Racist Music

[8thWonderOfTheWorld]

I'm not sure if this is the correct sub-forum for this thread but anyway.......



I was looking at my cousin's iPod the other day as he wanted me to listen to a new punk album he had downloaded. While i was going through his music i was impressed with the variety of music he had ranging from punk to indie to reggae to metal.

But then i was shocked to see some racist bands. A couple of skinhead bands (Condemned 84, No Remorse) and some well known nazi metal bands (Graveland, Hate Forest, Branikald, Temnozor, Judas Iscariot). I have known him all my life and never heard a single racist comment from him, in fact, i have heard him speak against fascism.

I did not confront him about this but am confused. Why listen to racist bands if you are not racist? I have read elsewhere online people saying they listen to racist bands because they like the music but don't agree with the lyrics or philosophy of the band. But can this be justified? I don't see how.

[motion denied]

I actually, once in a while, listen to RAC. And yes, it's because of the music, not the lyrics.

I don't buy their shit, neither will I change my politics because some bonehead cries "antifa ha ha ha". I don't think it needs justification.

[Sinister Intents]

This probably belongs in the Music sub-forum, but I can't do anything about that.

Some people just listen to music for the music and they shrug off any racist, sexist, fascist stuff, et cetera. I listen to death metal predominantly and there is a lot of disgusting mysoginistic music in it, like music literally about killing, mutilating and destroying women...

Also I've seen right wingers enjoying left wing music like punk and grindcore. Musical tastes don't have to involve politics necessarily. Some people can just ignore the fascist shit better I suppose, but for me I'm trying to clean my ipod up and my laptop up of anything that I don't like.

[Rosa Partizan]

gotta admit that I listen to some German rap that is pretty sexist. However, I don't buy this music, don't go to those concerts, don't recommend it to anyone. Just listening to it for myself, without promoting it in any way. Under these circumstances I'd say it might be okay.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

I listen to Ian Stuart, Final War and a bunch of other bullshit as a guilty pleasure. There is certainly a difference between enjoying music and believing in the message. If someone like me were to run into any of those bonehead bands on the street there would be at the very least a knife fight, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy their music.

[Sinister Intents]

Here is a thread I started a while ago: http://www.revleft.com/vb/musical-evolution-and-t186105/index.html?t=186105

[Skyhilist]

Reminds me of this right wing friend that I have who absolutely loves Rage Against the Machine.

[Sinister Intents]

Reminds me of this right wing friend that I have who absolutely loves Rage Against the Machine.

A lot of right wingers when I was in high school like RATM, System of a Down, Slipknot, Disturbed, and so on. I thought it was funny so many conservatives like music that was more left than them

[PhoenixAsh]

A lot of people don't know about the politics of a band and a whole lot more do not understand the meaning in the lyrics.

[Sinister Intents]

A lot of people don't know about the politics of a band and a whole lot more do not understand the meaning in the lyrics.

Which in some cases can be absolutely hilarious when they're listening to music that contradicts there own beliefs. It truly doesn't matter though what the politics of the music are if you enjoy the style. Which for me is not always the case, hence the reason why I hate certain death and black metal bands so much for disgusting mysoginistic content

[DOOM]

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Pretty anti-bosniak, I like it though.
Pretty catchy

[Quail]

Personally I appreciate lyrics a lot as part of the music, so I would find it difficult to listen to and appreciate racist or sexist music (though I guess I have a couple of guilty pleasures...). But perhaps some people either don't care about the lyrics and are more interested in the music or don't actually know what they're listening to?

[QueerVanguard]

Look, I like hip hop and punky type music as much as the next person, but you gotta draw the line somewhere. Downloading these freaks music just emboldens them to make more of it and a little young kids get sucked into reactionary crap by music alone some times.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

i tend to favour music that rests somewhere within the realm of my ideology but i am certain that, if i went through my collection and removed albums that went against my core principles, i'd lose quite a lot of my amazing collection.

that said, i would draw the line at anything openly and obviously racist.

then again, i listen to a lot of hip-hop and the sexism in it is incredible. jesus, there's full-on sexism in every genre and some of my favourite tracks and albums are riddled with it.

highly problematic. the question has opened a can of worms in my brain. maybe people are right when they say "just enjoy the music" but i dunno...

[Captain Red]

I use to listen to Eric Clapton for awhile. Personally though I have always had trouble listening to bands who are very different from my own political views, for instance I used to listen Frank Zappa but then I stopped when I found out he opposed communism.

[Igor]

i used to listen a lot of more out-there racist bands when i was 15 or so but it had more to do that them being like norwegian and swedish groups i really didnt understand the lyrics of and was too dumb to care or find out their meaning

[Sinister Intents]

Is Lynyrd Skynyrd a racist band? What of other southern rock groups I like?

[Igor]

I use to listen to Eric Clapton for awhile. Personally though I have always had trouble listening to bands who are very different from my own political views, for instance I used to listen Frank Zappa but then I stopped when I found out he opposed communism.boy are you in for a small playlist if you think someone opposing communism is enough to give up their work

bc yeah most people do

[Sasha]

Eric Clapton had a lot more questionable positions than him opposing communism though, explicitly supporting Enoch Powells racism inciting rivers of blood speech for example.

[Igor]

i know about clapton and was mostly referring to the zappa part

[Sinister Intents]

This thread is the only reason I'm looking for any NSBM.... I doubt I'll find anything enjoyable sound wise, if I do I guess I'll post it in a double spoiler

doL_scna-VQ

Actually I think the guitar riffs in this song are utter shit. Fuck this trash.

[Ro Laren]

I'm often reluctant to google artists I like in case I find out something about them that puts me off them forever. I can't get past it, no matter how good the music is.

I do like rap, but only listen to it in short bursts since the misogyny gets to me. I won't listen to anything overtly racist or with just generally shitty lyrics. It's not worth it for me.

[Lanfear]

I listen to a lot if death metal where the lyrics can be rather unpleasant - I'm thinking CC in particular. Luckily it's pretty dam hard to make the lyrics out. I also think I'm intelligent enough to separate reality from what they actually sing about. Nor do I think they actually believe in what they sing. If they did that's be a different matter entirely

[Sinister Intents]

I listen to a lot if death metal where the lyrics can be rather unpleasant - I'm thinking CC in particular. Luckily it's pretty dam hard to make the lyrics out. I also think I'm intelligent enough to separate reality from what they actually sing about. Nor do I think they actually believe in what they sing. If they did that's be a different matter entirely

Likewise!!! Too many death metal bands have fucked up lyrics. In CC's case: Corpsegrinder said something along the lines that he doesn't agree with the lyrics he writes. A lot of death metal is about shock factor and being horror music. I'm also to the point where I can understand all exhaled death growls, so if I hear something I don't like or find triggering. I get rid of the album or demo in that case.

[Sea]

Is this the thread where we're supposed to post our favorite racist songs, or.....?
Personally I appreciate lyrics a lot as part of the music, so I would find it difficult to listen to and appreciate racist or sexist music (though I guess I have a couple of guilty pleasures...). But perhaps some people either don't care about the lyrics and are more interested in the music or don't actually know what they're listening to?I knew someone who liked that "fuckin magnets, how do they work" song and thought it was great and then I showed them the lyrics and they stopped liking it. It baffles me, really...

[Wuggums47]

A guilty pleasure of mine is listening to the band Mindless Self Indulgence. The lead singer Little Jimmy says a lot of very offensive words. From interviews I can tell he doesn't actually hate any one group, it's more of a deliberate attempt to be offensive. A side project of his is basically just an experiment to see how scatological they can make their songs.

[VassilisStalin]

My personal opinion about racist music is that it should be banned and their asses to be hanged.Simply.

[LiaSofia]

Eric Clapton had a lot more questionable positions than him opposing communism though, explicitly supporting Enoch Powells racism inciting rivers of blood speech for example.

Seriously, when?! :blink:

[Hagalaz]

I listen to Ian Stuart, Final War and a bunch of other bullshit as a guilty pleasure. There is certainly a difference between enjoying music and believing in the message. If someone like me were to run into any of those bonehead bands on the street there would be at the very least a knife fight, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy their music.

A knife fight? You would actually try to kill someone over their music/beliefs?:ohmy:

[consuming negativity]

I can understand a band or two, but like 6+ of them? There are a couple of good songs that the neo Nazi fucks have come up with that are pretty cool sounding, but the rest of it is garbage music with garbage lyrics. There's no reason why you can't just listen to the endless legions of rock/metal that don't advocate the murder of minorities. I feel the same way about every genre. People hate on rap, but there is plenty of good rap, pop, rock, country, or whatever else you're into where you don't have to listen to bigoted bullshit. Indulging every now and then is fine, especially if its something you grew up with and has a bit of nostalgia. And I certainly wouldn't advocate we just pretend that our music doesn't reflect larger cultural values. But anything beyond that is just morally unacceptable to me, for me... we can't cut ourselves off from society, but we can make choices where possible to limit our exposure/support of shit we disagree with. And I have to, if only to be able to enjoy myself.

[Sinister Intents]

Here you go: Fear - The Mouth Don't Stop
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGewwjlRtsw
This is sexist as fuck, but I'm sure the artist is also racist. I'll have to look further into it, but it'll probably piss me off. It'll definitely piss off a ton of people

[motion denied]

Problem is that most leftist bands are shit. And I can't listen to them un-ironically.

Though nothing beats good old 'fuck the police' rap.

[Patrice O'neal]

I listen to Ian Stuart, Final War and a bunch of other bullshit as a guilty pleasure. There is certainly a difference between enjoying music and believing in the message. If someone like me were to run into any of those bonehead bands on the street there would be at the very least a knife fight, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy their music.

No it wouldn't because real life is not the internet.

[Lord Testicles]

Seriously, when?! :blink:

In August 1976, Eric Clapton revealed himself to be a monumentally racist shit-head.

"Eric Clapton, following Enoch Powell's "Rivers Of Blood" speech, at a 1976 gig in Birmingham: "Vote for Enoch Powell... I think Enoch's right, I think we should send them all back. Stop Britain from becoming a black colony. Get the foreigners out. Get the wogs out. Get the coons out. Keep Britain white." – thus single-handedly sparking the Rock Against Racism campaign. Clapton - who's made a career of playing blues music - has never detracted the comments, other than to say that he was drunk, and not racist, just anti-immigration."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Racism

[Sea]

Fourteen eighty-eight
I wipe my ass, hallucinate
I see them standing at the gate
It's those people, those people (yeah)

I do this shit just to hate
I drop my rhymes like fishin bait
I turn my guns right on you
Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Jew

All my homies are dumb like me
We the dumb we pee freely
It don't make sense these things I say
So I make shit up along the way

Like Adolph H and Robby Lee
My thoughts are contradictory
But I pretend I'm always right
Cause left ain't right (it's left, that's right)

I cheat and steal and hit the bong
It's okay for me, but if you're black it's wrong
Don't like at me like, "obviously"
Cause being blind makes it hard to see

[Patrice O'neal]

That sucks :(

Does he still support those ideas? I know for example John Lennon went from social dem to flirting with leninism and had supported pascifism at one point. Not sure what his politics were towards the end.

I know he used to beat the shit out of Yoko though, people often blame that on drugs but I don't see how drugs magically make you a wife beating piece of shit. I also find it hard to forgive anyone of something like that, even if they have changed.

[Patrice O'neal]

Fourteen eighty-eight
I wipe my ass, hallucinate
I see them standing at the gate
It's those people, those people (yeah)

I do this shit just to hate
I drop my rhymes like fishin bait
I turn my guns right on you
Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Jew

All my homies are dumb like me
We the dumb we pee freely
It don't make sense these things I say
So I make shit up along the way

Like Adolph H and Robby Lee
My thoughts are contradictory
But I pretend I'm always right
Cause left ain't right (it's left, that's right)

I cheat and steal and hit the bong
It's okay for me, but if you're black it's wrong
Don't like at me like, "obviously"
Cause being blind makes it hard to see

Nothing makes me cringe more than people who listen to political music.

I once had someone tell me Immortal Technique was better than Nas. I asked him what other rap he liked, he named Lowkey, Dead Prez and Bambu :D

Having an ideology control your entire life seems really creepy and forced.

[Brandon's Impotent Rage]

My biggest musical guilty pleasure?

The Mentors. Fantastic stripped-down old school heavy metal with the most vile, misogynistic and homophobic lyrics ever recorded. Seriously.

[Sea]

Nothing makes me cringe more than people who listen to political music.

I once had someone tell me Immortal Technique was better than Nas. I asked him what other rap he liked, he named Lowkey, Dead Prez and Bambu :D

Having an ideology control your entire life seems really creepy and forced.I don't listen to rap.

[Ceallach_the_Witch]

with the breadth of genres I like to listen to it would be impossible for me to avoid music either made by racists and/or containing explicitly racist lyrics/other content. It's not like I pay for most of the fucking stuff anyway.

[Creative Destruction]

most racist music it turns out i just don't like. most NSBM bands are complete shit and so are most racist punk groups. there were some ambient and industrial groups off of Cold Meat Industries that had fascist sympathies, but it didn't leak into their lyrics much.

some southern rock you could probably characterize as racist, but most of it is apolitical. lynyrd skynyrd is an interesting case. Ronnie Van Zandt and a couple of the other guys seemed to be fairly liberal. "Sweet Home Alabama"s lyrics were misheard because they're kind of vague, but Van Zandt said a couple times in interviews that the lyrics were supposed to come out as anti-Wallace. still, they also have the confederate flag, but a lot of young white people in the south sincerely don't believe it has to do with racism, and more about regional pride. they don't stop to actually think about it (which the Young Patriots back in the 60s ran into, when they tried co-opting the confederate flag as their own and turning the meaning on its head) and it just kind of became a part of their style. other than that, they had an anti-hand gun song, "Saturday Night Special," also, which ran against the conservative grain, especially in the south. so, their symbolism is racist, but it's hard to tell what is in their hearts.

other than that, i listen to some rap which is unfortunately misogynist. a lot more rap which isn't, and is more politically left (like dead prez, The Coup, etc.) i used to listen to death metal a lot, which was incredibly misogynist (i've always would've liked to see a woman death metal band that had misandrist lyrics, just to kind of flip the script.) i'm really into old timey music, which is, really, for the most part completely apolitical except for some old union songs, but because of the time and place a lot of old time music was written, you'd run into some racist and misogynistic songs from time to time. some of the early blues music i listen to is incredibly misogynist.

it's also a trip to ponder on how racism, as an outside force, helped create some of the most moving music ever written, in the form of much Mississippi delta and hill country blues, as well as some of the more somber jazz music (Billie Holiday, etc.)

[bcbm]

i like some nsbm and lots of martial/dark martial and such that i'm sure is made by people with extremely questionable beliefs

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

It'd be really metal if you killed him and ate his brains and made a bone fragment necklace of skull.

[Creative Destruction]

It'd be really metal if you killed him and ate his brains and made a bone fragment necklace of skull.

i had a friend who did this except the bone fragments from a dead coyote he found in the woods. i don't know if he killed the poor animal himself.

i stopped hanging out with him after i copied his music collection onto my computer.

[Lord Testicles]

i had a friend who did this except the bone fragments from a dead coyote he found in the woods. i don't know if he killed the poor animal himself.

i stopped hanging out with him after i copied his music collection onto my computer.

I believe it was a reference to Mayhem.

In time, rumors spread that Euronymous had made a stew with bits of Dead's brain and had made necklaces with bits of his skull.[/URL] The band later denied the former rumor, but confirmed that the latter was true. - [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayhem_%28band%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayhem_%28band%29#cite_note-murdermusic-20)

[Creative Destruction]

I believe it was a reference to Mayhem.

In time, rumors spread that Euronymous had made a stew with bits of Dead's brain and had made necklaces with bits of his skull.[/URL] The band later denied the former rumor, but confirmed that the latter was true. - [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayhem_%28band%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayhem_%28band%29#cite_note-murdermusic-20)

i know where the reference came from.

eta. i'd like to note that upon making this post, i found that my reputation points now equal "666". none of you fuckers better touch it.

[Rottenfruit]

I believe it was a reference to Mayhem.

In time, rumors spread that Euronymous had made a stew with bits of Dead's brain and had made necklaces with bits of his skull. The band later denied the former rumor, but confirmed that the latter was true. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayhem_%28band%29
Mayhem was not racist i dont remember any of there lyrics being racist , even tough varg vikerness turned out to be a racist later

the two best songs with mayhem in my view

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZmDL_PzvdY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8VIhIIq-kk

[Rottenfruit]

This thread is the only reason I'm looking for any NSBM.... I doubt I'll find anything enjoyable sound wise, if I do I guess I'll post it in a double spoiler

doL_scna-VQ

Actually I think the guitar riffs in this song are utter shit. Fuck this trash.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_6KzGY2xUE

This is the only nsbm song ive heard that i would consider actuall good black metal

[LiaSofia]

That's disappointing about Clapton. :(

I think most people can appreciate good music even if they don't like the musician or agree with their politics. If everyone had to listen to bands that matched their ideology 100% it would be pretty boring.


Problem is that most leftist bands are shit. And I can't listen to them un-ironically.

It really just depends on which genres you like and how leftist you want the band to be. I don't like Rage Against the Machine, for example, but most of my favourite music comes from the folk movement of the 1960s and it's difficult to find a folk singer from that period who wasn't at least left-leaning. There are lots of good protest songs about different issues ('Ohio' by Neil Young about Kent State, all of the anti-Vietnam stuff).

Then you have people like Odetta, Pete Seeger, Buffy Sainte-Marie, Phil Ochs, Gil Scott-Heron (The Revolution Will Not Be Televised, Winter in America, We Almost Lost Detroit), Joan Baez, Fela Kuti, Tracy Chapman. Even R.E.M. whose politics is more moderate have a few good political songs.

But if you're looking for a Maoist band that's the same quality as The Beatles then I can't help you. ;)

[Patrice O'neal]

That's disappointing about Clapton. :(

I think most people can appreciate good music even if they don't like the musician or agree with their politics. If everyone had to listen to bands that matched their ideology 100% it would be pretty boring.



It really just depends on which genres you like and how leftist you want the band to be. I don't like Rage Against the Machine, for example, but most of my favourite music comes from the folk movement of the 1960s and it's difficult to find a folk singer from that period who wasn't at least left-leaning. There are lots of good protest songs about different issues ('Ohio' by Neil Young about Kent State, all of the anti-Vietnam stuff).

Then you have people like Odetta, Pete Seeger, Buffy Sainte-Marie, Phil Ochs, Gil Scott-Heron (The Revolution Will Not Be Televised, Winter in America, We Almost Lost Detroit), Joan Baez, Fela Kuti, Tracy Chapman. Even R.E.M. whose politics is more moderate have a few good political songs.

But if you're looking for a Maoist band that's the same quality as The Beatles then I can't help you. ;)

Do you like Dave Van Ronk and Bob Dylan? I have taken so much shit from my family for liking bob Dylan but I just instantly loved his music. And Dave Van Ronk's pre Dylan, The Animals rising sun, he wrote the cord progresison that they all use, such an awesome version of that song.