Environment and Marxism

[fgilbert2]

Which political formations and authors do the best at connecting the dots between our current environmental crisis and class struggle? I'm looking for specifically Marxist organizations and thinkers. An added bonus is an attention to animal rights.

I'm in the USA, but thanks to the interwebs, any entity or person that fits the bill is of interest.

Thanks!

[Always Curious J]

You may be interested in ecosocialism http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eco-socialism. A quick google search on it brings up many good results and lots of reading material. Careful though, you might start reading, get immersed,and then not notice until a few hours have passed like I have done before:laugh:

[Dagoth Ur]

You can't liberate animals before you liberate man, and you can't protect the environment in a profit-driven culture. Therefore the best course for environmentalism and animal liberation is Marxism.

[BIXX]

You can't liberate animals before you liberate man, and you can't protect the environment in a profit-driven culture. Therefore the best course for environmentalism and animal liberation is Marxism.


Well, assuming Marxism is the most liberatory tendency.

On another note, do you think that animal liberation may take place at the same time as human liberation? Why/why not?

[Dagoth Ur]

Marxism is the only route that has any chance at creating a lasting DotP, which is the most liberating vehicle known to us.

I think Animal Liberation will be quite a bit different than you think. Until we can synthesize meat we will still consume it, but we can stop their labors and we can stop the egregious abuse. Plus it won't be that long until we have replicators anyways.

[BIXX]

Marxism is the only route that has any chance at creating a lasting DotP, which is the most liberating vehicle known to us.

While I don't wanna turn this into much of a Marxism v anarchism or whatever, why is the DotP the most liberating vehicle known to us?




I think Animal Liberation will be quite a bit different than you think. Until we can synthesize meat we will still consume it, but we can stop their labors and we can stop the egregious abuse. Plus it won't be that long until we have replicators anyways.


Why must we consume meat?

[Dagoth Ur]

Because only the DotP has a materialist function that will eradicate the classes, that is coherent. Whatever destroys the disastrous tide of class conflict most effectively will lead to more liberation.

We must because we are human. We must also eat plants. It is no different from a pig that eats whatever it can. I agree that humans consume too much meat however and that we need to drastically cut back. No more of this every single thing I eat has meat in it bullshit.

[BIXX]

Because only the DotP has a materialist function that will eradicate the classes, that is coherent. Whatever destroys the disastrous tide of class conflict most effectively will lead to more liberation.

Would we not be able to just as easily (if not more quickly) destroy class through one of the many conceptions of an anarchist revolution?

I guess I am asking what specifically does the DotP have to offer?




We must because we are human. We must also eat plants. It is no different from a pig that eats whatever it can. I agree that humans consume too much meat however and that we need to drastically cut back. No more of this every single thing I eat has meat in it bullshit.


But what about being human necessitates meat eating?

To the OP: ecosocialism is good, look into the ELF a bit as well.

[Dagoth Ur]

Stability for the solidification of revolutionary cultural gains. The anarchists have no plan aside from some vague notions of spontaneous militias etc.

We are built to eat lots of vegetables and some meat to keep our protein up high enough to be able to do work. Our modern form of meat consumption is obscene but it does not change that humans have always eaten meat and out systems are acclimated to it.