Jews ordered to register in Donetsk

[The Feral Underclass]

Well this is worrying

Separatists in east Ukraine town of Donetsk order Jews to register (http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/1.585897?v=864D863C0652AFBE10A4E56BC9B4E6DA)

[Sinister Intents]

Absolutely frightening...

[adipocere]

If this is worrying then you must be in a right panic over the nazi's who have been installed in the government.

I read that the separatists are denying it. I recall John Kerry bringing this up at his meeting with Russia and the EU. I wonder if Kerry's deep concern about antisemitism extends to the junta?

[The Feral Underclass]

Apparently it's a fake: http://www.dailydot.com/politics/ukraine-jewish-registry-fake/

Frankly, having suited Nazi's in relatively redundant positions of government frightens me far less than bands of armed Nazis roaming streets re-enacting step one of the final solution.

[Brutus]

No one is enforcing it, and no Jews are registering. Most likely some anti-Semites who handed out the leaflets. Not that I'm supportive of these pro-Russian "People's Republics" that have emerged.

Edit: TAT beat me to it. Damn him and his superiority.

[Onecom]

Had a feeling this was crap.

Proves that the junta in kiev will do anything to make the sepratists out to be the bad guys.

Yet the government can send its tanks out against its own people.

[DOOM]

Had a feeling this was crap.

Proves that the junta in kiev will do anything to make the sepratists out to be the bad guys.

Yet the government can send its tanks out against its own people.

There's no good or bad in Ukraine. Every side represents geopolitical and economic interests of either the EU/West or Russia. And both sides aren't really pro communism and working class.

[Bostana]

Oh my that is scary

[Bostana]

There's no good or bad in Ukraine.
Is there every truly good or bad
http://www.karenrauchcarter.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/yin_and_yang.png

[Marshal of the People]

I have a feeling that it was pro-Kiev people who put out those fliers, however I wouldn't be surprised if it were a bunch of pro-Russian anti-Semites acting alone.

People's Republic of Donetsk? Do these people even know what communism is and its view upon religion (since most of them are christian)?

[khad]

Already reported as bullshit even by the mainstream bourgeois press. A pretty laughable hoax, as the hoaxers couldn't even get some basic details of the provisional Donetsk government right.

http://time.com/67272/ukraine-jew-register-donetsk/


But even if it looked like the start of some racist purge, the flier was more likely part of an ill-conceived extortion plot or a propaganda ploy against the separatists. For one thing, the sign-off at the bottom of the flier — “Yours, the People’s Governor of Donetsk, Denis Pushilin” — seemed off. This was a reference to the so-called Donetsk People’s Republic, which was formed a week and a half ago by a group of armed separatists who seized the headquarters of the regional government. Theirs is perhaps the smallest breakaway republic in the world, as its territory is confined to that one building and a small patch of the plaza around it. Since April 7, they have barricaded themselves inside with a cache of weapons and demanded a referendum on secession from Ukraine. At the bottom of the flier was a reproduction of the stamp these separatists use on the press badges they have issued to journalists.


Denis Pushilin, however, is not the man who calls himself the “People’s Governor” of this pseudo-state. That would be Pavel Gubarev, who bestowed that title on himself in early March, during a separatist rally in the center of Donetsk. Three days later, he was arrested on charges of separatism and taken to jail in Kiev, where he remains. The alleged author of the anti-Semitic flier, Pushilin, is his ally and comrade-in-arms. But he has never gone by the title of “People’s Governor.” (His preferred title (http://ria.ru/interview/20140417/1004332758.html%20) is the “co-chairman of the temporary coalition government” that he and his allies declared inside that building.) For his part, Pushilin denied on Thursday that he or his organization had anything to do with these fliers. “In reality this is a fake, and a pretty unsuccessful one,” Pushilin told (http://russian.rt.com/article/28287) the news network Russia Today. “It was all done with Photoshop.”

[Slavic]

I have a feeling that it was pro-Kiev people who put out those fliers, however I wouldn't be surprised if it were a bunch of pro-Russian anti-Semites acting alone.

People's Republic of Donetsk? Do these people even know what communism is and its view upon religion (since most of them are christian)?

The People's Republic is just a name so their stance on communism and its relationship with religion is irrelevant. The republic is a nationalist russophile government.

Kiev or Donetsk Republic, honestly it doesn't matter if either one was responsible for publishing the flyer. What matters is that someone local to the Donetsk republic is pushing anti-semitic literature and is terrorizing the local Jewish population which is telling.

[Sasha]

Nope, the self apointed governor of "the people's republic" is the "former" leader of a swastika toting neo-nazi outfit. How typical that all the people screaming bloody murder about right-sector are now awfully quit or even believe these nazis on their word.

[khad]

Nope, the self apointed governor of "the people's republic" is the "former" leader of a swastika toting neo-nazi outfit. How typical that all the people screaming bloody murder about right-sector are now awfully quit.
If you mean by quiet the mainstream media calling it a hoax, you're right. There's no need for extraneous chatter when even Time fucking Magazine is reporting it as bullshit.

[Marshal of the People]

Nope, the self apointed governor of "the people's republic" is the "former" leader of a swastika toting neo-nazi outfit. How typical that all the people screaming bloody murder about right-sector are now awfully quit or even believe these nazis on their word.It's just sickening!

I think they need some freedom and democracy!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/B-2_spirit_bombing.jpg

[Slavic]

It's just sickening!

I think they need some freedom and democracy!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/B-2_spirit_bombing.jpg
I don't understand where you are going with this?

[Marshal of the People]

I don't understand where you are going with this?America attacking the Pro-Russian forces. They probably won't but they do want to. America attacks nations with the aim of "freedom and democracy" when in reality it just attacks them for oil, money, power, etc. with no regard to the human lives lost (as seen in Yemen, Iraq, Afghanistan).

[Onecom]

There's no good or bad in Ukraine. Every side represents geopolitical and economic interests of either the EU/West or Russia. And both sides aren't really pro communism and working class.

True enough.


To people who don't know, the flyers were proven to be fakes already.

[adipocere]

Nope, the self apointed governor of "the people's republic" is the "former" leader of a swastika toting neo-nazi outfit. How typical that all the people screaming bloody murder about right-sector are now awfully quit or even believe these nazis on their word.

Care to share your source?

[Skyhilist]

Proves that the junta in kiev will do anything to make the sepratists out to be the bad guys.

Are you a separatist?

[Sasha]

Care to share your source?

Its sourced in gubarevs wiki; " Gubarev was a member of the neo-Nazi Russian National Unity paramilitary group. [5][6][7][8] ."
If you do an image search on him you find ample pictures of him wearing the swastika national unity insignia etc.

[tachosomoza]

Neither Ukraine or Russia are known as bastions of tolerance for Jews. Pogroms, Neo-nazis, etc.

[adipocere]

Its sourced in gubarevs wiki; " Gubarev was a member of the neo-Nazi Russian National Unity paramilitary group. [5][6][7][8] ."
If you do an image search on him you find ample pictures of him wearing the swastika national unity insignia etc.

I agree with you - little doubt that he's an ultra-nationalist/fascist. However, I think you are grasping. Even if Kiev wasn't stuffed with unabashed fascists currently threatening to "destroy" protesters with tanks - this one guy still would look a bit like a strawman. Note taken, nonetheless.

[Sentinel]

Its sourced in gubarevs wiki; " Gubarev was a member of the neo-Nazi Russian National Unity paramilitary group. [5][6][7][8] ."
If you do an image search on him you find ample pictures of him wearing the swastika national unity insignia etc.


This Gubarev really confuses the shit out of me, and no doubt of others too. The wiki page says he was a neo-nazi and that he is or was (it says both) a member of the 'Progressive Socialist Party', which seems like some kind of pro-russian, left-nationalist, pan-slavic etc - but also 'radically left-wing' - 'communist' party.

And there are indeed pics of him with swastikas floating around. So what I'm wondering basically is whether he has actually been flipflopping around from nazi to nationalist post-stalinist leftwinger (or the other way around)?

Does anyone know? And what might his be current views then..?

[Sasha]

I agree with you - little doubt that he's an ultra-nationalist/fascist. However, I think you are grasping. Even if Kiev wasn't stuffed with unabashed fascists currently threatening to "destroy" protesters with tanks - this one guy still would look a bit like a strawman. Note taken, nonetheless.

Stuffed is quite dishonest as well, while svoboda still has substantial amount of power because of their powerful base in the west of the Ukraine right sector leaders and members have been getting "accidents"next to plain old "shot while resisting arrest" at an quite remarkable rate, seems the maidan capitalists are doing a whole lot better job of taking out the fash than the "anti-fascists" in the east.
And with the deal made yesterday between the new government, the eu/us and russia that will forcibly disarm all militias in east and west in exchange for some autonomy for the regions "order" will probably restored pretty fast.
Which all I, might I say, predicted weeks ago and was laughed at for here...

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Pretty scary stuff, even if this wasn't official, that the letters are still distributed at all - even as a scare tactic - points to pretty high racial/ethnic tensions at the moment.

[Tim Cornelis]

Why do people keep calling the Ukrainian government a junta when it's a civilian and not a military government, which is rather the essence of a junta: the military part.


Care to share your source?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Gubarev

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

Nope, the self apointed governor of "the people's republic" is the "former" leader of a swastika toting neo-nazi outfit. How typical that all the people screaming bloody murder about right-sector are now awfully quit or even believe these nazis on their word.

There is quite a difference between one semi-delusional person barricading himself in a building with some of his followers - which is what the Donetsk People's Republic amounts to - and a, what was the term, "people's revolution" led by fascists with ample support of the we-support-anything-that-moves left. I don't recall any left organisation coming out in support of Gubarev, too - unlike the "people's revolutionary" fascists.


This Gubarev really confuses the shit out of me, and no doubt of others too. The wiki page says he was a neo-nazi and that he is or was (it says both) a member of the 'Progressive Socialist Party', which seems like some kind of pro-russian, left-nationalist, pan-slavic etc - but also 'radically left-wing' - 'communist' party.

And there are indeed pics of him with swastikas floating around. So what I'm wondering basically is whether he has actually been flipflopping around from nazi to nationalist post-stalinist leftwinger (or the other way around)?

"Red"-brown politics are nothing new in Eastern Europe. I don't think there is much of a difference between the more "respectable" Nazis and the more unhinged Red Alert pseudo-Stalinists - i.e. the difference between NazBols and the KPRF.


Stuffed is quite dishonest as well, while svoboda still has substantial amount of power because of their powerful base in the west of the Ukraine right sector leaders and members have been getting "accidents"next to plain old "shot while resisting arrest" at an quite remarkable rate, seems the maidan capitalists are doing a whole lot better job of taking out the fash than the "anti-fascists" in the east.

Oh, so the moderate Nazis are in charge instead of the extreme Nazis. Isn't that a relief.

[DOOM]

Is there every truly good or bad
http://www.karenrauchcarter.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/yin_and_yang.png

Well you've got a point. There's really no good or bad, but from our perspective, one can say that the left side is a good side :laugh:

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

The flyers may be inauthentic, but the anti-Jewish sentiments expressed in them are very real and worrying.

[cyu]

From Facebook:

Whichever side provides Jewish communities with a full arsenal of weapons first, is probably not planning anything (or at least backtracking from their previous plans)

[Comrade Jacob]

Turns out it was a distraction by a few right-wingers to avoid notice of the fascists in the west of the country. Thank Goodness for that.

[preacherman]

Turns out it was a distraction by a few right-wingers to avoid notice of the fascists in the west of the country. Thank Goodness for that.

There are fascists playing a major role on both sides of the conflict, its just a question of if they are pro-EU or pro-Russian.

Its still concerning that there are groups of people with lists of places where Jews live handing out flyers ordering them to register, especially in light of the assassination of a Jewish mayor by what was probably the pro-EU right.

petitions[dot]whitehouse[dot]gov/petition/offer-asylum-jews-tatars-and-other-ethnic-and-religious-minorities-ukraine-and-crimea/F6KsGm1l

On a side note someone sent me this petition asking for the US government to grant asylum to Jews and Tartars. ^

[Sasha]

Turns out it was a distraction by a few right-wingers to avoid notice of the fascists in the west of the country. Thank Goodness for that.

So the masked uniformed men who attack the 2000 civilians demonstrating in donetsk against seperatism today with baseballbats and ironbars where not fascist? Good to know, that changes so much, thanx....