Communist satanist?

[Soviet solider]

Hello everyone I'm soviet solider I am a young person testing out non capitalistic ideas ( I done with capitalism !) I am also a satanist ( theistic ) but I've read that Marx and Lenin did not approve of religion .Is this true ? Just wanted the reason being I'm experimenting with 2 opposites communism and fascism . Sorry if that angers you. I'm just figuring out which one I belong. To . So I decide to join forums for each to compare rev left for communism and iron batch for fascism to compare I hope i haven't offended you ( religiously or otherwise ) oh and what do fascists think of religion?

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

if you're flirting with fascism then you'd best fuck off unless you denounce it.

marx and engels didn't approve of religion in general and its true that most religion doesn't mix well with communist theory in a general and broad sense (you do get some decent religious communists though, its a grey area).

however, it just so happens that, as far as religions go, satanism is generally a shitty individualist doctrine that appeals to selfish, self-obsessed people and is essentially the antithesis of communism.

my advice to you is to stop being a satanist, stop flirting with fascism and sort your head out. religions are generally irrational but all of the strands of satanism i've seen take the cake, well and truly.

[Tim Cornelis]

Without trying to offend you, you sound like a young teenager seeking to be rebellious, and I assume you are, hence the flirtation with Satanism, communism, and fascism. You say you read that Marx and Lenin denounced religion which also suggests you haven't yourself read any Marxist or communist literature, and presumably your image of communism is equal to (the popular perception of )Stalinism -- thinking the USSR was a communist state and dictatorship and nonetheless supporting it (because you like the Soviet image, the militarism, the style, the Soviet culture). Someone holding such beliefs is called a Tankie and are not taken seriously by anyone.

[DOOM]

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[The Intransigent Faction]

If you're really interested in getting the full spectrum of the revolutionary left, as a Satanist, you might find Mikhail Bakunin interesting. Here's a small excerpt from "God and the State":


But here steps in Satan, the eternal rebel, the first freethinker and the emancipator of worlds. He makes man ashamed of his bestial ignorance and obedience; he emancipates him, stamps upon his brow the seal of liberty and humanity, in urging him to disobey and eat of the fruit of knowledge.

[Brotto Rühle]

Satanists aren't real. They're just people trying to be edgy.

[Thirsty Crow]

Satanists aren't real. They're just people trying to be edgy.
Eh, not really. There are people who are believers and practitioners of some hybrid form of occultism that falls under that category.

[Sinister Intents]

Brad said what I wanted to say :(

I used to consider myself a satanist because people in high school assumed I was one, I've only read bits of the Satanic Bible, and I didn't particularly car for it because of the clash between communism and objectivist philosophy.

Though for the hell of it I say "Dear Satan!" And other things like that. Maybe we could revision Satanism using Stirner

[Wonton Carter]

If we were discussing LaVeyan Satanism, I would say it's not compatible at all. Having read the Satanic Bible and the Church of Satan's website, I can say that LaVeyan Satanism and Communism don't mix all that well, since LaVeyan Satanism is basically Objectivism with silly hats.

However, from what I understand, Theistic Satanism is more tuned to the individual's practitioner's ideals, so it could be more compatible, in theory.

Honestly, if you're looking at both Fascism AND Communism, then you're just looking for extreme political ideas for the sake of being edgy, really. Satanism would have nothing to do with it. I believe it was here that I read that a communist would become a fascist simply because he did not understand the reasoning behind his positions, and simply wanted extreme positions.

[Rugged Collectivist]

I'm going to go against my better judgement and assume this isn't a troll post.


Hello everyone I'm soviet solider I am a young person testing out non capitalistic ideas ( I done with capitalism !)

Good.


I've read that Marx and Lenin did not approve of religion .Is this true ?Yes.


Just wanted the reason being I'm experimenting with 2 opposites communism and fascism . Sorry if that angers you. I'm just figuring out which one I belong. To . So I decide to join forums for each to compare rev left for communism and iron batch for fascism to compare I hope i haven't offended you ( religiously or otherwise ) It seems to me that you don't really know what either of these things are. Why don't you tell us why you're "done with capitalism"?


oh and what do fascists think of religion?Historical fascist regimes generally forged alliances with religious authorities. Modern neo-fascists/neo-nazis are a mixed bag. I don't think many of them would welcome a satanist with open arms.


however, it just so happens that, as far as religions go, satanism is generally a shitty individualist doctrine that appeals to selfish, self-obsessed people and is essentially the antithesis of communism.

That's LeVeyan satanism, which is atheistic. They said they were a theistic satanist. It's not an area I'm familiar with and I don't care enough to give it a thorough googling but some theistic satanists (called luciferians I think) revere satan as the being that defied god and brought the gift of knowledge to humanity. It's irrational, but as far as deities go they could've picked a worse one.

EDIT: because I took forever writing this.


Honestly, if you're looking at both Fascism AND Communism, then you're just looking for extreme political ideas for the sake of being edgy, really. Satanism would have nothing to do with it. I believe it was here that I read that a communist would become a fascist simply because he did not understand the reasoning behind his positions, and simply wanted extreme positions.

I don't think this is fair. Most random people you encounter on a day to day basis couldn't adequately describe the differences between communism and fascism. These are fringe ideas that people hear about in history class and then forget. When someone becomes disillusioned with mainstream politics they go searching for alternatives. alternatives they don't fully understand yet. I doubt they're trying to be edgy. Just looking for answers.

[Brotto Rühle]

Eh, not really. There are people who are believers and practitioners of some hybrid form of occultism that falls under that category.
Every group has it's batshits. Satanists, on the whole, are edgy try hards.

[Sinister Intents]

Every group has it's batshits. Satanists, on the whole, are edgy try hards.

I've met satanists who weren't edgy assholes.

[Brotto Rühle]

I've met satanists who weren't edgy assholes.
The fact that they are Satanists.....makes them edgy assholes.

[Thirsty Crow]

Every group has it's batshits. Satanists, on the whole, are edgy try hards.
Might be. Though, it's weird that, at least in my opinion, these occult practitioners aren't batshits at all, in comparison to that other folk in satanism.

[Soviet solider]

What I ment when I'm done with capitalism is that I'm done with the greedy people and I guess your right fascism is dangerous one question though so why do you guys think sat ants are edgy try hard?

[Soviet solider]

Why does the fact that I'm a satanist make me an edgey assshole

[Red Economist]

So I decide to join forums for each to compare rev left for communism and iron batch for fascism to compare I hope i haven't offended you ( religiously or otherwise ) If you're on a Far Left forum AND a Far right forum, the Admins will in all probability ban you. You're probably just a kid, but... Fascists and Communists would want to kill each other in RL. (Not all, but the serious ones certainly would). We still behave like it's the 1930's and security is potentially a real issue.


I've read that Marx and Lenin did not approve of religion .Is this true ? ... oh and what do fascists think of religion?Marxist Communists are 'materialists' and do not recognize the existence of supernatural phenomena. Marx started out by borrowing a lot philosophically from the Atheist Ludwig Feuerbach.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Feuerbach
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Essence_of_Christianity

The Soviet Union and Communist Regimes persecuted religious faiths of all kinds by enforcing Marxist ideology, but nominally accepted 'freedom of religion' in their constitutions (except Albania).

That said, not all forms of communism are atheist or anti-religious and, whilst not really discussed, their are people who are religious on this forum. It's a hot issue and we do a lot polls on this.
Many people who lived in the USSR etc, continued to follow religious beliefs and I've read anecdotally that many members of the communist party in Poland were also religious (membership of the party was a necessary condition for social advancement and not necessarily a purely ideological decision).

The fascists will be more sympathetic to religion and- depending on the type- embrace mystical, religious and supernatural beliefs. The Nazi's were big on mysticism and it was something that way played on in the way they used symbols, marches and rallies to drum up support by appealing to really powerful emotions. I think the Nazi's had a few atheists, but they were most definitely in the minority.

Superficially, there are similarities between Communism and Fascism in emphasising powerful governments, revolutionary politics and rebbellion against existing authority, and their is some overlap intellectually as a result (both draw on Hegelian Philosophy). But ideologically- it's for completely different reasons and if your looking at both of them, you are probably really attracted to power as a way of rebelling against authority...


I don't think this is fair. Most random people you encounter on a day to day basis couldn't adequately describe the differences between communism and fascism. These are fringe ideas that people hear about in history class and then forget. When someone becomes disillusioned with mainstream politics they go searching for alternatives. alternatives they don't fully understand yet. I doubt they're trying to be edgy. Just looking for answers.

... but this is also very true.

[Soviet solider]

Lufrians are actually similer yt different

[Soviet solider]

I'm not trying to rebel I'm only13 and comparing for when I'm older but I do realize the capitalist government needs to be gone because they never get anything done!

[Soviet solider]

Rugged collectivist is correct I'm only searching for answers

[Soviet solider]

Yes I am truly only looming for answers

[Remus Bleys]

Here are some things lenin wrote,
http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1922/mar/12.htm
http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1905/dec/03.htm
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1913/mar/x01.htm
http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1909/may/13.htm
tldr lenin said that a religious person could join the party, he condemned religious discrimination (all must be free to profess the religion he chooses etc) the class issue meant more than the religion question, but that they would have to sort the contradictions of being in a militant athiest and that party work would itself be partly the spread of materialist and anti religious propaganda. If youre religious but act like a militant athiest and materialist in regards to the party/party work/communist literature then sure, just kinda gives you some personal conflicts that you're gonna have to sort out.

[RedWorker]

It's good that you are skeptical of what you're told and you check ideas which are disapproved of by a wide majority of people, but you should realize that fascism is just bullshit. It's just preserving the current system coupled with authoritarianism, nationalism, violence, whatever.

Fascism uses capitalism as an economic system. In fact, it is a reactionary movement to fend off an incoming workers' revolution violently and preserve capitalism. (as happened in Germany, ...) Yes, they claimed they were "anti-capitalist" and "socialist", but that means nothing. All of their actions preserved private ownership of the means of production, worked to preserve class-based society, increased cooperation between the state and corporations... etc.

Our ideas are oriented to the well-being of everyone, peace, people's power, etc. You'll find soon enough that many of us disapprove of the Soviet Union and consider it as an oppressive society, with some questioning whether it truly established even socialism. (rather suggesting it was a form of state capitalism)

Marx personally didn't seem to like religion much, but that doesn't mean religious people can't be communists. Anybody can be a communist if he wants.

[Soviet solider]

if you're flirting with fascism then you'd best fuck off unless you denounce it.

marx and engels didn't approve of religion in general and its true that most religion doesn't mix well with communist theory in a general and broad sense (you do get some decent religious communists though, its a grey area).

however, it just so happens that, as far as religions go, satanism is generally a shitty individualist doctrine that appeals to selfish, self-obsessed people and is essentially the antithesis of communism.

my advice to you is to stop being a satanist, stop flirting with fascism and sort your head out. religions are generally irrational but all of the strands of satanism i've seen take the cake, well and truly.
I'm not a levey satanists why are the irrational ?

[Soviet solider]

I do agree with that levey satanist are mean but I've met other theistics and some actually like communists

[Xena Warrior Proletarian]

Would you mind if I asked your age? Also when you came to the realisation that you were anti-capitalist and why? And also could you give brief descriptions of what you think Fascism and Communism are?

I think the answers to these questions would help everybody and yourself understand the situation better.

[Soviet solider]

Well I'm in middle school ( 13 and 8th grade) I m using a shool computer right now so yeah and I communism is a movement that fights for equality pace and to work together against capitalism and Stalinism fascism I think is that there should be classes and strong military power correct ?

[Sinister Intents]

Lufrians are actually similer yt different

Similar yet different like how?


I'm not trying to rebel I'm only13 and comparing for when I'm older but I do realize the capitalist government needs to be gone because they never get anything done!

Alright, it's a good thing you realize that the bourgeoisie are the ones expropriating labor and being oppressive and exploitative of the proletariat.


Rugged collectivist is correct I'm only searching for answers


Yes I am truly only looming for answers

We'll all help you find answers!


I'm not a levey satanists why are the irrational ?


I do agree with that levey satanist are mean but I've met other theistics and some actually like communists

LaVeyan Satanists take a lot of their philosophy from Ayn Rand, and to get an idea of Ayn Rand you should read Atlas Shrugged. You could also read the Satanic bible, but I'd recommend you not do that and focus on the likes of Lenin if you're interested in marxism, or Kropotkin if you're interested in anarchism.


Well I'm in middle school ( 13 and 8th grade) I m using a shool computer right now so yeah and I communism is a movement that fights for equality pace and to work together against capitalism and Stalinism fascism I think is that there should be classes and strong military power correct ?

Communists seek to collectivize the means of production and other capital (when I use capital I mean land, natural resources, et cetera.) Communism is also a stateless, classless, and moneyless society. Communists seek to eliminate all unnecessary hiearchy and destroy coercive/manipulative authority in favor of free association and mutual aid. In communism there should be no social classes and there will be no military power, however communists will have horizontal forms of a police force. I'm going off to college now, so my reply would be larger, but hey there you go.

[Soviet solider]

Thank you oh and Satanists think that satan is a pre chris tangos who gave man and beast freedom while luf's ( my nickname for them) think lucifer was a angel who reveled and feared the tyrant god and is a symbol of light

[Rusty Shackleford]

Just say no to fascism. All it does is make capitalism live longer when it is in crisis.

It's the ugliest and most brutal form of capitalism. They might talk about anti-capitalism but in reality it preserves the most basic features of capitalism, while occasionally bringing back old aristocratic and very backward religious ideas of intolerance and persecution.

Being religious, at least to most communists, is a personal thing. For many, religion is a way to help cope with and understand the harshness of life, but it is also a tool when organized and a part of government or state.

Secularism is at least a basic starting point in terms of communist politics and practice.

[Sea]

What I ment when I'm done with capitalism is that I'm done with the greedy people and I guess your right fascism is dangerous one question though so why do you guys think sat ants are edgy try hard?1. I have absolutely no idea what sat ants are.

2. You shouldn't commit to anything political without having a good knowledge of the arguments of each side, and, even more importantly, of what's wrong with the arguments of each side. It seems like you understand this, and that's why you're here. This text, written in the 1880 by Frederick Engels, provides a good introduction to the basics of Marxist political thought:

http://marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/soc-utop/index.htm

The concepts in the text are fairly simple, but most schools dumb down their political classes so much (or don't even have pol-sci classes) that most students have no idea what they're talking about, even if they're plenty smart enough to understand it. So, you'll probably have a lot of questions. Feel free to ask them here.
Well I'm in middle school ( 13 and 8th grade) I m using a shool computer right now so yeah and I communism is a movement that fights for equality pace and to work together against capitalism and Stalinism fascism I think is that there should be classes and strong military power correct ?You might not wanna browse revleft on a school computer. After all, you might learn something. No fighting in the war room, remember?

[Sinister Intents]

If this person is 13 we shouldn't be being assholes and give kinder more thought put responses. Don't alienate people, which is a mistake I've made

[Haldane]

I just checked "iron march" (holy frak those guys are assholes, although I guess I shouldn't expect any different from people who actually self-identify as fascists and have names like "jew slayer") and the op seems to have posted a similar thread there where he says he'll "do anything for the fascist cause" and was "sane enough to stay away from communism" and so I think we can safely dismiss this thread as pure trollery.

[RedWorker]

If this person is 13 we shouldn't be being assholes and give kinder more thought put responses. Don't alienate people, which is a mistake I've made

Yeah, this is the Learning forum, and the guy is just trying to learn. Props to him for checking out the ideologies which are most disliked in the mainstream. I like how everyone called him an "attention-seeking teenager" or similar, but don't a lot of people here on RevLeft fit that definition? :laugh: (Some of you, try to not be offended too much from that. :cool:)

[synthesis]

I'm not trying to rebel I'm only13 and comparing for when I'm older but I do realize the capitalist government needs to be gone because they never get anything done!

What does this mean, "they never get anything done?"

[Sinister Intents]

What does this mean, "they never get anything done?"

I think he's recognizing the fact that the state is made up of people who actually do nothing but live off of the backs of the worker's while providing nothing to society themselves.

[Sinister Intents]

Yeah, this is the Learning forum, and the guy is just trying to learn. Props to him for checking out the ideologies which are most disliked in the mainstream. I like how everyone called him an "attention-seeking teenager" or similar, but don't a lot of people here on RevLeft fit that definition? :laugh: (Some of you, try to not be offended too much from that. :cool:)

Indeed, also people shouldn't forget the report function to report abusive, rude, trolling, or reactionary posts. I find it quite annoying people are being rude, despite the fact I've been rude in the past, but I know how to respond more properly.

In essence, don't forget that there is a report function and that the learning forum has stricter rules.

[synthesis]

I think he's recognizing the fact that the state is made up of people who actually do nothing but live off of the backs of the worker's while providing nothing to society themselves.

I was asking him, not you. I think he can answer for himself.

[Soviet solider]

We'll guys when trying nit to die by being killed by assholes you have to act like them

[Soviet solider]

Sorry i meant to say well stupid spell check

[Soviet solider]

And yes it's exactly what sinister intents interprets it as

[RedWorker]

Try to put all you want to say in one post instead of so many. Edit your posts rather than make new ones if you just want to make a change.

[synthesis]

I just checked "iron march" (holy frak those guys are assholes, although I guess I shouldn't expect any different from people who actually self-identify as fascists and have names like "jew slayer") and the op seems to have posted a similar thread there where he says he'll "do anything for the fascist cause" and was "sane enough to stay away from communism" and so I think we can safely dismiss this thread as pure trollery.

Huh.


so this how mature you are you know if hitler saw how immature you idiots wre he would be pissed I have just added my self to the movement and this is how yo teat me!?

[Soviet solider]

Ok my expel when I was on that forum I used that card to Piss them of after they were assholes because remember I had joined 2 forums compare

[synthesis]

I think (amusingly enough, someone over there said the exact same thing) you need to take a step back and read up on politics and figure yourself out for a couple years. Don't pick an ideology based on whichever web forum mocks you the least.

[Soviet solider]

Ell the the more I think about fascism the less sense it makes to me opposite with communism

[Soviet solider]

Darn spell checker er!

[Anarcho-Crackhead]

Satanists aren't real. They're just people trying to be edgy.
I remember when I was a satanist. I was like in 6th grade (11-12 years old), pretending to be rebellious and mysterious. I drew pentagrams and tried to do witchcraft.

Then I realized that all forms of theism are stupid. Although I returned to the church not too long ago, due to my family. I am sympathetic towards Christianity more than than other religion.

[Bea Arthur]

Hello everyone I'm soviet solider I am a young person testing out non capitalistic ideas ( I done with capitalism !) I am also a satanist ( theistic ) but I've read that Marx and Lenin did not approve of religion .Is this true ? Just wanted the reason being I'm experimenting with 2 opposites communism and fascism . Sorry if that angers you. I'm just figuring out which one I belong. To . So I decide to join forums for each to compare rev left for communism and iron batch for fascism to compare I hope i haven't offended you ( religiously or otherwise ) oh and what do fascists think of religion?

Let me get this right: you naively worship the embodiment of evil, to whose cult you belong, while secretly entertaining fascist overtures. Are you sure you aren't a Trotskyist?

[#FF0000]

Let me get this right: you naively worship the embodiment of evil, to whose cult you belong, while secretly entertaining fascist overtures. Are you sure you aren't a Trotskyist?

holy shit 10/10 post not even joking

[#FF0000]

Ell the the more I think about fascism the less sense it makes to me opposite with communism

Well hey, what is it about communism that interests you? What do you think communism is?

What is it about fascism that interests(or interested) you? What do you think fascism is?

Why don't you like capitalism? What do you think capitalism is?

As far as your religion goes, I think that being religious and being a communist or anarchist are inconsistent. However, people are nothing if not inconsistent in some ways -- I've known a lot of religious folks with radical politics (One of the most stanch prison abolitionists I know is a literal Catholic priest).

Personally I think Satanism (both "Laveyan" and theistic) are pretty silly. Why do you consider yourself a satanist? What do you like about it?

[MarcusJuniusBrutus]

You mean a Russian soldier, right? The Soviet army dissolved in 1991 or 2. How can you be in the army if you're only 13?

Well, Satanism is a Christian heresy, defined by values in opposition to those of Christianity. So it promotes pride over guilt, selfishness over generosity, emotional impulsiveness over self-control, narcissism over community etc. So, if that is how you feel, you will fit right in with the fascists. :rolleyes:

[Soviet solider]

I don't worship the "embodiment of evil "theistic satanists feel that satan liberated us and that he is a pre Christian god

[Soviet solider]

You mean a Russian soldier, right? The Soviet army dissolved in 1991 or 2. How can you be in the army if you're only 13?

Well, Satanism is a Christian heresy, defined by values in opposition to those of Christianity. So it promotes pride over guilt, selfishness over generosity, emotional impulsiveness over self-control, narcissism over community etc. So, if that is how you feel, you will fit right in with the fascists. :rolleyes: once a again reverse Christians (devil worshipers ) they are the ones that think this I'm. a theistic satanist who think. That satan is a god who predates Christianity eg Loki , Set or Apep so we don't think that ( it varies) either the Christian isn't real or he was a tyrant who keeps people worshipping him like sheep so we don't follow a book that was written thousands of years ago and try to go on theistic satanist sights instead if being ignorant like the majority of the public.

[#FF0000]

once a again reverse Christians (devil worshipers ) they are the ones that think this I'm. a theistic satanist who think. That satan is a god who predates Christianity eg Loki , Set or Apep so we don't think that ( it varies) either the Christian isn't real or he was a tyrant who keeps people worshipping him like sheep so we don't follow a book that was written thousands of years ago and try to go on theistic satanist sights instead if being ignorant like the majority of the public.

At this point it sounds like you're just making things up as you go. Why believe in any gods at all?

[Sinister Intents]

The satanist dude I was in a band with briefly said that Satanism promotes critical thinking, is this true? What're your sources?

[#FF0000]

Satan, like any mythological figure, can be made to represent whatever any person wants. To folks like Anton LaVey, Satanism was all about individualism and retributive justice/morality. Then there's folks who use him pretty much as a symbol for rebellion (e.g. Saul Alinsky talking about Lucifer as the first Radical who rebelled so effectively that he gained a Kingdom from it). It's religion without orthodoxy, so it's basically whatever someone wants it to be.

[Sinister Intents]

Satan, like any mythological figure, can be made to represent whatever any person wants. To folks like Anton LaVey, Satanism was all about individualism and retributive justice/morality. Then there's folks who use him pretty much as a symbol for rebellion (e.g. Saul Alinsky talking about Lucifer as the first Radical who rebelled so effectively that he gained a Kingdom from it). It's religion without orthodoxy, so it's basically whatever someone wants it to be.

So I can quite literally call myself a satanic socialist. Will be starting that tendency later!

[Left Voice]

Putting the Satanism to one side...

If you actually are trying to learn about communism, know nothing about it and want to know where to start (the fact that you're dabbling with both communism and fascism suggests you know little about either, no offence), then there is only one place to start - read The Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx. You don't even have to read it if you don't want, feel free to listen to it on your MP3 player if you prefer.

http://librivox.org/the-communist-manifesto-by-karl-marx-and-friendrich-engels/

People here are recommending you a range of material, but there's no point touching any of that stuff if you don't know the manifesto. It is the basic aims of communism in a nutshell.

[BIXX]

Let me get this right: you naively worship the embodiment of evil, to whose cult you belong, while secretly entertaining fascist overtures. Are you sure you aren't a Trotskyist?


My favorite post by Bea Arthur ever holy fuck out of the fucking park

[BIXX]

To the OP:

If troll: 10/10 good job this thread I think accomplished it's goals. Also,get away from me you filthy casual don't you know that anarchism is way more hardcore?

If child: wait a few years. You are trying to get to the back of things right now, and understand what they are. It won't be much longer before you are understanding the spirit behind the things. Then maybe you can move beyond all that. But relax. Don't try to find an ideology, you're a kid, have fun and break shit.

[fugazi]

I suggested Völkisch anarchism in the other thread (in jest!)
Alternative Socialism and Black Ram are actually kind of fascinating...
('covert' anti-fascism ?)
NAM in general is pretty batshit though...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer_the_Lightbearer
here's an individualist anarchist journal you might find interesting

Anarchism/ post-Anarchism are probably the 'most' in line with yr sentimentality/ beliefs (?)

[Soviet solider]

Um why is that a good post I find it offensive

[Soviet solider]

Oh sorry wrong page a son I'm not a troll so I will keep watching for answers and remain looking for. Right now but not establish anything yet but thank you'll, I'll read books on communism and anarchism thank you also much :)

[Remus Bleys]

You know you can edit your posts and delete them instead of mindlessly spamming this board. What's up with the Internet and having no shame?

[#FF0000]

You know you can edit your posts and delete them instead of mindlessly spamming this board. What's up with the Internet and having no shame?

u tell me, nerd

[Red Economist]

If child: wait a few years. You are trying to get to the back of things right now, and understand what they are. It won't be much longer before you are understanding the spirit behind the things. Then maybe you can move beyond all that. But relax. Don't try to find an ideology, you're a kid, have fun and break shit.

This is really good advice. Both my parents were in politics, so I couldn't avoid it and I spent my teenage years reading Trotsky and I got my priorities completely wrong by trying to be an adult when I should have just been a kid. If I was given the chance again I would want to piss around like a normal kid, have a couple of good friends and have fun or as Echoshock put it "break shit". :grin:

[Darth]

if you're flirting with fascism then you'd best fuck off unless you denounce it.

Couldn't say it better myself!!

[Rottenfruit]

Satanism is extreme individualism and celebrates narcissism,greed and gluttony which makes it a fit with capitalism, they have alot in common with ayn rand

[Rottenfruit]

Satanists aren't real. They're just people trying to be edgy.
The Chicago Rippers disagree with that , they were a group of 4 satanic serial killers that commimted a score of murders and did ritual sacrifice and they were very real and there victims as well and the Chicago rippers were theistic satanists

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripper_Crew

[ashtonh]

Ok so let me explain to you something. Marx did dislike religion not because it was not his style but because it kept people focused on the afterlife and kept them from improving their human life. Also the power churches had was enormous. Satanism is an individualistic religion, at least Anton Laveys version. Theistic satanism is a unique branch where one liberates themselves from spiritual dogma. I believe theistic satanism can be compatable as long as it does not become dogmatic. Your flirt with fascism is unsettling and if you become a comrade of communism I will welcome you with open arms, if you side with fascism however I will openly hate you and seek to defuse and destroy your ideas.

[Fegelnator]

Satanism is extreme individualism and celebrates narcissism,greed and gluttony

I don't see the problem.

[Fegelnator]

This is really good advice. Both my parents were in politics, so I couldn't avoid it and I spent my teenage years reading Trotsky and I got my priorities completely wrong by trying to be an adult when I should have just been a kid. If I was given the chance again I would want to piss around like a normal kid, have a couple of good friends and have fun or as Echoshock put it "break shit". :grin:


Reading political stuff is fun for me ;). Although breaking shit is nice too.