Stoner Talk XI - Dave's not here man

[RedAnarchist]

Continued from here - http://www.revleft.com/vb/stoner-talk-x-t183459/index26.html

[Sinister Intents]

xxBKK-GSY3c

I'm going to ensure most of the posts here are mine! None will beat me posting more than all of you here in this thread...

[BIXX]

The next one I will have the majority of posts for sure. The only reason I've not been posting much lately is that I've been out of drugs.

[Os Cangaceiros]

A new thread! Nice!

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I've been out of drugs.

I know that feel bro :crying:

[M-L-C-F]

Dave's not here man. :redstar2000:

[Sea]

of all the Chongs, this Chong makes a wonderful thread title

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

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[RedAnarchist]

of all the Chongs, this Chong makes a wonderful thread title

Thank MLCF, it's their post that inspired me to put it as the title.:grin:

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A new thread! Nice!

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I know that feel bro :crying:
I ran out of drugs a while ago but I keep getting free 0.5g bags of perico at bars/clubs. It's like free sample month from all the dope boys.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Drug use really is a constant war of attrition. You do drugs and think, "hmmm, these drugs are pretty fun", but in the back of your mind you're also thinking, "hmm, if I keep doing these drugs then they'll be all gone, and then I'll have to go get more drugs somehow!" Which could be really easy if you have a "stable" connection or it could be more difficult, depending.

But I'd settle for a couple pounds of high-grade cannabis, a few bottles of liquor and a couple hundred benzodiazepine tablets. That's all I ask!

[Quail]

I feel so awkward seeing people I know when I'm out and about and totally off my head. I must come across as really incoherent, trying to string sentences together when I can't remember what I'm talking about. I do love getting high though.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Buh-Buh-Bubblegum kussssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh

[La Guaneña]

don't know who dave is, but look at the video and listen to the sounds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWfseMcAUZY

[M-L-C-F]

don't know who dave is, but look at the video and listen to the sounds

WWfseMcAUZY

"Dave's not here!" is one of Cheech & Chong's most famous lines. From their track entitled Dave, on their self-titled debut album "Cheech & Chong". Futurama did an homage to it, with the "Dudes for the Legalation of Hemp" party guy, on the "A Head in the Polls" episode.

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[Lily Briscoe]

http://i.imgur.com/SeosOxZ.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/hRIHOh8.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/ZwZ8OVW.jpgNYf3P5h-2KI

[Os Cangaceiros]

Alexander Shulgin, the chemist who re-discovered MDMA and synthesized 2C-B (and many other drugs), has died at 88.

http://news.yahoo.com/ecstasy-chemist-shulgin-88-dies-california-215817768.html;_ylt=A0SO8xmbsI5TwDMAT9tXNyoA;_ylu= X3oDMTBsOXB2YTRjBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2dxMQR2dGlkAw--

[Crabbensmasher]

Man, people aren't hating things. They're thing-ing hate.

[GimmieFire]

I'll have to try drugs sometimes...

[Quail]

You've probably had too much when you go to eat more cake and immediately forget what you got out of your seat for.

I'm also trying to write some weird Star Trek TOS/Batman crossover fanfic thing because... Well I don't know why to be honest. But I'm too stoned and the quality of my writing is laughably bad.

[GimmieFire]

Blahblahblahblah

I'm totally stoned...

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

You've probably had too much when you go to eat more cake and immediately forget what you got out of your seat for.

I'm also trying to write some weird Star Trek TOS/Batman crossover fanfic thing because... Well I don't know why to be honest. But I'm too stoned and the quality of my writing is laughably bad.

Oh my fuck, I want to read this.

Especially if there's Kirk/Robin slash.

[Lily Briscoe]

Somebody texted me a link to this really, really bizarre article earlier today, which I thought people in this thread might appreciate: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jun/08/the-dolphin-who-loved-me

Also, I finally forced myself to spend about thirty minutes of my evening trying to create some kind of sorry excuse for artwork, which resulted in this (probably forever-unfinished) abomination:
http://i.imgur.com/YcuEDLD.jpgIf nothing else, I like that my drawings make people want to give me the name of their therapist, hah.

[synthesis]

Somebody texted me a link to this really, really bizarre article earlier today, which I thought people in this thread might appreciate: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jun/08/the-dolphin-who-loved-me

Oh fuck, I read that too. "Sensuous, but not sexual." That part about the dolphin committing suicide was super depressing.

[Os Cangaceiros]

No more sizzurp:

http://www.substance.com/sizzurps-rise-was-sizzurps-downfall/

Maybe Lil Wayne, Juicy J and the rest will finally shut the fuck up about it now.

[Ele'ill]

oregon is going to legalize marijuana soon

[BIXX]

I hope so. Will the whole process- growing to selling to smoking- be legal?

[Lily Briscoe]

At the beach and loads of people just smoking weed out in the open. No idea why I'm on my phone

[Crabbensmasher]

Also, I finally forced myself to spend about thirty minutes of my evening trying to create some kind of sorry excuse for artwork, which resulted in this (probably forever-unfinished) abomination:
http://i.imgur.com/YcuEDLD.jpgIf nothing else, I like that my drawings make people want to give me the name of their therapist, hah.

This is amazing.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I hope so. Will the whole process- growing to selling to smoking- be legal?

It'll probably be legal to grow (to a certain amount...I think the law is modeled after Colorado's and not Washington's), and smoke, but not sell (without a license). Alaska will probably legalize fully by the end of this year also.

California won't be that far behind. Then you'll be able to blaze (legally) from Seattle to San Diego.

[Lily Briscoe]

This is amazing.

Hey, thanks. I've actually worked on it a couple more times since then, which is a good sign and probably means I'll end up finishing it and doing other stuff afterwards. Still got a big white space in the background that I'm not sure how to fill yet, though (if anybody has any ideas...:p):
http://i.imgur.com/Elmbpvn.jpgAlso, fish-eating spiders: http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/jun/19/spiders-catch-eat-fish-discovery-scientists-video

[Ele'ill]

It'll probably be legal to grow (to a certain amount...I think the law is modeled after Colorado's and not Washington's), and smoke, but not sell (without a license). Alaska will probably legalize fully by the end of this year also.

California won't be that far behind. Then you'll be able to blaze (legally) from Seattle to San Diego.

Have you heard when exactly pot is going to be sold in stores in oregon? I am going to take a guess at 2+ years until there are actual stores if all of this is pushed through, which is lame. Although stores popped up in WA pretty quick, there's a store in Vancouver like right there.

[Lily Briscoe]

There still aren't any stores open around here. Next month is what I'm hearing.

[Ele'ill]

you will have to share your experiences with what's good

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Pretty fucking high with BK BBQ shit. Like is pretty gewd.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

High. Puppy. Castaway. Wilson. Ahhhhh.

[Lily Briscoe]

you will have to share your experiences with what's good
I doubt I'll actually be doing much weed shopping there considering what I hear they're gonna charge (versus an ounce of pretty good stuff at the 'medical' dispensaries for $160-180), but I'll definitely at least check the places out (and also probably gonna have to find out what this 'dabbing' business is all about :blushing:, even though I'm sure it will cost a fucking fortune).

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

http://37.media.tumblr.com/249adbb99b55c29b9e4e61f8ce9e97cd/tumblr_n7nny89g4W1tv85u1o1_500.jpg

[Ele'ill]

lol

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No more sizzurp:

http://www.substance.com/sizzurps-rise-was-sizzurps-downfall/

Maybe Lil Wayne, Juicy J and the rest will finally shut the fuck up about it now.
Let's just hope they don't figure out hydrocodone syrup is a thing and it exists



Tonight I took 75mg (5x 15mg) of instant release morphine sulfate. Meh ... I'm mostly extremely sleepy. Not so much euphoria. No noticeable body high. I'd rather take oxycodone. I think I just have a natural mild tolerance to opiates. 20mg of oxycodone will make my friends puke but I'll kick back with 40mg (no tolerance obv.) and possibly be disappointed.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Morphine just isn't all that recreational, surprisingly (the pills anyway). Most opioid fiends I know poo-poo the morphine sulfite tablets...oxy or maybe hydromorphone/oxymorphone seem to be what people like most pill-wise. before they discover hair-on. :unsure:

I'm more of an stimulant person myself though.

[Skyhilist]

In about a week I'm trying mescaline HCl for the first time. Should I smoke weed with it?

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Morphine just isn't all that recreational, surprisingly (the pills anyway). Most opioid fiends I know poo-poo the morphine sulfite tablets...oxy or maybe hydromorphone/oxymorphone seem to be what people like most pill-wise. before they discover hair-on. :unsure:

I'm more of an stimulant person myself though.
Yeah, it ended up being a really weird experience. Not long after I posted that and got off RevLeft, I got the nods reeeally hard and a very mild opiate bodybuzz. It was severely sedating, whereas when I take a bunch of oxycodone I have energy and want to do things. Morphine just kind of made me feel calm, then sleep itself became a motherfucking Balrog in the mines of Moria and I was motherfucking Gandalf trying to fight that bastard off, before it wrapped me around the leg and dragged me into the depths of morphine-dreams all night, waking up every two hours with vivid surreal shit going on in my dreams. I don't think it was a BAD experience, but it was not the opiate high I was expecting or wanting.

My only major complaint is it's the next day and, while I'm not high, I still have mild nods and it's annoying. I'll feel myself zoning out, eyes become unfocused, and start to nod then catch myself. Almost fell out of my chair and faceplanted the floor in class this morning. It wasn't even extended release morphine. Or at least I don't think it is. The only other time this has happened is when I took some oxycontin without smashing it into that pasty goo and got the full extended release, 12 hour dose.

You prefer stimulants? Stimulants I like sometimes. I have like 0.5g of coke in my desk that I haven't felt like using. I haven't been to a party recently and I'd rather just get stoned at home. Might bust it out and play some counter-strike later tonight. Fuck it. Never done regular amphetamines, though. Just meth once on accident.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Yeah, I like stimulants. Especially amphetamines, definitely one of my favorite drugs and (IMO) one of the most practical and least addictive (talking about dextroamphetamine here, not meth). Cocaine is OK too, but I'm kind of done buying street drugs here because the quality is usually so poor and the price makes it not worth it. Also MDMA and psychedelic hallucinogens...psy-hallucinogens are some of my favorites and I definitely consider them to be stimulants...I can't go to sleep on LSD, lol.

Ironically my two favorite drugs (marijuana and benzodiazepines) are depressants, but I tend to like sativa-dominant weed and benzos that are more anxiolytic than hypnotic...

Meth is pretty prominent where I live, but I don't really like the whole "scene" associated with it...it's one of the worst drug scenes IMO, chock full of really bizarre/paranoid and dangerous people. It's also a "street drug" too, so the quality varies and it also makes me break out whenever I've done it, so I don't do it anymore...something can totally ruin my physical health, but when it starts messing with my vanity it's over! :mad:

For "blast-off" on a budget, though, there really are no better drugs than meth. Someone once told me that Adderall is "basically just like meth". I LOL'd at that. Snorting Adderall gives you a bit more wakefulness and feels OK; snorting meth makes you feel like Roger Daltrey is in your brain kicking off "Won't Get Fooled Again". "EEEEEEEE-YEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!"

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Pretty fucking fried lolololol

[Lily Briscoe]

...least addictive (talking about dextroamphetamine here...)

:unsure:

[Os Cangaceiros]

You think Adderall etc. is addictive? IMO it's not terribly addictive just because it doesn't rush your brain with dopamine like meth or cocaine does. I'm pretty sure, as an amphetamine, that it does have SOME impact on dopamine, but in my experience it's not a "feels good man"-type drug. I've also read some medical literature that suggests that amphetamines when taken at "therapeutic doses" aren't very addictive and most people don't escalate their usage...

Some people will literally get addicted to anything that's a psychoactive drug, though.

[Lily Briscoe]

I think it's super addictive.

[Lily Briscoe]

^Actually I was just talking to somebody about this a little bit ago and it kind of clarified something.

I think the stuff that I tend to find the most addicting isn't the stuff that gives some kind of intense euphoria (I've never found the stronger opioids even remotely addicting, for example), but the stuff that has some really "practical" use.

So for example, when I was 12 or 13, I was dealing with some really messed up shit at school that was causing me to skip class all the time and have panic attacks on a daily basis etc., so I got prescribed Xanax. And I never got any sort of 'euphoria' from it, just a general sense of not giving a fuck. Which, with what was going on at the time, was pretty much a practical necessity. And probably for exactly that reason, I got addicted to it really fast, blah blah, don't remember huge chunks of time from my teenage years, and didn't get off of it until I was like 20.

And I think amphetamines are addicting (for me at least) for a similar reason. I'm like the ADHD prototype, so Adderall is (at least inititally) super, super helpful on a practical level, and because of that, really easy to become psychologically dependent on just on a day-to-day basis (and while I don't know what the medical literature says, I know that personally I always develop a tolerance after awhile, and I was definitely under the impression that this is a pretty widely-known phenomenon with amphetamines..)

But no, I'm not someone who "literally get[s] addicted to anything that's a psychoactive drug". Benzos and amphetamines are the only things I've ever found addicting, and I've done a lot of shit.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Amphetamines are only one molecule away from methamphetamine. I don't get what you guys are talking about in terms of there is no 'rush.' I do admit however it's been like 5-6 years since I have taken amphetamines or adderal and they could have made it time release or fuck with it in some fashion but I have always got a rush comparable to meth and coke. Just not quite as strongly as methamphetamine or as awesome and chill as blow.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I think the stuff that I tend to find the most addicting isn't the stuff that gives some kind of intense euphoria (I've never found the stronger opioids even remotely addicting, for example), but the stuff that has some really "practical" use.

So for example, when I was 12 or 13, I was dealing with some really messed up shit at school that was causing me to skip class all the time and have panic attacks on a daily basis etc., so I got prescribed Xanax. And I never got any sort of 'euphoria' from it, just a general sense of not giving a fuck. Which, with what was going on at the time, was pretty much a practical necessity. And probably for exactly that reason, I got addicted to it really fast, blah blah, don't remember huge chunks of time from my teenage years, and didn't get off of it until I was like 20.

And I think amphetamines are addicting (for me at least) for a similar reason. I'm like the ADHD prototype, so Adderall is (at least inititally) super, super helpful on a practical level, and because of that, really easy to become psychologically dependent on just on a day-to-day basis (and while I don't know what the medical literature says, I know that personally I always develop a tolerance after awhile, and I was definitely under the impression that this is a pretty widely-known phenomenon with amphetamines..)

But no, I'm not someone who "literally get[s] addicted to anything that's a psychoactive drug". Benzos and amphetamines are the only things I've ever found addicting, and I've done a lot of shit.

Well I can kind of relate to this, but I think we're in the minority among people who've use or used drugs. Most people want to just get as high as possible, I think...I can't even count all of the times that people have told me that benzos are worthless drugs because you can't "get high" off them, or tweakers who've gone on about how Adderall is worthless because it doesn't get them as gacked-out as they want to be.

In regards to the ADHD/amphetamine-misuse thing, I found this:


However, research points to the conclusion that people of any age receiving a medication for ADHD have no greater risk for illicit substance abuse compared to the general population.28-30 A meta-analysis of research studies concludes that there is a 50% reduction in later-life use of illicit drugs by those who have been prescribed stimulants in comparison to peers without ADHD.31 One study observed that adolescents with ADHD who went untreated had a 3 to 4 times greater rate of illicit substance abuse patterns than those adolescents whose ADHD was treated with stimulants.32

A 13-year follow-up study of 147 individuals with ADHD confirmed data from 11 previous studies observing that illicit drug use in adulthood is not associated with childhood stimulant treatment of ADHD.33 A subsequent study examining adults who were prescribed stimulants as children also noted no increase in substance use or abuse patterns at a mean follow-up age of 26 years.34 Some research suggests a protective effect in which those who use prescription stimulants to manage their ADHD are less prone to using alcohol, cigarettes, marijuana, hallucinogens, or other drugs.10,30 Thus, it may be concluded that while stimulant abuse warrants caution in prescribing to avoid inappropriate use of these medications, withholding stimulants from legitimate ADHD patients may confer an increased risk of future drug abuse.

http://www.acha.org/prof_dev/ADHD_docs/ADHD_PDprogram_Article2.pdf

[Sea]

Let's just hope they don't figure out hydrocodone syrup is a thing and it exists



Tonight I took 75mg (5x 15mg) of instant release morphine sulfate. Meh ... I'm mostly extremely sleepy. Not so much euphoria. No noticeable body high. I'd rather take oxycodone. I think I just have a natural mild tolerance to opiates. 20mg of oxycodone will make my friends puke but I'll kick back with 40mg (no tolerance obv.) and possibly be disappointed.
Bioavailability 20–40% (oral)
36–71% (rectally)
100% (IV/IM)Just try finding a way to make it smokable maybe, that's mostly why poppies are magical on their own anyway. Oral is equivalent to a lower dose that comes on much slower, so of course it's much less euphoric.

[Lily Briscoe]

http://i.imgur.com/DI2YF2b.jpgSnake season.

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Just try finding a way to make it smokable maybe, that's mostly why poppies are magical on their own anyway. Oral is equivalent to a lower dose that comes on much slower, so of course it's much less euphoric.
That post was my last bit of morphine, but I'll keep that in mind the next time it comes around. It's cheap as hell here when it's around ($5 for 15mg), presumably because the serious pill folks don't want it.

Just got some oxycontin 80s for $25 each. Oh my word ... I don't have a tolerance, though, so I gotta cut these down. I always wait for my tolerance to go down between the times I buy opiates. Shit's too expensive otherwise.


Yeah, I like stimulants. Especially amphetamines, definitely one of my favorite drugs and (IMO) one of the most practical and least addictive (talking about dextroamphetamine here, not meth). Cocaine is OK too, but I'm kind of done buying street drugs here because the quality is usually so poor and the price makes it not worth it. Also MDMA and psychedelic hallucinogens...psy-hallucinogens are some of my favorites and I definitely consider them to be stimulants...I can't go to sleep on LSD, lol.

Ironically my two favorite drugs (marijuana and benzodiazepines) are depressants, but I tend to like sativa-dominant weed and benzos that are more anxiolytic than hypnotic...

Meth is pretty prominent where I live, but I don't really like the whole "scene" associated with it...it's one of the worst drug scenes IMO, chock full of really bizarre/paranoid and dangerous people. It's also a "street drug" too, so the quality varies and it also makes me break out whenever I've done it, so I don't do it anymore...something can totally ruin my physical health, but when it starts messing with my vanity it's over! :mad:

For "blast-off" on a budget, though, there really are no better drugs than meth. Someone once told me that Adderall is "basically just like meth". I LOL'd at that. Snorting Adderall gives you a bit more wakefulness and feels OK; snorting meth makes you feel like Roger Daltrey is in your brain kicking off "Won't Get Fooled Again". "EEEEEEEE-YEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!"
Every time I end up hanging around meth heads, they freak me out. Been up for a couple days, paranoid as all hell, moody as FUCK, etc. The one time I did meth it was on accident, my buddy bought what we thought was mdma with the plan that we'd split it and walk down the street to a party. But after we split it into two lines and boogered it, it was pretty immediately apparent that the Fire of Satan and Enhanced Productivity in our sinuses was not mdma. The party was not attended.

[Sea]

Just got some oxycontin 80s for $25 each. Oh my word ... I don't have a tolerance, though, so I gotta cut these down. I always wait for my tolerance to go down between the times I buy opiates. Shit's too expensive otherwise.Holy fuckity fuck that's cheap. Remind me to loot your flat next time I stalk you.

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Holy fuckity fuck that's cheap. Remind me to loot your flat next time I stalk you.
It's cool I always share.

On that note I hate when people get all fiendish / selfish with their drugs. Only time I won't share with someone I'm chilling with is if there's literally not enough to go around, in which case I save it for later to not be a dick, or if they're a mooch. My big gripe with coke, really. I don't mind it. It's okay, fun sometimes. But everyone EVERYONE I know except one person gets super fiendish around it.

[Leftsolidarity]

How long can you expect some rough after effects of MDMA if it's going to pass a day or so?

[Sasha]

Depends on the person, the drugs and a whole lot of factors. For me its often the day after having the real physical hangover while it can be a day of 2 or maybe even 3 before I get more the mental dip of a low serotonin and I feel slightly depressed and very demotivated to get shit done for a day.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/f2/3e/6d/f23e6d8f6eae7c6577abdd4b746b5ff1.jpg

Hello John

[Ele'ill]

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[Ele'ill]

http://38.media.tumblr.com/5e86f77277de680ae7fcd356c6b41774/tumblr_mjzahtgG9I1ql8i93o1_500.png
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[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Know what I hate? When your way high and pissed off and the person(s) you want to fuck up are within walking distance and you're really not trying to start drama but like you wanna start a riot in this piece and it's just ever so frustrating. :glare:

#ratchetproblems

[Skyhilist]

I had a crazy strong mushroom trip a few months ago. When I get really baked now some of the tactile feelings (not nausea) from mushrooms seem to come back now, but mildly. Also I can see mild visual distortions if I focus on things while high now and I couldn't do that before mushrooms. Quite interesting, and I actually find it pretty enjoyable.

[Skyhilist]

I tried mescaline today (500mg of Mescaline HCl) for the first time, and I have to say that it was incredibly beautiful, and I feel like I learnt a whole lot about myself, and feel more connected to nature than ever now. I took it with a friend at a nearby waterfall in the forest. I'm still tripping a bit but have mostly come down. At the peak it was probably a level three trip, although no amount of levels can describe the amount of insight that I feel I've received. Even though it's been much less visual than my level 5 trip on mushrooms, I think it's easily been just as insightful. On mushrooms, a female computer voice gave me advice that has helped in stabilizing my life's direction. On mescaline I realized that I don't need that computer voice to live deliberately and with a purpose, and that it's within me. I also learned not to be so nit-picky about pointing out minor details that people get wrong and shouldn't correct people over things that ultimately don't matter. Prior to this trip, I feel like I did that a lot and it alienated a lot of people, but not I finally feel confidant that it wont happen any more, because I realize now what a dick I could be sometimes when I was like that. And the connection that I can now say that I feel with nature - it's brilliantly ineffable and infinitely beautiful. This drug also made me extremely introspective, but it was great because of how clear headed I was when I was thinking about things - it was very easy for my friend and I to connect with what we were feeling and thinking, and it wasn't just gibberish. We both opened up to each other a lot, and it was very therapeutic. My friend even opened up to me about his cocaine addiction, which I didn't even know he had before hand. He said he felt permanently changed for the better because of the experience on mescaline though (as did I), and based on his mindset, I'm glad to say that I have confidence that because of his mescaline experience and the insights he gained from it, he'll be able to beat his cocaine addiction. Everyone should try this drug if they get a chance at some point in their lives. It's contributed a lot to my personal growth today alone, and I can honestly say that this has been one of the 5 most important experiences of my life, even though it wasn't extremely visual compared to some other psychedelics (although, I did hallucinate 6 animals at different points in a stream and in the woods, including a moose, green tree frog, neonate snake, hippopotamus, squid, and camel). I'm really happy about the insights that I feel like I've gained, and feel like my life can be lived much more deliberately now. Sorry if I've ever been a dick to anyone on here - I'll make a concerted effort not to do that from now on.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Me 99.99% of the time here

https://thegoldenlimoncello.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/itssofunnybecausesheissofat_07d5bd2bf1db7f5f4d74c9 4287d5f072.jpg

[Lily Briscoe]

Stoned at work, what a waste. Cannot wait to gtfo of here

[M-L-C-F]

Stoned at work, what a waste. Cannot wait to gtfo of here

Yeah, but it makes the day easier. My ex-girlfriend and I used to smoke at lunch with our friends, at my old grocery job. I'd get the munchies right before second break, which was good timing. But then I would get crabby afterwards, cause I couldn't take my nap while I was coming down. :crying:

[consuming negativity]

I'm not gonna be out of weed for months. I feel a wondrous new era approaching.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

So this rain is fucking lame, what meteorological fuckery and poor fortune is this. No dabs, 4 bowels, broken umbrella, two tired legs, puppy/cat sleigh out of season. Gaaaaah yyyyyyyyy God yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy u do theeeeeeeeees.

[Ele'ill]

have you all watched the Vice series where folks do acid and go to dog shows/monster car rallies and stuff and have to pretend to be journalists and do interviews :lol:

[Skyhilist]

have you all watched the Vice series where folks do acid and go to dog shows/monster car rallies and stuff and have to pretend to be journalists and do interviews :lol:

That sounds amazing. link?

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

I'm not gonna be out of weed for months. I feel a wondrous new era approaching.

Don't say things you'll only regret, the more you have the more you smoke.

[Ele'ill]

That sounds amazing. link?


TzwALcR98N4

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That was so painfully awkward to watch, it was amazing. The one time I was in public on acid, everyone I talked to could tell something was up. I don't know how he held himself together.

[Ele'ill]

if you do a search on Vice's youtube channel you'll find the Westminster dog show episode and the stand up comedy open mic night episode, the folks do acid before both (supposedly, I mean this could all be fake)

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if you do a search on Vice's youtube channel you'll find the Westminster dog show episode and the stand up comedy open mic night episode, the folks do acid before both (supposedly, I mean this could all be fake)
Haha, hell yeah, those are great. Well, the stand up one was (and his single joke), watching the dog one right now. I guess they should do like a pupil check or something, close up on their eye, "I'm really tripping, look at my skillet pupils"

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3:31 those are some serious acid pupils, he's gotta be really tripping or they dilated his eyes.

[Ele'ill]

i like when the one guy who isn't even tripping yet says he's afraid of seeing a greyhound

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

That was so painfully awkward to watch, it was amazing. The one time I was in public on acid, everyone I talked to could tell something was up. I don't know how he held himself together.

The time I was out in public on acid was pretty good. Although I felt that people could probably tell I was high, I didn't give a damn. It's a wonderfully liberating feeling to walk down a supermarket aisle while buzzing and not giving a shit.

Anyone here had an attack of delusional paranoia while on acid? That shit's unreal, you start thinking people you're sharing the room with are playing some kind of fucked-up mind game to try and drive you mental. It's a hell of a lot more "complicated" than the more generalised paranoia that weed can give you. Last time it happened to me I managed to just about stay on top of it. Remembering how strong that stuff can be helps, I find.

Related:

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[consuming negativity]

Don't say things you'll only regret, the more you have the more you smoke.

It's possible. It is true that the quality is a bit lower. But it's still gonna last me a while. Vaping is great.

[Art Vandelay]

Anyone here had an attack of delusional paranoia while on acid? That shit's unreal, you start thinking people you're sharing the room with are playing some kind of fucked-up mind game to try and drive you mental. It's a hell of a lot more "complicated" than the more generalised paranoia that weed can give you. Last time it happened to me I managed to just about stay on top of it. Remembering how strong that stuff can be helps, I find.

That happened to me last time I did mush. Was at some house party and it was absolutely horrible. Felt like everyone was fucking with me (they werent ) and like I was the butt of some ongoing joke (I wasnt ). Setting is so important with psychedelics.

[Sinister Intents]

I'm finally getting stoned for the first time in too long of a while :)

[Ele'ill]

Am on pharm-drugs again for the first time in a long while. Also had 400mg of caffeine way earlier this morning. 20mg Celexa (Citalopram) pretty average starting dose, it is an SSRI, took it in a park. I'm aware of placebo and unrelated things adding to how this feels but after about 30min-hour I felt like I was coming up on a psychedelic, energy in my stomach/solar plexus and a waiting to trip kind of feeling and it gradually radiated into limbs as a warm soft sensation. Right now is not much fun though feel manic like energy went over the top kind of like what happens sometimes with pot where the stoned feeling goes away until I can get out and walk and lose myself somewhere big and expansive while pacing.

*anxiety is going away on and off which is common I think with SSRIs, scratching mosquito bites feels fucking wonderful and my breath feels like I am breathing in pure opiate fumes and exhaling clouds of velvet bunny rabbits

[Art Vandelay]

Citalopram is what I was on for a while. Can't remember my dosage, but hope you have better luck with it than I did. Different pills seem to effect everyone differently. Hope they help.

[Ele'ill]

Did it not work for you or was it horrible and bad

[Art Vandelay]

I had a lot of shitty side effects. I felt like a zombie kind of, a lot of what happened during that time is kinda hazy (for a couple different reasons). I started sleeping a shit load and constantly had extremely vivid nightmares and dreams. Suicidal ideation and stuff like that went from fleeting and not too serious, to scary and a minute by minute bssis. I had some trouble with intimacy in my relationship due to a decrease in libido. I look back at a lot of the stuff that went down then and can't help but think, 'I wasn't myself.'

I'm not trying to scare you or anything. Cause I guarantee that there is someone out there with the exact opposite experience probably saying 'citalopram' saved my life or whatever. I also wasn't honest with my therapist about what was going on and what side effects I was experiencing. As shit got worse I started drinking like a fish which in turn made things much much worse, and eventually I stopped taking the meds without consulting anyone, which is apparently a big no no.

So yeah, it was pretty horrible and bad, but you could probably look at that as a check list of everything not to do. If I had handled things better, it very well might of had a positive effect for me and helped a bunch and saved me a shit ton of time spent figuring stuff out. The experience soured me on ssri's, but I also have a friend who they've done wonders for. I can't remember what it is that she takes, but they've had a pretty good effect on what was otherwise some crippling anxiety.

[Lily Briscoe]

I've been on celexa like three different times (i think I've literally been on every single antidepressant on the market except for Paxil, Effexor, and the tricyclics). I didn't have any side effects from it as far as I can remember, but it didn't do anything positive for me either (so exactly like every antidepressant I've ever been on, basically). Good luck, though.

[Sinister Intents]

I will buy magic mushrooms when they're available from the wierd hippy dude who makes bubbles that lives near my aunt. I will buy them and they will be good. How the fuck do you do mushrooms and what's the dosage type thing I gotta keep in mind?

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I will buy magic mushrooms when they're available from the wierd hippy dude who makes bubbles that lives near my aunt. I will buy them and they will be good. How the fuck do you do mushrooms and what's the dosage type thing I gotta keep in mind?

An eighth of an ounce is supposed to make you trip good, might want to start with a little less than that too.

[consuming negativity]

Am on pharm-drugs again for the first time in a long while. Also had 400mg of caffeine way earlier this morning. 20mg Celexa (Citalopram) pretty average starting dose, it is an SSRI, took it in a park. I'm aware of placebo and unrelated things adding to how this feels but after about 30min-hour I felt like I was coming up on a psychedelic, energy in my stomach/solar plexus and a waiting to trip kind of feeling and it gradually radiated into limbs as a warm soft sensation. Right now is not much fun though feel manic like energy went over the top kind of like what happens sometimes with pot where the stoned feeling goes away until I can get out and walk and lose myself somewhere big and expansive while pacing.

*anxiety is going away on and off which is common I think with SSRIs, scratching mosquito bites feels fucking wonderful and my breath feels like I am breathing in pure opiate fumes and exhaling clouds of velvet bunny rabbits

...

Did you just say you were tripping on caffeine and antidepressants? I cannot stop laughing.

[Ele'ill]

Did you just say you were tripping on caffeine and antidepressants?

no

[Ele'ill]

How the fuck do you do mushrooms and what's the dosage type thing I gotta keep in mind?

I would strongly suggest you take it easy with psychedelics. The dosage depends on what type of mushrooms you get.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11188831

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms.shtml

[PC LOAD LETTER]

Am on pharm-drugs again for the first time in a long while. Also had 400mg of caffeine way earlier this morning. 20mg Celexa (Citalopram) pretty average starting dose, it is an SSRI, took it in a park. I'm aware of placebo and unrelated things adding to how this feels but after about 30min-hour I felt like I was coming up on a psychedelic, energy in my stomach/solar plexus and a waiting to trip kind of feeling and it gradually radiated into limbs as a warm soft sensation. Right now is not much fun though feel manic like energy went over the top kind of like what happens sometimes with pot where the stoned feeling goes away until I can get out and walk and lose myself somewhere big and expansive while pacing.

*anxiety is going away on and off which is common I think with SSRIs, scratching mosquito bites feels fucking wonderful and my breath feels like I am breathing in pure opiate fumes and exhaling clouds of velvet bunny rabbits
A few years ago when I was taking antidepressants, on the second day (took it in the morning) I ended up with a really weird, really unpleasant time distortion/dilation feeling combined with a weird hyperactivity, my heart was racing, my skin was hot, and it affected my short term memory pretty bad. I kept zoning out and not remembering the past few minutes.

It lasted two days and then never happened again. I stopped taking them a few months later.

[Ele'ill]

I def feel calmer, I know when my pupils are like saucers cause everything has an intense lighting to it, mouth is dry too. It kind of seems to come in waves every so often like once or twice an hour where my mouth gets dry, I feel stoned, everything has a glow.

[Skyhilist]

I would strongly suggest you take it easy with psychedelics. The dosage depends on what type of mushrooms you get.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11188831

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms.shtml

I second this. First time on mushrooms I took 5 grams of powdered cubes in lemon juice, and it was absolutely terrifying. So yeah, take a low to moderate dose for your first time, and don't expect not to puke.

[Quail]

When I started on citalopram I felt a bit like I was on some kind of unpleasant version of ecstasy. It was pretty horrible. After the side effects calmed down I mostly felt like a zombie and I took myself off it when I ran out which was also very unpleasant. But... different drugs work for different people, so I hope you have a better experience with it than I did, Mari3l.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

I def feel calmer, I know when my pupils are like saucers cause everything has an intense lighting to it, mouth is dry too. It kind of seems to come in waves every so often like once or twice an hour where my mouth gets dry, I feel stoned, everything has a glow.
It can be really sedating, like it takes away the energy you would otherwise use to feel depressed or anxious. Kinda like it dulls extreme emotions.

Like Quail said, though, after the side effects calm down it'll be pretty subtle. You won't get the more pronounced / less pleasant side effects anymore before too long. But, stick with it for a few weeks to see how it works for you.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

Bought a nice new bong the other day. About a foot and a half tall and it rips so good. First day I have it my friend drops the bowl and that breaks. On the third day a dumbass hit it with my seatbelt after he yanked on it and he hit the base of it and cracked it! Had to use plumbers putty to stop the leaking :mad:. Not off to a good start with it.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

I will buy magic mushrooms when they're available from the wierd hippy dude who makes bubbles that lives near my aunt. I will buy them and they will be good. How the fuck do you do mushrooms and what's the dosage type thing I gotta keep in mind?

Try a gram man

[Skyhilist]

Try a gram man

A gram might not even be threshold though depending on the variety.

Are they cubensis, or...

Either way, shroomery has a dosage link based on what "level" trip you want (don't aim for levels 4 or 5 on your first time), which I think someone already posted.

[consuming negativity]

The best source for the information won't be RevLeft, it will be the person you're getting them from. They should know which species of mushroom it is, even if they don't know exact dosages. A standard dose can vary substantially but I always start on the smaller end when trying something new.

[bcbm]

im fuckin high

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

I love smoking wet, woop woop, it's my fav lot main

[Ele'ill]

I love smoking wet, woop woop, it's my fav lot main



my first experience in understanding wet was when a coworker told me that he smoked it and then punched a hole in someone garage door and then cried the rest of the night alone

[consuming negativity]

^ lmao

tonight's the night + wake and bake

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

I had to chainsaw some shit yesterday so I couldn't smoke, but now it's time to make up for it by running my mouth on a sales call to prevent anyone else from talking. I have insights to share and none of them are relevant to sales.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I love living on my own with my roommates where I can wake up and hit the bong in the morning. Now the mission is to make it so my room doesn't smell like straight up dank.

[consuming negativity]

Open a window and spray some Ozium

[Ele'ill]

dks1cqQZnqg

[Lily Briscoe]

80 degrees out, tons of people smoking, first surf of the year :) Loving this.

[Sasha]

Fuck reggae, getting blitzed at an down gig, sludge metal is a better stoner genre than even stoner rock.

[TheEmancipator]

Not stoned but came here to say that I once took a bong hit of some salvia thinking it was weed.

Not a good thing to do.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Really, really fucking irritated that I don't feel as high as I shoul be and since this morning have felt in some limbo fuck of a half are where, even after smoking I don't feel like I should. Fucking oil. Bleh. Hopefully this clear ups tomorrow :(

Anyone else get like that after fuckin with oil for awhile?


Edit: pretty fucked up now. Thanks tranqs. Hahahaha

[Quail]

Every time I take 2ce I throw up everywhere. And yet... if someone offers it to me I'll still fucking take it. Silly really.

Stoned out of my mind tonight. Watching pointless videos and thinking about stuff. Texting my girlfriend and wishing she was here.

[Sinister Intents]

I'm bought a fucking eighth of mushrooms!!!

[Lily Briscoe]

I hope you know what you're doing...

[Sinister Intents]

Why?

[Lily Briscoe]

1. Doing mushrooms isn't really 'fun'; it isn't 'seeing cool shit' or something. It's pretty intense and can be very scary, especially the first time. If you're looking for something 'fun', you are looking in the wrong place (just FYI, you can store mushrooms pretty long-term in a mason jar with a desiccant in a dark place, e.g. a clothing drawer).

2. Don't take this the wrong way, but from your posts on here, you don't exactly come across as someone who is very emotionally stable and/or as someone who would be an ideal 'candidate' for hallucinogens...

Maybe I'm totally wrong, though. I hope at least you've read a lot about it and have some sense of what it can entail/possible things to expect, and also, if you do decide to do them, that you have a sitter.

[Ele'ill]

I second the cautionary post above

[Sinister Intents]

Caution well heeded!!!

I'm not doing it for fun and not out of thinking it'll be cool, but rather bevause I want an escape and they're low quality and my girlfriend agreed to sitting for me. I expect a trainwreck

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Caution well heeded!!!

I'm not doing it for fun and not out of thinking it'll be cool, but rather bevause I want an escape and they're low quality and my girlfriend agreed to sitting for me. I expect a trainwreck

Just be cool and maintain your shit my g.

Also, in other news, I'm getting pretty fucked up minute by minute and it's awesome, lol, I love you seroquel<3

[Sasha]

Just finished work and ended up on some very vague and quite empty funk/techno warehouse party from some of my co workers. Took some E someone just passed me, no idea how strong it is and the first time I took E in fucking months.
Smoked also some strong weed and downed some beer and wodka on a tired body.
Will report back in later if I am still able

[Sasha]

Lol, the party just finished when i was getting in the groove, the E was not so strong but nice, so i took a really pretty bike ride through the harbour and then went home and had a fabulous night sleep.
It was a good night,

[Sinister Intents]

I need pot

[Leftsolidarity]

The only time I come on this website anymore is when I'm pooping.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

The only time I come on this website anymore is when I'm pooping.

That's pretty fucking gross dude.

[Leftsolidarity]

That's pretty fucking gross dude.

Eh, if one thinks pooping is gross. Most of my time in the bathroom is spent smoking a cigarette and reading teh interwebz. Only about 30% of the time I'm actually doing potty things.

[Ele'ill]

couldn't you just smoke and stuff outside why so much time in the bathroom

[Lily Briscoe]

Anyways!

[M-L-C-F]

The only time I come on this website anymore is when I'm pooping.

That's the only situation when browsing this site isn't a complete waste of time. :p

[Sinister Intents]

Blaharghimarmalade

[Sinister Intents]

Intensely, intense, I'm really fucking moved. Geometric, everything moving all things moving. One frane to the next where is reality?

[Leftsolidarity]

couldn't you just smoke and stuff outside why so much time in the bathroom

No one can bother me in the bathroom. It's my time to escape the world for 20 minutes and not do anything.

[Lily Briscoe]

Madronas are such cool looking trees: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbutus_menziesii

[Futility Personified]

I think i'd be illiterate if I didn't poop. Many a book of dubious potential has been cracked open and revealed to be wonderful in there. If you call your bathroom the chamber of
ill-poo-mination, then you are violating my copyright and I get to throw darts at your face.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

I recently purchased my first couch, I plan on using that as my primary reading hole. I'm normally in and out of the bathroom before the desire to crack open a novel hits.

In other news, its friday, its my lunch break, let us begin the weekend without letting anyone else know about it

[Leftsolidarity]

I recently purchased my first couch, I plan on using that as my primary reading hole. I'm normally in and out of the bathroom before the desire to crack open a novel hits.

In other news, its friday, its my lunch break, let us begin the weekend without letting anyone else know about it

why don't you put the couch in the bathroom?

[PC LOAD LETTER]

why don't you put the couch in the bathroom?
This ... is probably the greatest suggestion I've ever read on the internet.

[Lily Briscoe]

Called in sick to work and went blunt-hiking all day.

Also, madrona:
http://i.imgur.com/o9LKIAl.jpg

[Sinister Intents]

I'm really baked ad evrythunh is so pretty and I feel very pretty

[Lily Briscoe]

This is pretty interesting:The first example of a rock engraving attributed to Neanderthals has been discovered in Gorham's Cave, Gibraltar, by an international team bringing together prehistorians from the French Laboratory 'De la Préhistoire à l'Actuel: Culture, Environnement et Anthropologie' (PACEA -- CNRS/Université Bordeaux/Ministère de la Culture et de la Communication), and researchers from the UK and Spain. Dated at over 39,000 years old, it consists of a deeply impressed cross-hatching carved into rock. Its analysis calls into question the view that the production of representational and abstract depictions on cave walls was a cultural innovation introduced into Europe by modern humans.

On the contrary, the findings, published Sept. 1 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, support the hypothesis that Neanderthals had a symbolic material culture.
The production of representational and abstract depictions on cave walls is seen as a key stage in the development of human cultures. Until now, this cultural innovation was considered to be a characteristic feature of modern humans, who colonized Europe around 40,000 years ago. It has also frequently been used to suggest that there were marked cognitive differences between modern humans and the Neanderthals who preceded them, and who did not express themselves in this way. The recent discovery in Gorham's Cave changes the picture.
It consists of an abstract engraving in the form of a deeply impressed cross-hatching carved into the bedrock at the back of the cave. At the time it was identified it was covered by a layer of sediment shown by radiocarbon dating to be 39,000 years old. Since the engraving lies beneath this layer it is therefore older. This dating, together with the presence of Mousterian* tools characteristic of Neanderthals in the sediments covering the engraving, shows that it was made by Neanderthals, who still populated the south of the Iberian peninsula at that time.


Researchers at the PACEA Laboratory (CNRS/Université de Bordeaux/Ministère de la Culture et de la Communication) undertook a microscopic analysis of the engraving, produced a 3-D reconstruction of it, and carried out an experimental study, which demonstrated its human origin. The work also showed that the engraved lines are not the result of utilitarian activity, such as the cutting of meat or skins, but rather that of repeatedly and intentionally passing a robust pointed lithic tool (a pointed tool made of stone) into the rock to carve deep grooves. The lines were skilfully carved, and the researchers calculated that between 188 and 317 strokes of the engraving tool were necessary to achieve this result.


The discovery supports the view that graphic expression was not exclusive to modern humans, and that some Neanderthal cultures produced abstract engravings, using these to mark their living space.


The research was supported by an ERC grant.


*Mousterian culture was produced in Europe by Neanderthals during the Middle Paleolithic (300,000 to 39,000 years ago).http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140904084506.htm

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

I'm in a pretty hilarious mood. What's up cocaine.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Got more bread than a homeless shelter, man, I'm realer than grape faygo and lean, couldn't catch me in a dream, always stay clean, as I spring to the scene like a fuckin blunt vulture, caw caw, lackin all culture, stay on the slackin like a plumbers waistline man I'm coolin, with my MF homies, trick schoolin all you flippity flippity tramps, GOD DAMN, hit you with like a left hook from uncle fucking same, GOD DAMN, lol, high as shit man, so bored

[Taters]

krokodil is still pretty good

[Lily Briscoe]

There was a crazy thunderstorm here a few weeks ago, and I found a little patch of blue ringers the day after, which we finally decided to eat yesterday morning. Everything went well except I was freezing cold the whole time and my lips turned bright purple (mushrooms do this to me occasionally; no idea what the reason is).

In other news, the cannabis cup was held in my miserable hole of a city (for some inexplicable reason...just goes to show the organizers of the event are 100% permafried) last week. I had other stuff going on, so I didn't go (plus I honestly wasn't too interested), but there have been all kinds of goodies floating around ever since, and I finally got some (really fucking good) hash. If it were up to me, this is seriously all I would ever smoke, it is so much better than weed.

[Quail]

Codeine is like a nice fuzzy hug in chemical form. Just what I needed to relax.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Is codeine available over-the-counter in the UK?

I know in a lot of countries (like Canada) it is, although not in the USA, where it occupies the same tier as cocaine and morphine in drug law, IIRC

[Slavic]

There was a crazy thunderstorm here a few weeks ago, and I found a little patch of blue ringers the day after, which we finally decided to eat yesterday morning. Everything went well except I was freezing cold the whole time and my lips turned bright purple (mushrooms do this to me occasionally; no idea what the reason is).

In other news, the cannabis cup was held in my miserable hole of a city (for some inexplicable reason...just goes to show the organizers of the event are 100% permafried) last week. I had other stuff going on, so I didn't go (plus I honestly wasn't too interested), but there have been all kinds of goodies floating around ever since, and I finally got some (really fucking good) hash. If it were up to me, this is seriously all I would ever smoke, it is so much better than weed.

Could always make it yourself its not all that hard.

Ero wid dot org is your friend.

[Lily Briscoe]

Nah. If I want it bad enough I can just go to one of the shops.

[PC LOAD LETTER]

Codeine is like a nice fuzzy hug in chemical form. Just what I needed to relax.
def how I feel about opiates in general

[Lily Briscoe]

I cannot stop nerding out over this guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustav_Klimt)'s art. Look at this shit:

http://www.klimt.com/documents/pictures/en/women/klimt-judith2--salome-1909.jpghttp://uploads0.wikiart.org/images/gustav-klimt/portrait-of-fritza-riedler.jpghttp://www.tumblr.com/photo/1280/sealmaiden/760699487/1/tumblr_l4o39fU8ZN1qa4s0qhttp://www.leopoldmuseum.org/media/image/c950x576/17.jpghttp://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&docid=oYwbuLOfH60XBM&tbnid=TRHtP-pCAt5JsM:&ved=0CAUQjBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.metalocus.es%2Fcontent%2Fen%2 Fsystem%2Ffiles%2Ffile-images%2Fml_klimt_15_800_0.jpg&ei=3GArVKyBOIGwjALQ4YDYDw&psig=AFQjCNFmtv16tVVz3I8qptD5Ujwe7OMlUA&ust=1412215388995846http://www.metalocus.es/content/en/system/files/file-images/ml_klimt_15_800_0.jpg
So fucking cool.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Thank God for drunk friends, I just got so many drips of hash, I'm so fucking high and I've smoked k2 on top of ot. Omg

#drippylongstonging

http://memecrunch.com/meme/8UHC/k2/image.jpg

[Os Cangaceiros]

I've smoked "K2" back in the heyday of K2 before the DEA stepped in and the chemists had to work on the formula again, and I definitely know the difference between weed and it. I really don't like it or any form of synthetic cannabis, really. Fuck that shit.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

I've smoked "K2" back in the heyday of K2 before the DEA stepped in and the chemists had to work on the formula again, and I definitely know the difference between weed and it. I really don't like it or any form of synthetic cannabis, really. Fuck that shit.

It depends on the brand. That's what I've learned. I've heard stories of people wigging out or tripping or getting mean or even sick and I've heard from people such as myself, that's it's friggin awesome and te best thing since weed. Usually the kind I get, it seems to be the better kind and doesn't seem to have any if the negative side effects.

I used to be against it for years but my last time in jail, it grew on me because it was easier to hide and get in and so on.

[John Nada]

I liked the first generation of spice. Back when it was supposedly not for sale in the US and turned out to have banned cannabinoids in it. That was almost as good as the real shit. But when K2 came out, holy shit!:ohmy: Fucking stronger than sherm!

And it's progressively gotten shittier after each ban.

The problem with spice/K2 is it takes like 5 minutes to kick in, yet it can be WAY stronger than hash. So you think it's not working or it weak, and smoke more. Uh oh, now I'm tripping like a motherfucker.Fucking scarier than PCP(which is actually pretty nice IMO).

I stopped smoking that new shit though, it just feels weird and I don't want to test each new brand to find one close to the original. Also it's more addictive than weed and drives you tolerance threw the roof. I guess I just have to stick to weed, amphetamines, benzos, and alcohol.:D

[Os Cangaceiros]

The new "spice" seems to deliver an insane, speedy amphetamine-style high more than anything else. It definitely does not have the same effect as weed, weed doesn't make my heart feel like it's going to pound out of my chest.

The spice addicts around this town are fucking crazy, of course most of them also smoke crystal meth so that may explain some of it too. I find it funny that it's sold as "incense", when in reality the smell of burning spice is horrible!

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

I liked the first generation of spice. Back when it was supposedly not for sale in the US and turned out to have banned cannabinoids in it. That was almost as good as the real shit. But when K2 came out, holy shit!:ohmy: Fucking stronger than sherm!

And it's progressively gotten shittier after each ban.

The problem with spice/K2 is it takes like 5 minutes to kick in, yet it can be WAY stronger than hash. So you think it's not working or it weak, and smoke more. Uh oh, now I'm tripping like a motherfucker.Fucking scarier than PCP(which is actually pretty nice IMO).

I stopped smoking that new shit though, it just feels weird and I don't want to test each new brand to find one close to the original. Also it's more addictive than weed and drives you tolerance threw the roof. I guess I just have to stick to weed, amphetamines, benzos, and alcohol.:D

Actually, I find it funny that you make this comparison cuz I think that's one of the reasons I like it. Wet or sherm or whatever is actually one of my mains with weed and spice. I don't think space is stronger than real wet tho. Also, with current incarnations out, the brand I get don't make me feel speedy or anything like that, more so stoned out my mind and weird. What I don't like and I agree it does seem to cause a sort of feind mentality. I've noticed this in myself. Not to any pronounced degree but I have noticed it. The first hit has me high as fuck. Then I can just slam 4-5 joints down like its nothing...and then I'm mad because I wish I had more. Idk, tbh, I've been trying not to do it as much and stick to weed but it's just all around me.

[Os Cangaceiros]

What's being high on PCP actually like?

Dissociatives are a class of drug that I have no experience with (probably the only class of drug)

[Quail]

Tramadol is nice but I projectile vomited in the gutter on my way home from the pub.

[John Nada]

Actually, I find it funny that you make this comparison cuz I think that's one of the reasons I like it. Wet or sherm or whatever is actually one of my mains with weed and spice.That's why I like too! Ever smoked hash and spice soaked in water. WOW!:ohmy:
I don't think space is stronger than real wet tho. Also, with current incarnations out, the brand I get don't make me feel speedy or anything like that, more so stoned out my mind and weird.It depends on the brand. Some of them take a tiny pinch and it'll fuck you up. Other are weak as mersh. Same with sherm(fucking cutters:mad:), though it last way longer vs. spice(some only seem to last 30 minutes, others 3-4hours). That non-speedy shit is what I look for too(it also seems to be the weaker but longer lasting types).

Weed goes great with both of them. Strangely it seems to mellow out spice.
What I don't like and I agree it does seem to cause a sort of feind mentality. I've noticed this in myself. Not to any pronounced degree but I have noticed it. The first hit has me high as fuck. Then I can just slam 4-5 joints down like its nothing...and then I'm mad because I wish I had more. Idk, tbh, I've been trying not to do it as much and stick to weed but it's just all around me.The thing is that synthetic shit fully activate the cannabinoid receptors; THC only partially and is balanced out with CBD. Meaning your tolerance can go up so high you can't feel weed at all. And you can actually overdose, unlike weed. I once got to the point where I was smoking blunts of spice(the very strong brands) and was completely used to that trippy state of mind. 1/4 of the amount I smoked probably send most people to the hospital. Weed would make the high better but I couldn't feel weed/hash alone no matter the amount. I think it might even give withdraws. That shit creeps up on you!:(
What's being high on PCP actually like? Dissociatives are a class of drug that I have no experience with (probably the only class of drug)Not even DXM? Cus' it's WAY better than that shit. It's hard to describe, been a while and I always took it with other shit. It's like, I don't know, like you're walking on air. Kind of a floaty, detached feeling, partially anesthetized. But also a euphoric stimulant feel too. Low doses feels more like a stimulant, then kind of stoned. High doses it's full on trip, uninhibited, uncoordinated and euphoric(makes me feel like a badass). Not at all like acid or shrooms. Like it feels like you move somewhere before you do, hearing's distorted and you sense of space/time is off. Things look flatter, but it's more of a mind trip then visual. High doses also make you feel very warm, which is probably why you see those shermheads(it's pretty addictive) naked on the news. Very high doses you get stuck, can't really move and just sit there drooling. It last a while too, so you feel a little buzz the next day.
Tramadol is nice but I projectile vomited in the gutter on my way home from the pub.Yeah, I remember tramadol was surprisingly good. Kind of like a more stimulating codeine. I've read once that some brands of kratom were secretly putting destramadol(active metabolite) in it.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I've never done DXM. I do have some MXE (methoxetamine), which is supposedly a close analogue of ketamine & PCP, but I'm a little intimidated to try it. It's been floating around the grey market the last few years or so as a RC, one of the few RC's that actually interests me.

[consuming negativity]

You saw what too much DXM did to my posts. Fair warning. :rolleyes:

http://dxm.darkridge.com/faq/contents.html

start here: http://dxm.darkridge.com/faq/dxm_experience.html#toc.5


An interesting cognitive effect that is pronounced at the upper second through the third plateau is a change in self-referential thinking. Self-referential thoughts or ideas (e.g., "this statement is false") may seem both more understandable and more profound, both in the abstract and on a "gut level". Thoughts can, in fact, get quite abstract, sometimes to the point of seeming meaningless to other observers. Quite a few people have reported some sort of self-referential or abstracting aspect to thoughts, such as a "self-creating and self-invoking meme" that consists of the concept of itself. Another example is abstracting the concept of abstraction (and abstracting that, and so on and so on). There may be an overall blurring together of cause and effect, and causality may become an alien concept (I've spoken to more than one quantum physics student who enjoyed DXM).

Language becomes difficult, partly due to cognitive changes (as in the first plateau), and partly due to difficulty in coordinating the mouth and tongue motions. There may also be a direct effect on the language-producing centers of the brain. Interpreting spoken language is difficult due to sensory flanging. However, thinking in language is still fairly easy.

The curious detachment from painful or embarrassing topics of conversation that occurs at the first plateau continues and is much stronger at this plateau. Again, this is generally viewed as a positive event, although if you're not prepared to encounter and possibly discuss your deepest, darkest secrets, you might want to avoid higher doses until you're comfortable with DXM.

[John Nada]

I've never done DXM. I do have some MXE (methoxetamine), which is supposedly a close analogue of ketamine & PCP, but I'm a little intimidated to try it. It's been floating around the grey market the last few years or so as a RC, one of the few RC's that actually interests me.Sadly I've haven't tried K or MXE yet. However from what I gather MXE is weaker and more sedating than PCP. Less of a chance you'll be in a "M-hole". Real PCP isn't that bad like the propaganda claims. Strangely I think it's easier to handle than shrooms. Mellow even, but that's just me. More "I want to get FUCKED UP" kind of high, not so much like traditional psychedelics. Pretty hard to get a lethal OD, though you could get stuck and not like that. I think MXE might not be that strong or intense compared to sherm. I'd just take a bump(about the amount a snuff spoon holds 20-30mg) or half that, using whatever route you prefer.You can always take more, can't untake something.

I wonder how it vaporizes?:confused:
You saw what too much DXM did to my posts. Fair warning.Yep. I've been to the fourth plateau. Like living in Super Mario:). Still, IMO it's shit kids' jack from the pharmacy because they can't get K or sherm!;) PCP on a whole different level. Not because of danger or &quot;fear&quot;, but because it's way better. It's like comparing Ultram to Dilaudid!

Right now, took a xanax and some kava. I'll see how it turns out.:)

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I always thought it was weird that ketamine and pcp were similar drugs yet pcp was demonized as in "zomg you're going to end up buck naked and king-kong stomping the hood of a police car while you throw your own feces at passers-by and are immune to tasers" and ketamine is seen as a relatively low-risk but powerful party drug.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I've wanted to try PCP ever since seeing Training Day. "In fact, a good narcotics officer should have narcotics in his blood!" :lol:

PCP. ANGEL DUST.

[Os Cangaceiros]

"Bath salts" (which in reality are usually just RC speed analogues, nothing particularly interesting) have kind of taken the place of PCP in the public mind as the "crazy drug", though, it seems

[John Nada]

I always thought it was weird that ketamine and pcp were similar drugs yet pcp was demonized as in "zomg you're going to end up buck naked and king-kong stomping the hood of a police car while you throw your own feces at passers-by and are immune to tasers" and ketamine is seen as a relatively low-risk but powerful party drug.Like crack, it's stereotyped as a drug for minorities and poor white people. Perfect excuse from cops for shooting them. Also PCP labs lower property prices, drying K vials in your microwave not as much.
I've wanted to try PCP ever since seeing Training Day. "In fact, a good narcotics officer should have narcotics in his blood!"It true. Don't believe that UC's can't use drugs. They can.
"Bath salts" (which in reality are usually just RC speed analogues, nothing particularly interesting) have kind of taken the place of PCP in the public mind as the "crazy drug", though, it seemsUh, IMO that shit is pretty fucking crazy.;) Like a cross between meth and crack. At least cocaine and methamphetamine have been, and still are, used by humans for 100+ years. Those ones are easier on the mind and heart than bath salts. One could function normally on the oldies but goodies. Hell, dust and glass at the same damn time are easier on the mind, so I've heard.:rolleyes: But bath salts will break you a couple days in.

The guy who bit that dude's face off wasn't on bath salts, according to the toxicology. I knew it right away, because it's a pretty strong appetite suppressant.;) Too bad he got it banned.:(

That kava I typed about earlier turned out alright. Read a case study of a guy who blacked out on kava+xanax, I thought there might be some unique synergy. Nah, it's sort of like alcohol. Not bad, stronger than I thought it'd be, but it's no Restoril or R2s. Would probably go great with valerian.

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Like crack, it's stereotyped as a drug for minorities and poor white people. Perfect excuse from cops for shooting them. Also PCP labs lower property prices, drying K vials in your microwave not as much.
Here where I'm at pcp's associated with mostly white people, like meth, not so much minorities. Probably inconsequential, tho ...

PCP labs ... I was under the impression it was used at vets for, like, cat surgery, and diverted from there, or am I confusing that with something else?

[John Nada]

Here where I'm at pcp's associated with mostly white people, like meth, not so much minorities. Probably inconsequential, tho ...

PCP labs ... I was under the impression it was used at vets for, like, cat surgery, and diverted from there, or am I confusing that with something else?It's like crack(or in the past heroin) where most the users are actually white. Or meth, which is used by black people too. Might be a regional thing.

PCP was an anesthetic under the name Sernyl for human, Sernylan for veterinarian use. Maybe that's where the name "sherm" came from? That and it makes the cigarette/joint brown, like Nat Sherman cigarettes.

First Sernyl was banned because it left the patient tripping after the general anesthesia effect wore off. Dogs and cats didn't trip on it so it was used for them. Ketamine had the advantage of not depressing breathing or heart rate like PCP, but the recovery from it's effects was quicker. PCP is still schedule II(amphetamine, meth, cocaine, morphine, ect.), but not sold by any company

But since vets were getting robbed or diverting it to the streets, it was banned in the 70's. So it started getting cooked in labs. It's was sold in pill, then latter as either powder, the freebase in ether, or soaked in herbs. Used to be big in the 70's-90's(like everywhere), but they cracked down on the precursors and arrested a lot of cooks. Not as common as it used to be.:(

And whenever someone says their weed was laced with dust, I call bullshit. It's so obvious because the smell and chemical shit on it, and it cost more than weed. I wish that would happen to me.

One thing on why it might be looked down on is it smells like chemicals and it's pretty fucking strong. K is not as strong and usually pharm-grade. Like oxycodone vs. black tar heroin). Go into a K-hole you'll snap out of it in like an hour. Get stuck on sherm, you'll be high as fuck for a day or two.:ohmy:

[Os Cangaceiros]

"I didn't know you liked to get wet"


Uh, IMO that shit is pretty fucking crazy.;) Like a cross between meth and crack. At least cocaine and methamphetamine have been, and still are, used by humans for 100+ years. Those ones are easier on the mind and heart than bath salts.

I don't know, stuff like MDPV has been around since the 70's IIRC (although it languished in obscurity until just recently). I don't think that MDPV is neurotoxic (like meth), or cardiotoxic (like coke), either. It just makes people go crazy because some people have no self control and end up getting into knife fights in the street or punching a cop after 10 days of no sleep

It's yet another amusing side effect of the war on drugs, the fact that the synthetic RC market has come out with crazy fucking super drugs that chemistry grad students can cook up and make the world go insane

[M-L-C-F]

I like the Wayne Brady and Dave Chappelle parody. Then Dave hallucinates the Paul Mooney bit: "White people like Wayne Brady, because he makes... Bryant Gumbel look like Malcolm X." :laugh:

[John Nada]

"I didn't know you liked to get wet"



I don't know, stuff like MDPV has been around since the 70's IIRC (although it languished in obscurity until just recently). I don't think that MDPV is neurotoxic (like meth), or cardiotoxic (like coke), either. It just makes people go crazy because some people have no self control and end up getting into knife fights in the street or punching a cop after 10 days of no sleep

It's yet another amusing side effect of the war on drugs, the fact that the synthetic RC market has come out with crazy fucking super drugs that chemistry grad students can cook up and make the world go insane

I'm talking from experience.:grin: MDPV might not damage brain cells like meth supposedly does, but it's tendency to induce psychosis is unparalleled. And if one takes slight higher than a &quot;fun&quot; dose, you'll fell like you're about to have a heart attack.

MDPV is a reuptake inhibitor of dopamine and norepinephrine, like methylphenidate(Ritalin) or coke. However, unlike coke or meth it doesn't increase serotonin levels. The serotonin increasing effect is what makes real coke and MDMA in particular more mellow highs than (meth)amphetamine(which do too but not as strongly). Instead MDPV raises (nor)epinephrine(adrenaline) higher than dopamine, and it raises both a lot, without the serotonin to balance it out. So you get more paranoid then the others, and I wouldn't be surprised if it fucked up the heart more by constricting the arteries.

It also has this effect where the actual high lasts for an hour(like coke) but it still has stimulant effects for hours after. So you're crashing and fiending after an hour, but still can't sleep and still feel spun. It's like the worse of crack(short duration) and meth(long not fun effects). With this the usage can build up more than you'd want. And though the high only lasts a hour, it accumulates.

It also sucks for ADD, better off smoking crack.:tongue_smilie:

There was a study in mice that they found it much more addictive than cocaine. Normally I'd call it bullshit due to the flaws in such studies, but that really lines up with my experience. I swear it might be the most psychologically addictive drugs ever made. Basically the only medical use I'd see for it is narcolepsy, and amphetamines would still be safer/better.

A lot of crackheads and tweakers(no light weights, I might add) thought that shit was too crazy and hardcore, like how most stoners view crack and meth.That should tell you something

I think legalizing methamphetamine and cocaine would be better than MDPV. There was a few studies giving stimulant addicts controlled doses of amphetamine to combat cravings, like methadone. It had positive results. Britain once had maintenance therapy for cocaine addicts and that worked too.

Amphetamines' aren't so bad at therapeutic doses(5-60mg by mouth a day, 5-25mg for meth), it's when you take massive doses it's bad. Cocaine too(25-50mg), though that would be harder to control for maintenance therapy.

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It's like crack(or in the past heroin) where most the users are actually white. Or meth, which is used by black people too. Might be a regional thing.

PCP was an anesthetic under the name Sernyl for human, Sernylan for veterinarian use. Maybe that's where the name "sherm" came from? That and it makes the cigarette/joint brown, like Nat Sherman cigarettes.

First Sernyl was banned because it left the patient tripping after the general anesthesia effect wore off. Dogs and cats didn't trip on it so it was used for them. Ketamine had the advantage of not depressing breathing or heart rate like PCP, but the recovery from it's effects was quicker. PCP is still schedule II(amphetamine, meth, cocaine, morphine, ect.), but not sold by any company

But since vets were getting robbed or diverting it to the streets, it was banned in the 70's. So it started getting cooked in labs. It's was sold in pill, then latter as either powder, the freebase in ether, or soaked in herbs. Used to be big in the 70's-90's(like everywhere), but they cracked down on the precursors and arrested a lot of cooks. Not as common as it used to be.:(

And whenever someone says their weed was laced with dust, I call bullshit. It's so obvious because the smell and chemical shit on it, and it cost more than weed. I wish that would happen to me.

One thing on why it might be looked down on is it smells like chemicals and it's pretty fucking strong. K is not as strong and usually pharm-grade. Like oxycodone vs. black tar heroin). Go into a K-hole you'll snap out of it in like an hour. Get stuck on sherm, you'll be high as fuck for a day or two.:ohmy:
High for a day or two if you accidentally smoke too much? Shiiiiiit, that does not sound fun. I mean, a few hours, sure, but I like to be sober the next day, haha.


I like the Wayne Brady and Dave Chappelle parody. Then Dave hallucinates the Paul Mooney bit: "White people like Wayne Brady, because he makes... Bryant Gumbel look like Malcolm X." :laugh:
I remember distinctly the episode where we warns Dave Chappelle (paraphrasing) that the white man's gonna take his show ... when his show was taken from him, I remembered the episode and was like :-O http://youtu.be/-_2iBE-QVqk?t=9m57s

[John Nada]

High for a day or two if you accidentally smoke too much? Shiiiiiit, that does not sound fun. I mean, a few hours, sure, but I like to be sober the next day, haha.I think it's pretty fun, though I don't want to be sober the next day, or the day after that!:cool: Being a wage-slave under capitalism is no fun.:(

It reminds me of GTAV when Trevor huffs gasoline and wakes up naked in random places. Not the actual effects of either IRL, just the past out part.
I remember distinctly the episode where we warns Dave Chappelle (paraphrasing) that the white man's gonna take his show ... when his show was taken from him, I remembered the episode and was like :-O Yeah that's fucked up how they were going to make him do racist skits. He's was huge and now he's not in anything. Once he talked about how everything in show business is owned by a few white guys. Still does standup.

One joke he had was a time he took shrooms. Thought hours went by, jumped in the shower and took a nap, looked at the clock, only a few minutes. I know he really took them by that description.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I don't know, I've never really understood drugs like MDPV's (and other RC stimulants, and just stimulants in general) reputation as being insanely "more-ish". I can do a bump of <insert stimulant here> and just ride it out for a period of time, depending on what the drug in question is, and be fine. A lot of times I'll do this along with having a cup of coffee in the morning in order to help wake up and get along to my classes.

Maybe my brain is just uniquely qualified for stimulant use, I don't know.

The only thing I will say for most stimulant drugs that is a bad thing is that tolerance to them builds up very fast, faster than some other drugs I can think of.

[John Nada]

I don't know, I've never really understood drugs like MDPV's (and other RC stimulants, and just stimulants in general) reputation as being insanely "more-ish". I can do a bump of and just ride it out for a period of time, depending on what the drug in question is, and be fine.Only 10% of people who use drugs or alcohol get addicted. It's more or less the same across the board. But for reasons not fully understood that 10% develops addiction. Forgot how many get psychosis from high-doses of stimulants, it was either 1/3 or 2/3, don't remember

I don't have a problem with that type of shit(for medical use or back past the statue of limitation). I could go about my day on any of the older shit, and stop. MDPV was just weird. Closest I've come to losing control. Part of it is the short stimulant effect with the longer insomnia/paranoia. Stopped due to things starting to be like that Getto Boys' song Mind Playing Tricks On Me Not even the two big "really bad one";) did this after multiple weeks.

Also if the dose was just a little too high it'd make my heart race fast. It seemed to constrict blood flow a lot too. Harder to work out on, rather than easier with Dexedrine
A lot of times I'll do this along with having a cup of coffee in the morning in order to help wake up and get along to my classes.Eww, biker's coffee. Some like mixing that with caffeine. Taking Dexedrine with coffee just makes me feel worse than without coffee. Increased bodyload without a corresponding increased focus/euphoria.
Maybe my brain is just uniquely qualified for stimulant use, I don't know.I think the secret is to just keep the doses low and stop after a predetermined time. 50mg or under for fun, >60mg spread out a day for therapeutic reasons. Stop early enough to get some sleep. No more than 48 hours up. Big problem is staying up for days only to find you need to go to work/school and have to take even more. Sleep deprivation makes up the bulk of the craziness from that class of substances. Eat and maintain proper nutrition
The only thing I will say for most stimulant drugs that is a bad thing is that tolerance to them builds up very fast, faster than some other drugs I can think of.It's pretty quick, but I still think psychedelics and MDMA are the quickest in terms of tolerance. Can't feel them after a day or two.

At one time cocaine was thought not to have a psychological tolerance effect. It does, but not as bad as amphetamines, which the tolerance to the euphoria rises faster than the tolerance to blocking sleep. This can cause problems. Take breaks and keep the doses low as it needs to be.

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I always found opiates to have a really high rate of tolerance. As in, I can easily take 40mg of hydrocodone with no tolerance one night, and if I re-dose 40mg won't do shit (well a little but the rush isn't there), but if I don't then the next night I'll barely feel 40mg and have to go up to 50 or something. This doesn't happen to my friends, though, so it could just be me. Even the ones who have experience with opiates will give me a weird look (and maybe a concerned 'dude. ...' ) for popping 5x 10mg hydros with no tolerance to really get swervin'.

Coke, too, but I was never fond of it.

Also why can't we have any fun opiatelike RCs. I guess it's too easy for people who really want to, to just grow opium since average joe doesn't know what they look like.

[John Nada]

I always found opiates to have a really high rate of tolerance. As in, I can easily take 40mg of hydrocodone with no tolerance one night, and if I re-dose 40mg won't do shit (well a little but the rush isn't there), but if I don't then the next night I'll barely feel 40mg and have to go up to 50 or something. This doesn't happen to my friends, though, so it could just be me. Even the ones who have experience with opiates will give me a weird look (and maybe a concerned 'dude. ...' ) for popping 5x 10mg hydros with no tolerance to really get swervin'.50mg of hydro isn't the worst I've seen. In some circles hydro is considered weak stuff for noobs. Worst would be 2 grams of the big bad "boy", if you know what I mean. Even with that, it can get to a point where an amount that would kill most just makes one fell normal.
Coke, too, but I was never fond of it.Yo, there ain't been real yayo in years. It's all impure garbage now cut with levamisole(cattle dewormer). The real shit you could do for days on end. Still a tolerance, but not as bad as the other ones.
Also why can't we have any fun opiatelike RCs. The body count would be too high. Spice and bath salts would send you to the psych ward, but you'd probably live. If you overdo opioids, they send you to the morgue. Homicide charges. However there is kratom.
I guess it's too easy for people who really want to, to just grow opium since average joe doesn't know what they look like.Shhh! Don't let them know. I don't even think the experts would know.

[Sasha]

my mom was always complimenting my ex-gf with her nice poppie flowers on the balcony, didnt expect her to be the gardening type :rolleyes:

[Sasha]

tis a lot of work though for a small reward, with a whole summer of growing and bleeding she would, if we would cut it with some hash maybe enough opium to have two or three evenings of fun with the two of us. if not for the also nice flowers i doubt it would have been worth it unless you have a big garden for a serious patch.
that stuff is grown in low-wages countries for a reason i guess.
so if you want to do opiates more often than twice a year i would advise you to look at prescription stuff or get really friendly with your local chinese community, but they really dont share their stuff because the cops ignore the trade only as long as they keep it in their own community

[Futility Personified]

Just in relation to RCs, afaik most of the good shit was banned long ago. MXE was one hell of a drug, but it was crazy. It was crackheads ket, huge variations in strength too. Some of it was milder, less full on than normal ket and some of it was profoundly fucking crazy. People thinking they are furniture, talking to god, I had a profoundly Jesus-like experience where we all decided we should burn the rest. It was damned addictive, and that wasn't a bad idea. B2 was a personal favorite, though that turned out to be 40% mephedrone. Some of the new legal powders on the market have floated in my direction but i've not really found it worth getting out of bed for, plus I don't have the time these days anyway.

[John Nada]

Nah, they use special tools and techniques, otherwise it gets fucked up for almost nothing. Flowers are very pretty though. Oh well, at least the enemy freedom fighters make a living.

AFAIK Mao's Cultural Revolution and US imperialism(ironically) nearly killed the East Asian scene. Only heard of it from the other side of the land. And it's vaporized with special lamps, shisha charcoal or heated rods, not smoked like hash. Doesn't work well otherwise.

[consuming negativity]

However there is kratom.

Seconding this. It's not really crazy like real opioids, but it's cheap as fuck and completely safe if you wanna feel kinda nice while you're getting some work done or if you're chilling out with some weed. Just don't ingest the plant matter itself unless you have bowels of steel...

[Os Cangaceiros]

Also why can't we have any fun opiatelike RCs. I guess it's too easy for people who really want to, to just grow opium since average joe doesn't know what they look like.

Synthetic opioids like fentanyl are actually supposed to be relatively easy to synthesize. But synthetic opioids would be a disaster as previously mentioned, especially when you consider that the average lethal dose of fentanyl is, like, the weight of three grains of salt or something ridiculous.

Then again there are RC benzodiazepines and those are dangerous drugs in their own right, or they have the potential to be anyway...people who are interested in this subject will probably remember when phenazepam first came out and people went into crazy week-long blackouts because they were dosing themselves with pure, really strong benzodiazepine powder.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Nah, they use special tools and techniques, otherwise it gets fucked up for almost nothing. Flowers are very pretty though. Oh well, at least the enemy freedom fighters make a living.

AFAIK Mao's Cultural Revolution and US imperialism(ironically) nearly killed the East Asian scene. Only heard of it from the other side of the land. And it's vaporized with special lamps, shisha charcoal or heated rods, not smoked like hash. Doesn't work well otherwise.

What, opium? It's still around east Asia. Mao's regime put a pretty big damper on that whole deal but that happened before the CR, that was more when he basically expelled the Triads from mainland China (ostensibly socialist regimes have had a pretty big impact on vice generally-speaking, which could either be a good or bad thing depending on one's perspective). There's supposedly a pretty big heroin scene in Shanghai and elsewhere now, though.

The book "McMafia" by Misha Glenny is pretty good about the topic of east Asian crime and the Chinese government (or at least that's part of what the book's about). Supposedly some really good methamphetamine of near pharmaceutical-purity has been coming out of China and North Korea lately too, that's where Australia gets a good deal of it's meth from. I don't really like meth (it's just too dirty of a drug for me and I don't like the people associated with it) but I'd choose a rail of some DPRK-produced meth over smoking opium, LOL.

It's pretty damn rare to ever come across real, smokeable opium even in drug circles, though, at least it is in the United States. It just makes no sense to sell on the black market when it could be turned into something else that's more profitable. Most of the time when people say they have it what they're really trying to do is pass along some BTH, which is just fine for most opiate-heads anyway since heroin is stronger than morphine.

[John Nada]

What, opium? It's still around east Asia. Mao's regime put a pretty big damper on that whole deal but that happened before the CR, that was more when he basically expelled the Triads from mainland China (ostensibly socialist regimes have had a pretty big impact on vice generally-speaking, which could either be a good or bad thing depending on one's perspective). There's supposedly a pretty big heroin scene in Shanghai and elsewhere now, though.There is a heroin scene(unfortunately) yes, but AFAIK opium is only smoked by the hill tribes in Southeast Asia and in the Middle East.

In China by the time the Communists took over, I think that 1/5 of the male population was on heroin. It was cheaper than opium, and promoted by imperialist like Japan.
The book "McMafia" by Misha Glenny is pretty good about the topic of east Asian crime and the Chinese government (or at least that's part of what the book's about). Supposedly some really good methamphetamine of near pharmaceutical-purity has been coming out of China and North Korea lately too, that's where Australia gets a good deal of it's meth from. I don't really like meth (it's just too dirty of a drug for me and I don't like the people associated with it) but I'd choose a rail of some DPRK-produced meth over smoking opium, LOL.Meth of really high purity can be acquired in North America already. Not as good as it used to be, but probably comparable to China and DPRK(supposedly). The precursors probably come from China though. A byproduct of Dengs' counterrevolution.

I hate tweeker's too. Can't stand how sketchy the meth scene is either. But meth itself isn't that dirty. "Real meth" is smoother then Dexedrine. But it's gotten harder to get. It can be prescribed as Desoxyn, though good luck getting a doctor to give that to someone for ADD.

However, I'm suspicious of how big North Korean drugs are, if they exist at all. The US likes to accuse DPRK of everything under the sun. There are legal reasons for doing this under international law. Kind of like how Cuba, Venesula and Bolivia are considered "drug havens" yet Mexico, Colombia and Honduras are "making great strides against drugs":rolleyes:

A good book is The Politics Of Heroin. It describes US involvement in the heroin trade to "fight communism". It has been updated since the 60's when it was written off as conspiracy theories, up to early 2000's, when the author got tired of updating the US's continued involvement with reactionary heroin traffickers.
It's pretty damn rare to ever come across real, smokeable opium even in drug circles, though, at least it is in the United States. It just makes no sense to sell on the black market when it could be turned into something else that's more profitable. Most of the time when people say they have it what they're really trying to do is pass along some BTH, which is just fine for most opiate-heads anyway since heroin is stronger than morphine.Opium itself can be very profitable. It's just not as addictive as heroin. Opium doesn't smoke that quickly like heroin. It's kind of something that's taken slowly, vs. the "wam, bam, thank you mam'" of heroin.

I've heard of that whole "it's not heroin, it's opium" bullshit before. It doesn't really look like opium, doesn't taste like opium, doesn't' smell like opium, kinda feels like opium but not really. but most don't know that. Which is too bad. Opium is a more stimulating high, and taste and smells great too.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Meth is a dirty drug where I live because the large majority of it is synthesized locally by thwacked out psychos

[John Nada]

Meth is a dirty drug where I live because the large majority of it is synthesized locally by thwacked out psychos

Yuck, that shake and bake shit. Hate bad meth. Real meth(outside of Desoxyn) hasn't existed since mid-2000's. However only halfway decent meth is from Mexico, and it's half MSM now. Would like to try some of that yaba from the United Wa State Army.

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[snip]
It's pretty damn rare to ever come across real, smokeable opium even in drug circles, though, at least it is in the United States. It just makes no sense to sell on the black market when it could be turned into something else that's more profitable. Most of the time when people say they have it what they're really trying to do is pass along some BTH, which is just fine for most opiate-heads anyway since heroin is stronger than morphine.
Does .... does BTH smell like incense/flowery when it's smoked? Wondering if the 'opium' that comes around this area sometimes (rarely) is really tar.

[Quail]

Seconding this. It's not really crazy like real opioids, but it's cheap as fuck and completely safe if you wanna feel kinda nice while you're getting some work done or if you're chilling out with some weed. Just don't ingest the plant matter itself unless you have bowels of steel...

I've seen this stuff for sale but never tried it. Is it worth it?

[Quail]

I've seen this stuff for sale but never tried it. Is it worth it?

Looks like I'll find out soon... I went to a head shop today after a friend mentioned you can get something with valium-like effects legally, and asked about stuff with a sedative effect. The guy offered me a valium-like research chemical and kratom, so I chose the plant that people have been using for ages. I have a hard time trusting "research chemicals" and I don't want to end up in a situation where I am relying on them for sleep or anxiety relief. I just read that kratom has some stimulant properties though... So I guess I'll just have to see how it makes me feel.

[John Nada]

Does .... does BTH smell like incense/flowery when it's smoked? Wondering if the 'opium' that comes around this area sometimes (rarely) is really tar.

Not at all, it reeks of vinegar, tastes like shit and tiny amounts fuck you up with a intense, morphine-like high. However sometimes red rock dragon's blood incense is sold as opium or used to cut tar to mimic it.

Real opium does have a floral, sometimes nutty, taste and smell when vaporized. It has a smell of fresh cut grass when very fresh before it's dried. A warning, most pictures I've seen online look more like heroin or dried up poppy tea than real opium. It looks more like taffy or caramel, breaks up into a powder when raw and dry, usually not like black tar and isn't red in color(though it can be red, usually isn't). It has a bitter taste, followed by a spicy sensation, when put directly in the mouth. It's potency is usually about 1/10-20 of smoked pure heroin(though few have tried this).

Opium doesn't work good smoked, it meant to be vaporized. Best would be to get/make an opium pipe(which is hard to get). It's pre-heated and placed near the hole on the bowl. Then it's held over a special lamp(hard to get again) to vaporize it at just the right temperature, or a shisha coal is held over it with tongs.

A cheaper method is to hot-knife it, or even better stick it on a pin, pre-heat it, and touch it with a heated rod or wire, inhaling with a straw. Foal and meth pipes work too, though it tends to burn in the meth pipe and aluminum foal ruins the great taste of it and is harder to let it drip down and spread over a large area for more vapors than other things.

The effects are different from other opioids. It's a more stimulating high, closest I could compare it to would be oxycodone or Subutex, but different. The other alkaloids and organic compounds balance the morphine out, kind of like the difference between real weed and Marinol. In lower doses you might not even feel high like you'd expect., unless you smoke some weed afterwards.

The ashes left afterwards should be saved. For some reason half the morphine stays behind, while the other alkaloids that give a stimulant effect vaporize with the other half of the morphine. This can be cooked up and re-vaporized/swallowed later, though it'll be a more potent "fuck you up" morphine high. It's considered very ghetto among some opium smokers, like smoking pipe resin.
Looks like I'll find out soon... I went to a head shop today after a friend mentioned you can get something with valium-like effects legally, and asked about stuff with a sedative effect. The guy offered me a valium-like research chemical and kratom, so I chose the plant that people have been using for ages. I have a hard time trusting "research chemicals" and I don't want to end up in a situation where I am relying on them for sleep or anxiety relief. I just read that kratom has some stimulant properties though... So I guess I'll just have to see how it makes me feel.From what I gather it's a stimulating opioid high. Ironically it's banned in most of the countries it's traditionally used. It's regarded as safer and less dangerous than opium, is more socially acceptable and is used treatment for opium addiction too. I can't help but wonder if it was banned because the imperialist didn't want any competition.

Strangely I was thinking of picking some up too. Always plan on it, but end up buying spice instead.:tongue_smilie:. Let us know how it turns out!:)

Valerian root and kava are the only natural things even close to Valium(besides alcohol and the banned GHB, of course) that I know of. The problem is valerian is weak and smell like shit(one of the worst smelling things I've smelled), and kava just kind of feels like getting drunk.

[Sasha]

i always got pretty nicely high by breaking the opium down into small chunks (and yes, it shatters as a hard resin, if it crumbles easily or is tarlike its not opium but hash or heroin) putting it in a metal screened pipe and cover with a layer of hash crumbs, you then light the hash which in turn vaporises the opium.
but smoking it with an electric vaporiser meant for hash works as well, sure there are more perfect ways to smoke it but since how rarely you get it its not worth the investment/effort.

[consuming negativity]

I've seen this stuff for sale but never tried it. Is it worth it?

Depends what you're looking for in effects, what quality of stuff you're getting, and how much they're wanting you to pay for it. The internet seems to think that headshop kratom is a bit overpriced for the quality, but I've never actually tried it myself so I have no idea. Could just be people like me repeating data that they can't verify, and so I am also interested in hearing you report back with results.

General information you can use to help research/try shit:


Purchasing kratom:

Red vein kratom feels a lot like taking painkillers and it's very calming. If you want to feel an opioid-like high, be calmed down, and/or chill out for a while, this is what you want.

White vein or "Maeng Da" kratom (they're different but similar, with Maeng Da being better) is very stimulating, but not in the way caffeine is. It's euphoric and almost calming, but gives you energy. It just makes you feel... on top of things. It feels wonderful, really, and I say that as a person who struggles with anxiety.

Green vein is somewhere in the middle of those and, in my experience, tends to be best used in conjunction with some red vein to help keep you awake. By itself it just seems like it's trying too hard to be red or white vein and it just falls flat of both. But that's just my opinion.

As for places... Borneo, Thai, Sumatra, [insert cheesy-and-useless name here] tend not to matter too much, although the Bornean red vein stuff gives me crazy nausea and the best I ever had was a red vein Thai. But, you know, each vendor has their own selection. I don't know RevLeft's policy on giving out links and such, but I'd be willing to show you a few vendors who I think might ship to your country if you find yourself interested.

Ingesting Kratom:

When taking it, don't eat beforehand for at least 2-3 hours, and be sure not to eat anything with meat in it for at least like 4-5 hours before. About 45 minutes to an hour after ingesting it, you can eat a few crackers or something to keep your digestive system stimulated. I also like to have a cup of applesauce. And this also helps to ward off the nausea; you can also try taking a Benadryl, except in the UK Benadryl doesn't have diphenhydramine in it, so what you'll actually have to buy is sleep aid medication with "diphenhydramine HCL" in it. Alternatively, something like meclizine or any other OTC nausea medicine can help.

For taking it, people will say to eat it or "toss and wash" it, but honestly, when I eat it it turns my bowels into Hell for the rest of the day afterward. Plus, I don't think it's very good to be ingesting large amounts of unwashed plant matter, so you might want to make it into a tea. When making the tea, I boil it twice... first using about a cup of water, straining it out once it's a bit more concentrated, then re-doing it for half as long using half as much water. Takes about 20 minutes to prepare. Just be careful you don't overheat it, because the kratom plant is hydrophobic, which means it'll boil over if you aren't careful. You gotta be there ready to stir it and let the steam go out until you find the best simmer temperature.

As for dosage, this varies a lot. 3-5 grams is a nice starter dose where you can sort of gauge the quality and be sure that you won't end up puking (from taking too much). And, if you dose every day, your tolerance will generally rise (or, at least, mine does) by between .5-1 grams per use. You'll find that it sort of self-regulates you from taking it too much because in a week of using it daily you'll be taking 2-3 times as much of the plant and you'll go through it way too quickly.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

I've no experience with this stuff but I'm interested now. Looking at a couple forums though I see people mentioning hair loss of all things, I can't imagine using it regularly but still kind of weird. I might swing by the headshop tonight I guess.

[Quail]

Thanks for the info :) I got "Maeng Da" kratom and it was £5 for 3g. According to the package 1.5g is good for a dose, which is what I've taken today. (I generally find that the packaging of natural legal highs makes false and slightly outrageous claims about the quality of the product, but I am pretty sensitive to most substances and I don't want to get really high or anything, I just want to chill a bit.) I drank it mixed into a cup of rooibos tea, and it didn't taste very nice, especially when I got to the bottom and swallowed the plant matter. So... if it does anything, I'll let you know.

[John Nada]

i always got pretty nicely high by breaking the opium down into small chunks (and yes, it shatters as a hard resin, if it crumbles easily or is tarlike its not opium but hash or heroin) putting it in a metal screened pipe and cover with a layer of hash crumbs, you then light the hash which in turn vaporises the opium.
but smoking it with an electric vaporiser meant for hash works as well, sure there are more perfect ways to smoke it but since how rarely you get it its not worth the investment/effort.Shit, in North America real hash is nearly as hard to get as opium.:( You'd have to make it yourself(not hard though). It's around in some states for medical/almost legal use, but hash oil/wax is more common. Too bad, I like hashish better than hash oil(don't like the butane taste), though I've yet to try wax/shatter hash. It seems to be the opposite situation in Europe, though I heard the hash wasn't that strong like it is when it turns up in North America.

My search for local kratom was a failure. Smoke shops are too paranoid to carry it after that bath salt fiasco. It's all up to you now Quail!:)

I did manage to pickup some whippits instead. WahWahWahWahWah!:drool:. I just love that bubblegum taste of N2O.:thumbup1:

[Sasha]

Yeah hash oil is illigal here and really hard to find. Good hash you can find in any coffeeshop though.
No2 is legal as a propellant for professional whipped cream makers so easy to get but never floated my boat. Too much good drugs available here to mess around with improvised stuff.

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I like nitrous

[John Nada]

Yeah hash oil is illigal here and really hard to find. Good hash you can find in any coffeeshop though.Lucky you.:glare: Are the right-wing douchbags still trying to close down the coffee shops(pretty stupid with how it's going in the US and other countries)? It was always my childhood dream to go to them. I thought that the US would only legalize it on the eve of the revolution for awhile. At least now I can just drive to Colorado or Washington(assuming I'm not already there):thumbup:, even if I'm stuck in a more backwards ass state..

It's strange, hash is legal for medical, however hash oil is more common. Problem is it can't be extracted with solvents. They get around that by claiming to use alcohol or CO2 instead, which may or may not be true. Shit on the street is rare in all forms, though when hashish turns up it's always been fire.
No2 is legal as a propellant for professional whipped cream makers so easy to get but never floated my boat. Too much good drugs available here to mess around with improvised stuff.Oh God, they use nitrogen oxide(NO2) instead of nitrous oxide(N2O). Whip cream there must burn a hole in your mouth and give you cancer.;) Just fucking with you, a common mistake.:).

Honestly, N2O would be my favorite if it wasn't so short-acting and expensive overall. I'd say it stands on it's own two feet as a high(even if I don't!), not like improvised desperate shit. like glue/gasoline/paint. If there was a planet that was 80% N2O and 20%O2 I'd pack my bags and blast off. It's discoverer named it heaven's air, and I agree. Best is taking a big bong rip and a nitrous hit right after. It goes great with everything and is great on its own too. There is a lot of garbage brands though that suck, though the quality has picked up lately. It's a good thing I haven't found a tank yet, that would be bad for my B12 levels and what little money I don't have.

[Lily Briscoe]

Is anybody actually posting in this thread even stoned? Because I can't even read this shit, it's that boring :(

[John Nada]

Is anybody actually posting in this thread even stoned? Because I can't even read this shit, it's that boring :(

Get better shit then:grin:

Does xanax and nitrous count(guess it's turned into high on whatever, instead of just stoned)?

[Leftsolidarity]

Is anybody actually posting in this thread even stoned? Because I can't even read this shit, it's that boring :(

I'm stoned as fuck. I thought it was an interesting discussion.

Though I'm too stoned to remember anything I read now. Back to Netflix.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

I'm always stoned. I had a hard time getting up this morning. I wanna go walk around in the woods but it's raining. Work blows

[consuming negativity]

I didn't know it was possible to be bored and stoned at the same time. :ohmy:

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Only if you haven't smoked enough

[Sasha]

Are the right-wing douchbags still trying to close down the coffee shops?

all but, after failing to get the membership idiocy and the ban of non-dutch citizens from the coffeeshops implemented in the whole country (its now only in the border regions in the south illegal to sell to tourists) their new plan is to put any weed with an thc content over 15% classified as an illegal harddrug (like hash oil already is).
even though everyone says it is complete nonsense, wont be enforcible and exactly because of the gray area of supply to the coffeeshops probbaly will not stand in court as you cant force coffeeshops to trade with criminals and then expect them to be able to check thc contents etc.

but on the good side a bunch of weedgrowers who want to force a new approach by principally doing everything to the rules as it should be if growing was legal (they pay income tax, pay for their electricty etc etc) got acquitted today (or at least, they got convicted as guilty but didnt get any punishment as the judge ruled that the government was wrong on their rules when it comes to growing weed) which opens a new intresting front against the prohibition.
but i think shit will only get really room to move forward when the current justice & safety cabinet-minister will finaslly be forced to fuck off/ the cabinet falls.

[Sasha]

http://www.artfido.com/blog/artist-conducts-experiment-where-he-draws-himself-while-on-different-drugs-and-alcohol/

[Lily Briscoe]

MvUmjrcNn5o

[Os Cangaceiros]

http://www.artfido.com/blog/artist-conducts-experiment-where-he-draws-himself-while-on-different-drugs-and-alcohol/

I liked the Adderall one.

[consuming negativity]

I liked the Adderall one.

that one was definitely the most interesting but i lol'd hard at the 2-3 that ended up as empty, shitty scribbles

also lol @ cephalexin or buspar counting as "on drugs"

[Lily Briscoe]

My favorite is definitely the "morphine IV" one (not because it's "so morphine" or something; it's just really cool-looking). I went through the list twice trying to find MDMA, but there isn't one, which is kinda surprising because drawing on MDMA is ridiculously fun. No idea how you'd do it on salvia, though...


also lol @ cephalexin or buspar counting as "on drugs"

Yeah, same with Abilify and trazadone.

[John Nada]

that one was definitely the most interesting but i lol'd hard at the 2-3 that ended up as empty, shitty scribbles

also lol @ cephalexin or buspar counting as "on drugs"

All the not fun ones he did suck IME, but he's on a mission for the sake of science and art.

I liked the scribble ones too. It looks like he was really on them(PCP, DMT, huffing). Will he draw on jenkem, snake venom, AIDS meds and krokadil someday?:lol:

Thanks for reminding me of kratom. Finally got around to try it. By God Marx, it works! Almost feels like tramadol or codeine. I could see how they tried to pass off destramadol as a kratom extract. Not as good as poppy pods and would be cheaper to get "real shit" compared to smoke shop prices, but pretty good nonetheless.

Worked best chewed like tobacco(the traditional way), but it came in powdered form so this wasn't as effect as it should have been(caked up in the gums). They also make something like lean with kratom in Thailand, I would like to do that someday if I get some sizzup.

[consuming negativity]

All the not fun ones he did suck IME, but he's on a mission for the sake of science and art.

I liked the scribble ones too. It looks like he was really on them(PCP, DMT, huffing). Will he draw on jenkem, snake venom, AIDS meds and krokadil someday?:lol:

Thanks for reminding me of kratom. Finally got around to try it. By God Marx, it works! Almost feels like tramadol or codeine. I could see how they tried to pass off destramadol as a kratom extract. Not as good as poppy pods and would be cheaper to get "real shit" compared to smoke shop prices, but pretty good nonetheless.

Worked best chewed like tobacco(the traditional way), but it came in powdered form so this wasn't as effect as it should have been(caked up in the gums). They also make something like lean with kratom in Thailand, I would like to do that someday if I get some sizzup.

Really? It worked best to chew the powder? How long did you do so? I've avoided doing it specifically because I didn't want it to get caked up in my teeth (and because oral hygiene is hard enough to maintain as it is).

[Os Cangaceiros]

My favorite is definitely the "morphine IV" one (not because it's "so morphine" or something; it's just really cool-looking). I went through the list twice trying to find MDMA, but there isn't one, which is kinda surprising because drawing on MDMA is ridiculously fun. No idea how you'd do it on salvia, though...


Yeah, same with Abilify and trazadone.

Isn't Trazadone a pretty strong hypnotic? I've never taken it personally but it's my understanding that it'll make you ready for sleep pretty fast.

[Lily Briscoe]

It's an old antidepressant that's prescribed off label at low doses as a sleep aid. It's not like it makes you high or something, though, just super tired, so I don't quite see the point.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I often have a lot of difficulty getting to sleep so I'd probably like to try it.

Some things that are supposedly made for insomnia (like Ambien) I don't get much out of, though, so who knows.

[Lily Briscoe]

Some things that are supposedly made for insomnia (like Ambien) I don't get much out of, though, so who knows.

Trazadone is the only thing I've ever taken for sleep that's consistently worked. Most bizarre, fucked up nightmares I've ever had in my life, though...

[consuming negativity]

Try benadryl (diphenhydramine)? I have quite a bit of tolerance to it but 100mg will still put me out if I'm tired beforehand.

[Sasha]

If i have insomnia i take tamazepan, one of the few drugs i actually have to be carefull around. Mhmm tamazapan and weed...

Went out last night to a really nice drum and bass party after an intense week of working. Did a really small bit of mdma but mostly weed and vodka, it was great

[Os Cangaceiros]

I've used DPH quite a bit for insomnia, it's not bad for an OTC drug but it's efficiency is somewhat short-lived. I take Nyquil more frequently as far as OTC drugs go.

I've taken temazepam before too, although I didn't think it was that great & that's not the kind of drug I'd ever want to do on a regular basis.

Drinking lots of booze or smoking large amounts of marijuana usually does the trick, too.

[John Nada]

Really? It worked best to chew the powder? How long did you do so? I've avoided doing it specifically because I didn't want it to get caked up in my teeth (and because oral hygiene is hard enough to maintain as it is).It's traditionally chewed like tobacco, so I figured I'd try that. I carefully pulled off the outer shell of the capsule and poured it in my cheek like chewing tobacco. The difference being that I swallowed the spit, and leaf powder when it seemed like it was done. Seemed to kick in quicker and felt stronger. Problem was that it stuck to my gums like glue and sometimes didn't release the alkaloids unless I scrapped it out and swallowed it. I'd like to try fresh whole leaves someday.

The gums and under the tongue bypasses the liver and gets in your bloodstream quicker, works for a lot of stuff.
Isn't Trazadone a pretty strong hypnotic? I've never taken it personally but it's my understanding that it'll make you ready for sleep pretty fast.For me, it wasn't anything special, though I'm unusually resistant to depressants. However other people claim it's good for sleep, but it's not a fun feeling. It does cause vivid dreams, even stronger than Benadryl.
If i have insomnia i take tamazepan, one of the few drugs i actually have to be carefull around. Mhmm tamazapan and weed...Temazepam is probably the best sleeping pill that's still legal in some countries by prescription. Feels good, 8 hours sleep and wake up refreshed. It doesn't suppress REM sleep as much as the other ones too. A little weak potency though, I take 30-60mg at least, at that level and higher it's the best.

Flunitrazepam is better, but isn't as easy to get. It's got a stigma, but is actually a decent high.

Ambien felt kind of trippy. Actually it was ok, not as good as benzos.

But right now I'll have to be content with Xanax. Quantitatively better than Restoril at lower doses(ie .5mg Xanax vs 20mg Restoril), but not quite as good a high as the other two benzos at their right doses. Seem to have a tolerance to it, which sucks. Still much better than trazadone, Benadryl, Seroquel and shit like them.

[Lily Briscoe]

Mushroom season is in full swing here. I saw the biggest patch of amanitas I've ever seen in my life this afternoon, it was pretty cool.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Are those actually good, psychoactively-speaking?

A. muscaria grows everywhere where I live but I've never actually tried them.

[Lily Briscoe]

They're kind of toxic. I know some massive, massive mycology nerds and have never met anyone who has eaten them, so I get the impression there is kind of a general consensus that they're not worth fucking with.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I've harvested a bunch of them before, and I have no doubt that they're actually a. muscaria (which to me are quite distinctive, with the blood-red caps w/ white warts, compared to the poisonous species that they're supposedly mistaken for sometimes), but I've had trouble finding much trust-worthy info on the internet regarding dosage or even what the high is supposed to feel like, so I've never really bothered with them.

I don't really know much about them except for some factoids that everyone seems to know, like that shaman in Siberia eat them in religious ceremonies, and the Norse used to eat them etc

[Lily Briscoe]

Yeah amanita muscaria is what I was talking about (people here just refer to them as 'amanitas' and the other locally-occurring species in the genus by their, generally really cool, slang names, e.g. Death caps, panther caps, destroying angels).

I remember somebody telling me once that Siberian shamans used to follow around reindeer that fed on amanitas in order to collect their piss, which they would later drink, because the toxins were broken down in digestion but the psychoactive compounds passed through to the urine, or something. This person then proceeded to explain that this is the origin of Christmas. SCIENCE

[consuming negativity]

Hunting mushrooms seems dangerous as fuck when you can get a spore syringe for like 10 bucks.

[Lily Briscoe]

It isn't at all if you know what you're doing. Finding them is half the fun anyway

[M-L-C-F]

I'd like to quote Les Stroud (Survivorman) on mushrooms: "If you're wrong, you're dead." So I'd personally never fuck with picking them, unless I'm completely 100% sure that they're the right ones to eat. It isn't worth the risk to me. I'm also more talking about food wise. But the same goes with you mushroomheads, and your special mushrooms. :lol:

[Lily Briscoe]

So I'd personally never fuck with picking them, unless I'm completely 100% sure that they're the right ones to eat.
Er, yeah, 'don't eat them if you're not sure what they are' is pretty basic stuff :p

[Os Cangaceiros]

Mushroom harvesting is not dangerous at all as long as you possess basic identification skills. It's not some mysterious science known only to learned mystics, LOL

In fact, as far as recreational drug use goes, it's probably a lot safer than snorting some kind of mysterious powder or swallowing some kind of mysterious blotter...

[John Nada]

I'd like to quote Les Stroud (Survivorman) on mushrooms: &quot;If you're wrong, you're dead.&quot; So I'd personally never fuck with picking them, unless I'm completely 100% sure that they're the right ones to eat. It isn't worth the risk to me. I'm also more talking about food wise. But the same goes with you mushroomheads, and your special mushrooms. :lol:The right kind of shrooms have a very distinct look. Fly agaric(amanitas) look just like the Super Mario mushrooms. They might fuck you up, but aren't deadly. However, they're in the same genus as death caps and destroying angels, which don't look too much like) it(not like Super Mario ones) but similar. If you eat those two, you're fucked. A common mistake, particularly if you looking for other amanitas species for food(they're a popular dish in some countries).

Psilocybe cubensis bruise blue, white stem, and brownish/yellowish cap. You'd recognize it if you've seen it before.

I was just think, has anyone hunted for magic truffles in the wild? Never of any doing that really.

[Os Cangaceiros]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_semilanceata

has a pretty big range in the wild. I know of people in the pacific northwest who've gone hunting for those in the wild before.

[Lily Briscoe]

Dude, a friend and I got chased off somebody's farm while collecting liberty caps a couple years ago! They grow all over the place in pastures around the snohomish river this time of year. I like these better: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_baeocystis

[consuming negativity]

mushrooms are so fucking cool

not like drug-wise but just as a life form

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

mushrooms are so fucking cool

not like drug-wise but just as a life form

if I were ever going to grow something inside it would be mushrooms. I watched a video years ago and was blown away by how fucking neat they are.

[Illegalitarian]

We have cubensis in the south part of Tennessee. There's nothing like taking a road trip to the Mississippi border and hiking up in the hills, gathering what we can before the season is over (so to speak, I think they grow year around except for winter and possibly spring).




It's been too long

[Illegalitarian]

In other news, head colds suck, and chemdog kush seems to be a rather decent treatment. Hopefully I don't run out until this shit is done, its the only medication that really makes me feel better :<

[Os Cangaceiros]

mushrooms are so fucking cool

not like drug-wise but just as a life form

Drug-wise too.

[Lily Briscoe]

Smoked and went for a short hike a little while ago. Seriously mushrooms everywhere (and it's now pouring down rain, so there's only gonna be more). Took some photos:
Puffballs:

http://i.imgur.com/5DUB1NK.jpg

Russula:

http://i.imgur.com/bpiyOuI.jpg

Zeller's bolete:

http://i.imgur.com/ezu5afI.jpg

Waxy cap:

http://i.imgur.com/Xt1aA9L.jpg

Inky caps:

http://i.imgur.com/fITksoT.jpg

Slippery jacks:

http://i.imgur.com/ozq8RRP.jpg

Sulfur tufts:

http://i.imgur.com/wz4myO9.jpg

You know what it is (and something's been munching on it):

http://i.imgur.com/4Bdv6Vz.jpgThese aren't even all the ones I saw, but I didn't feel like stopping every two seconds to get a picture of everything. The russula is definitely the coolest looking imo (it was pretty big too).

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

Does anyone else wake up in a shit mood the morning after smoking heavily the night before? I used to always wake up with a clear head and feel great, now I wake up with a nasty headache and I'm just a total asshole for about 30 minutes. I wonder if im grinding my teeth while I'm asleep or something

[Lord Testicles]

mushrooms are so fucking cool

not like drug-wise but just as a life form

+1 I find their symbiotic relationship with plants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycorrhiza) to be particularly interesting.


Does anyone else wake up in a shit mood the morning after smoking heavily the night before? I used to always wake up with a clear head and feel great, now I wake up with a nasty headache and I'm just a total asshole for about 30 minutes. I wonder if im grinding my teeth while I'm asleep or something

I don't wake up in a shit mood but if I smoked just before going to bed I generally find it harder to get up and I feel a bit groggy.

[BIXX]

Regarding mushrooms they are all over the place where I live. Was considering finding some to sell. But I did see something that looked like a fungus that I wasnt sure about that I thought maybe you guys could help me identify, unfortunately Tapatalk is an asshole and won't let me post pictures.

[Lily Briscoe]

I might be able to tell you, depending on the photo.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

I giant cat eyes atm, kinda badass

[Lily Briscoe]

lol what

[Os Cangaceiros]

Marijuana is now legal in Oregon and Alaska, in case anyone hasn't heard.

Oh, and Washington DC LOL

[Sasha]

Lol, glad I'm not the one who needs to enforce the smoking ban at my work tonight, sold out ub40 show, tis a giant hotbox here. Even I am in half a mind to light up as my colleagues clearly gave up setting foot in the room ages ago...

[Sasha]

Marijuana is now legal in Oregon and Alaska, in case anyone hasn't heard.

Oh, and Washington DC LOL

Can't the Senate not still veto the Washington dc one? Good luck getting that one past them...

[Os Cangaceiros]

Yeah Congress has oversight over DC laws.

They can enjoy continuing to fight their losing war, though.

[Lily Briscoe]

Hosting the 6th annual Skanksgiving this Saturday. It's a lot like Thanksgiving but with friends instead of family, far weirder food (potlatch style), and significantly more drunkenness and smoking of the weed. In full communism, Skanksgiving will be an international holiday.

Also, check it out:

http://i.imgur.com/oMdaGg3.jpg

Cyans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_cyanescens)! :grin: