So, I started an all anarchist internet forum.

[Sinister Intents]

http://theanarchistboard.freeforums.net/

Anyone from RevLeft can go ahead and join :) I started it with EchoShock, and two other awesome users help (Quail and Domela)!

Post your thoughts!

[Sasha]

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[Sasha]

;)

[Sinister Intents]

:p

[M-L-C-F]

As someone who has participated in multiple splits with this site, or side forums in the past. It never lasts long. I say we all take bets on how long it actually does last. You're lucky this site is more friendly to this sorta thing now. If this was 8, 9, or 10 years ago, you'd be banned soon. But the CC isn't here to get all pissy, and have a tantrum about stuff like this anymore. :rolleyes:

[Sinister Intents]

As a side note: It's supposed to be a sister site to RevLeft, but not for the Marxists, just anarchists

[M-L-C-F]

As a side note: It's supposed to be a sister site to RevLeft, but not for the Marxists, just anarchists

Ah, segregate and divide! I see how it is... :glare:

[Sinister Intents]

Ah, segregate and divide! I see how it is... :glare:

More like a separate forum for RevLeft anarchists, but Marxists and their variants can join :) I'll just restrict the authoritarian socialists... I don't think all Marxists are authoritarians, and not all Leninists are authoritarians.

Trots immediately get restricted and same with Stalinites

[M-L-C-F]

More like a separate forum for RevLeft anarchists, but Marxists and their variants can join :) I'll just restrict the authoritarian socialists... I don't think all Marxists are authoritarians, and not all Leninists are authoritarians.

Trots immediately get restricted and same with Stalinites

Well, I'm a mixture of authoritarian and libertarian. It all depends on the context of the subject and/or situation. On the political compass, I score pretty libertarian (since people seem to like that thing). I also sympathize to the Marxist-De Leonist flavour of syndicalism. Despite being a Marxist-Leninist (a non-Stalinist one at that). Would I get the boot?

[Sinister Intents]

MLCF, I'm sure you'd be safe from restriction considering the fact it does depend on context :) Some users, specifically the Trots would be restricted. Go ahead and join! Start a thread! Any thread

[M-L-C-F]

MLCF, I'm sure you'd be safe from restriction considering the fact it does depend on context :) Some users, specifically the Trots would be restricted. Go ahead and join! Start a thread! Any thread

I'm not a Trot, but I like and respect certain Trots though. James P. Cannon, Farrell Dobbs, and Evelyn Reed, were all cool. Does that change anything?

Also, what about those crazy ass Anarcho-Maoists and Anarcho-Trots? I never got those motherfuckers. All I see is Mao and Trotsky shaking their heads at those guys.

They aren't as nuts as Anarcho-Capitalists though. :mad:

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

More like a separate forum for RevLeft anarchists, but Marxists and their variants can join :) I'll just restrict the authoritarian socialists... I don't think all Marxists are authoritarians, and not all Leninists are authoritarians.

Trots immediately get restricted and same with Stalinites

nothing like an internet dictator to control the authoritarians eh? ;)

[Sinister Intents]

Some Trots are alright, like the Revleft users Inertia(banned) and Vincent West, I hate most of the other Trots, but there are others I like. The AnMaoists, AnTrots, AnCaps, AnNationalist, and other non anarchists will get restricted or banned. Of course I have a no platform policy for fash :)

[Sinister Intents]

nothing like an internet dictator to control the authoritarians eh? ;)

Yes!!! :grin: You should join possibly

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

ban everyone you hate hmmkay

[Sinister Intents]

ban everyone you hate hmmkay

No lol, I'll be fair, but I'll definitely restrict the authoritarians

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

authoritarian can mean quite a lot though. Anything from full-on fascism to restricting people on an internet forum.

[consuming negativity]

I might check it out but I'm not sure it's really necessary.

[Sinister Intents]

authoritarian can mean quite a lot though. Anything from full-on fascism to restricting people on an internet forum.

Indeed, and I do see how that makes me an authoritarian in a way, but there will be distinctions made and as the site grows, so will have to the number of mods to help make sure it's a smoothe ride. Also sadly you can't have socialism in one internet forum :( It must cover the whole internte

[M-L-C-F]

I should be safe on your forums. So long as I don't talk about being both pro-Stalin and pro-Trotsky. In the sense how I think they both should've stopped being *****es, and worked together. :p

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

I plan to join and contribute, I'm sorry for not responding to either of you my lovelies until now.


I should be safe on your forums. So long as I don't talk about being both pro-Stalin and pro-Trotsky. In the sense how I think they both should've stopped being *****es, and worked together. :p

Stop being what now?

[Bala Perdida]

I gotta check this out. But from the sound of it I plan to join.

[Hit The North]

Trots immediately get restricted

Oh, I should probably tell you to stick your forum up your arse then :)

[M-L-C-F]

I plan to join and contribute, I'm sorry for not responding to either of you my lovelies until now.



Stop being what now?

Female dogs... However, I wasn't really being serious in calling them that. Just fucking around. Like how I'm just messing around with Sinister Intents in this topic. If you wanna get mad over me using slang in a non-serious manner. I'm sorry for offending you, it's not meant to be taken seriously. It's bleeped out, so whatever. It's not like I bypassed the censorship or anything.

I could call them dicks instead. If you want equal opportunity. :laugh:

[DOOM]

Some Trots are alright, like the Revleft users Inertia(banned) and Vincent West, I hate most of the other Trots, but there are others I like. The AnMaoists, AnTrots, AnCaps, AnNationalist, and other non anarchists will get restricted or banned. Of course I have a no platform policy for fash :)

eh wut

[Hrafn]

I'd love to be an Anarcho-Maoist. It combines the best of both worlds. :lol:

[DOOM]

I'd love to be an Anarcho-Maoist. It combines the best of both worlds. :lol:

Some people seem to have an ideology fetish lol
However, what would an Anarcho-Trotskyist be like?
This sounds so wrong in so many ways

[BIXX]

Some people seem to have an ideology fetish lol
However, what would an Anarcho-Trotskyist be like?
This sounds so wrong in so many ways


Idk a modern platformist?

I just pulled that out if my ass to be fair. I have no idea. It would probably be some academic bullshit.

[Sinister Intents]

Oh, I should probably tell you to stick your forum up your arse then :)

I'm prone to favoritism when it comes to Trots ;) Sentinel is awesome as well

[Comrade Jacob]

I'd love to be an Anarcho-Maoist. It combines the best of both worlds. :lol:

I have considered this myself...

[Comrade Jacob]

I'm prone to favoritism when it comes to Trots
:crying: Fine, be like that.:laugh:

[Sinister Intents]

I have considered this myself...


:crying: Fine, be like that.:laugh:

Hmmm, so anarchist leaning Maoist?

I like other Marxists more than trots!

[Slavoj Zizek's Balls]

I'm on it, my description in the introduction section should help clarify how my personal ideology functions.

[M-L-C-F]

So, I made an account there, and I posted too. Not gonna lie, your forum's software sucks. As archaic as it is, InvisionFree would've been a better choice to use. :ohmy:

[BIXX]

So, I made an account there, and I posted too. Not gonna lie, your forum's software sucks. As archaic as it is, InvisionFree would've been a better choice to use. :ohmy:


I am under the impression (SI would know better) that we are only using this in the interim before we get a brand new shiny software or something. Right now we are just trying to figure out funding it seems. (Ask SI for more details)

[Futility Personified]

Splitters! (i'm too lazy to post the link but let's just ask ourselves what the romans have ever done for us)

[Lord Testicles]

As someone who has participated in multiple splits with this site, or side forums in the past. It never lasts long. I say we all take bets on how long it actually does last. You're lucky this site is more friendly to this sorta thing now. If this was 8, 9, or 10 years ago, you'd be banned soon. But the CC isn't here to get all pissy, and have a tantrum about stuff like this anymore. :rolleyes:

Are you talking about Rebel Alliance?

[M-L-C-F]

Are you talking about Rebel Alliance?

Why yes, yes I am. :lol:

[Slavoj Zizek's Balls]

This doesn't seem like a negative split that holds RevLeft to be an awful website, it merely seems to be a forum concentrating purely on Anarchism (that has ties to RevLeft). Surely that's good?

[Quail]

I don't know if it could really be considered a split, unless Echoshock and SI are leaving us and trying to poach our members which as far as I can tell, they're not doing.

[Sinister Intents]

This doesn't seem like a negative split that holds RevLeft to be an awful website, it merely seems to be a forum concentrating purely on Anarchism (that has ties to RevLeft). Surely that's good?


I don't know if it could really be considered a split, unless Echoshock and SI are leaving us and trying to poach our members which as far as I can tell, they're not doing.

It's not a negative split, and I don't look at it as a split :) I plan on staying on RevLeft a long time, and it does concentrate on anarchism, I think it's good.

I plan on staying and I hope EchoShock plans on staying here!

Has this poaching thing happened before?

[BIXX]

I don't know if it could really be considered a split, unless Echoshock and SI are leaving us and trying to poach our members which as far as I can tell, they're not doing.


Speak for yourself, I'm definitely trying to poach revleft's members :lol:

[RedHal]

anarchists already have a group here that only allows anarchists to enter, what's the point of pulling a trot and creating an even smaller forum. Do you anarchists just want to be admins :D

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

"Henceforth the links were broken between anarchism and Marxism: a disastrous event for the working class as each of the two movements would have needed the theoretical and practical contribution of the other." - Daniel Guérin

[M-L-C-F]

"Henceforth the links were broken between anarchism and Marxism: a disastrous event for the working class as each of the two movements would have needed the theoretical and practical contribution of the other." - Daniel Guérin

I got a relevant quote as well: "Crowned heads, wealth and privilege may well tremble should ever again the Black and Red unite!" - Otto von Bismarck.

[BIXX]

anarchists already have a group here that only allows anarchists to enter, what's the point of pulling a trot and creating an even smaller forum. Do you anarchists just want to be admins :D


If we could build a nicer forum within that group we'd be happy to use the revleft domain space I'm sure :D

To the bold: sshhhhh you're exposing us :(

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Is this new forum going to cost money to run?

If so, why not save your money and time and contribute to the community here at Revleft?

You could start a new anarchist group if you want to form a new discussion group, or you could run for mod of one of the vacant fora and use this to stimulate discussion from an anarchist perspective to increase traffic to that forum if you wish.

I don't really see the point in starting a new website, though. I don't 'oppose' it per se, I just don't see what it's going to achieve? A dozen or two dozen members chit-chatting for a few months and talking about the same things that are talked about on Revleft, then the board dies/is forgotten about in 6 months - 1 year.

Stay here :)

[BIXX]

Is this new forum going to cost money to run?

It will not, at least not for now.




If so, why not save your money and time and contribute to the community here at Revleft?

Mainly cause we (the folks who started the forum) wanted to have a more full forum where we wouldn't have to argue out the basics of our theory against authoritarians all the time.




You could start a new anarchist group if you want to form a new discussion group, or you could run for mod of one of the vacant fora and use this to stimulate discussion from an anarchist perspective to increase traffic to that forum if you wish.

We don't just want a discussion group (as they do not have much to offer)- we want a whole forum where we can be left to our own devices.




I don't really see the point in starting a new website, though. I don't 'oppose' it per se, I just don't see what it's going to achieve? A dozen or two dozen members chit-chatting for a few months and talking about the same things that are talked about on Revleft, then the board dies/is forgotten about in 6 months - 1 year.

I'm not gonna pretend to know how long it'll last but I just enjoy that I don't have to deal with the refutation of authoritarian points all the time. Plus I think that will facilitate more calm discussion. Maybe we can get some good discussion for a couple of months then it dies, who knows.




Stay here :)


I plan on doing both.

[M-L-C-F]

*foams at mouth* OMFG! Authoritarianism?!? I MUST REBEL! </Anarchists> ;)

[synthesis]

What does this forum do that Libcom doesn't?

[Dagoth Ur]

Why do you need a separate Anarchist forum? This is revleft, Anarchist/Ultraleftist hub of the nets. Most irl Marxists don't even post here. I only do because you guys say really stupid stuff sometimes and it is good to have a foil, for the both of us. ;)

[Bala Perdida]

Most irl Marxists don't even post here. Whats that?
I only do because you guys say really stupid stuff sometimes and it is good to have a foil, for the both of us. ;) That seems agreeable. Also I'm hoping my first question didn't prove your second quoted point. HAHA. Anyways, I think making an anarchist forum is just a way to get a 'stricter' anarchist perspective on things. I always see threads started entitled "marxist perspective of ___", which I don't mind. I guess this works to consolidate anarchist views. That's my opinion at least.
I can't think of any other reasons without knowing what "irl" is. You also seem to use the term ultra-left very loosely, so trying to bring up the presence of Marxists (as seen by anarchists) could be easily seen as infighting (with views like yours). Although I guess all this division is leftist infighting, which I was hoping this forum would help soften when I joined it. I guess we're not killing each other, so that's a win. I also don't want anyone from any tendency to be isolated in thought, so yes a 'foil' is very beneficial.

[Dagoth Ur]

irl = in real life. And I'm not saying there aren't Marxists on this forum, I am here for one. This website has more ultra-left marxists than most places.

[M-L-C-F]

Why do you need a separate Anarchist forum? This is revleft, Anarchist/Ultraleftist hub of the nets. Most irl Marxists don't even post here. I only do because you guys say really stupid stuff sometimes and it is good to have a foil, for the both of us. ;)

I completely agree with this statement. It's why I didn't bother posting much here before, and stopped coming here all together for a few years. The old chat was fun, but this site shouldn't be taken seriously. I've really only come back, cause I'm bored not having a job. Though having some conversation is nice. It's just fun to have a go with the people here. Cause in the end, posting here is not like talking to other workers or leftists irl. I take only a handful of people here seriously.

I suppose this site has good potential for education. But it never really did me any good, as reading on my own is what's progressed me. The infighting and division is annoying, and people need to get over themselves. I really don't mean to be an asshole either. I'm just being honest, as a person actually having done work with other people and groups irl.

[Dagoth Ur]

Soviet-Empire is a thousand times more of an educational resource than RevLeft. The content quality per post beats the shit out of RevLeft too. It's slower, by a great deal, but still better.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

Why do you need a separate Anarchist forum? This is revleft, Anarchist/Ultraleftist hub of the nets.

That would be an improvement on the current state of the forum, which is a hub for social-democrats and weird kiddie system-builders, a sort of more r-r-radical version of Daily Kos.

[M-L-C-F]

That would be an improvement on the current state of the forum, which is a hub for social-democrats and weird kiddie system-builders, a sort of more r-r-radical version of Daily Kos.

That's another good point. The liberalism here is just so fucking annoying, and so are the egotistical kiddies. That's not being ageist either. As I've talked to 16 year olds before, that prove that the voting age should be at 16. Because they're actually smart in leftist politics. Youths can be very knowledgeable. But a lot of them here, would make you think otherwise.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

That's another good point. The liberalism here is just so fucking annoying, and so are the egotistical kiddies. That's not being ageist either. As I've talked to 16 year olds that prove the voting age should be 16. Because they're actually smart in leftist politics. Youths can be very knowledgeable. But a lot of them here, would make you think otherwise.

I mean, some of the system-builders are probably older than me, by a considerable margin. But I think most are not. And I can understand them, to a point. I went through a similar phase, and I could show you notebooks full of "clever" social plans that:

(1) reiterated things that someone else had said (but I didn't know that) more clearly;

(2) were impractical, confused and, looking back, somewhat worrying; or

(3) both.

Eventually, though, I learned that I am not the smartest person in the world, that the socialists who came before me were not idiots, and that their long-term practical experience in the area of class struggle trumps my teenage smarts.

[M-L-C-F]

I mean, some of the system-builders are probably older than me, by a considerable margin. But I think most are not. And I can understand them, to a point. I went through a similar phase, and I could show you notebooks full of "clever" social plans that:

(1) reiterated things that someone else had said (but I didn't know that) more clearly;

(2) were impractical, confused and, looking back, somewhat worrying; or

(3) both.

Eventually, though, I learned that I am not the smartest person in the world, that the socialists who came before me were not idiots, and that their long-term practical experience in the area of class struggle trumps my teenage smarts.

You don't wanna forget about the kids that don't wanna conform to an existing or any label at all either! :p

[Dagoth Ur]

Ah liberalism's most crafty intellectual trap, designed specifically for the would-be revolutionary.

[motion denied]

Split, eh?

Are sure you're not a trot?

[DOOM]

Calling everything liberal or revisionist that doesn't conform with their ideas
-Tankies

Really, just stop it.

[Decolonize The Left]

Good for you folks. Splinter forums can be very beneficial to some. When I first joined RevLeft I found it much too hostile and overwhelming and spent well over a year on a splinter forum with some of the most kind and knowledgeable leftists I've met. It was vital to the development of my ideas and theories and I hope that this forum brings that to many. Cheers.

[M-L-C-F]

Calling everything liberal or revisionist that doesn't conform with their ideas
-Tankies

Really, just stop it.

Yeah, cause everyone who denounces the liberalism here is a "tankie". </sarcasm>

Typical RevLeft, and typically cliched response. :rolleyes:


Good for you folks. Splinter forums can be very beneficial to some. When I first joined RevLeft I found it much too hostile and overwhelming and spent well over a year on a splinter forum with some of the most kind and knowledgeable leftists I've met. It was vital to the development of my ideas and theories and I hope that this forum brings that to many. Cheers.

The hostility is one of the many reasons why I don't take this place seriously. It doesn't help someone who might feel overwhelmed like you were. It drives away people, and looks bad on us.

[consuming negativity]

Revleft posters are in agreement that none of the others are to be taken seriously and that everybody but themselves is part of the problem. :glare:

[M-L-C-F]

Revleft posters are in agreement that none of the others are to be taken seriously and that everybody but themselves is part of the problem. :glare:

Hey man, I'm all about leftist unity and working together. My issue is with those who are against such cooperation. Because of their liberal viewpoints or even ultra-idealism. Work with me, and I'll work with you. But the juvenile mentality of this site, makes it seem that cooperation is an impossibility here. Also, there's the whole fact that this is merely an internet forum, and nothing more.

[Quail]

It's not necessarily that people are simply hostile to other tendencies, but you can't really "unite" and work with people who have irreconcilable political and tactical differences. It doesn't really work.

[M-L-C-F]

It's not necessarily that people are simply hostile to other tendencies, but you can't really "unite" and work with people who have irreconcilable political and tactical differences. It doesn't really work.

Even if that's the case. It clearly has less to do with political or tactical differences here, and more to do with egos and belligerence. Cause on the internet, you're protected by a computer screen.

[Sinister Intents]

I feel unwelcome here on RevLeft at times. Like I post absolute shit and don't seem like a consistent socialist. That and being non neurotypical it makes it hard. Like when I post something and some fucking Marxist has to point out how shitty my post is.

[M-L-C-F]

I feel unwelcome here on RevLeft at times. Like I post absolute shit and don't seem like a consistent socialist. That and being non neurotypical it makes it hard. Like when I post something and some fucking Marxist has to point out how shitty my post is.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. It's bullshit that you're forced to feel that way. It then in turn makes the idea of cooperation seem even less desirable to people, and it also looks bad on us.

[BIXX]

Adding to what SI said, some Marxists here made it difficult to have anarchist-targeted discussion. Especially when they refuse to justify their baseless anti-anarchist claims.

And I have fundamentally different goals from socialists/communists, so I find unity with them undesirable. I'm not saying I wouldn't work with communists but that is not "unity".

Plus given the anarchist history with being betrayed by their more authoritarian counter parts, I feel anarchists have no home in the left.

[Quail]

Even if that's the case. It clearly has less to do with political or tactical differences here, and more to do with egos and belligerence. Cause on the internet, you're protected by a computer screen.

Well I don't think accepting that you have irreconcilable differences with some schools of thought means that you have to be unnecessarily rude and hostile about it. There are users of most tendencies here who I respect and can find areas of agreement with, but IRL there are groups I wouldn't want to organise with.

[M-L-C-F]

And I have fundamentally different goals from socialists/communists, so I find unity with them undesirable. I'm not saying I wouldn't work with communists but that is not "unity".

Plus given the anarchist history with being betrayed by their more authoritarian counter parts, I feel anarchists have no home in the left.

Even if it isn't unity (which might be too strong of a word), at least working together is a necessity. It bridges the gap between Marxism and Anarchism, and is something that I think is needed going forward. It's been needed since the end of the IWA (First International). To me, the biggest failure of the Second International was the lack of an Anarchist presence. Though, at least the closing of the Second International allowed the revolutionary socialists to split from the bourgeois socialists. Which was one of the only good splits (if not the only good split) to happen to the left.

As for the betrayal, both sides have been wrong in the past. While history shouldn't be forgotten. Harping on the past is something that isn't necessary. I'm not singling any side out. But the behavour I've seen and read about on both sides is asinine. On this site, and historically with our predecessors.


Well I don't think accepting that you have irreconcilable differences with some schools of thought means that you have to be unnecessarily rude and hostile about it. There are users of most tendencies here who I respect and can find areas of agreement with, but IRL there are groups I wouldn't want to organise with.

I understand what you mean, and I agree. Like for me, I wouldn't want to organize with the RCP here in the US. But I like and respect some other Maoists. Same goes with the CPUSA, and the SPUSA or DSA. As they're the prime examples of the failure of revisionism and liberalism respectively. There are certain groups who are undesirable. But that shouldn't get in the way of us working together as a whole. Amongst legitimate groups, and amongst the working class. Cause it's like here, you've gotta sift through and separate the bullshit from the legitimate stuff.

I also don't like the idea of people assuming certain things about others politically. People need to learn what assume means: that it makes an ass outta you and me.

[synthesis]

But that shouldn't get in the way of us working together as a whole.

Working together towards what?

[M-L-C-F]

Working together towards what?

Working together could be something as complex as the common goal of a revolution, or a united front against capitalism/fascism/fundamentalism in an armed conflict. To simple shit, like helping the needy, working with unions, or doing community projects. Starting out small might be good, and could serve as inspiration for larger cooperation later.

I mean, Camilo Cienfuegos was a Cuban Anarchist, and an integral part of the Cuban Revolution. He's a man that I deeply respect and admire. The clusterfuck of the Spanish Civil War should also serve as a reason for us to do better. Because we can do better, for the sake of not just workers, but for the sake of humanity as a whole.

But maybe I'm just being an optimist. Which is sorta ironic for me personality wise, in a way. I'm just so fucking sick and tired of the damn infighting, and the bourgeoisie gaining from it.

[Psycho P and the Freight Train]

M-L-C-F and Sinister Intents are basically stealing my thoughts :lol: Seriously though I completely agree. It's almost like some people on this site just like to role-play their tendencies and deliberately make it intimidating for others. Especially those who are trying to learn.

People are like "but that isn't a Marxist analysis and you need to read at least 500 more books and I won't ever ever ever collaborate with you in anything because you think X about this historical figure and you don't know what Marxism or Anarchism is and do you even Kapital bro?" Shit just gets annoying and I agree.

And about the hostility, hell yes. People will get SOOO personally offended over the slightest thing. You have to type your words with a serious fucking grain of salt xD

[mindsword]

forums are so 2000's. what all the cool kids are getting nowadays, are wiki's.

[Jemdet Nasr]

forums are so 2000's. what all the cool kids are getting nowadays, are wiki's.

We do have a wiki, though.

[Slavoj Zizek's Balls]

We do have a wiki, though.

We do?

[Sinister Intents]

We do?

Should find out how to make one :laugh:

[Slavoj Zizek's Balls]

Are you asking me to make a wiki for us?

[Jemdet Nasr]

You would have to make a new one for us to have one, though. The old one on our domain 404's. There is also a wikia for RevLeft, but I don't how related to us it is. It looks like the same one, but I dunno.

The old wiki was apparently started back in 2009 and fizzled out really quickly. I only found out about it recently when I was reading the Communpedia page for RevLeft.

[Dagoth Ur]

The only thing more pointless than splitting leftist forums is trying to set up leftist wikis.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

Besides, what articles would a RevLeft wiki even consist of? "Comrade Bordiga in popular culture"? "List of people who have been called an anti-semite on RevLeft"?

[DOOM]

I feel unwelcome here on RevLeft at times. Like I post absolute shit and don't seem like a consistent socialist. That and being non neurotypical it makes it hard. Like when I post something and some fucking Marxist has to point out how shitty my post is.

I know that feel.
Yeah sure, the user pointing out how wrong one is sure got no bad intentions, but it still feels sometimes like a gigantic "fuck you" right into ones face.

[PhoenixAsh]

Besides, what articles would a RevLeft wiki even consist of? "Comrade Bordiga in popular culture"? "List of people who have been called an anti-semite on RevLeft"?

Probably.

And do not forget the life and times of Enver Hoxha

I am sure that work is already in the making if you do an extensive search. So we should be fine with copy-pasting.

[BIXX]

Besides, what articles would a RevLeft wiki even consist of? "Comrade Bordiga in popular culture"? "List of people who have been called an anti-semite on RevLeft"?


You forgot the article about all the users who called revleft fascist.

[Sinister Intents]

No restrictions for anyone!!! Anyone is free to join!!! Restriction doesn't work on pro-boards :grin: Me and my mod crew will ban assholes and the likes the same as the mods here do.

[Redistribute the Rep]

Besides, what articles would a RevLeft wiki even consist of? "Comrade Bordiga in popular culture"? "List of people who have been called an anti-semite on RevLeft"?

Maybe it will include some of the great purges

[Redistribute the Rep]

The gender selection list is so cis normative!

EDIT: and can you make it so we can have user names longer than 20 letters?

[Sinister Intents]

The gender selection list is so cis normative!

How? :lol: It's a type in field I thought

[BIXX]

The gender selection list is so cis normative!

EDIT: and can you make it so we can have user names longer than 20 letters?

That's the ProBoards one. Ours is write in (you gotta go to the profile and change it).

[Sinister Intents]

I'm deleting this fucking forum and someone delete this fucking thread. Thanks.

[Ele'ill]

why?

[BIXX]

why?


To many revleft trolls can't deal with a separate anarchist forum.

[Sinister Intents]

To many revleft trolls can't deal with a separate anarchist forum.

Also, getting constantly fucking criticized and called names like Petit Bourgois fuck. I'm tired of the fuck who wouldn't stop being a fucking prick to me over shitty fucking reasons.

[Ele'ill]

that is an issue with all forums especially ones that just get started and are advertised on a bigger one that has tons of trolls most of them trots

[M-L-C-F]

But I said that it probably wouldn't last that long. :p

[consuming negativity]

If someone is harassing you, I'd contact the RevLeft mods, not that they've ever answered any reports I've sent in before.

[Sinister Intents]

If someone is harassing you, I'd contact the RevLeft mods, not that they've ever answered any reports I've sent in before.

I don't think they will be now since I banned them. I also blocked their IP, if they join again, I'll keep blocking and banning, lest I give the forum away.

Also this is unrelated to you Communer or anyone else who has posted here. This forum isn't a fucking split. It's not a god damn split from revleft.

[Quail]

If someone is harassing you, I'd contact the RevLeft mods, not that they've ever answered any reports I've sent in before.

If you have a serious concern send it to an admin or the appropriate mod via PM and it should be acted on.

[TheSocialistMetalhead]

I didn't realize the mods could be such horrible sectarians....oh wait, I did :laugh:

Why all the trot hate though? Sure, some of 'em are elitist and feel a need to hate on every other left-wing tendency, but why would you automatically ban trots? They're not at all authoritarian in my experience and I actually know hundreds of trotskyists in real life, being one myself.

[Sinister Intents]

I didn't realize the mods could be such horrible sectarians....oh wait, I did :laugh:

Why all the trot hate though? Sure, some of 'em are elitist and feel a need to hate on every other left-wing tendency, but why would you automatically ban trots? They're not at all authoritarian in my experience and I actually know hundreds of trotskyists in real life, being one myself.

Trotskyists come in many flavors, like all tendencies. Some are great, some are alright, some suck, and some can't even be called trots I'm sure. Same applies to any tendency again.

I wonder who the user I.V. Stalin is on that forum I made. Hmmm?

BTW to anyone who also wonders when I say I'll get back to something later, and don't. It's because I fucking forgot!

[TheSocialistMetalhead]

Trotskyists come in many flavors, like all tendencies. Some are great, some are alright, some suck, and some can't even be called trots I'm sure. Same applies to any tendency again.

Sure man I get that, but you said something about automatically banning any and all trotskyists. Why would you that?

[Sinister Intents]

Sure man I get that, but you said something about automatically banning any and all trotskyists. Why would you that?

I go through these really shitty negative periods and they fucking suck :/ I had a few frustrating experiences on the internet that lead to irrational behaviour and further frustration. On the forum they won't be banned, but not be a part of the major usergroup for certain reasons and that having to do with quality of posts. I've been incredibly busy and exhausted, so my posts arent' the greatest at this time. People will get banned for more legitimate reasons like: Trolling way too often, abusive behaviour, being a fascist or other extremist, threatening users, being non-conducive to the forum environment, et cetera

[TheSocialistMetalhead]

Okay man. Sorry, I didn't know you were going through a rough patch. I hope it gets better soon.

[Sinister Intents]

Okay man. Sorry, I didn't know you were going through a rough patch. I hope it gets better soon.

Rough patch has already ended since then, but thanks :)

I'm just stressed now because of a (few?) assholes. I'm pretty sure I'm gonna have to ban and block two more people, and I'm sure they know who they are. I won't name names and point fingers.

[Ele'ill]

The more you post about it on here though the more problems you'll have because it just feeds flames and offers other users who haven't trolled yet the option to go over and troll because its all getting a big reaction, which is actually a great way to troll too probably an upper level tier of trolling imo but I don't think that's what you're trying to do.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Well, if pointing out the fact that your class character is Petit-bourgeois (this is fact, you run a small business) is trolling you or harassing to you, then what isn't going to offend you?

[Sinister Intents]

Well, if pointing out the fact that your class character is Petit-bourgeois (this is fact, you run a small business) is trolling you or harassing to you, then what isn't going to offend you?

I find that less offensive than the other bullshit that was said. Too bad some of his shit was deleted *sighs*

[Remus Bleys]

What do you mean by banning extremists, as in, what do you mean by "extremist"?

[Futility Personified]

Mariel is right, the more you post in this thread, the more those who are doing it to annoy you are knowing they are succeeding. I'm not intending to be rude here either, but what gains can you really make by avoiding authoritarian criticism? If you don't have a response to their criticisms then perhaps you need to look at your own arguments. Maybe starting an anarchist, invite only discussion group / making it invite only on reference would be more amenable to your goals, if you wanted to dig deeper into theory?

[Five Year Plan]

that is an issue with all forums especially ones that just get started and are advertised on a bigger one that has tons of trolls most of them trots

you think Trotskyists would be furious if a separate anarchist forum took a lot of anarchist chatter off the main revleft band?

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[Sinister Intents]

What do you mean by banning extremists, as in, what do you mean by "extremist"?

Right wing extremists

[Remus Bleys]

I find that less offensive than the other bullshit that was said. Too bad some of his shit was deleted *sighs*

"Less offensive" and "other bullshit" implies that you are offended and that this is offensive, but to a lesser degree. This makes no sense whatsoever, as it is a true statement. Why is it offensive to you that someone called you pb? Are you offended when people call you white? Is it bullshit that you are a small business owner or are you in fact a small business owner. You are, in fact, pb, so no it was not bullshit.
Still, somehow you are only talking about this, so it could either be the case the trolls on your forum were either calling you other things but that didn't offend you as much OR they didn't and you want an excuse for all to cry over your feelings; else why would you talk about it?
And you are the admin, I was under the impressing they can view deletes things, though I am unsure about that.

My position is clear: I am not interested in a static(istical) view on class, and I think that non proletarians can potentially be some of the best of communists. But any communist - be they prole or not - who thinks that the competition and destruction of the pb and the elimination of small businesses is "exploited" (usually perverted to act like they face the same problems of a wage-laborer or a without-reserves), or who thinks one should be sympathetic to the petty bourgeoisie and its movement cannot be a good communist, and are in fact working in the interests of the petty bourgeoisie, thus are a confusion that hinders the communist movement. If you work in the interests of the pb (including trying to make the communists ideologically defend that class) you are reactionary.

[Five Year Plan]

"Less offensive" and "other bullshit" implies that you are offended and that this is offensive, but to a lesser degree. This makes no sense whatsoever, as it is a true statement. Why is it offensive to you that someone called you pb? Are you offended when people call you white? Is it bullshit that you are a small business owner or are you in fact a small business owner. You are, in fact, pb, so no it was not bullshit.
Still, somehow you are only talking about this, so it could either be the case the trolls on your forum were either calling you other things but that didn't offend you as much OR they didn't and you want an excuse for all to cry over your feelings; else why would you talk about it?
And you are the admin, I was under the impressing they can view deletes things, though I am unsure about that.

My position is clear: I am not interested in a static(istical) view on class, and I think that non proletarians can potentially be some of the best of communists. But any communist - be they prole or not - who thinks that the competition and destruction of the pb and the elimination of small businesses is "exploited" (usually perverted to act like they face the same problems of a wage-laborer or a without-reserves), or who thinks one should be sympathetic to the petty bourgeoisie and its movement cannot be a good communist, and are in fact working in the interests of the petty bourgeoisie, thus are a confusion that hinders the communist movement. If you work in the interests of the pb (including trying to make the communists ideologically defend that class) you are reactionary.

I seriously think you two need to go to your respective corners and learn to play nice, or don't play at all. :mad:

[Ele'ill]

you think Trotskyists would be furious if a separate anarchist forum took a lot of anarchist chatter off the main revleft band?

I don't really care. I was saying this forum has trolls most of them trots

[Ele'ill]

anyways, I think having another separate forum is beneficial because you can freely discuss things with folks who have been influenced by similar tendencies but maybe that's just me and how that forum looks right now, if it was filled with syndicalists I don't think I would post there much/ever

[Sinister Intents]

"Less offensive" and "other bullshit" implies that you are offended and that this is offensive, but to a lesser degree. This makes no sense whatsoever, as it is a true statement. Why is it offensive to you that someone called you pb? Are you offended when people call you white? Is it bullshit that you are a small business owner or are you in fact a small business owner. You are, in fact, pb, so no it was not bullshit.

Being singled out based on a class and called petit-bourgeois fuck is offensive, and the other things that were said by this user were offensive. But, a moderator did their job and deleted the posts. To be singled out because of social class is rediculous. Go ahead and call me pb or petit-bourgeois, or even bourgeois for that matter. My politics go contradictory to my social class, so I couldn't care less about being called petit-bourgeois. I don't get offended when I'm called white or cracka. It is shitty to be a business owner because of the fact workers tend to look at me automatically like I'm an asshole for being an owner of this small concrete company. IT is a fact that I'm petit-bourgeois, and I don't care if others know.


Still, somehow you are only talking about this, so it could either be the case the trolls on your forum were either calling you other things but that didn't offend you as much OR they didn't and you want an excuse for all to cry over your feelings; else why would you talk about it?

I was being called other things. I don't take negativity directed at me very well at all. From now on trolls immediately get banned, especially if that user comes back, in which case I will ban them and their IP address, which the one individual's IP was rather curious.


And you are the admin, I was under the impressing they can view deletes things, though I am unsure about that.

Once something it is deleted, it is permanently deleted. I've looked for deleted things, but they're gone permanently.


My position is clear: I am not interested in a static(istical) view on class, and I think that non proletarians can potentially be some of the best of communists. But any communist - be they prole or not - who thinks that the competition and destruction of the pb and the elimination of small businesses is "exploited" (usually perverted to act like they face the same problems of a wage-laborer or a without-reserves), or who thinks one should be sympathetic to the petty bourgeoisie and its movement cannot be a good communist, and are in fact working in the interests of the petty bourgeoisie, thus are a confusion that hinders the communist movement. If you work in the interests of the pb (including trying to make the communists ideologically defend that class) you are reactionary.

With out a doubt, but I wouldn't say there exists a degree of who is the best communist. We're all pretty piss poor as people who haven't been involved in revolutionary struggle, at least those in western countries who have extremely varying degrees of experience in activism, and I'm assuming the majority of American communists/anarchists aren't very politically active, so they lack experience. In no way does a business owner face the exploitation a worker faces. I'd have to say that the proper bourgeoisie can exploit the petit-bourgeoisie perhaps. Smaller businesses can also get fucked over by the state through laws. I have no idea how I can work in the interests of the petit-bourgeoisie. Being a business owner I go through cognitive dissonance over exploiting workers and lying to clients to gain jobs, it becomes a shitty moral dilemma.

[Sabot Cat]

I find that less offensive than the other bullshit that was said. Too bad some of his shit was deleted *sighs*

Yeah, I was also under the impression Admins could view deleted posts, but they were deleted for good reason: our forum policy is to remove posts which contain flaming and issue warnings to those that harass other users.

[Sinister Intents]

Yeah, I was also under the impression Admins could view deleted posts, but they were deleted for good reason: our forum policy is to remove posts which contain flaming and issue warnings to those that do.

From now on, we should save the posts in a separate, but hidden forum, just move them. That way if they're ever needed, we can utilize them :)

[Sabot Cat]

From now on, we should save the posts in a separate, but hidden forum, just move them. That way if they're ever needed, we can utilize them :)

Agreed~ :)