This made me want to kill things

[Invader Zim]

"The Pledge of Allegiance" - Senator John McCain
As you may know, I spent five and one half years as a prisoner of
war during the Vietnam War. In the early years of
our imprisonment, the NVA kept us in solitary confinement or two
or three to a cell. In 1971 the NVA moved us from these conditions
of isolation into large rooms with as many as 30 to 40 men to a room.
This was,as you can imagine, a wonderful change and was a direct
result of the efforts of millions of Americans on
behalf of a few hundred POWs 10,000 miles from home.
One of the men who moved into my room was
a young man named Mike Christian.
Mike came from a small town near Selma, Alabama.
He didn't wear a pair of shoes until he was 13 years old.
At 17, he enlisted in the US Navy. He later earned a
commission by going to OfficerTraining School.
Then he became a Naval Flight Officer and was shot down and
captured in 1967. Mike had a keen and deep appreciation of the
opportunities this country and our military
provide for people who want to work and want to succeed.
As part of the change in treatment, the Vietnamese allowed some
prisoners to receive packages from home. In some of these packages were handkerchiefs, scarves and other items of clothing.
Mike got himself a bamboo needle. Over a period of a couple of
months, he created an American flag and sewed on the inside of his shirt.
Every afternoon, before we had a bowl of soup, we would hang Mike's shirt on the wall of the cell and say the Pledge of Allegiance.
I know the Pledge of Allegiance may not seem the most important
part of our day now, but I can assure you that in that stark cell it was indeed the most important and meaningful event.

One day the Vietnamese searched our cell, as they did
periodically,and discovered Mike's shirt with the flag sewn inside,
and removed it.

That evening they returned, opened the door of the cell, and for
the benefit of all of us, beat Mike Christian severely for the next couple of hours.
Then, they opened the door of the cell
and threw him in. We cleaned him up as well as we could.
The cell in which we lived had a concrete slab in the middle on
which we slept. Four naked light bulbs hung in each corner of the room.
As I said, we tried to clean up Mike as well as we could.
After the excitement died down, I looked in the corner of the room, and sitting there beneath that dim light bulb with a piece
of red cloth, another shirt and his bamboo needle, was my friend, Mike Christian. He was sitting there with his eyes almost
shut from the beating he had received, making another American flag. He was not making the flag because it made Mike Christian feel better. He was making that flag because he knew how important it was to us to be able to Pledge our allegiance to our flag and country.

So the next time you say the Pledge of
Allegiance, you must never forget the sacrifice and courage that thousands of Americans have made to build our nation and promote freedom around the world.

You must remember our duty, our honor, and our country.
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America
and to the republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible,with liberty and justice for all."


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What a heap of shit, I had to share it with you guys.

[Elect Marx]

Yes, disgusting pro-U$A bull shit. As if his cell mate's mistreatment is an attack on us all or freedom in general. This is trying to develope a nationalistic persecution complex. How hypocitic to imply that the invaders of other countries and their accessories are persecuted.

This is the only US flag I will pledge to uphold...

Fight the power! Resist imperialism!

[Sabocat]

Like always with these pieces of garbage, there is two sides to his story about captivity in Vietnam. This guy is just a walking contradiction. :lol:



McCain has said repeatedly that he was afforded no special treatment while in the "Hanoi Hilton". Yet when he was first interviewed by the North Vietnamese he is shown at a hospital reserved for Vietnamese military and he was seen by Soviet Surgeons. He was drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes while being interviewed. This was a far cry from the way the rest of the POWs were treated.

His wife at the time, was a member of the National League of Families and she fought to make sure that John McCain came home. He rewarded this loyalty by divorcing her after his return.

He was shot down October 26, 1967, and by November 9, 1967 he was giving interviews to foreign correspondents, providing information on his prior command, casualties and tactics, in direct violation of the Code of Conduct. (The U.S. military Code of Conduct is the definitive code specifying the responsibilities of American military personnel while in combat or captivity. Article V of the Code is very specific in ordering U.S. military personnel to avoid answering questions to the utmost of their ability and to make no oral or written statements disloyal to the United States and its allies, or harmful to their cause. Any willful violation of the Code is considered collaborating with the enemy.)

The Communist Vietnamese erected a bust of John McCain beside the lake where he was shot down. His defenders say that this is a tribute to the PAVN gunners that shot him down.

In the interview that he gave on November 9, 1967 to VNA International, he claims when he bailed out and landed in the lake, that locals pulled him out and took him to the hospital. Yet in the U.S. News and World Report - May 14, 1973. McCain is quoted as saying "I think it was on the fourth day (after being shot down) that two guards came in, instead of one. One of them pulled back the blanket to show the other guard my injury. I looked at my knee. It was about the size of a football . . . when I saw it, I said to the guard, Ok, get the officer'...an officer came in after a few minutes. It was the man that we came to know very well as 'The Bug'. He was a psychotic torturer, one of the worst fiends that we had to deal with. I said, Ok, I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital."

While testifying before the Senate Select Committee, the very man McCain claims was responsible for his own torture, his interrogator, "The Bug" was appearing. When the moment of confrontation came, McCain rose from his seat, walked from the podium to the floor and stood face to face with the man who was responsible for torturing him and countless other Prisoners of War...McCain then grabbed the man and embraced him!

He has been a consistent advocate of lenient treatment of Vietnam.
While a member of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs (1991-1993) he referred to POW/MIA Family Members and POW/MIA Activists as whiners, vultures and the lunatic fringe.

Although the Senate Select Committee concluded that we left men behind, McCain crossed party lines to help lift the embargo and normalize relations with Vietnam. "It's very important for us to recognize that the war is over, ... In my view, an improvement in relations between our two countries does a whole of lot things from a practical standpoint, but it also, from a spiritual standpoint indicates that we are ready to close that chapter," McCain said. (Many POWs and families of MIAs would strongly disagree that is time to close this chapter! Improving relations with Vietnam stood to benefit the McCain’s family as they hold a large interest in the Budweiser Corporation. Surprise, surprise Bud was among the first large U.S. Corporations to enter Vietnam after relations were normalized.)

He ignored a letter from former POW, Capt. Eugene "Red" McDaniel, co-signed by 50 former POWs which asked that the embargo not be lifted and not to normalize relations and still McCain would not be swayed.
When the Missing Service Personnel Act of 1996 came on the Senate Floor for debate, Senator McCain called this bill "un-necessary" and "burdensome" even though the MSPA was sponsored by the then majority leader and the man who had considered asking John McCain to run with him, Sen. Bob Dole.

McCain managed to get the MSPA amended by removing criminal liability and several articles that were important to POW/MIA Family members.

McCain voted against campaign-finance reform in 1987/1988.. and didn't support the concept until 1990, just after the Keating story broke.

Until McCain began thinking about running for national office he was consistently anti-gay (he even spoke at a fundraiser for Oregon's anti-gay rights initiative) Now he says they are "not inclusive enough".

Keating Five Scandal
McCain received more than $112,000 in campaign contributions from one Charles Keating (including $54,000 for his Senate campaign). Between 1984 and 1986 McCain and family had vacationed at Keating's home in the Bahamas. (Keating was a corrupt owner of a savings-and-loan empire that ended up costing taxpayers $3 billion.) For these contributions Keating hoped (expected) McCain and four other senators - John Glenn, Dennis DeConcini, Alan Cranston, Donald Riegle, would protect him from federal banking regulators. After a 14 month investigation by the Ethics Committee all McCain received was a slap on the wrist for using "poor judgment"!

McCain’s Tasteless Joke
"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because her father is Janet Reno."
McCain's two-liner gives us some insight into what he considers funny (lesbianism, a young woman's physical looks), especially since this was delivered to a partisan Republican crowd. Remember, this is the same party that champions pro-family values.
That McCain had made this tasteless joke was reported in major newspapers, so was the vain attempt by his press secretary to initially deny that McCain had done anything wrong. But in several major newspapers, the joke itself was kept a secret. When McCain subsequently apologized to President Clinton, the Washington Post, noted the apology but said the joke "was too vicious to print."

http://www.farfromglory.com/john_s_mccain.htm

[Felicia]

I don't know the American pledge of allegience, but I know the Canadian one from when I had to recite it in school when I was five, we had to hold our right hand over our heart! And no, I'm not fuckin kidding. We had to recite that right after the national anthem (which I still remember, with the exception of the french version :D ) :o


We pledge allegience to the flag
and to our country for which it stands,
Our flag, our queen, our country,
united, loyal and free

:o

With the exception of that queeny bit, I like ours better :P

[Marxist in Nebraska]

We had to say the Pledge of Allegiance every schoolday, for the first... about seven or eight years or so. And we, too, had to place our right hands over our hearts and face the flag. I even remember one day when a classmate in sixth grade did a Boy Scouts salute (he was one) instead of the hand-over-heart, and the teacher made the whole class do the pledge over, with the Boy Scout giving the "proper" salute. We were all pretty mad at him at the time--not a bad device to program us, is it? Do your jingoistic duty, and make sure everyone else does too, or you will all be punished.

I pledge allegiance to the flag
of the United States of America...

I heard a story the other day that the "Under God" part added toward the end in the 1950s, was to prevent "Communists" from infiltrating the U.S. government. Allegedly, making those "evil atheists" swear to God would keep them from taking oaths and getting sensistive places in government. Is this story true? Has anyone else heard this?

[Felicia]

Originally posted by Marxist in [email protected] 30 2004, 05:18 PM
We had to say the Pledge of Allegiance every schoolday, for the first... about seven or eight years or so. And we, too, had to place our right hands over our hearts and face the flag. I even remember one day when a classmate in sixth grade did a Boy Scouts salute (he was one) instead of the hand-over-heart, and the teacher made the whole class do the pledge over, with the Boy Scout giving the "proper" salute. We were all pretty mad at him at the time--not a bad device to program us, is it? Do your jingoistic duty, and make sure everyone else does too, or you will all be punished.

I pledge allegiance to the flag
of the United States of America...

I heard a story the other day that the "Under God" part added toward the end in the 1950s, was to prevent "Communists" from infiltrating the U.S. government. Allegedly, making those "evil atheists" swear to God would keep them from taking oaths and getting sensistive places in government. Is this story true? Has anyone else heard this?
haha, a teacher at my last school (aparently) made his students do the nazi salute after the national anthem. My friend said she saw it, I was right there but I was facing the other direction.

[RosaRL]

haha, a teacher at my last school (aparently) made his students do the nazi salute after the national anthem. My friend said she saw it, I was right there but I was facing the other direction.

My understanding is that for quite some time that salute -- with the arm out toward the flag -- was actually the proper way to salute the US flag when reciting the pledge. I dont recall between what years that was -- however -- it was before my time.

[Xvall]

http://www.falange.org/salute2.jpg

Just like that.

[LSD]

I heard a story the other day that the "Under God" part added toward the end in the 1950s, was to prevent "Communists" from infiltrating the U.S. government. Allegedly, making those "evil atheists" swear to God would keep them from taking oaths and getting sensistive places in government. Is this story true? Has anyone else heard this?

It wasn't so much to keep communists out as to remind Americans about the "importance of God".
Belief in God was seen to be the critical difference between the "Christian America" and the "godless Communists"

But yeah, it was added in the 50s.

Not only that, but God did not even appear on the money until the early part of this century.
The "founding fathers" were very anti-christian, it's only been in later years that religion has managed to erode the secular society they envisioned. I'm not defending 18th century America, but it was far less religious than today.

[Valishin]

It is comments like these that make me wish that you guys would get your act together and start your revoloution already.

I am all for you disliking whatever you want about this country, I fought so you can have that right.

But when you start mocking POWs that is when... well I all can say is please start your revolution.

[Y2A]

Originally posted by Drake [email protected] 30 2004, 11:02 PM
http://www.falange.org/salute2.jpg

Just like that.
Yet if I were to do the same thing the mods would get pissed and give me a good banning for spam.

Ridiculous. <_<

[Y2A]

Some more "patriotic shit"

http://www.homepages.dsu.edu/huenersd/ENGL101/photo%20essay%20project/photographs/iwo_jima.jpg


Meh something for the commies aswell.

http://www.lindsayfincher.com/photos/russia/soviets_on_reichstag.jpg

[Invader Zim]

Both of those photo&#39;s were staged apparently. The one with the yank flag they had to re do afew times until hey got it right apparently.

With the Berlin one the guy nearly fell off when they first tried it.