Could Marx have been a Freemason?

[4thInter]

Upon browsing pictures I found a picture Karl Marx and found something about it that always alluded me. Many important figures throughout history have been rumored to be Freemasons, and it's said this due to them all making the same gesture, the hand in their coat aka The Hidden Hand. I'm still a new poster so I can't post the image but dispute his claim to athiesm could he have been a mason?

[Hrafn]

Of course he was! It's all part of the Judeo-Bolshevik-Masonic-Reptilian conspiracy for a New World Order. Wake up sheeple!

[4thInter]

Of course he was! It's all part of the Judeo-Bolshevik-Masonic-Reptilian conspiracy for a New World Order. Wake up sheeple!
:laugh:
I was not aware of this

[#FF0000]

Upon browsing pictures I found a picture Karl Marx and found something about it that always alluded me. Many important figures throughout history have been rumored to be Freemasons, and it's said this due to them all making the same gesture, the hand in their coat aka The Hidden Hand. I'm still a new poster so I can't post the image but dispute his claim to athiesm could he have been a mason?

lmfao

the hand-in-coat thing was the "myspace angle" of the victorian era, dogg

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

Besides, the secret squirrels are a businessman's club that's pretty hated among socialists in (at least) the Mediterranean and Latin-American countries.

[Psycho P and the Freight Train]

The hand in the coat thing was basically the thing that douchebags did when they wanted a picture taken of them. Many monarchs did the same thing, and monarchs were generally opposed to Freemasons. Actually a shitload of people did that. Definitely not a Freemason thing.

[Brutus]

Firstly, who gives a shit? Secondly, see first point.

[Diirez]

Don't you have to believe in a god to join the free masons?

[Sasha]

Only in regular and traditional masonry, in the liberal strand its not required

[#FF0000]

Don't you have to believe in a god to join the free masons?

In the US you need to believe in a "higher power". As I understand it, in Europe that isn't the case. But I'll go check with the marxist-luciferian cadre in my local branch of the Young Gay Democrat International Bankers of North America and get back to you on that, though.

[Sasha]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Freemasonry

[ComradeOm]

For the sake of the record, there is absolutely no evidence that Marx was a Mason. Other than hidden signals in pictures, of course.

[Sasha]

Oh yeah, ever looked at the logo of the Spanish section of the first international? Both chuck full Masonic symbolism and the clear origin of the anarchist circle-a, rightwing conspiracy nutcases must jizz in their pants if they ever realize this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/FRE-AIT.svg/331px-FRE-AIT.svg.png

[MarcusJuniusBrutus]

The Freemasons were/are a Protestant organization. So, no, the atheist, Jewish Marx could not have been a member.

[Hrafn]

The Freemasons were/are a Protestant organization. So, no, the atheist, Jewish Marx could not have been a member.

Marx was hardly Jewish other than in heritage. His family converted to Lutheranism, and was largely secular.

[Queen Mab]

A lot of posters here know a suspicious amount about Freemasonry.

[motion denied]

A lot of posters here know a suspicious amount about Freemasonry.


What are you implying there? :sneaky:

[Smash Monogamy]

Yes. Marx was evil and influential so he was a Freemason by default.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

Oh yeah, ever looked at the logo of the Spanish section of the first international? Both chuck full Masonic symbolism and the clear origin of the anarchist circle-a, rightwing conspiracy nutcases must jizz in their pants if they ever realize this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/FRE-AIT.svg/331px-FRE-AIT.svg.png
Wait, for real? If that's true I'm going to have so much more fun fucking with conspiracy theorists.

[4thInter]

Wait, for real? If that's true I'm going to have so much more fun fucking with conspiracy theorists.
:laugh:

[Sasha]

Wait, for real? If that's true I'm going to have so much more fun fucking with conspiracy theorists.

yup
well, it being the origin of the circle A is not proven but likely, but yes, that is the logo of the spanish section of the first international and there is masonic symbolism in there.
also, even if it wasnt true the conspiracy people wouldnt mind now would they? its not that the protocols are real...

[PC LOAD LETTER]

yup
well, it being the origin of the circle A is not proven but likely, but yes, that is the logo of the spanish section of the first international and there is masonic symbolism in there.
also, even if it wasnt true the conspiracy people wouldnt mind now would they? its not that the protocols are real...
Oh, man. Dude. I know a specific conspiracy nut IRL that will lose his shit over this. This is great. I need to re-up on that movie-theater-butter microwave popcorn.

[Jemdet Nasr]

A lot of posters here know a suspicious amount about Freemasonry.

Did you not get the info packet when you signed up?

[BIXX]

Dude seriously 4Inther is fucking weird.

First being a brony.

Then claiming to be "ex-anonymous".

Now this shit? The fuck?

BTW if you wanna join the Freemasons then you better go to the Jewish Lizard-aliens from another dimension who rule the earth from their massive positions of prestige in the vice-presidential seat of the United States (Joe Biden is actually comprised of several inter-dimensional banking Jew lizards).

[Jemdet Nasr]

Brony
Anonymous
Freemasonry

Sounds like a 4Chan user to me.

[Brandon's Impotent Rage]

The conspiracy nut's vision of Freemasonry is soooo much more interesting than the reality.

Seriously. I've been to a Masonic Lodge before. The history and stuff is interesting, but otherwise it's really really boring.

[BIXX]

Sounds like a 4Chan user to me.


Having browsed 4chan in the past and known many folks who have, this was my exact thought: "oh dear god they are spreading"

[ComradeOm]

Seriously. I've been to a Masonic Lodge before. The history and stuff is interesting, but otherwise it's really really boring.Nice try, Mr Mason. You and your Reptilian overlords are fooling no one.

[Sinister Intents]

A lot of posters here know a suspicious amount about Freemasonry.

That's because there are a lot of Freemasons? Or maybe its because a Google search yields a ton of results for masonic sources like a forum I found a while ago. Completely destroyed the fun of the conspiracy theory.

Also it'd be interesting if Marx was a Freemason.

We did a job for a Freemason and he surprisingly hated this country and its economic system, but unfortunately he hates communism too. So, I wouldn't give a fuck if Marx, Engels, Bakunin, and so forth were masons or did anything with Freemasonry

[cobrawolf_meiji]

Freemasonry was seen as a threat to many communist nations and banned in many during the Cold War. Freemasonry is still banned in The People's Republic of China, DPRK and Vietnam. While the Communists did Persecute Freemasons, it was not as bad as what The Fascists and Nazis did to Freemasons in World War II.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

You mean what the illuminati acting as the nazis/communists did to the extra-dimensional space lizards posing as the free masons on behalf of the bilderburg group.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

i really don't like how people are quick to label anyone who is critical of freemasonry as conspiracy theorists. why are so many pigs freemasons? why is the grand master in england a member of the ruling family? people can call it a drinking club all they want but the fact is that its a drinking club that is largely full of prominent members of the ruling class and, it would be naive to think that clubs full of judges, pigs, politicians and royalty WOULDN'T have an interest in scratching each other's backs. there's no conspiracy - the ruling class is the most efficient and organized class in the system, hence why they rule, and freemasonry is mostly THEIR club. also: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/revealed-how-gangs-used-the-freemasons-to-corrupt-police-9054670.html IMO, freemasonry and the struggle for communism are completely incompatible and any secret organizations that are full of active members of either the ideological or repressive state apparatus should be banned completely. dunno how it is in the rest of the world but in britain, lodges are full of some of the most reactionary fuckers in the system. my dad works in the CJS in scotland and its full of right wing, orange order, unionist prison screws, coppers, judges, lawyers and whatever else. we could dismiss them as just silly clubs with silly handshakes and rituals but so far, the only people who seem to say that are actual masons and they all say the same thing, almost ritualistically. i trust them no more than the monarchy they pledge allegience too, amongst other things.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Everyone on the left is considered a conspiracy theorist by the general public as it is so who cares if this specific issue causes derision amongst us or not. Even if the masons are a club full of society's masters, who cares? Would exposing them or even shutting them down change the way the world works? Does it matter if the war in Iraq was drawn up in a room full of dudes smoking cigars in between paddling sessions vs. being drawn up in the oval office by a bunch of stuffy generals? The ruling class rules, they can have all the stupid props and rituals they want or they could have none, the results would be the same.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

Everyone on the left is considered a conspiracy theorist by the general public as it is so who cares if this specific issue causes derision amongst us or not. Even if the masons are a club full of society's masters, who cares? Would exposing them or even shutting them down change the way the world works? Does it matter if the war in Iraq was drawn up in a room full of dudes smoking cigars in between paddling sessions vs. being drawn up in the oval office by a bunch of stuffy generals? The ruling class rules, they can have all the stupid props and rituals they want or they could have none, the results would be the same.

absolutely but the point is that, when the ruling class goes, so do their drinking clubs. as it stands we have to understand freemasonry as an institution of the ruling class, just like royalty or the bourgeois criminal justice system, coincidentally(?)prominently represented in the masons. by your logic, it is useless to criticize the police force BECAUSE they are the police force, but surely you know that we identify and criticize bourgeois institutions as part of the general criticism of the system itself. it does matter to us how the ruling class organize because we need to know how they function in order to be able to overthrow them. do you think the ruling class ignores trade unions or other attempts at anti-systemic movements? no. its called "knowing your enemy" and it does matter to you how your enemy operates.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

You and I and everyone on this board already have proof that these dudes run everything and yet everyone else still chooses not to believe it or at least does their best to just ignore it. What exactly is the knowledge that all the big capitalists get together once a month to get drunk and fool around with prostitutes going to add? If you're rich, it's already assumed that you're doing that kind of shit anyway. Aside from that, why would they even need secret clubs to plan their moves? They already have board rooms, and war rooms and all that shit where the rest of us aren't allowed to go, why do they need a public face like the masons?

The people behind exposing the masons (or any other secret society) seem to come from one of two camps:

1. You believe the members of the masons run everything solely as a result of being a high ranking mason. Not that, you know, you might only get to be a high ranking mason if you're someone who runs shit.

Or

2. You're morally outraged by the libertine culture that is either present or assumed to be present in these groups, and the public must know what these filthy men of high regard are secretly up to when no one is watching!

Neither one does anything to address what these people do when they're in charge, or how they even got to be in charge in the first place. It's just a side show.