Illuminati - Real or Not?

[mindsword]

Do u believe in a luciferian conspiracy (vatican, bohemian grove, skull & bones.... a guy named marco from torino....... erm, yeah. dont ask) is secretly ruling the world, through pulling strings through powerful organizations like bilderberg group, UN, CIA etc and using magic symbols in popular hollywood movies?

I am proud to say that i am a 6th year level 10 tinfoil hat wearer when im not a rational pretty normal leftist/activist. Ask me anything wierd.

[PhoenixAsh]

Dude, it is so true you don't even know. I swear they have fucking eyes and ears everywhere. They even infiltrated this site and their main agent here is.....
(https://libcom.org/library/how-overthrow-illuminati)

user was banned for this post.

Nothing to see here....move on.

[Thirsty Crow]

Definitely not.

It's a historical irony that the bourgeois radicals in Germany, grouped around Weisshaupt, have been transformed into an all powerful conspiratorial gang. It's also clear that the origin of this silly story lies with the European feudal reaction.

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

The capitalist class openly rules the world.

[Remus Bleys]

Yes they are definitely real. It is painfully obvious that shape shifting Draconians control everything and openly seek to implement one World government.

[Brutus]

All world leaders are part of the shape-shifting reptilian clique. That's why Stalin killed Trotsky.

[Turinbaar]

this is a documentary of their activity

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[mindsword]

I really cant tell if most of you are being sarcastic or not.

Really! Well done.

Srsly, you need to put the ∕sarcasm code up after youre finished, or my computer screen will be all glitchy....

[Sentinel]

I'm moving this to chit chat, otherwise they might think we are onto them.

[synthesis]

You know, I think tinfoil hats get a bad rap. It seems like 50 years from now, there might be concrete health benefits to doing so. But it would also make it easier for shapeshifting reptilians to retain moisture when using microwave rays to cook our brains, so I guess it's kind of a trade-off.

[mindsword]

i dont know wether to laugh or cry...

also having your thread moved has its benefits; it means your thread is now in TWO forums at the same time.

[Thirsty Crow]

i dont know wether to laugh or cry...

also having your thread moved has its benefits; it means your thread is now in TWO forums at the same time.
I definitely, and non-ironically, agree with you; this doesn't belong in chit chat.

Though, the reason for my assessment is my opinion that conspiratorial bullshit might be better exposed if this thread weren't subject to loose chit-chat rules.

As for my previous post here, my man Adam, you were probably the bud of Germany. See what they made of the Enlightenment there...

[tallguy]

No, definitely not, obviously.....

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[PhoenixAsh]

http://www.revleft.com/vb/overthrow-illuminati-t188155/index.html?t=188155

just because somebody might have missed it.


Also: the articles forum is up and running again.

[Multiaccounting]

I don't believe it exists.

[reb]

There are far more sinister secret societies. Societies so secret that it is as if an occult hand had (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Occult_Hand) passed in front of the world's eye and blotted them from history.

[Sasha]

Wow, thanks for that ^, that's hillarious...

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

No, definitely not, obviously.....

peX4dBEF0Vg

Oh the horrors of LCD TVs.

[Sasha]

Oh the horrors of LCD TVs.

We had a hostage situation where someone who was convinced that there where subliminal messages in the blackbars on the widescreen TV's wanted to take Phillips personal hostage (but missed they moved a few months prior to a neighbouring skyscraper)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1866286.stm

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

We had a hostage situation where someone who was convinced that there where subliminal messages in the blackbars on the widescreen TV's wanted to take Phillips personal hostage (but missed they moved a few months prior to a neighbouring skyscraper)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1866286.stm

Wow, what a vile article. "Apparently unhappy with widescreen television." Yeah, let's laugh because someone with problems killed themselves (just so we're clear, this isn't aimed at you - I just find this kind of "journalism" to be disgusting).

Anyway, the person mentioned in the article obviously had mental problems, and I'm not convinced that is true of most people who write populist rubbish about "the bankers". These people are generally reactionaries who are displeased because people aren't going to church and they're having gay sex and abortions, and it's all the fault of those devious Jews and other foreign types. But saying so explicitly gets them in trouble, so they give the sob story about abortions and gay sex an "anti-consumerist" twist (because we all know that having money to buy stuff is basically the worst thing that can happen to a worker), call the foreign types "bankers" and voila, "leftists" lap it up.

[tallguy]

Wow, what a vile article. "Apparently unhappy with widescreen television." Yeah, let's laugh because someone with problems killed themselves (just so we're clear, this isn't aimed at you - I just find this kind of "journalism" to be disgusting).

Anyway, the person mentioned in the article obviously had mental problems, and I'm not convinced that is true of most people who write populist rubbish about "the bankers". These people are generally reactionaries who are displeased because people aren't going to church and they're having gay sex and abortions, and it's all the fault of those devious Jews and other foreign types. But saying so explicitly gets them in trouble, so they give the sob story about abortions and gay sex an "anti-consumerist" twist (because we all know that having money to buy stuff is basically the worst thing that can happen to a worker), call the foreign types "bankers" and voila, "leftists" lap it up.bullshit

You are delibnerately conflating real, valid, material arguments about capitalist banking elites and how they have governments by the balls with bullshit about Jews, gay sex and foreigners. What a nasty, but utterly trtansparent little game you are playing. Are you some kind of fucking capitalist shill put here to sow confusion and disorder then?

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

bullshit

You are delibnerately conflating real, valid, material arguments about capitalist banking elites and how they have governments by the balls with bullshit about Jews, gay sex and foreigners. What a nasty, but utterly trtansparent little game you are playing. Are you some kind of fucking capitalist shill put here to sow confusion and disorder then?

Some kind of shill? I'll have you know I am one of the finest agents of the secret Rotschild conspiracy.

You don't seem to get it. Socialists are the enemies of the bourgeoisie, not just one small subset ("the bankers") that figures prominently in right-wing "anti-capitalist" populism. And we certainly aren't the enemies of some vague "elites" - which is, again, a nonsensical, populist notion.

I would err on the side of caution and think you just can't distinguish between socialism and populism, but the very video you posted moans about how people "worship false idols" and care about things "that won't matter when your time is done". The stench of thyme is noticeable.

[synthesis]

You should be instantly suspicious of any self-proclaimed revolutionary whose rhetoric criticizes only finance capital.

[tallguy]

You should be instantly suspicious of any self-proclaimed revolutionary whose rhetoric criticizes only finance capital.
So who said anything about criticising only financial capital? You sad little tits really are pathetic and, for a lot of other similar reasons, I am done wasting my with this site.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

You say that every five minutes, though. It never turns out to have been the case.

[PhoenixAsh]

We helped him keep his promise....it seems.

[RyeN]

Socialists are the enemies of the bourgeoisie

I honestly dont think that we are going to turn the tide, by creating an us and them mentality. The whole point of Communisim is to elliminate classes, and have all people treated as equal. I know historically there has never been a revolution won over by peace, but hate breeds hate. We should look at all the people who are in the rulling class as extremley sick humans. They have a dissease and only need to be healed in order to become productive members of a society working in cooperation. In order to win this "war" we should be focusing on educating the working class, the middle class the 2nd and 3rd worlds. Money really doesnt exist, what is real is the molecules that make up the bill, its cohesiveness, its realitve temperature, and its potential motion. Capital only has the value that we collectivley agree to allow a select few to set for us. So we wake people up, so to speak, to the truth. The beautiful thing is that this is happening anyway, and its all part of our societys evolution. Capitolism has brought in the infrastructure to elliminate thier own power and the only still have it because of all the energy that they are wasting holding onto the last vestigaes of a dying power. The perception of power as something external, to be used to control and manipulate causation in physical reality, is comming to an end. People can think that they own thier house, or car, or wife, but they are just wasting energy that could better be used to uplift others. A car doesnt know you own it, and a factory doesnt know that either, but people are still allowing the "boss" to tell them that he ownes it.

Errr sory for ranting a bit, it all just seems so ridiculous that we are the ones who empower any esoteric organization by agreeing to their rules. :lol:

[synthesis]

So who said anything about criticising only financial capital?

Not that he can respond, but the problem is with the omission. If someone criticizes finance capital, that's not a problem; but if you notice that they're not also criticizing the structure of capitalism as a whole, that becomes problematic.

[Thirsty Crow]

I honestly dont think that we are going to turn the tide, by creating an us and them mentality.
I can help you in answering this question.

By generalizing this mentality, in its most efficient form, among our class brothers and sisters.


They have a dissease and only need to be healed in order to become productive members of a society working in cooperation.
What kind of pseudo-psychological bullshit is this?

No, the idea that capitalists are mostly sociopaths is bunk.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

I honestly dont think that we are going to turn the tide, by creating an us and them mentality.

Comrade LinksRadikal has already mentioned this - I have little to add to that. Besides, the point is that the two groups - the bourgeoisie and the proletariat already exist - it's not as if they are created by socialist ideology.


The whole point of Communisim is to elliminate classes, and have all people treated as equal.

The point of communism is the overthrow bourgeois society - this means the end of class society eventually, but in the mean time it requires the creation of a transitional authority that would be the purest, most vigorous expression of class antagonism, a dictatorship of the proletariat.


I know historically there has never been a revolution won over by peace, but hate breeds hate.

Well, the ideologists of the bourgeoisie, back when it was a revolutionary class, expressed quite a lot of hatred for the aristocracy. Now, of course, no one hates the feudal aristocracy, because they do not exist.


We should look at all the people who are in the rulling class as extremley sick humans. They have a dissease and only need to be healed in order to become productive members of a society working in cooperation.

The bourgeoisie aren't sick - capitalism is perfectly in their class interest.


In order to win this "war" we should be focusing on educating the working class, the middle class the 2nd and 3rd worlds. Money really doesnt exist, what is real is the molecules that make up the bill, its cohesiveness, its realitve temperature, and its potential motion.

I wanted to reply to this post but it doesn't exist.

[Q]

Do u believe in a luciferian conspiracy (vatican, bohemian grove, skull & bones.... a guy named marco from torino....... erm, yeah. dont ask) is secretly ruling the world, through pulling strings through powerful organizations like bilderberg group, UN, CIA etc and using magic symbols in popular hollywood movies?

I am proud to say that i am a 6th year level 10 tinfoil hat wearer when im not a rational pretty normal leftist/activist. Ask me anything wierd.
You know that commies are into the conspiracy, right? We're aiming to remake the world into a new order, under one world government.

[Thirsty Crow]

You know that commies are into the conspiracy, right? We're aiming to remake the world into a new order, under one world government.
I can be the obligatory Luciferian guy.