Quitting smoking...

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

What can I do to not have anger for no reason? I feel like I hate everything and it is taking all my will power not to punch my computer screen, set my trailer on fire or just start throwing things. Everytime I tried to quit smoking I felt irritable, which quickly became anger with no direction. What do I do? I hate feeling like this.

[Art Vandelay]

The only thing I've ever found to help is to substitute the compulsion with something else. Probably not the best advice, but its all I got and I'm sure someone will come and offer something more insightful. When I quit chewing, I used to chew sunflower seeds to keep my mouth occupied. A year or so later I started smoking and haven't been able to quit. Whenever I've went periods without tobacco, I've definitely become irritable as well. Have you tried the patch, or e-cigarettes? Both would help with nicotine withdrawal, which is what is causing you to be angry. Other than that, all I can say is try to keep yourself occupied. Sorry I can't be much help, but good luck, it'll be worth it in the long run.

[tallguy]

What can I do to not have anger for no reason? I feel like I hate everything and it is taking all my will power not to punch my computer screen, set my trailer on fire or just start throwing things. Everytime I tried to quit smoking I felt irritable, which quickly became anger with no direction. What do I do? I hate feeling like this.
swedish snus or e-cigarettes.

Snus works like hell, but some people don’t like the taste. e-cigs work as well, but some folks feel they are too close to real cigs in the way they work and so there is more of a risk of relapse.

In both case, you are not stopping taking nicotine. You are simply massively improving the safety of the delivery system. Hence you wont get any withdrawel symptoms including things like irritability.

The three things in tobacco that can hurt you are tar (causes emphysema and heart disease), nicotine (raises blood pressure slightly and temporarily) and nitrosamines (causes cancer). Of these, nitrosamines and tar are the real killers. Nicotine is something you only need to worry about if you are old or have a dodgy ticker, much like with caffeine etc.

with e-cigs it's just pure nicotine and vegetable glycerol.

With snus it's just nicotine and the actual plant matter of the tobacco. However, snus has been steam pasteurised and this kills all the nitrosamines. There is still tar in the snus, but since you are not inhaling it, it doesn't hurt you.

I use snus mainly with a bit of e-cig on the side. I used to smoke 50 a day and smoked for 35 years. If I can do it, anybody can, believe me.

Good luck with the stopping.

[Invader Zim]

I found that the nicotine gum, while unpleasant in terms of taste, was pretty useful last time I quit.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

The nicotine isn't what I want I just don't know what to do with myself without smoking and that frustrates me to the point of anger.

[tallguy]

The nicotine isn't what I want I just don't know what to do with myself without smoking and that frustrates me to the point of anger.
I hate to break this to you and I could, of course, be wrong, but it's the lack of nicotine that will be pissing you off. Nicotine is more addictive than heroin as a matter of researched fact. You will now have neurons in your brain whose only purpose for existence is to monitor your nicotine level and to set off cognitive and behavioural alarms bells if the level falls below your own personal "normal". All of the other behavioural habits that go with smoking are important but secondary aspects of the addiction. Smoking addiction is straightforward unambiguous Pavlovian conditioning.

[La Comédie Noire]

I've been quit about 4 years now. What I found helped me quit and reduced irritable moods was jogging and general exercise. I also found something to be really into for those tough first few weeks. In my case it was my old copy of Pokémon Red. :lol:

[Decolonize The Left]

I've been quit about 4 years now. What I found helped me quit and reduced irritable moods was jogging and general exercise. I also found something to be really into for those tough first few weeks. In my case it was my old copy of Pokémon Red. :lol:

This +1,000.

I quit over three years ago cold turkey. Exercise is absolutely vital, not only as it is proven to reduce stress (one psychological function of cigarettes as well) but also because it forces the body to process all the shit which cigarettes put in it.

Exercise daily.
Drink tons - tons - of water.
Eat well and keep your mind right.

After about seven days your body has passed the nicotine addiction and the remaining addiction which you are struggling with is purely psychological (read: habitual, like having a smoke first thing in the morning). Substitute that first smoke in the morning with a set of push ups and sit ups instead. Every morning. Re-condition yourself out of the bad habit.

If you've got a lot of pent up rage go to the gym. Or go for a long and vigorous run. Then, when you've exhausted your body, drink a shit ton of water and focus on something productive. You can do it - it's will power.

[tallguy]

This +1,000.

I quit over three years ago cold turkey. Exercise is absolutely vital, not only as it is proven to reduce stress (one psychological function of cigarettes as well) but also because it forces the body to process all the shit which cigarettes put in it.

Exercise daily.
Drink tons - tons - of water.
Eat well and keep your mind right.

After about seven days your body has passed the nicotine addiction and the remaining addiction which you are struggling with is purely psychological (read: habitual, like having a smoke first thing in the morning). Substitute that first smoke in the morning with a set of push ups and sit ups instead. Every morning. Re-condition yourself out of the bad habit.

If you've got a lot of pent up rage go to the gym. Or go for a long and vigorous run. Then, when you've exhausted your body, drink a shit ton of water and focus on something productive. You can do it - it's will power.
I'm sorry to correct you slightly. But, whilst it is true that the niccotine has left your body after 7 days, the psychological/Pavlovian addiction to the nicotine, and not just the behavioural habits per-se, will remain for much longer. It's why an ex-smoker, even after several months, can be fully addicted to the fags again after just a single pack

[Quail]

For dealing with your emotions in a healthier way in general I really would recommend some kind of creative pursuit. I find drawing and writing (fiction) are a really good outlet for me and keep me in an all-round healthier state of mind.

[tallguy]

Yep, drawing and poetry do it for me. Either that or making something, or gardening, or learning something new. The old saying of idle hands making work for the devil are true enough, minus the religious overtones

[Hit The North]

The only way to quit is to flush the nicotine out of your system by going cold turkey. It's painful but necessary. Good planning helps. I quit smoking when I had a two week holiday with 10 clear days on the calendar. Because smoking becomes associated with stressful situations, eliminating the situations that provide stress (like working or studying) is essential. I substituted tobacco with herbal mix and weed and retreated into my cave and engaged with creative stuff. The first five days were fucked up but after that things got much calmer. I used to be a real heavy smoker and never thought I could quit but I haven't a cigarette for over six years. Have a bad weed habit, though, so I haven't eliminated smoking, but at least I'm not smoking the deadly shit.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Personally I quit cold turkey, but there's a huge range of options open for people who want to quit smoking in today's world, from patches/gum/vaporized nicotine/other substitution options, to drugs like bupropion, to cognitive behavioral therapy or hypnosis or whatever etc

Smoking is a terrible habit which unfortunately seems to have ensnared most of my friends and associates

[tallguy]

The only way to quit is to flush the nicotine out of your system by going cold turkey. It's painful but necessary. Good planning helps. I quit smoking when I had a two week holiday with 10 clear days on the calendar. Because smoking becomes associated with stressful situations, eliminating the situations that provide stress (like working or studying) is essential. I substituted tobacco with herbal mix and weed and retreated into my cave and engaged with creative stuff. The first five days were fucked up but after that things got much calmer. I used to be a real heavy smoker and never thought I could quit but I haven't a cigarette for over six years. Have a bad weed habit, though, so I haven't eliminated smoking, but at least I'm not smoking the deadly shit.If you smoke weed, you may be discouraged to know that, in terms of tar, weed contains about four times as much as tobacco. So, whatever weight of weed you smoke per day, you should multiply that weight by four to tell you how much tobacco-equivalent-tar you are ingesting. Tar is the stuff that gives you emphysema and heart disease.

Weed also contains nitrosamines just like smoking tobacco. Nitrosamines are what cause cancer.

Of the three things that are in tobacco that are bad for you; namely tar, nicotine and nitrosamines, nicotine is by far the least damaging. So, in terms of protecting your from the worst effects of tobacco, smoking weed does not do that I'm afraid and, in the case of tar (if you consume it by smoking), weed is positively worse for you by volume/weight.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

I am naturally hot headed. I've been frustrated because things that were so normal to me I keep on fucking up on when I don't have a cigarette in my hand. I'm one of those people who heroin had 0 addictive qualities with me (same with meth)

I was thinking of widdeling a fake cigarette out of wood and hold it and put it to my mouth like I'm smoking it. That might help.

[Slavic]

I am naturally hot headed. I've been frustrated because things that were so normal to me I keep on fucking up on when I don't have a cigarette in my hand. I'm one of those people who heroin had 0 addictive qualities with me (same with meth)

I was thinking of widdeling a fake cigarette out of wood and hold it and put it to my mouth like I'm smoking it. That might help.

e-cigarettes. You get the feel and taste that is similar to a real cigarette. You can hold onto it, you can puff on it when your driving, you can reach for it when your stressed out. It has a similar feel and delivery system.

If it is a muscle habit you are struggling with ie. the feel and touch of cigarette when you need one, then e-cigarettes might do the trick for you.

Also if you just go full blown e-cigarette, you will save on money and reduce your health risks.

[Ele'ill]

I had luck with gum that I didn't have cold turkey/patch. It recently got to the point that I would forget to use the gum and not get a craving until the evening. But then I ran out of gum today and bought a pack of cigarettes to spare someone's life at work. Don't run out of gum until you're ready to stop using it. (generic 4mg, $7/20 pieces) The bonus is that I ended up immediately saving money because the gum for whatever reason would last a week or more instead of a day or two.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

I had luck with gum that I didn't have cold turkey/patch. It recently got to the point that I would forget to use the gum and not get a craving until the evening. But then I ran out of gum today and bought a pack of cigarettes to spare someone's life at work. Don't run out of gum until you're ready to stop using it. (generic 4mg, $7/20 pieces) The bonus is that I ended up immediately saving money because the gum for whatever reason would last a week or more instead of a day or two.

Where I live it is like $3.17 for a pack of 20 cigarettes. I live in the Carolinas though.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Weed also contains nitrosamines just like smoking tobacco. Nitrosamines are what cause cancer.

Marijuana contains cannabinoids (THC/CBD/etc) which have an anti-carcinogenic effect, though. Which negates the carcinogenic effects of marijuana smoke, at least according to some studies I've read.

I'm not as familiar with the effects of marijuana on risks of heart disease/COPD though, so I can't comment on that

[Loony Le Fist]

I've found that marijuana was an excellent substance for quitting cigarettes. Before then, I was experiencing lung pain and shortness of breath. I started to smoke pot and at first I did a lot of coughing. But I noticed that I started feeling better, and you smoke a lot less pot, than you do tobacco. My lung pain and shortness of breath also went away. After two weeks of regular pot smoking (once or twice daily), I stopped smoking the pot and my cigarette cravings never came back. But that's my personal experience with it.

Smoking anything isn't great. But I know for a fact it's better. The journal Nature published a meta-study showing that smoking pot isn't as bad and that THC has protective effect against cancer. It is also an expectorant, which is what causes you to cough. It is theorized that this helps to expel the tars that would otherwise sit in your lungs, as they do with cigarette smoking.

[Hit The North]

If you smoke weed, you may be discouraged to know that, in terms of tar, weed contains about four times as much as tobacco. So, whatever weight of weed you smoke per day, you should multiply that weight by four to tell you how much tobacco-equivalent-tar you are ingesting. Tar is the stuff that gives you emphysema and heart disease.

Weed also contains nitrosamines just like smoking tobacco. Nitrosamines are what cause cancer.

Of the three things that are in tobacco that are bad for you; namely tar, nicotine and nitrosamines, nicotine is by far the least damaging. So, in terms of protecting your from the worst effects of tobacco, smoking weed does not do that I'm afraid and, in the case of tar (if you consume it by smoking), weed is positively worse for you by volume/weight.

All good science, I'm sure. In terms of comparison, I used to smoke a half ounce of tobacco every day, whereas I smoke maybe a half ounce of weed every three weeks to a month. Whatever the addictive properties of weed (& I think I'm addicted to the high), unlike tobacco, I don't wake up in the morning craving a spliff and can function all day without needing to smoke it. Of course, as soon as the day's duties end it is one of the first things I reach for. In short, I feel like I use weed whereas I used to feel like tobacco was using me.

In terms of my general health (which is ruined anyway by 27 years of chain-smoking) my lungs feel better and I no longer get the heart palpitations I used to experience and I can once again hold a conversation whilst I walk up a steep hill. In terms of my appearance I am no longer saturated with tobacco, the yellow teeth, eyes and fingers and smell that used to mark me out as an addict.

[Quail]

With e-cigarettes you can also get vapours which don't contain nicotine, so if it's just the need to feel like you're smoking something, rather than the addiction to nicotine, then maybe that would work for you.

[tallguy]

With e-cigarettes you can also get vapours which don't contain nicotine, so if it's just the need to feel like you're smoking something, rather than the addiction to nicotine, then maybe that would work for you.
Yep, just buy a refillable e-cig, then go and buy some food grade vegetable glycerol from a pharmacist/specialist food supplier and put pure glycerol in the e-cig. After all, e-liquid is simply glycerol+nicotine

[Nakidana]

You're experiencing nicotine withdrawal symptoms. To counter anxiety and irritability, go for a walk or run. Clean up your place. Meditate. Do some work with your hands. Avoid coffee.

If you experience mood swings, go exercise. Be good to yourself, do things that make you happy. Talk to your partner/friends about how you're feeling shitty right now.

Most ex-smokers quit without any assistance, but if you used to smoke 10 or more cigs daily, you should look into medication e.g. nicothine replacement therapy such as nicotine patches, gum, lozenges, sprays etc. Choice kinda depends on how addicted you are and whether or not you've tried to quit before and have previous experience using medication to assist you.

I would not recommend e-cigs because they still emit vapors and particles and we do not yet know how harmful these are.

Take care. ;)

[tallguy]

You're experiencing nicotine withdrawal symptoms. To counter anxiety and irritability, go for a walk or run. Clean up your place. Meditate. Do some work with your hands. Avoid coffee.

If you experience mood swings, go exercise. Be good to yourself, do things that make you happy. Talk to your partner/friends about how you're feeling shitty right now.

Most ex-smokers quit without any assistance, but if you used to smoke 10 or more cigs daily, you should look into medication e.g. nicothine replacement therapy such as nicotine patches, gum, lozenges, sprays etc. Choice kinda depends on how addicted you are and whether or not you've tried to quit before and have previous experience using medication to assist you.

I would not recommend e-cigs because they still emit vapors and particles and we do not yet know how harmful these are.

Take care. ;)Most ex-smokers do not successfully quit at all without some kind of assistance and, even then, the figures are not good. For non-assisted smoking cessation, the relapse rate is 90%, the majority of which occurs in the first three months following cessation. For the various official nicotine replacement therapies, the rate is a slightly better, but not by much. The main reason being the legally allowable laughably low limits on nicotine content is such therapies, which are classified as medicines and so make big bucks for the big pharmaceutical companies. I contend that these state regulated limits are set deliberately low so as to give the impression of governments acting in the best interests of smokers, whilst simultaneously, minimising the chances of success, and so not putting at risk the not inconsiderable tax revenues from smoking. Big-pharma doesn't complain either because it means they get repeat custom as people go round and round in circles with failed attempts at stopping smoking. I do believe that something deeply sinister is going on here.

The reason e-cigs have proved to be so successful in smoking cessation, and so the reason why smokers are turning to them in droves is because they work. It's that simple. As for their "dangers", e-liquid consists of essentially two products; nicotine and glycerol. The nitrosamines present in tobacco (along with the many other cancer-causing agents) are completely absent from e-liquid. Similarly, with regards to tar, which causes emphysema and heart disease. The nicotine in e-liquid is already present in tobacco and so does not represent a new and additional risk to the ex-smoker. Finally, the glycerol is a major component of just about every inhallatory medicinal product in the world. If glycerol has hidden dangers for e-cig users, then why is this not made mention of for all other users of glycerol in their medicines? It's bullshit. The real reason why our various governments are sponsoring extremely dubious "studies" showing there "may" be a risk of e-cigs is very simple, they are not classed as a combustible tobacco product and so cant be taxed and they are not classed as a medicine and so cant be regulated to the point of ineffectuality and so drive people back to fags, which can be taxed.

It's the same with snus, Sweden now has the lowest rate of tobacco related illnesses in the western world and yet snus is effectively banned in the rest of Europe. Why? Because it's not combustible and is classed as a foodstuff, so no tax.

Given the the majority of smoking is concentrated in the poor as one of the many forms of self medication used by them to cope with their difficult lives and, given what I contend is a covert policy to keep smoking as the primary delivery system of nicotine and so maintain tax revenue, all of this translates as poor people's lives and health being sacrificed in order to maintain those taxes.

But, it gets worse than that. Here in the UK, it has been estimated that smoking costs the national health service, even at the wilder eyed estimates, 5 billion per year in extra costs of treating smoking related illness. However the tax revenue from smoking in the UK is 12 billion per year. And yet smokers (who are predominantly from the poorer end of society, remember) are routinely moved down waiting lists for treatments and operations, even if those treatments and operations are not directly related to smoking. All on the basis that if they are smokers, they are less likely to "benefit" from such treatment. Hell, if it wasn't for smokers sacrificially laying down their lives for their fellow citizens, and paying though the nose for it in the form of punitive taxes, we wouldn’t be able to afford our national health service here in the UK. Smokers should, if anything be given preferential treatment given their personal and financial sacrifice. Oh, and did I mention, smokers die on average 10 years younger than non smokers. So god knows how much is saved in state pensions as well.

The whole issue of smoking and how our various states have used and abused this addiction is one of the biggest scandals of our age.

[Nakidana]

Most ex-smokers do not successfully quit at all without some kind of assistance and, even then, the figures are not good. For non-assisted smoking cessation, the relapse rate is 90%, the majority of which occurs in the first three months following cessation.

I think we have different definitions of "ex-smokers". When I say ex-smokers I mean people who have successfully quit smoking, not people who quit smoking and then relapsed. If you meant the same thing, then please provide the source for your claims.


For the various official nicotine replacement therapies, the rate is a slightly better, but not by much.

The treatment depends on the patient. Not everyone is the same, has the same level of addiction and can be treated in the same way. As such there is no evidence to suggest that treating tobacco addiction with medication helps people who smoke less than 10 cigs daily, are children/youth, pregnant or users of snus. On the other hand there is evidence that if you smoke more than 10 cigs daily then medication is helpful, and for NRT, Bupropion and Vareniclin you can expect a 1-year smoke cessation of approximately 20% if the patient is optimally treated according to regulation and in the recommended period.

I am not familiar with how much the rates differ between non-assisted vs assisted in the latter patient group, I just know it's significant.


The main reason being the legally allowable laughably low limits on nicotine content is such therapies, which are classified as medicines and so make big bucks for the big pharmaceutical companies.

This sounds like a loony conspiracy theory more than anything else as the therapies do, in fact, work. The best results have come from treatment with Vareniclin or a combination of NRTs (e.g. high dosis nicothine plaster + gum).


I contend that these state regulated limits are set deliberately low so as to give the impression of governments acting in the best interests of smokers, whilst simultaneously, minimising the chances of success, and so not putting at risk the not inconsiderable tax revenues from smoking. Big-pharma doesn't complain either because it means they get repeat custom as people go round and round in circles with failed attempts at stopping smoking. I do believe something that something deeply sinister is going on here.

Lmfao! Wait wait, so let me get this straight; the "government" in fact wants people to smoke, so it deliberately forces pharmaceutical companies to put small amounts of nicothine in NRTs so that NRTs aren't effective? And I guess all the money poured into stop smoking campaigns etc etc is just an elaborate ruse designed to...errr...pretend they're doing something against smoking while in reality they're not?

What a ridiculous conspiracy theory. :rolleyes:


The reason e-cigs have proved to be so successful in smoking cessation, and so the reason why smokers are turning to them in droves is because they work. It's that simple.

No it's not. It's because people hear rumors that they're a new miracle cure and then buy them. It's all just anecdotal evidence, but what we do know is that some e-cigs in fact contain toxic chemicals, even the same cancer causing agents found in tobacco.

Now clinical trials are currently underway, but until we have the results I'm not stand here and delude people as to their effectiveness.


As for their "dangers". they consist of essentially two products; nicotine and glycerol. The nicotine is already present in tobacco and so does not represent a new and additional risk to the ex smoker. The glycerol is a major component of just about every inhallatory medicinal product in the world. If glycerol has hidden dangers for e-cig users, then why is this not made mention of for all other users of glycerol in their medicines? It's bullshit. The real reason why our various governments are sponsoring extremely dubious "studies" showing there "may" be a risk of e-cigs is very simple, they are not classed as a combustible tobacco product and so cant be taxed and they are not classed as a medicine and so cant be regulated to the point of ineffectuality and so drive people back to fags, which can be taxed.

Or maybe, just maybe, it's not a friggin conspiracy and the FDA actually did find carcinogens in some e-cigs:


Specifically, DPA's analysis of the electronic cigarette cartridges from the two leading brands revealed the following:

Diethylene glycol was detected in one cartridge at approximately 1%. Diethylene glycol, an ingredient used in antifreeze, is toxic to humans.
Certain tobacco-specific nitrosamines which are human carcinogens were detected in half of the samples tested.
Tobacco-specific impurities suspected of being harmful to humans—anabasine, myosmine, and β-nicotyrine—were detected in a majority of the samples tested.
The electronic cigarette cartridges that were labeled as containing no nicotine had low levels of nicotine present in all cartridges tested, except one.
Three different electronic cigarette cartridges with the same label were tested and each cartridge emitted a markedly different amount of nicotine with each puff. The nicotine levels per puff ranged from 26.8 to 43.2 mcg nicotine/100 mL puff.
One high-nicotine cartridge delivered twice as much nicotine to users when the vapor from that electronic cigarette brand was inhaled than was delivered by a sample of the nicotine inhalation product (used as a control) approved by FDA for use as a smoking cessation aid.

http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/PublicHealthFocus/ucm173146.htm



It's the same with snus, Sweden now has the lowest rate of tobacco related illnesses in the western world and yet snus is effectively banned in the rest of Europe. Why? Because it's not combustible and is classed as a foodstuff, so no tax.

No, it was banned after WHO in a study in 1985 concluded that snus was carcinogenic. Which it is, as it causes oral and pharyngeal cancers. It even says so on the fucking box.


Given the the majority of smoking is concentrated in the poor as one of the many forms of self medication used by them to cope with their difficult lives and, given what I contend is a covert policy to keep smoking as the primary delivery system of nicotine and so maintain tax revenue, all of this translates as poor people's lives and health being sacrificed in order to maintain those taxes.

Load of crap evidenced by the past decade or so of major yearly anti-smoking campaign.


but, it gets worse than that. Here in the UK, it has been estimated that smoking costs the national health service, even at the wilder eyed estimates, 5 billion per year in extra costs of treating smoking related illness. However the tax revenue from smoking in the UK is 12 billion per year. And yet smokers (who are predominantly from the poorer end of society, remember) are routinely moved down waiting lists for treatments and operations, even if those treatments and operations are not directly related to smoking. All on the basis that if they are smokers, they are less likely to "benefit" from such treatment. Hell, if it wasn't for smokers sacrificially laying down their lives for their fellow citizens, and paying though the nose for it in the form of punitive taxes, we wouldn’t be able to afford our national health service here in the UK. Smokers should, if anything be given preferential treatment given their personal and financial sacrifice. Oh, and did I mention, smokers die on average 10 years younger than non smokers. So god know how much is saved in state pensions as well.

The whole issue of smoking and how our various states have used and abused this addiction is one of the biggest scandals of our age.

This is true, people should indeed be treated equally regardless of their circumstances and how they came about their illness.

[Loony Le Fist]

In short, I feel like I use weed whereas I used to feel like tobacco was using me.

Great summary of the difference. Mind if I steal that? :grin:

[MooseCracker]

Materialist Dialectical view

Accept that your anger is justified. Something or someone has broken a core value that you hold (probably fairness maybe the lack of egalitarianism etc.). It's biological whether we like it or not your physical brain is going "oh there's that valid anger that i've been dodging by smoking to distract myself with the physical rush which allows me to calm down". Then your brain goes on to identify all of the other times that you've been wronged/ had reasons to be angry, it goes "oh yeah i know this section of the library it's called anger - let's take a look around".

You've been smoking to cope with this anger so don't judge it and don't judge your cravings - after all they make sense, who wants to feel all that at once?? Nobody! That's where the dialectic comes in - it's something that has worked/ actually it's just put off dealing with the anger a bit but, not successfully long term plus has a lot of negatives that come with it (i.e. shame from not being in control of the habit, anger that a capitalist machine has you enthralled etc.). In other words, it still needs to change to its opposite/ being smoke and craving free.

That unfortunately leaves us with the anger. There are lots of healthy way to deal with anger though = exercise, making anti-right-wing propaganda art or literature, etc. Come up with your own list and use it.

Finally - i don't remember how many years it's been since i quit and i don't care to but it's been a long time and besides cutting off all other options using Allan Carr's "Easy Way to Quit Smoking" worked for me. Do i still have anger and anger issues? Yes i'm a sensitive person that's why i declare myself on the far left. But can i learn to accept it and find healthier solutions? Also yes! i hope this helps.

[Hit The North]

Great summary of the difference. Mind if I steal that? :grin:

Be my guest :)

[ola.]

In my case, when I was diagnosed with severe PTSD, I had to quit cold turkey. I'd been smoking since I was a teen, but the smoking increased following PTSD. Not gonna lie, it was painful and stressful as FUCK having to quit cold turkey, but no other way worked for me. Which is why, if you're really considering quitting, its better to start sooner than later. The more you rely on the cigarettes, the harder it'll be to quit.