Left Wing Militias?

[TheBigREDOne]

Are there any communist/anarchist militias in California or Nevada?

[Fourth Internationalist]

No, there aren't... Do you really expect there to be one? :confused:

[Lensky]

Antifa or the black bloc are the closest you'll get ATM

[Red Banana]

When people ask questions like these I don't know if they're just kind of over-zealous and naive or if they're just a really lazy cop.

Answer: probably not.

[Skyhilist]

Unfortunately not. You see, to become an Official Leftist Militia™ there are a lot of legal hoops that you have to jump though, and our comrades in California and Nevada just don't have that type of money or the time to gather the 500,000 signatures even. If you would like to form your own militia, please submit your intent in writing to governor Jerry Brown no later than the deadline on May 1st, and please make sure all balaclavas and molotovs are within state regulation.

Seriously though, there's no way with the lackluster levels of class consciousness that any militia if it did exist could simply advertise themselves openly to the public without all just getting locked up. I sympathize with you though - a year or two ago when I was new here I remember asking foolishly about "how to join the black bloc". Sucks that comrades who take direct action have to be so damn discreet. Good luck getting involved with black bloc or something like that though, as previous posters have said, that's gonna be the closest thing to a militia and generally they have to be pretty clandestine.

[tachosomoza]

No, the American militia movement is full of sovereign citizen types and racists/fascists/other nasty people. If you contact them and they find out you're a communist/left anarchist they'll probably shoot you.

[BIXX]

Antifa or the black bloc are the closest you'll get ATM


I hope you weren't referring to "the black bloc" as an organization...

[Comrade Jacob]

A new guy comes along and asks if we are armed and ready to kill...hmmmm...
I don't trust you...

[TheBigREDOne]

A new guy comes along and asks if we are armed and ready to kill...hmmmm...
I don't trust you...

Lol, I've been on this site for around 6 months, I just haven't made many posts.

[p0is0n]

for fuck sake people, OP isn't CIA, wipe the foam from your mouths and calm the fuck down, we're still as irrelevant as ever.

[Tim Cornelis]

for fuck sake people, OP isn't CIA, wipe the foam from your mouths and calm the fuck down, we're still as irrelevant as ever.

No one even seriously suggested that.

[jake williams]

or if they're just a really lazy cop.
You'd be pretty shocked how unsophisticated a lot of political policing is. It turns out that cops usually aren't actually the brightest.

[Xena Warrior Proletarian]

You'd be pretty shocked how unsophisticated a lot of political policing is. It turns out that cops usually aren't actually the brightest.

Just for that... you made the list.

[Ele'ill]

for fuck sake people, OP isn't CIA, wipe the foam from your mouths and calm the fuck down, we're still as irrelevant as ever.


given the prevalence of surveillance, investigations, raids, and incarceration, I think your statement above is kind of bunk


On that note The Black Bloc offices are located in down town San Francisco and hold weekly consensus meetings on which objects should be used to throw through windows. The meetings last about 10 1/2 hours and are closed to the public, you have to know the secret handshake to get it.

[PhoenixAsh]

for fuck sake people, OP isn't CIA, wipe the foam from your mouths and calm the fuck down, we're still as irrelevant as ever.

Really? So...I guess your handler at the CIA cleared him? :sneaky:

[reb]

Antifa or the black bloc are the closest you'll get ATM

At the moment? lol PPW in the USA.

[PhoenixAsh]

The Black Bloc offices

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edit:

Well...that came out different than it sounded in my head. So. Eh. Yeah.. : * T-shirt which you can wear inconspicuously because everybody will think you mean something else.

[Ele'ill]

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[Naroc]

Plus you get the super cool I <3 BB * T-shirt. For just $19.95 when you sign up today. Just send in your sign up email and we will give you the account number.

edit:

Well...that came out different than it sounded in my head. So. Eh. Yeah.. : * T-shirt which you can wear inconspicuously because everybody will think you mean something else.
Awesome! Does it come with a certificated Black Block Club Card or do i have to purchase it seperately? :grin:

[PhoenixAsh]

Awesome! Does it come with a certificated Black Block Club Card or do i have to purchase it seperately? :grin:

Yes of course. And a certificate of authenticity.

It is even laminated :)

[Naroc]

Yes of course. And a certificate of authenticity.

It is even laminated :)
Damn, that sounds like some seeerious business.

[AmilcarCabral]

I think that left-wing revolutionary armed groups like FARC rebels cannot really overthrow capitalist armed governments, because of a scientific realist fact that a very weak military force cannot conquer a powerful military force with just beauitul ideas. It is outrageous and crazy to think that a few armed rebels with lots of hope, and utopianism can overthrow powerful imperialist armies




Are there any communist/anarchist militias in California or Nevada?

[AmilcarCabral]

Dear comrade: Anybody who is into pro-active communist activism and is scared of the CIA, FBI and cops, cannot be a real leftist communist activist. Because that's like anybody who is into cycling and is scared of being hit by a car or a truck cannot be a good cyclist. Or like anybody who is into weight-loss and is scared of hunger pangs cannot lose weight. Leftists cannot know the word fear, because a real leftist is a warrior and a real warrior cannot know the word fear






Really? So...I guess your handler at the CIA cleared him? :sneaky:

[Prometeo liberado]

for fuck sake people, OP isn't CIA, wipe the foam from yourmths and calm the fuck down, we're still as irrelevant as ever.

Maybe the stupid or lazy cop quote was misdirected. Someone posts a query about militias and we should be blaze' about it? Fuck you, irrelevantly please.

[Q]

So, uh, let's make this post, you know, political. Or else I'm going to close it.

Orthodox Marxists do raise the political demand of universal training in the use of weapons (including advanced weaponry) and abolishing the standing army in favor of a militia system. Why? Because it weakens the capitalist state and strengthens the working class.

When Marx talked about this in the 1860's (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1865/02/12.htm), he called for universal conscription as a concretisation of getting everyone educated in the use of weapons:


On the other hand it certainly cannot remain indifferent to the question of whether or not universal conscription is fully implemented. The more workers who are trained in the use of weapons the better. Universal conscription is the necessary and natural corollary of universal suffrage; it puts the voters in the position of being able to enforce their decisions gun in hand against any attempt at a coup d'état

Of course, much has changed since 1865. No longer do we directly need to guard against post-feudalist absolutism and there of course exists a highly militarised hierarchy of states (often called 'imperialism'). Simply demanding this then today would run the risk of supporting NATO or the like. So, I think we need a double-demand:

For universal training in the use of weaponry through universal conscription; step out of NATO, for a neutral position in the international hierarchy of states.

This would, in short, aim to emulate the Switzerland situation which both has militias and a neutral position. In a socialist political context this would in turn mean that we need to think at least continentally. Simply putting forward this demand in the context of one of the European states, for example, would simply quickly isolate that state, make it a pariah.

[Red Banana]

So, uh, let's make this post, you know, political. Or else I'm going to close it.

Orthodox Marxists do raise the political demand of universal training in the use of weapons (including advanced weaponry) and abolishing the standing army in favor of a militia system. Why? Because it weakens the capitalist state and strengthens the working class.

When Marx talked about this in the 1860's (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1865/02/12.htm), he called for universal conscription as a concretisation of getting everyone educated in the use of weapons:



Of course, much has changed since 1865. No longer do we directly need to guard against post-feudalist absolutism and there of course exists a highly militarised hierarchy of states (often called 'imperialism'). Simply demanding this then today would run the risk of supporting NATO or the like. So, I think we need a double-demand:

For universal training in the use of weaponry through universal conscription; step out of NATO, for a neutral position in the international hierarchy of states.

This would, in short, aim to emulate the Switzerland situation which both has militias and a neutral position. In a socialist political context this would in turn mean that we need to think at least continentally. Simply putting forward this demand in the context of one of the European states, for example, would simply quickly isolate that state, make it a pariah.

You raise some good points, but this isn't what the OP was asking about. The thread is asking about the existence of leftist militias in the US southwest, not universal conscription.

[Q]

You raise some good points, but this isn't what the OP was asking about. The thread is asking about the existence of leftist militias in the US southwest, not universal conscription.
Yeah, resulting in a universal bashing of the OP.

Like I said:

So, uh, let's make this post, you know, political. Or else I'm going to close it.

[Multiaccounting]

I had no idea that there might be leftist militias anywhere in the U. S., as I had thought that communism was "eradicated" from here.

[Red Banana]

Why not just make another thread about universal conscription though? It would probably get more attention on its own since, as you've acknowledged, this thread has gone to shit (though it wasn't much better to begin with).