Fund Raising

[Hegemonicretribution]

As we are all aware, it is hard trying to make an impact on the cold, money obsessed world that we inhabbit. An impact will often require either funding or illegal activity, sometimes both. Now while illegal ctivities may work in some cases, in others they don't. Therefore various causes may well need money.

I thought about making a list of causes especially worthy of note, but though I would see if I could get this started first. If a long term commiment is difficult because of school or whatever, but you want to get involved in things when you can, then fundraising for a well organised group is an alternative.

Here are a few ideas to start it off, purposely not very original because I am hoping everyone can contribute something.

Discos
Shows
Gigs
Bag packs
Leg waxing

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Leg waxing for communism, great stuff. I the best way to raise money is to do it in a way that harms capitalists, and does not make us a capitalist. I would say making counterfeit money.

[Hegemonicretribution]

But the point of this post is that there are legal ways to support whatever. Some causes can keep alive the dreams et al, but there are some legal pressure groups that make a difference by playing the system This is a list of things people could do, easily, to raise money ffor whatever cause..bearing in mind most people are still at school or uni.

On another note, if there is a flood of counterfeit money those hit hardest are those near the poverty line, or with small savings. Inflation will wipe them out, whereas the welthiest will not be that harmed in real terms.

[dannie]

we should rob banks instead of just making more money

[STI]

Concerts are always cool (as long as you have a cool indy garage band playing). Playing drums/guitar/banjo/whatever on the sidewalk is cool as well, as long as you have revolutionary lyrics (assuming that you have lyrics at all).

[pedro san pedro]

theres already a lot of groups out there, many of whom are well funded. i have worked at a grass roots level, where i have had to use the methods described for funding -and thus spent a lot of time not campiagning at all.
i now work for a large ngo -for which i am paid- and while this has meant that my own "power" or "rank" has been deminished, i feel that i am contributing to something that is achieveing a lot more than my previous efforts.

back to the grass roots for a sec.....while i was working at an enviroment centre, we were able to attain a grant from the local city council. while i doubt that councils woulod sponser the local communist activists, i have also been funded in another "secret" project by a very rich and rather eccentric old man. paul watson started the sea shepherd organisation with a grant from the wwf. who are in turn funded by individual members and companies (inc. oil companiess!!).
finding a large sum means that you have the basis to get yourself started -sometimes it can take money to make money.

[Hegemonicretribution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 08:15 PM
we should rob banks instead of just making more money
Yes, but any costs will always be passed onto the lowest denominator...that is going to be lower classes I am afraid, you might be damaging them by fighting for them. This is where everything has failed before, forcing them to be free...that is pointless, they must choose freedom. There is no point in damaging them so taht they might be better off, because often they aren't

Anyway I said LEGAL ACTIVITIES. The reason is that people who are not particuarly political or involved enough for NGOs etc can still make trhe money for those of us that want to take things further. People very involved are likely to already have some idea of what is what...people off the street don't.

Here are a few more possibilities: :rolleyes: Sponsored...well anything (if you can think of any wonderous or original ones please suggest them.

As was said above, asking people for donations is possibly the fastest way to do something, although you have to be quite lucky or good.

Teaching for funds is good, guitar, dancing, how to use a computor...any skill you can introduce to people relatively quickly.

Massage stalls..I think my next action will be offering a hand massage for 50p a shot..They can be performed properly in less than 5 minutes each, and if there is a good looking person doing it people will queue up.

[REDWARRIOR]

I agree, robing ranks....ur only stealing capitalist commerce. U will hurt the Governement, bussiness, but not people's peronal spending money....remember in the term's of revolutionary action that illigal activities would be in the eyes of the beholder. Say, the capitalist pigs would say it was a crime, yet the revolutions would not, it's all where ur coming from. Ultimatley we would hope that the revolutionaries would win, and thus, the only records of the event of robbing banks would vbe written by the robbers themself, thus givin it a bias in our favour, making it not seem illegal. It's all on your point of view.

[Hegemonicretribution]

Perhaps I am different to everyone else. But the romantic ideals I once had have been put on the backburner until society is more willing for change. Illegal activities is not something we can expect everyone to do, fund raising is. If you fund raise for a group to rob banks then whatever...but the point here is legal, socially acceptable and effective fund raising.

Banks will pass off costs to people using them. Poor people with savings will suffer more than those with much cash. Those in debt will suffer more than others in the same situation but a higher income. Fact of life, you fuck over the rich, and at the moment at least, they will fuck over the poor with interest.

There is a lot of shit about seizing power this way and that. But face facts most people here are at school and the first time they are taken home in a police car they will be grounded with no pocket money. They may need councilling and then they learn that thinking differently is wrong. Play things straight for a while, entertain everyone and then you can slowly put fowards your agenda.

Bank robbing is risky, and takes a lot of time and effort. It can also mess up your life, a sposored walk or bring and buy sale for a left leaning charity will make everyone feel better and make a real difference to lives.

Those that sit around planning these illegal activities will either amount to nothing, or carry it out and most likely get caught. I don't think "It was for socialism and freedom you bourgeois pig, your honour" holds up in court.

If you still think that buy altering the past and doing underhand activities is going to get us anywhere you need to study more history, economics and develop common sense. The soviet Union, China, Cambodia, and to a much lesser extent Cuba, are NOT my idea of a utopia. Not as bad as they are portrayed, but the sun most definately does not shine out of theirs.

Illegal activity, abuse of power; the criticisms of past attempts. Positive and legal activity will turn people onto your cause. I would rather give money amnesty international or a fairtrade group that I raised through a bake sale, than £10,000 to a socialist party, that I acquired from a robbery.

[The Children of the Revolution]

Heh, bank robberies were fine for the Bolshevik Party! Under the expert leadership of Comrade Stalin, plenty of funds were secured for printing newspapers and the tea and biscuit pot.



This is where everything has failed before, forcing them to be free...that is pointless, they must choose freedom.


Then in all fairness comrade, why do you need any "funds" at all? If the funds are going somewhere then there must be an organisation... And an organisation needs leaders after all...

I see your point though. I'd never rob a bank of course, I'm far too nice a chap for that. How about producing a newspaper or leaflet or something? Doesn't bring in any cash, but if you charge people 5p or something for printing, you're spreading the word for free!

[Hegemonicretribution]

Publications are good, and can be proitable. Bank robberies may have worked for Stalin, but it is not his lead I wish to follow> If I am to further socialism, then I would rather do it in a way that would not be detrimental in the long run. Call your self communist and you are eveil and facing embargos. If you are a nation that truely wanted change, organisations having done the ground work legally, then the international community would eb more accepting.

I doubt even America will condemn large numbers of charities for going about their work. Influencing people legally, and giving them a choice.

[Adamore]

hack major corperations bank accounts steal the money, launder the money , buy guns and ammo , lay low , recruit activists, issue a wepon to them that u bought w/ the corpy's stolen money, and attack. :ph34r: thats the way

but fund raising is a good idea to get money to buy computers and other supplies as a front but dont put the money back in capitalist circulation thas all dont let them have it back cause a nother depression, but it will be a corprate depression
make them go bankrupt


corprate bastards :angry:

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

I would suggest making counterfeit quarters. It can't possibly be that difficult. Maybe for one, but once you start mass producing you could really get something done....

[pedro san pedro]

I doubt even America will condemn large numbers of charities for going about their work. Influencing people legally, and giving them a choice

bush administraion targets greenpeace (http://www.greenpeace.org/international_en/features/details?item_id=327510)

the american government is, sadly, already at it.

[Hegemonicretribution]

Greenpeace works against the sytem though. It can rub people the wrong way, although I do condone their work. Theyy are a grey area realy.

Can some one please sink this thread....I guess maybe I am just not the idealistic and self deluding revolutionary that most people seem to be. The year isn't 1917...we are not fighting aginst Tzarian Russia and most people are still at school. Do you have the balls to back up your promotion of robbery, counterfeiting, drug dealing, gun trafficking or whatever else you are all "planning to get up to." I wouldn't fund a revolution, I would pay not to see one until I knew I could trust the movements forcing themselves on me.

You CAN break the system...if you know how. You can even more effectively change it. However you can't single handedly hack ll major bank accounts and make everyone go bankrupt. No matter how well you understand Marx's economics, what we have at the moment does not work like that. Cause and effect.

Please lock this topic.

Or move to chit chat

[Adamore]

yeah u cant hack corps. single handedly thats u u make friends and put together a team of hackers and do it one by one ao three simotainiously*excuse my spelling* and yess i got the balls to traffic guns its just a matter of other people having them as well because u cant do it all by ur self i just need to meet people as "RADICAL" as i am SO dont fukin waste my time :angry:

[Hegemonicretribution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 09:46 PM
yeah u cant hack corps. single handedly thats u u make friends and put together a team of hackers and do it one by one ao three simotainiously*excuse my spelling* and yess i got the balls to traffic guns its just a matter of other people having them as well because u cant do it all by ur self i just need to meet people as "RADICAL" as i am SO dont fukin waste my time :angry:
I am like totally radical dude <_< . If I believe in something I know two things:
1..that I will go to just about any length possible that does not mean loosing site of the original goal.
2..that I know that emotions and eagreness can be counterproductive and I must take a step back and assess any situation before tackling it.

Assume I would join you and hack corporations at the same time. (regardless of probable insurance and premium costs being turned onto consumers...or the company cutting its workers whilst giving CEOs fuck off great pay offs...) and we bought some guns. Screaming "hasta la victoria siempre" whilst running at targets loaded to our teeth will achieve little. We will die and the press will slander us until people feel that death was not a severe enough ending for such terrorist wankers.

Think with your head. I beg you not to get guns now because it is likely you don&#39;t know what you are fighting for. I wouldn&#39;t resort to violence yet because it would be counterproductive. I also know that, least at the moment unity amongst the left seems some way off.

Even if you could abolish the current system with romantic bullshit and good intenet (which you CAN&#39;T) then what would you replace it with? How? Who will help you? Do people want it? Will it be better? There are many questions that need to be addressed. I am active now in ways taht have results now. I know that in high school you can spend even less time on these things so simple fund raising was an ideal way for peope to get involved which was why I started this thread.

Once again please don&#39;t hack corporations use the money to buy guns and rob banks then kill dissenters like me....you might hurt yourself :P. Save the feelings that you have and channel it into something possitive which is in my oppinion how the left needs to work now. Too much hatred and killing don&#39;t become a cliche because you are pissed off with the system and don&#39;t be pissed off with me for telling it how it is.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 09:46 PM
yeah u cant hack corps. single handedly thats u u make friends and put together a team of hackers and do it one by one ao three simotainiously*excuse my spelling* and yess i got the balls to traffic guns its just a matter of other people having them as well because u cant do it all by ur self i just need to meet people as "RADICAL" as i am SO dont fukin waste my time :angry:

Of course you can &#39;hack&#39; major corporations on your own. Although in groups it would be easier.
In fact many large companies are extremely susceptible to intrusion due to bad admins or lack of security, holes due to not patching etc.

Anyway its pointless and anonymity on the net is a myth despite what multiproxy may tell you.

As for peddling guns, I assume in the US you can just buy them with a licencse and generally in the developed parts of the world guns arent in huge demands. Do you think terrorist organisations develop links with people like us?

A newspaper or short publication explaining the ideas of socialism is a good idea that should raise a good amount of funds, plus freedom of speech guarantees that you can do it as much as you want, hassle free.

[Adamore]

i do know what "I" am fighting for and i will go to any length to get it but i only fight for my self
if other people got a problem they need to stand up 4 theyr self but if they have the same ideas as i do then they can fight w/ us.

[Hegemonicretribution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 01:16 PM
i do know what "I" am fighting for and i will go to any length to get it but i only fight for my self
if other people got a problem they need to stand up 4 theyr self but if they have the same ideas as i do then they can fight w/ us.
I agree, and I did have that attitude as well. It cannot be criticised and I appologise for coming acros as a bit of a tosser before it is just I wanted ideas for fundraising some of my projects, and for writing in a politics section of the Island&#39;s youth help booklet.... Illegal ideas can&#39;t be used for many of these causes, although they are good in there own right.

I am not trying to start a revolution yet because I am not sure quite what I want to achieve. I realise my weaknesses, and I know I change oppinions alot, although basics are the same.

I would not fight to the death for my own cause regardless of others...I would think I was being a little selfish. It is almost like capitalism, screwing over others to get where I want. Although to be fair I am not sure 100% what you meant.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Hacking corporations is the greatest money making idea that came out since the great money making scheme of the underpants gnomes was implemented.
Step 1 - Steal all the underpants
Step 2 - ???
Step 3 - Profit&#33;

[Adamore]

haha thats a good one midnight :lol:

[Hegemonicretribution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 08:09 PM
Hacking corporations is the greatest money making idea that came out since the great money making scheme of the underpants gnomes was implemented.
Step 1 - Steal all the underpants
Step 2 - ???
Step 3 - Profit&#33;
I have been stealing various gnomes on the way back fromthe pub for a couple of years now..if only I had known it was all in the pants :P ah well you live and learn, step 2 though...

Last time I will ask, promise ;) any one got any real, LEGAL, practical, low maintanence/cost, not too time consuming fund raising methods?