college education

[Che Matador]

i didnt know where else to post

heres a question for you guys

Should your college education be a moral education, why yes or no,

what are the alternative ways in which it could be an education in morality

[lucid]

Originally posted by Che [email protected] 28 2004, 02:03 AM
i didnt know where else to post

heres a question for you guys

Should your college education be a moral education, why yes or no,

what are the alternative ways in which it could be an education in morality
Who needs a college education if the government is going to give you everything you need to live?

[LSD]

Who needs a college education if the government is going to give you everything you need to live?

That question demonstrates the evils of capitalism.

In your worldview education exists solely to help one "make money".
No one wants to learn, no one gives a damn about anything beyond "making money".

I am everylastingly thankfull that I don't live in your world, it is a truely sad place.

[Pete]

What do you mean by 'morals?'

I think that postsecondary education (whether it be apprenticeship, college, university, ect) should be open to all and the education recieved should reflect both the students areas of interest and their future path they wish to take in society.

Preferably, of course, I the current form of education needs to be toppled, destroyed, crushed, and become a mandatory engagement at all levels, were the students follow through as long as they wish on the condition that when asked they will share their knowledge with others. But that's just utopian.

-Pete

[BuyOurEverything]

i didnt know where else to post

heres a question for you guys

Should your college education be a moral education, why yes or no,

what are the alternative ways in which it could be an education in morality

My immediate reaction is no, unless you're talking about philosophical ethics type courses. Could you be more specific?

[canikickit]

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This is written at the top of the forum now. Didn't you see it, Lucid?
what's the point in your smart ass comment? It didn't bring anything to the discussion. it's not even an intelligent thing to say.

Education would be necessary in a communist system, just like any other system.

Che Matador,

I think you should try and clarify your question. What are morals? What would a moral education entail?
The second part of your question...

what are the alternative ways in which it could be an education in morality

"It" as in college? College can be an education in morality through your daily activities and social interaction, inside and outside the boundries of your course. People should learn a decent way of living in all their experiences, "morality" is not a subject which we should study in little hour long segments.

[lucid]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 02:15 AM
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This is written at the top of the forum now. Didn't you see it, Lucid?
what's the point in your smart ass comment? It didn't bring anything to the discussion. it's not even an intelligent thing to say.

Education would be necessary in a communist system, just like any other system.

Che Matador,

I think you should try and clarify your question. What are morals? What would a moral education entail?
The second part of your question...

what are the alternative ways in which it could be an education in morality

"It" as in college? College can be an education in morality through your daily activities and social interaction, inside and outside the boundries of your course. People should learn a decent way of living in all their experiences, "morality" is not a subject which we should study in little hour long segments.
Sorry if the point I was trying to make offended you. :rolleyes:

The majority of the people on earth will do nothing if they will be given everything they need to live. Especially if hard work will not help them personally. Look at wellfare! It is constantly abused by people that don't care if they ever succeed. As long as uncle sam gives them section 8 housing and foodstamps they are good to go. If money gets real tight they will go commit a couple of armed robberies to bring in a little extra cash. What proof do you have that shows that people will work for the common good of all? As long as people have minds and free will they will look after themselves first.

You give people way way way to much credit.

[Y2A]

I have to disagree somewhat with lucid here. I agree with you to some point inwhich these people give people to much credit. Hell, I grew up in the inner city, it's true. But education is a neccessary to advance our society and believe it or not, there are many people who simply can not afford to get a higher education but are smart enough to. To deny some one the right to better themselves due to the fact that they can not afford it is just plain wrong. I am not for completely socializing the system I would just rather see our taxes go to something much more useful like education, then in the pockets of halliburton executives due to "overcharging".

[Che Matador]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 02:12 AM

i didnt know where else to post

heres a question for you guys

Should your college education be a moral education, why yes or no,

what are the alternative ways in which it could be an education in morality

My immediate reaction is no, unless you're talking about philosophical ethics type courses. Could you be more specific?
Ill explain a little more

say your in college , should the subjects that you are enrolled in be moral based (the professor teaching whats right wrong based on his ideas) or should it be more free value where as the professor doesnt take a side on an issue.

take for instance BYU, which is totally based on the mormen religion, should education come hand in hand with morals of everyday life, or should it not matter. Should us as students be more worried about facts and statistics rather then worring about whats right and wrong.

[redstar2000]

The majority of the people on earth will do nothing if they will be given everything they need to live.

A tiresome hypothesis, but one I'd be willing to serve as a "test subject" for.

We'll begin by you giving me all your money and then we'll see if I actually do anything or just lie on the grass and look at the pretty clouds.

No?

Such a lack of faith in the scientific method does not bode well for the future of capitalism.

http://anarchist-action.org/forums/images/smiles/redstar.gif

The RedStar2000 Papers (http://www.anarchist-action.org/marxists/redstar2000/)
A site about communist ideas

[left for dead]

Look at wellfare! It is constantly abused by people that don't care if they ever succeed. As long as uncle sam gives them section 8 housing and foodstamps they are good to go. If money gets real tight they will go commit a couple of armed robberies to bring in a little extra cash. What proof do you have that shows that people will work for the common good of all? As long as people have minds and free will they will look after themselves first.


BULLSHIT.

I can safely say that this is not the case for the majority. Sure, people do result to crimes, but that is in extreme cases when they can't find jobs that are being lost by inner-city deindustrialization and white flight.

Most of the people that receive food stamps or WIC earn low wages, often below the poverty line. They need this aid because without it, there would be no food on the table, so take away this aid, and what will you have? Even more rampant crime.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by Che [email protected] 28 2004, 04:57 AM
Ill explain a little more

say your in college , should the subjects that you are enrolled in be moral based (the professor teaching whats right wrong based on his ideas) or should it be more free value where as the professor doesnt take a side on an issue.

take for instance BYU, which is totally based on the mormen religion, should education come hand in hand with morals of everyday life, or should it not matter. Should us as students be more worried about facts and statistics rather then worring about whats right and wrong.
I think you think morals comes from religion, they dont, so dont get morals and religion confused.
Byu is a private college, so they can teach in whatever manner they want to teach.

I do think morals should be tought to kids, there are certain things that are just wrong and others that are right. So that should be included in classrooms.

[Hegemonicretribution]

I would most definately disagree in most cases that morals should be taught, I think empathy however should be encouraged. There is equally no point in being objective, because you have to be objective about being objective...(this would be better suited in philosophy for where I would like to go anyway)...Education is viewed as the main source of secondry socialisation, and the bridge between home and the wider world. It serves various roles in the shaping of individuals..currently in the interest of the bourgeois. I believe that there should always be conflict in society, so that ideas can always progress (communism does not stop the idea of dialectics), therefore people should not intentionaly be shaped.

I appologise if that appeared incoherant, but it will probably get worse. One of the reasons I am critical of morals is, although important in the holding together of society on the common ground, they are always changing from the state of right to wrong. This makes me believe that there are very few common themes running through time, that are absolute enough to justify morals absolutely.

I would illustrate this using examples, but I fear that I would be considered an immoral creature for classify even the "worst" attrocities as relative. The fact that I have to think this shows how much of an impact morals have. Imagine if within our higher education facilities, the greatest minds were sent along one track. I believe morality itself should be questioned by all capable, however, except in the highest education facilities, should not be either pomoted or frowned upon because only so many people could do it for society to work.

[Zanzibar]

Originally posted by lucid+Jan 28 2004, 02:07 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lucid @ Jan 28 2004, 02:07 AM)
Che [email protected] 28 2004, 02:03 AM
i didnt know where else to post

heres a question for you guys

Should your college education be a moral education, why yes or no,

what are the alternative ways in which it could be an education in morality
Who needs a college education if the government is going to give you everything you need to live? [/b]
Education is about learning not credentials. Or rather it should be.

At anyrate college/university has nothing to do with morals. It should allow you to expand your views, and converse with other intellectuals. Many leaders of revolution were exposed to this learning enviroment, to new ideas and concepts.

Morals are derived from what your cultural finds acceptable. Culture, and morals, are constantly changing. They are not hard and fast rules. Nor are they derived from any particular body. No matter what the Roman Capitalist Church, or any other religion/organization, tells you.

[Guest1]

Absolutely, morals should be taught in everye single subject, in every single educational institution.

The morals of our society. The morals of equality, the morals of respect for human life. Above all though, should be the moral of accepting diversity. So these morals would not affect someone&#39;s marks, they would be discussed and debated, and a student could disagree. It is his/her choice. However, these would be the morals encouraged in school.

Schools will always be agents of socialization, and nothing you do will ever change it. Morals will always exist, don&#39;t confuse them for laws or religion. The key is to know this, and create a moral code that is distinctly progressive and open minded.

[Pete]

Don&#39;t have a heart attack el profe, but I agree with you on all but your point on BYU.



Byu is a private college, so they can teach in whatever manner they want to teach.

BYU should not be allowed to exist as a &#39;recongized&#39; institution if it is a private university and caters to a certain group. I can accept them, to an extent, in Highschools, but universities definitely not. Higher level education should be available to all at all institutes free of superstition, regardless. No private universities should ever be allowed.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 02:07 AM
Who needs a college education if the government is going to give you everything you need to live?
So this means that education is only there for making money?
You mean that medicine, chemistry, and other sciences only exist because those doing so only do that to make money?
So this means that surgeons do such a "dirty" and "risky" (if they make a mistake) task to make money? Do you mean that they only pick this instead of a more "confortable" proffesion which gives a simmilar income because of money? How can you explain that many people still pick carreers they like even if they might face lower incomes than in others? People doesn&#39;t care about money if they have to spend most of the day doing something they hate, especially considering that such a profitable proffession will be shared by many others, so supply>demand in jobs...

So people will go around and do nothing when "they get everything they need to live"??? So people will not work even if it becomes obvious that EVERYONE in the society becomes lazy and doesn&#39;t work??? Are humans really that stupid, that they will not even care of the future of their children?? So people will be so dumb that they will not do something so that they children have medical assistance or the food they need to grow?
I don&#39;t get why you keep saying such a ridiculous thing. Such laziness doesnt exist, even if such a thing would happen in our ideal society people will end up doing something that will benefit society in some way.

Even if such a situation would happen, then people will see no food, no homes built, no clothes, no medicine, no doctors, no clean environment, nothing, and then they would realize their mistake...

Back to the education topic, the education shouldn&#39;t impose beliefs on people but it should promote freedom of thought and few values that can help society progress.