Non-White Woman Fetish

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

So, I was talking with some friends the other day, and we were talking about how we thinks it's weird the white guys who like specifically only pursue non-white women. Like a fetish, white men who specifically will only date black women or asian women and so on. Is this some bizarre racist throwback? Now I don't mean to say its weird for a white guy to fall in love with a woman whom just so happens to not be white but like, you know what I mean? Cuz in my head it's seems kinda racist. Things could get reversed, it's not necessarily gender specific.

I'm talking about people where it doesn't matter who the person is, their personality, are they in love, are they compatible, are they a piece of shit, are the ugly or worthless or nothing just so long as they fit the racial preference specific to their fetish.

[Bala Perdida]

I've never seen someone go hardline for a one ethnicity over another, but I have seen preferences a lot. I'm Hispanic and I remember my cousin saying he was never going to date anyone outside the culture, but today his girlfriend is Asian. Same with my sister kind of, dating her first white man.
The most annoying thing about ethnic mixing in Hispanic culture, that I've noticed is prominent, is the preference. Blonde white people are like a jewel to the elders in my family. It's so annoying, my mom keeps telling me to marry a blonde white women so she could have blonde children.:rolleyes:
So growing up in the US, many Hispanics grow a preference to staying within their culture, or not. Now that I think of it I do have a cousin that says she won't date Hispanics, her mom does not mind at all.:rolleyes: But what I've noticed is that those who grow up for a long time in a country like Mexico are fucking in love with white people.
To answer your question people that dismiss their culture, or race or whatever, from their dating circles probably just dislike their culture or something. That's why my cousin says she won't date Hispanics. Which I've never thought about, but that does qualify as racism.

[Lynx]

Whether or not it's perceived as a fetish, it's not racist. Racists are driven by fear.

[synthesis]

Depends on why.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Whether or not it's perceived as a fetish, it's not racist. Racists are driven by fear.

I disagree, in so much as, I don't think racists are motivated by 'fear' or anxiety towards interactions with members of another ethnic group or some particular phobia involving melanin or any other stereotypes/jokes I and we would typically issue to such people.


Depends on why.

Could elaborate a little bit please? I ask simply because they 'why' seems like it could be irrelevant, to a degree.

[Tim Cornelis]

I don't think 'those people' exist anywhere where I live, so I'm guessing that may be you are misinterpreting men having a preference for non-white women, like others may have a preference for blondes, as a fetish for one particular race. It isn't that they only want to date one specific race, but that, on average, they are more likely to be attracted toward that specific race...... I'm guessing.

My pop-psychology explanation for this is that maybe women of the same race remind some men subconsciously of their sister....

[Slavic]

@vox

If your referring to the only criteria being the color of one's skin, then I would agree that is essentially racist. I've never met or heard of people doing that, typically those I see dating another race do so because of particular physical attractions

[Quail]

I don't think there's a problem with someone finding themselves more attracted to certain people than others, but I don't think that's what Vox Populi is talking about. I don't have experience of racism myself, but from what I've read and conversations I've had with friends, there are some men out there who treat women who aren't white as "exotic" and fetishise the way they look. There are also other casually racist things people might say/think about women from various ethnic groups, such as assuming that all Asian women fit a certain standard of beauty.

[M-L-C-F]

This is like the stereotype of white girls with black guys. But seriously, it depends on the reasoning. Like I've known men and women who have been burned by the opposite gender in their race. So they try to date outside their race, to change it up. I don't view that as racist. Because they're just giving something else a try. On the other hand, there's the white people who say they aren't attracted to black people. That's straight up racism, and is absolutely bullshit. I've heard that shit said so many times, it makes me sick.

As for me, I've dated my fair share of white women. I've had a Japanese girlfriend too. But I've yet to date a Latina or a black girl. I'd like to date a Latina, a black girl, or another Asian girl. That's my preference at this moment. I jokingly told my co-workers at my last job, when I broke up with my last ex-girlfriend. That I was "done with white women". But I was joking, and if I get involved with another white woman again next, then so be it. It's merely preference, not exclusion for me. Whoever I'm attracted to and get with, I get with. As race doesn't matter in the end.

[Rosa Partizan]

what synthesis said. You should explore the reasons. I know, I'm kinda obsessed with porn :laugh: but look at it, they kinda reflect society. Asian women are humble, shy and obedient, black women are kinky and fierce, latinas are exotic, sassy and so on. Why do you never find such descriptions or attributes connected to white women in porn? 'cause they are the standard and everything else gets fetishized. This is disgusting and everything but a compliment to non-white women. So if you hope that you get some obedient woman when you find an Asian girl, you're not someone with just preferences, you're a racist asshole and should fuck yourself with a knife. Goddamn this makes me so mad when only writing about it.

Look at that.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/hnigatu/10-ridiculously-offensive-things-people-tell-asian-women-on

[Left Voice]

As others have said, it depends on the reason.

If the reason is simply preference in the same way as hair colour, hair length, or the like, then I don't think anything sinister can be read into it. After all, these are just mentally constructed rather than set rules - somebody might claim prefer brunettes, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't date a blonde girl (for example). These mental constructs and preferences don't result in the exclusion of those who don't fit the criteria.

On the other hand, there certainly can be more sinister cases. For example, western guys who might prefer to date an Asian girl because of the stereotype of them being timid, not used to expressing their opinions, deferring everything to the male within the relationship etc. There are people who date girls based on these criteria, and this is obviously terrible misogynistic. I know a fair few people who do this and it's horrible, they're just taking advantage and revelling in their own self-perceived 'masculinity'.

But lets be fair, most people just find the idea of dating somebody from a different race or culture to be interesting. Nothing more sinister than that.

As an aside, my wife is Asian and I am white. I live in an Asian country so this is not particularly uncommon. I admit to being attracted to Asian girls, but that's not to say I'm not equally attracted to white or black girls.

[adipocere]

I think that men who specifically persue women based on their membership in a racial or cultural outgroup has less to do with racism and more to do with a man leveraging his white male economic and social status when it is his only selling point.

For instance, I have known several white men who are just like you describe who only date asian women - doesn't seem to matter who the women are or even if they speak English. What the men all have in common are various personality disorders that makes it virtually impossible for them to relate to their social peers ie white (American) women.

Sometimes the personality disorder is plain misogynist creepiness, other times the men are just really immature and insecure to the point of being disadvantaged, sometimes it's a mixure of both and the man is just really inappropriate with women. At the end of it however, it's a fundamental insecurity with themselves and their own social groups that seems to drive it. Of course it should be said that they rarely last long with asian women. I mean using 5 comptuers to torrent hardcore porn 24/7 while you scream at Call of Duty isn't exactly a hit with them either.

[Atsumari]

I have a feeling that my dad only married my mother because of Yellow Fever. My dad once confessed during some real talk that he wanted a Japanese wife and 30 years later, their marriage ended up being pretty shitty which made me happy honestly. I still hate him for that to this day and probably until the day he dies.

But concerning the Asian fetish, a lot of it is rooted in misogyny and the reasoning is that it's because white women have been corrupted by feminism. Asian women on the other know how to cook, know how to listen, they have a high sex drive, crave the big white cock over the tiny yellow dick, and they are proud to be women. Fortunately, these stereotypes are completely untrue since anyone who grew up with an Asian mother tend to have more in common with a tiger than with a lamb.

On a related note, one of the most messed up things someone told me is that he loves Japanese women because they can still be 20 and have a face of a 12 year old. I hope fucks like that burn in hell.

[Diirez]

Even if someone has a fetish for one race, for instance a white man who likes Asian women or vice verse, I don't think that's racist. It's like saying a man's sexist for only liking women or a man is sexist for only liking men, or vice versa. Sexuality and sexual preferences just really complex.

[Rosa Partizan]

I gotta add that some white women also experience fetishizing. Not so much in porn but in everyday life. At a party, some guy - not knowing I'm one of these annoying feminists - was like (when he heard I'm from former Yugoslavia): "So you're from Eastern Europe? (well, actually, south eastern, but to some people in Germany, the whole Balkans is like Eastern Europe :rolleyes:) This is great, those ladies there are real women and aren't ashamed of it, and they treat guys like real guys instead of yelling at them in their sweatpants and greasy hair". Actually, apart from that greasy hair, that sounds totally like me.

[RA89]

I always thought a lot of white guys went after asian girls because -

1] they grew up on anime, creepy cartoons where every girl looks and sounds like a child
2] it is easier for some white guys to get with asian girls as many asian communities worship white/light people

Obviously not every case is like that, I'm sure many couples love each other with no thought for race.

[Atsumari]

I always thought a lot of white guys went after asian girls because -

1] they grew up on anime, creepy cartoons where every girl looks and sounds like a child
2] it is easier for some white guys to get with asian girls as many asian communities worship white/light people

Obviously not every case is like that, I'm sure many couples love each other with no thought for race.
Bullshit
White people are not that special. Go to Thailand for example and you will see that most of the girls there do not like white guys but rather Korean. I think the only Asian country where much of the population is obsessed with being European is China to that point that there was a song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-dgbqgczNk)that talked about it.
Other than that, this myth that Asians want to be like the West in aesthetics has to stop.


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[consuming negativity]

This is like the stereotype of white girls with black guys. But seriously, it depends on the reasoning. Like I've known men and women who have been burned by the opposite gender in their race. So they try to date outside their race, to change it up. I don't view that as racist. Because they're just giving something else a try. On the other hand, there's the white people who say they aren't attracted to black people. That's straight up racism, and is absolutely bullshit. I've heard that shit said so many times, it makes me sick.

As for me, I've dated my fair share of white women. I've had a Japanese girlfriend too. But I've yet to date a Latina or a black girl. I'd like to date a Latina, a black girl, or another Asian girl. That's my preference at this moment. I jokingly told my co-workers at my last job, when I broke up with my last ex-girlfriend. That I was "done with white women". But I was joking, and if I get involved with another white woman again next, then so be it. It's merely preference, not exclusion for me. Whoever I'm attracted to and get with, I get with. As race doesn't matter in the end.

It is a stereotype but it's based in truth to a minor degree. White women and black men are much more likely to date or marry outside of their race than white men or black women. Which, of course, isn't to imply that the white women are dating black men. Asian women are also more likely than Asian men to date outside of their race. And black women on the whole outnumber black men in America. I know several black women and white men who mostly date outside of their races just based on the demographics of where they live. Some people will get used to dating outside their race and actually find dating within their race different, after spending a long amount of time with a partner from another race. I think even a lot of prejudiced people can be happily married to someone outside of their race; perhaps even someone else who is mutually prejudiced against a third race.

Of course, all of that makes sense when you consider that race isn't really a biological thing so much as a social construct. We're all subject to the weird idiosyncrasies of humanity, albeit we all have very different experiences regardless based on what constructs we happen to be expected to abide by or be judged by. For example, Asian women may actually date less white men precisely because white men, as the socially privileged race, may be more inclined to act like idiots to her as opposed to Asian, black, or other men. And some minority men may be more inclined to want to date white women because the standards of beauty that they see represented in the media are airbrushed women with light skin. But I don't have statistics on any of those. And I just realized I included next to no information based on homosexual relationships, or any other non-heterosexual relationships. Sorry, I just don't know them off the top of my head as they aren't made as readily available. Some elaboration would be appropriate if someone could do so, but I think the general pattern I laid out holds true pretty much regardless of who is in what relationship with who.

In short, I think the nail has been hit on the head pretty well - don't fetishize, exoticize, and/or degrade people, but it's fine to have preferences, even if they're based in bullshit.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Even if someone has a fetish for one race, for instance a white man who likes Asian women or vice verse, I don't think that's racist. It's like saying a man's sexist for only liking women or a man is sexist for only liking men, or vice versa. Sexuality and sexual preferences just really complex.

No it isn't and it certainly does seem racist. It's objectifying someone based upon both their gender and ethnic origin, the novelty or utility here being "exotic." I once sold an old man, a WWII vet, whom quote "got him an oriental," and was proud of this fact apparently, so much so because he said it right in front of his wife.

[Lynx]

I disagree, in so much as, I don't think racists are motivated by 'fear' or anxiety towards interactions with members of another ethnic group or some particular phobia involving melanin or any other stereotypes/jokes I and we would typically issue to such people.
What do you believe motivates people to express hatred?

[Rusty Shackleford]

exotification of non-whites and self-hate/guilt are not really progressive motivators for sexual attraction in this case... I'm honestly a bit suspicious of people who exclusively prefer one group or exclusively avoid a certain group.

[Slavic]

exotification of non-whites and self-hate/guilt are not really progressive motivators for sexual attraction in this case... I'm honestly a bit suspicious of people who exclusively prefer one group or exclusively avoid a certain group.

No one is talking about sexual attraction, the issue at hand is seeking a mate based on their race and that alone which is racist.

What the hell are progressive motivators for sexual attraction?

[Rusty Shackleford]

No one is talking about sexual attraction, the issue at hand is seeking a mate based on their race and that alone which is racist.

What the hell are progressive motivators for sexual attraction?

let me re-word that last part there. its not 'progressive' if some lefty is like 'oh, ill only date non-whites' or whatever.

[ComradeOm]

No it isn't and it certainly does seem racist. It's objectifying someone based upon both their gender and ethnic origin, the novelty or utility here being "exotic." I once sold an old man, a WWII vet, whom quote "got him an oriental," and was proud of this fact apparently, so much so because he said it right in front of his wife.Is there a reason that you've chosen to completely ignore the nuances expressed and discussed above in this thread?

[Psycho P and the Freight Train]

Yes, it is racist to treat them as fetishes generally.

However, that being said, I don't think it's racist to be exclusively attracted to certain races or even just one race. Even if it's your own. If that is racist, then using that logic, it must be sexist to be anything other than pansexual. And I hardly think anyone would agree with that.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Is there a reason that you've chosen to completely ignore the nuances expressed and discussed above in this thread?

Idk rephrase the question and maybe I'll tell ya, lol

[synthesis]

How about race-play (http://jezebel.com/5868600/when-prejudice-is-sexy-inside-the-kinky-world-of-race-play)? Is that racist?

[Lynx]

How about race-play (http://jezebel.com/5868600/when-prejudice-is-sexy-inside-the-kinky-world-of-race-play)? Is that racist?
It's consensual.

[#FF0000]

It's consensual.

Yeah but that doesn't mean something can't be a lil fucked up, surely?

[Psycho P and the Freight Train]

Yeah but that doesn't mean something can't be a lil fucked up, surely?

Fucked up sure, but you can't judge what other people do in the privacy of their bedrooms as long as it is consensual.

[#FF0000]

Fucked up sure, but you can't judge what other people do in the privacy of their bedrooms as long as it is consensual.

Nah I'm pretty sure you can. I mean, you can't say "yo this is wrong and those people are bad" but I think we can take a critical look at the practices themselves.

[Psycho P and the Freight Train]

Nah I'm pretty sure you can. I mean, you can't say "yo this is wrong and those people are bad" but I think we can take a critical look at the practices themselves.

Hm ok well fair enough. I think it's fucked up too for the record.

[synthesis]

It's consensual.

I mean, the relationships described in the OP are (hypothetically, hopefully) consensual as well, yet that doesn't appear to have any bearing on the discussion about whether or not they're racist.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I've seen women engage in this phenomenon too (ie women who tell me that they won't date men within their own various "communities", for reasons usually directly related to bigoted assumptions of some sort)

When I see this with men, it's usually not presented as "ANYONE BUT WHITE WOMEN", it's more like an fetishization of one ethnic group or "race" in particular.

[Lynx]

I mean, the relationships described in the OP are (hypothetically, hopefully) consensual as well, yet that doesn't appear to have any bearing on the discussion about whether or not they're racist.
We are free to discuss it, but what purpose would it serve? After all, what goes on in a consensual relationship is none of our business.

[Dictator]

op - hardly racist - I prefer East Asian women myself, just think they are better looking and more feminine.........:)

[TC]

There is I think a difference between objectifying people because of their race (or sex) such that you regard them as instrumental to yourself, as not their own persons with agency but as objects of your desire. This is racist when its direct at a particular race and sexist when its directed to a sex.

But simply having a sexual preference (whether exclusive or not) for people with a particular look is no more racist than having a sexual preference for a particular sex is sexist.

[Quail]

op - hardly racist - I prefer East Asian women myself, just think they are better looking and more feminine.........:)

Don't you think that is based on stereotypes that you have about East Asian women though? You can't just make a sweeping statement like that about all women of a certain ethnicity.

[CalmlikeaBomb]

I don't see how it's racist at all. racist hate people that are not like themselves. So if a white man was dating a black women that's about as far from being a racist as one can get, IMO. I myself have dated many women of many races back in the day. I eventually married a Scot-Irish/German gal.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

So, I was talking with some friends the other day, and we were talking about how we thinks it's weird the white guys who like specifically only pursue non-white women. Like a fetish, white men who specifically will only date black women or asian women and so on. Is this some bizarre racist throwback? Now I don't mean to say its weird for a white guy to fall in love with a woman whom just so happens to not be white but like, you know what I mean? Cuz in my head it's seems kinda racist. Things could get reversed, it's not necessarily gender specific.

I'm talking about people where it doesn't matter who the person is, their personality, are they in love, are they compatible, are they a piece of shit, are the ugly or worthless or nothing just so long as they fit the racial preference specific to their fetish.

I don't know, people just have their preferences. I am chicana and I definitely prefer southern men from below the mason-dixon. From Virginia, the Carolinas and Georgia to Texas. I don't, however, keep that as a limit. Southern men just happens to be who I will most likely find myself attracted to.

[Slavic]

I don't see how it's racist at all. racist hate people that are not like themselves. So if a white man was dating a black women that's about as far from being a racist as one can get, IMO. I myself have dated many women of many races back in the day. I eventually married a Scot-Irish/German gal.


Its racists for a white man to date a black woman because "all black woman are sassy and outgoing".

Its not racist for a white man to date a black woman because he finds the typical black woman attractive.

The discussion is about dating a member of another race primarily because of their perceived stereotypes not because of physical attraction.

[Rosa Partizan]

I don't see how it's racist at all. racist hate people that are not like themselves. So if a white man was dating a black women that's about as far from being a racist as one can get, IMO. I myself have dated many women of many races back in the day. I eventually married a Scot-Irish/German gal.

oh c'mon...if you date someone because of racial prejudices like "women from there and there tend to be very feminine/obedient/saucy etc" then this is totally racist. You ascribe certain attributes to an ethnic group as a whole and that is kinda the definition of racist. then there are guys who kinda think when they had sex with a woman from a certain ethnic group, they kinda "humiliate" her and her whole race. This is why interracial porn is so popular, don't let me write down all those porn titles, it's so disgusting I wanna gouge my eyes whenever reading it. Or those guys, like, being proud of having slept with someone from the "enemy", like, turkish guys be like "oh I fucked that greek hottie" or serbian guys be "I banged that croatian girl the whole night", don't let me get into that bullshit or I'll have to beat up the next person I meet, cause it makes me so angry.

[Dictator]

Don't you think that is based on stereotypes that you have about East Asian women though? You can't just make a sweeping statement like that about all women of a certain ethnicity.

It's not a stereotype really - I live in East Asia, have done so for 10 years now - and can say that thankfully, the attitude of bourgeiosie, western feminsim is very rare here amongst the local women.

The bad attitude is not prevalent here like it is back in the West.

[Slavic]

The bad attitude is not prevalent here like it is back in the West.

Care to elaborate? What is this bad attitude that "Western feminists" have that east Asian women don't possess.

[Dictator]

Western feminism, on the whole, is not Marxist in any shape or form.

It is inherently, bourgeiosie, liberal, me-first - hence, a tool of the capitalist.

[Slavic]

Western feminism, on the whole, is not Marxist in any shape or form.

It is inherently, bourgeiosie, liberal, me-first - hence, a tool of the capitalist.

I asked what is this "bad attitude".

[Dictator]

The attitude of 'I am more important than you, because I am an attractive woman' - IOW: la bourgeoisie

[Sinister Intents]

Western feminism, on the whole, is not Marxist in any shape or form.

It is inherently, bourgeiosie, liberal, me-first - hence, a tool of the capitalist.


The attitude of 'I am more important than you, because I am an attractive woman' - IOW: la bourgeoisie

Oh really? So feminism is liberal? There are liberal feminists, but feminism is a great and necesary thing and I've never seen this sexist bullshit you're mentioning.

[synthesis]

The attitude of 'I am more important than you, because I am an attractive woman' - IOW: la bourgeoisie

You're a dick, dude.

[Sinister Intents]

You're a dick, dude.

I fully agree, and I'm generally against people calling each other names for genitals, but this is spot on!

Also I'm attracted to all women, I used to have a preference for people with darker skin, but I'm just attracted to all women.

[Slavic]

The attitude of 'I am more important than you, because I am an attractive woman' - IOW: la bourgeoisie

Im pretty sure you have no concept of what feminism actually is.

[#FF0000]

Western feminism, on the whole, is not Marxist in any shape or form.

I wanna believe that you're just talking about liberal feminism here, but giving someone the benefit of the doubt on this has never worked out well for me.

What do you think of Radical feminist/Marxist feminist currents?

Also, you totally avoided the whole "what attitudes are you talking about" question.

[Loony Le Fist]

This is a very interesting thread. It provided a possible explanation as to why some very right-wing individual I was dating couldn't get enough of me. :laugh:

Seriously, I never thought about it, but I'm pretty sure they had a fetish for the stereotypical hispanic male. I remember them having a real thing for Ricky Ricardo on the show Lucy and bringing this up often. I realize more and more each day what a good thing it was to get away from them.

[Dictator]

Oh really? So feminism is liberal? There are liberal feminists, but feminism is a great and necesary thing and I've never seen this sexist bullshit you're mentioning.

Yes, feminism on the whole is liberal.

[Dictator]

You're a dick, dude.

Great argument, I'm impressed:rolleyes:

[Dictator]

What do you think of Radical feminist/Marxist feminist currents?

It suffers from faulty logic, mainly due to the corrupting influence of liberal capitalism.

[Rosa Partizan]

complaining about "selfish feminists", seen that a few times too often to not know what the real fuss is all about....poor baby :(

[synthesis]

Great argument, I'm impressed:rolleyes:

What is there to argue with? "I like Asian women because Western women have a 'bad attitude' due to feminism which is all liberal"? You are a stain on humanity.

also

inb4 the ban

[Rosa Partizan]

synthesis, don't you bother about that, your argument was spot on :laugh:

[#FF0000]

It suffers from faulty logic, mainly due to the corrupting influence of liberal capitalism.

Anything specific?

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

It suffers from faulty logic, mainly due to the corrupting influence of liberal capitalism.

Brocialism, maaaaan! :rolleyes:

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

The bad attitude is not prevalent here like it is back in the West.

Pssshht I don't got attitude, pendejo. You got a pigheaded problem.

[Ven0m]

I have a friend who is an Asian, he always noticed that there is a correlation between guys' age and their preference for Asians. It seems to him like the older they are, the more they are open to Asians.

Why is this? Anyone else felt this way?
They did not care for Asians when he was in hiis 20s but all of they sudden found they were into him when they were too old for other hotties?

Of course, there are some natural-born Asian chasers. Trust me, I KNOW that. But still there is a proportional imbalance in the age and propensity to love asians. Most asian chasers are pretty old!
He has no problem with it, but wonders if it's just because of the Asians ability to remain a youthful look and have boy bodies at any age. He fears that his sexual life is nothing more than an object for older men to express their pedophile tendencies.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

I have a friend who is an Asian, he always noticed that there is a correlation between guys' age and their preference for Asians. It seems to him like the older they are, the more they are open to Asians.

Why is this? Anyone else felt this way?
They did not care for Asians when he was in hiis 20s but all of they sudden found they were into him when they were too old for other hotties?

Of course, there are some natural-born Asian chasers. Trust me, I KNOW that. But still there is a proportional imbalance in the age and propensity to love asians. Most asian chasers are pretty old!
He has no problem with it, but wonders if it's just because of the Asians ability to remain a youthful look and have boy bodies at any age. He fears that his sexual life is nothing more than an object for older men to express their pedophile tendencies.

I think that is similar to the attraction towards asian women in many cases, there is assumed a more... quiet and submissive role culturally ascribed thereto, which attracts people (men primarily, often of some age) of a particular type, who because their past relationships failed start chasing what might be perceived as a more "pliable" target.

Naturally, this isn't all - I for one always been into sum' jpnz boyz because I think white men are hideous beasts (generally - exception's naturally exist in all categories) - but it must be a significant amount that are such. One sees a lot of them, and they don't tend to be shy about their sleazy ways (I guess this is part of the age thing, also, I guess they might not care any more about how it looks).

[Loony Le Fist]

Pssshht I don't got attitude, pendejo. You got a pigheaded problem.

One of the most appropriate responses to this douche. :laugh: If that's an attitude, I think it's great. More power to you.


Oh really? So feminism is liberal? There are liberal feminists, but feminism is a great and necesary thing and I've never seen this sexist bullshit you're mentioning.

Definitely. I have to admit though, after seeing these radical and Marxist feminists in action, I can't help but notice how powerful they seem in comparison to liberal feminists. Before this site, I had no idea feminists that strong even existed.

[Wuggums47]

I don't think it's racist, but it seems odd to me to prefer any specific race. Personally I don't care an awful lot about that, all races have the same types of people in different shells. And every race has it's own aesthetic perks. I suppose some people will have a preference, and I doubt there is much they can do about it, so I don't fault them for it.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

I must however confess that I find southern (dixie) accents attractive on men and I don't completely understand why. I guess it is kinda like how I for some reason often find the whole tough guy thing attractive too. Neither of those things is based off race. I reckon southern accents just sound good to my ears, and make me melt.

I must say those things are more of a pattern I've noticed than a conscious choice.

[Loony Le Fist]

The attitude of 'I am more important than you, because I am an attractive woman' - IOW: la bourgeoisie


Western feminism, on the whole, is not Marxist in any shape or form.

It is inherently, bourgeiosie, liberal, me-first - hence, a tool of the capitalist.

I remember thinking this way. These privileged western women. :laugh:

You sound exactly like I did when I was an MRA.

Feminism isn't about "The attitude of 'I am more important than you, because I am an attractive woman'". Anyone that calls themselves a feminist and thinks that way, ceases to be a feminist. In fact, it is that very piece social conditioning that so powerfully demonstrates the complete hegemony of the patriarchy. This social and philosophical construct creates a scale by which women are judged almost entirely by their physical appearance. A consequence of this is that some women will be given great value, despite the poor content of their character. It is not feminism, but the patriarchy that reinforces this idea of women getting value solely as a result of aesthetics rather than accomplishment. Nonetheless, this consequence pales in comparison to all the more odious ones.

How would you feel if people judged you all day based on how you looked and almost nothing else? As a man, it's tough to understand, since society doesn't really require us to worry as much about the way we look. While you might be able to argue that there has been a recent uptick objectifying men more in recent years, compared to the objectification of women it is barely a blip on the radar.

Feminism is about gender equality. No more, no less. You completely misunderstand feminism, just as I once did.

[The Red Star Rising]

So, I was talking with some friends the other day, and we were talking about how we thinks it's weird the white guys who like specifically only pursue non-white women. Like a fetish, white men who specifically will only date black women or asian women and so on. Is this some bizarre racist throwback? Now I don't mean to say its weird for a white guy to fall in love with a woman whom just so happens to not be white but like, you know what I mean? Cuz in my head it's seems kinda racist. Things could get reversed, it's not necessarily gender specific.

I'm talking about people where it doesn't matter who the person is, their personality, are they in love, are they compatible, are they a piece of shit, are the ugly or worthless or nothing just so long as they fit the racial preference specific to their fetish.
Rule 36, if it exists, there is not only someone who fetishizes it, but there is a whole community of people who fetishize it. Human sexuality is a complex and wonderful thing. Though sometimes the reasons for the race fetishization such as "Asian women are more submissive" are motivated by racism. (Hopefully) most of the time it's just due to them finding the other ethnicity's phenotype more attractive rather than anything borne out of racist stereotypes.

[apawllo*]

I was watching the video for Red Light Special by TLC back in 1994 and got my first hard on. Fast forward 20 years, and I have a girlfriend who looks like T-boz.