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Slavoj Zizek's Balls
19th May 2014, 15:58
How would one define manliness and masculinity?
How does it fit in with communist theory?

Just before you answer, I want to add something. Let's see if this is of any interest.


Apparently, there are two ways to define manhood. One way is to say that manhood is the opposite of womanhood.
The other is to say that manhood is the opposite of childhood.

BIXX
19th May 2014, 16:28
How would one define manliness and masculinity?
How does it fit in with communist theory?

Just before you answer, I want to add something. Let's see if this is of any interest.


If we are going based off of gender roles, which I believe is what you're asking, it is socially defined, as it is a social construct. So your question might be "what is masculinity?"

Society tells us that one is masculine when they are self-assertive, aggressive, powerful, dominant, etc...

However with that quote of yours you've introduced "manhood vs childhood" which is something totally different. I do find using "manhood" problematic (which the assumption that being a man is to be "grown up", which leaves us wondering what "grown up" really means) it is descriptive of a child becoming an adult, however it refers solely to men.

I think more properly we should use "adulthood vs childhood".

But this all comes back to fender, and how men are seen as being strong willed and powerful, with women being seen as weak willed and impotent. Which is obviously bullshit.

More later.

DOOM
19th May 2014, 17:08
social construct, which reflects the "superiority" of men over women and children. Ergo sexist/ageist bullshit.

Slavoj Zizek's Balls
19th May 2014, 17:35
social construct, which reflects the "superiority" of men over women and children. Ergo sexist/ageist bullshit.

I can say that this is definitely having macho values, but not necessarily masculinity. Most people's impressions of manliness are that it is a very macho take on things. I'm not sure about the lesser known side of masculinity and manliness, hence the asking (or even if it exists). It's a bit like the propagandistic take on Communism versus what Communists have actually written and aim for. For example, the notion of the 'New Man' can come under the umbrella of 'manliness' and 'manhood', yet does not reflect macho values.

EDIT: The quote I added reflects the difference between contrasting gender roles that are patriarchal, and a gender role that reflects age differences as well as relative mental 'maturity'.

Comrade #138672
7th June 2014, 17:00
Manliness is an imaginary construct created by patriarchy, which is rooted in class society, including capitalism.

Redistribute the Rep
7th June 2014, 17:06
Not his thread again...

Slavoj Zizek's Balls
7th June 2014, 17:21
Not his thread again...

Not a useless contribution again...