The earliest records of a Jesus Christ are from about 50 years after his alleged crucificition!!

As far as I am concerned, Jesus, never existed.
I'm not going to list all the evidence, but I addressed a lot of it here (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=23&t=21234&st=20)

[Inti]

I think that many men named Jesús lived and still lives around the world.. But I dont really believe whats said in the bibles.. I mean, there is so many bibles to choose from.. The Jehovas bibles, the mormons bibles, catholic bibles, protestant bibles and Im sure there is more bibles and all of them are made conveniantly for each and every branch of belief.. Personally I prefer some real stuff like Che Guevaras biography, his diaries and other good literature.. The protestant bible that I read was pretty boring to me..

[cubist]

LAD,

don't you find it starnge that two religions recognise Jesus's existance, Islam and christianity!

i don't doubt the existance of the man i doubt his extra ordinary powers!

[LiquidX]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2004, 08:12 AM
You dont believe Jesus existed? I am sure there are Roman records and other accounts of Jesus outside of the Bible.

I know we cannot know if anybody in history truly existed but not believing in Jesus as historical figure is like denying Ceasar.
Not true in amny different ways. First of all where is the only place you can find the history of Jesus? The bible...wow what a suprise.

I've always been skeptical as to whether he did or didnt exist, but to be honest if he did indeed exist the stories that were written about him were quite obviously blown out of proportion, whether it be because of lies, misunderstandings, biases, etc. It doesn't really matter...until someone shows me something really conclusive, and I'm not talking about a book that was written over 300 years after his death, then maybe I'll change my mind...but I have a strong suspicion that won't be happening.

[LSD]

don't you find it starnge that two religions recognise Jesus's existance, Islam and christianity!


Not really, clearly Mohammed had hear of Christianity since it had been around for SIX HUNDRED YEARS!!!!

He was trying to adapt elements from Judeo-Christianity to create his new unifying arabic monotheism, so of course he used the central figure of Christianity.


i don't doubt the existance of the man i doubt his extra ordinary powers!

I doubt both.

If you have some evidence to the contrary, let's see it.

[Guest1]

That's an interesting theory, and one worth consideration.

It is very possible he did not exist, we can never really know. I myself though, think it is more likely he was a cult leader who's miniature cult only really took off 50 years after his death, at which point the stories about him told to the cult members by successive leaders had become more and more rediculous and godly.

Obsession by living followers, led to greater obsession by followers who had only met his followers, which led to idol worship by those followers who had absolutely no clue who he was.

[cubist]

LAD,

i don't have any direct evidence to support jesus' existance as the only sources of theists sources but to find an atheist source would be strange

but looking at thisjesus existance? (http://www.probe.org/docs/ossuary.html)

it is possible, historically the bible is quite accurate ideologically it is very wrong

[Guest1]

Why does everyone keep calling him LAD? It's LSD!

His name is the chemical name for LSD! Acid! Tabs! That crazy stuff that is the window to a world where you live within a cartoon and your mind is the cartoonist! Up with Alice! Up with wonderland!

DROP SOME ACID!

[demonio comunista]

but don't you think its just a tad bit weird that every prediction made in the Bible has come true except for one: the second coming of Jesus. and I also find it weird that most Christians I know are living way better lives than any atheist I know.

[Iepilei]

Xians remind me of those people who read The Lord of the Rings or the Hobbit and their life succumbed to the brutal wrath of table-top RPG games and assorted role play.

[Postteen]

Hmmm...I saw on the News that water was found on Mars.In Bible there's nothing said concerning life in other planets.!So goodbye religions!I wonder what the great religious masters're gonna say about it.

[cubist]

no you see the bible was written in history by humans when they didn't know the world wasn't flat so the concept of life on mars wouldn't be there mars would have been a pretty mental concept then, it could be that god doesn't exist and they didn't know or that god forgot to tell them i know what ibelieve

[SittingBull47]

well, it sort of would be easy to prove it fictional, wouldn't it. I mean, there's actual history written in there and people have somehow proved the existence of the ark. I'm not a believer in organized religion, but it's doubtful that the bible is one big conspiracy theory.

[Spartacus2002]

the biggest evidence that the bible is true is that people are still trying to disprove it, people that say that the bible contradicts itself have not read the whole thing, i could find writings written by marx, guevara, lenin anyone that does a considerable amount of writing and show you excerts from any of them that seem to contradict themselves but if you read it all you know it isent so in stead of reading a verse out of matthew and one out of leviticus why not read the whole thing and understand the context, historical background and different dispensations of the bible. meanwhile saying that the bible is fiction what about things such as josephus, the moabite stone, aceint flood stories from different cultures, biblical archeology, the koran, and other things that cooraberate what the bible says if you really look it is there but our secular media doesent report it. you might wonder why me a communist is so supportive of christianity it is because of an experience i had when i was younger, i was born with bad failing vision i wore glasses for years, i was told by numeros optomitrist after surgeries my eyes would never improve but rather deteriote as i got older, possibly to blindness, but i went to a church a church that is very scripture oriented (none of this post constantine hypocritical christianity) and was prayed for and right after instantly i knew i was healed, the doctors examined after and i now have 20 20 vision how can that be explained it cant. besides that i am a christian communist because jesus and the first church was communist... jesus on many occasions encouraged people to share there goods together and warned against wealth, he told people if you have 2 coats give one to someone without one and many other socialistic teachings, i think many christians specially american ones deny this christian socialism but it is there. christianity is an ally of communism

[Meursault]

The Bible was written by men, not by a deity. What is written in the Bible is basically the opinions of those men. Follow the Bible word for word and you are following the ideals of long dead men. It is best to make your own ideals.

[Dune Dx]

K last message didnt come out right

I am a Christian so u atheists argue with me But ILL WIN

[Wenty]

Mersault - yes it is written by men but followers of God and led by a belief in the ideals set out by christ. So in fact you are believing in the belief of God and what that stands for.

[Trissy]

I am a Christian so u atheists argue with me But ILL WIN

To be fair all the arguments put forward by theology except those which rest on faith have failed or have serious flaws all over them. Just because the argument from faith cannot be defeated as such doesn't mean you win...


yes it is written by men but followers of God and led by a belief in the ideals set out by christ. So in fact you are believing in the belief of God and what that stands for

Ha ha ha....oh but you forget that the majority of the Bible is the Old Testament my friend! This was set down merely by people who believed in the notion of God, and as such this led to the people who killed your very Christ and gave him his claim to fame! Oh you Jews and you Christians do love to pretend you sing from a similar hymn sheet but to be fair you'll never fool those among us who know the true depth of your respective ideologies :lol:

[redstar2000]

But don't you think its just a tad bit weird that every prediction made in the Bible has come true except for one: the second coming of Jesus.

What predictions "came true"?

As to the "second coming", according to the "Book of Revelations", that was supposed to happen "soon". We know that this book was first composed in 65CE and heavily revised around 90CE...so, after 1900 years and change, we're "still waiting". :lol:


And I also find it weird that most Christians I know are living way better lives than any atheist I know.

What's your definition of "way better life"? How many Christians in your sample of the population and how many atheists? How well are you informed about their lives?


Well, it sort of would be easy to prove it fictional, wouldn't it? I mean, there's actual history written in there and people have somehow proved the existence of the ark. I'm not a believer in organized religion, but it's doubtful that the bible is one big conspiracy theory.

No one has "proved the existence of the ark".

And yes, much of the "history" in the "Bible" has been proven to be false.

You must remember that those people did not have our modern conception of history -- "what actually happened". To them, history was a "morality play" intended to "demonstrate" the "power" of "God".

If actual events could be used for this purpose, then fine...they'd not only be used but even exaggerated. If no useful event was available, they'd make one up. That was not "lying" in their view; it was telling a "greater truth".

Just for a few examples: there was no "Abraham", no "Exodus", no "Wandering in the Sinai desert", no "Conquest of the Holy Land", no "Empire of David and Solomon" (they ruled Jerusalem and some surrounding territories, that's all).

"Jesus" almost certainly existed but was born in Nazareth, not Bethlehem, and never traveled to Egypt or any place else further than Jerusalem.

There was no "star of Bethlehem", no "wise men from the east", and King Herod did not murder a bunch of children (though he murdered plenty of his own relatives).

It's probable that "Jesus" was illiterate...most poor Jews were in those days. But he certainly heard the Torah read aloud every Sabbath and he had a good memory.

Naturally, all the "miracles" are total fabrications dating long after his death.


You might wonder why me, a communist, is so supportive of Christianity. It is because of an experience I had when I was younger. I was born with bad failing vision. I wore glasses for years. I was told by numerous optometrists after surgeries [that] my eyes would never improve but rather deteriorate as I got older, possibly to blindness. But I went to a church, a church that is very scripture oriented (none of this post-Constantine hypocritical Christianity), and was prayed for, and right after instantly I knew I was healed. The doctors examined [me] after and I now have 20 20 vision. How can that be explained? It can't.

Praise the Lord! :lol:

Ok, kids, here's what really happened.

1. The surgeries worked. (Optometrists don't perform eye surgery, by the way.)

2. These events took place when this guy was too young to accurately remember them...he's relying on what his pious parents told him.

3. Or, he's a liar!

I'm guessing "3" but "1 & 2" are legitimate possibilities.


I am a Christian communist because Jesus and the first church was communist...

No he wasn't. And only the Jerusalem church "held all things in common" and did so only until 70CE. There's no Biblical evidence to suggest that any other congregation followed the customs of the Jerusalem church.

Further, if "Jesus" wanted people to be communists, why didn't he say so?

Granted, he couldn't use the word (it didn't exist), but he could easily have instructed his disciples and followers in plain language how they were supposed to live in order to "achieve salvation".

In fact, he even neglected to tell them to free their slaves. But he did remember to tell them to pay their taxes.

"Jesus" was no more a communist than you are...which is to say, not at all.

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.vze.com)
A site about communist ideas

[Take the Power back]

This is slightly off-topic, but I think it fits in well. An acquaintance on another forum posted in regard to a thread about same-sex marriage, and deals with the bible, and how to interpret it, quite well.

"....When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to follow them.

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odour for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev.15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev.21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some room for maneuver here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?

i) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean. May I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev.19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev.24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. "

[Wenty]

some of this is taken from the West Wing!

[cubist]

first of all,

the bible is a continuos story, taking extracts out of they're intended context does allow distortion of interpretation,

example, in the bible it says, woman X daughter of saul had no children until she died, 8 chapters later it says mr x son of woman x daugher of saul, that is a contradiction, looking like that, how ever she died in labour and the child survived.

gay marriage is considered wrong by religion and they are right to thing so marriage in england and the US is structured on religion it has lost its value, but only to religous ones those who live in the world where GOD gave them freechoice can do as they please, the romans were renounded for homosexuality.

in judges 19 20-26 it says some evil men knocked on the door of the man and said bring out that man so that we can rape him, the man says do not be so vile, this man is my guest here have my virgin daughet and his concubine instead! the religion that hates same sex marriage is pro rape of virgin girls.

found this on the net in a forum

traditionalists, especially Christian traditionalists need to get a clue about what has really been going on and face the fact that same-sex marriage, if it comes about, will not cause the degeneration of the institution of marriage; it is the result of it."

[cubist]

This is slightly off-topic, but I think it fits in well. An acquaintance on another forum posted in regard to a thread about same-sex marriage, and deals with the bible, and how to interpret it, quite well.

i will have a stab for you just for fun it looks like you just popped on to evil bible and i hate religion anyway

all of the quotes the answers is no and kill them


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Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission, ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite: All of which are American dreams sounds like the christians

[Take the Power back]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 01:03 PM

This is slightly off-topic, but I think it fits in well. An acquaintance on another forum posted in regard to a thread about same-sex marriage, and deals with the bible, and how to interpret it, quite well.

i will have a stab for you just for fun it looks like you just popped on to evil bible and i hate religion anyway

all of the quotes the answers is no and kill them


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Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission, ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite: All of which are American dreams sounds like the christians
Cephas, I seriously hope you are joking. What I posted is in no way pro-bible. There is obvious sarcasm throughout it. It was poking fun at the arguement that gay marriage is wrong, by pointing out other things in the bible which are pointless and have no place in today's society. I am atheist, and I do not wish a religious life style on anybody. Oh, and my sig is a quote from a Rage Against the Machine song, "Know your enemy" I hope you were kidding about that, as well.

[cubist]

lmao did you really think that this was a serious reply man oh dear, take the power back you are going to be part of my new signiture

lets have a look, firstly i said it looks like you just popped on to evil bible.com, that means your not a christian no christian would ever post those things how you did we all know this.

secondly i wouldn't be on this board if i was of that nature would i, socilaism & rightwing religous people don't mix to well

[Xvall]

sorry, i get those confused.

Understandable. It's easy to confuse drug-induced works of fiction with one another.