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Sinister Cultural Marxist
5th April 2014, 18:55
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/04/north-korea-misogynist-tirade-south-korean-president

""We accuse Park the *****""
"stresses the fact she has never married or had children"
"Old cat groaning in her sickbed".
""well over 60""
"Park put thick makeup on her old, wrinkled face and rambled on."

No state that so willingly lauds and celebrates the sexist derision of women and the marginalization of half the human race (and working class) can lay any kind of claim as a revolutionary worker's movement (alongside the other numerous problems with the DPRK).


North Korea launches misogynist tirade against South Korean president

Park Geun-hye is described as a 'cold-blooded animal' and 'little girl' in official newspaper after speech on reunification


http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/4/4/1396612843581/Park-Geun-hye-011.jpg The South Korean president, Park Geun-hye, gives a speech in Dresden, Germany. Photograph: Jens Meyer/AP

North Korea (http://www.theguardian.com/world/north-korea) has launched a vicious, misogynist tirade against the South Korean president, Park Geun-hye, after she gave a speech on reunification in Germany.
While the North's propaganda is often vitriolic, the highly personalised and sexist nature of the attack – the latest salvo is titled: "We accuse Park the *****" – is more unusual.
The three-part series, which ran in the official newspaper Rodong Sinmun on Wednesday, describes her as a lunatic, idiot and "cold-blooded animal". But it also stresses the fact she has never married or had children and claims she "jabbers like a little girl", in a string of insults presented as quotes from ordinary North Koreans. The subtitle of one piece reads: "Old cat groaning in her sickbed".
Perhaps to emphasis the youth of North Korea's leader, Kim Jong-un, it also describes her as a dotard who is "well over 60". Kim took power when his father Kim Jong-il died at the age of 70.
North Korea's first reference to Park after she came to power last spring sniped at her "venomous swish of skirt (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/nkorea-criticizes-skorea-prezs-swish-skirt)", employing a phrase used to disparage women seen as acting aggressively.
But this week the country has stepped up its attacks in the wake of her speech on inter-Korean relations in Dresden. The official news agency KCNA compared her to a babbling peasant and wrote: "Park put thick makeup on her old, wrinkled face and rambled on."
Seoul urged Pyongyang to "act discreetly", AFP reported, adding: "The North is showing senseless behaviour in using unspeakable language to attack our head of state's diplomatic activities."
Rüdiger Frank, an expert on the North at the University of Vienna, said that as the South Korean president, Park was unlikely to be treated kindly by the North's media.
"But this is a new dimension of name-calling and language, and you wonder what it means," he added.
He noted that it was in part a reaction to Park's recent speech on inter-Korean relations in Dresden. "They were a bit unhappy over the repetition of attempts by [her predecessor] Lee Myong-bak to say: 'If you behave, we will pay you well,'" he said.
The North also resents the joint military drills by the US and South Korea (http://www.theguardian.com/world/south-korea) each spring. Its initial reaction was relatively subdued this year, but earlier this week, it exchanged fire with the South close to a disputed sea border.
"Kim Jong-un is showing his impatience with what North Koreans regard as provocation," Frank said.
Pyongyang also appears to be preparing the ground for a fourth nuclear detonation, having warned that it plans a "new kind" of nuclear test.
"That means creating the impression that the enemies who surround them are stepping up their efforts at attacking North Korea and this is justified self-defence," suggested Frank. "They want a fourth test and now they need a good reason to actually conduct it."
He suggested the Ukraine crisis had also "created an environment where North Korea feels much more comfortable … It's no longer them versus the rest of the world, but two camps emerging."
It may also be encouraged by its improving relations with Japan.
Andrei Lankov, a specialist in Korean studies at Kookmin University, said Pyongyang still sought aid from Seoul and was "annoyed with Park Geun-hye because she is not bringing the money they wanted".
He added that her Dresden speech – which promised huge investment if the North abandoned its nuclear weapons programme – was "in a long tradition of gratuitous proposals from both North and South, which have some caveats or conditions which are clearly unacceptable for the other side".
One of the Rodong Sinmun articles points to Park's father, the late dictator Park Chung-hee, warning: "Like father like daughter, this proverb just suits the case of the notorious Parks in a very bad sense."
Park's mother was murdered by a pro-North-Korean assassin (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/28/us-korea-politics-park-idUSBRE87R15W20120828) aiming at her husband in 1974. "It seems they hate Park Geun-hye [but] not only because of her origins – it seems highly likely in the depths of their heart they have a grudging admiration for Park Chung-hee," said Lankov.
"The other reason is because she is a woman. We are talking about a very chauvinist culture.
"While in the unofficial black market economy, women are very powerful (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/dec/11/women-north-korea-men-jobs), in the official sphere you cannot see any women except a few in token jobs created for propaganda purposes.
"[A woman's] proper place is to serve her husband and family and in-laws, and she is incapable of doing anything … It's an inborn male chauvinism probably strengthened by the experiences of the Kim family, who are notorious womanisers and obviously tend to look at women very pragmatically and physiologically."
In 2009, the North's foreign ministry described the then US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, as a "funny lady" (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jul/23/north-korea-asean-clinton) who looked like a primary schoolgirl or "a pensioner going shopping".

Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist
5th April 2014, 19:20
Coincidentally enough I posted this on facebook yesterday. Yea of all the possible things one could accuse park of the fact that they accuse her of being a poor mother is pretty sexist considering the possibility she rigged the previous elections, the banning of opposition parties, walking in the footsteps of her military dictator bloodline, and being an American puppet. I mean it's not that by a long shot they had nothing else to go with.



No state that so willingly lauds and celebrates the sexist derision of women and the marginalization of half the human race (and working class) can lay any kind of claim as a revolutionary worker's movement (alongside the other numerous problems with the DPRK)
I wouldn't go as far as to say this, plenty of people "within the revolutionary worker's movement" have made problematic statements before that were worse than this. I'd imagine Marx and Engels joking that Lassese was a homosexual nigger loving jew was worse than this. What excludes the DPRK from the worker's movement is it's actual treatment of woman. I wouldn't criticize the DPRK so much if it was born yesterday and the status of woman was bad, but the plain fact is that they've been on this earth for 80 years now and their historical projectory has placed them farther and farther from woman's liberation rather than closer. espectually in light of the fact that in the last decade they've banned woman from driving cars, limited their hair styles to ten pre-selected styles, and only recently removed the ban on jeans, and really that's only the tiniest tip of the iceberg for what Korean woman have to suffer

adipocere
5th April 2014, 22:20
The only problem I have with stories that claim to come from KCNA is that they are linked from KCNA.co.jp (http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-e.htm) (English language website in Japan) and not KCNA.kp (http://www.kcna.kp/kcna.user.home.retrieveHomeInfoList.kcmsf;jsession id=A2EEE53825F340D887182A638D8D080D?lang=eng#this) which is the official state media outlet that has all the stories in English. Some of the stories match, not all of them do. It makes as much sense (maybe even less considering Japans historical relationship with Korea) as the US using Russia to host a weird text only 1998 version of Voice of America.
I suspect that it's a spoofing website because the real official N.K. sites (http://www.korea-dpr.com/) make no claim to it - that I can find. Which if my suspicions are true means that the bar of journalism is lower than I had even imagined.

RedHal
5th April 2014, 22:28
true or not, sensational news about the DPRK gets liberals and soft lefts in a frenzy. While, the former dictator's daughter, Park Geun-hye's crackdown on the ROK left gets hardly a mention by the libs and soft lefts.

Workers-Control-Over-Prod
5th April 2014, 22:40
Nice to see the Guardian continue flying the flag of human liberation :rolleyes:

http://revlib-pdf-edition.com-download.net/productImg/Business-Finance/RevLib-PDF-Edition/revlib.jpg

Creative Destruction
5th April 2014, 23:13
The only problem I have with stories that claim to come from KCNA is that they are linked from KCNA.co.jp (http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-e.htm) (English language website in Japan) and not KCNA.kp (http://www.kcna.kp/kcna.user.home.retrieveHomeInfoList.kcmsf;jsession id=A2EEE53825F340D887182A638D8D080D?lang=eng#this) which is the official state media outlet that has all the stories in English. Some of the stories match, not all of them do. It makes as much sense (maybe even less considering Japans historical relationship with Korea) as the US using Russia to host a weird text only 1998 version of Voice of America.
I suspect that it's a spoofing website because the real official N.K. sites (http://www.korea-dpr.com/) make no claim to it - that I can find. Which if my suspicions are true means that the bar of journalism is lower than I had even imagined.

The Guardian articles make reference to the Rodong Sinmun paper. I went there, and the English website has no reference to this language. But when you run the Korean site through a translator, three pretty questionable articles come up, which come close to using the language described in the Guardian article:

http://www.rodong.rep.kp/ko/index.php?strPageID=SF01_02_01&newsID=2014-04-02-0015&chAction=T
http://www.rodong.rep.kp/ko/index.php?strPageID=SF01_02_01&newsID=2014-04-02-0016&chAction=T
http://www.rodong.rep.kp/ko/index.php?strPageID=SF01_02_01&newsID=2014-04-02-0017&chAction=T

It's kind of funny how something like Google translate garbles the text, but it's clear enough that they are using sexist terms to refer to Park.

lol:


hye gegeopum mouth to bite, no matter how our republic if it's old and sick with cancer heoltteut willing slender cat inaudible moan robake . hye straight Allah we fuck young college students and emission of Park Geun-hye's mangbal never forgive the cost will not be able to take toktokhi.

Psycho P and the Freight Train
5th April 2014, 23:35
true or not, sensational news about the DPRK gets liberals and soft lefts in a frenzy. While, the former dictator's daughter, Park Geun-hye's crackdown on the ROK left gets hardly a mention by the libs and soft lefts.

The reason that gets hardly a mention is because no leftists defend the ROK. There are leftists who defend the DPRK, so that is why people rightfully jump to criticize them. Criticizing South Korea would be preaching to the choir.

It is true that there are a lot of sensationalist stories about the DPRK, and I am the last person to trust Western media, but I don't think it's fair to call people who get upset by actions of the regime "soft leftists."

Alexios
6th April 2014, 00:34
when in doubt, cry 'propaganda!'

Prometeo liberado
6th April 2014, 05:34
when in doubt, cry 'propaganda!'

Or just throw out all sense of critical analysis and jump on the nearest boat destined to "let others do my thinking for me" island.

Vladimir Innit Lenin
6th April 2014, 08:15
Or just throw out all sense of critical analysis and jump on the nearest boat destined to "let others do my thinking for me" island.

True, although rednoise's post throws some more light on the OP and corroborates that the DPRK has used such questionable language in other articles, which would tend to suggest there is more than an ounce of reliability to the OP source.

Sinister Cultural Marxist
6th April 2014, 08:40
I wouldn't go as far as to say this, plenty of people "within the revolutionary worker's movement" have made problematic statements before that were worse than this. I'd imagine Marx and Engels joking that Lassese was a homosexual nigger loving jew was worse than this.

That is certainly true - but I think the fact that this is their major political news sources and the fact that they have had a decade and a half to respond to the unfolding of the worker's rights movements among women and minorities makes the statements somewhat more troubling than the racist humor of Marx and Engels.


What excludes the DPRK from the worker's movement is it's actual treatment of woman. I wouldn't criticize the DPRK so much if it was born yesterday and the status of woman was bad, but the plain fact is that they've been on this earth for 80 years now and their historical projectory has placed them farther and farther from woman's liberation rather than closer. espectually in light of the fact that in the last decade they've banned woman from driving cars, limited their hair styles to ten pre-selected styles, and only recently removed the ban on jeans, and really that's only the tiniest tip of the iceberg for what Korean woman have to sufferI would think that such codes and the nonsense in the article are indicative of the same misogynistic core.


true or not, sensational news about the DPRK gets liberals and soft lefts in a frenzy. While, the former dictator's daughter, Park Geun-hye's crackdown on the ROK left gets hardly a mention by the libs and soft lefts.


Nice to see the Guardian continue flying the flag of human liberation :rolleyes:

http://revlib-pdf-edition.com-download.net/productImg/Business-Finance/RevLib-PDF-Edition/revlib.jpg

Of course the fucking Stalinist pricks say that criticizing misogyny is "liberalism". Of all the things to criticize RoK for, the DPRK picks the fact that they are led by a childless mother who like all people suffers from the inevitable reality of aging (which for some reason is morally worse for women to do - I wonder if the DPRK's press mentions the fugly wrinkles of the late old Kim Jong Il). And you two assholes see this as worthy of defending, and anyone who brings it up as "liberal"? If you had it your way, this would me "MindlessTankieLeft"

Anglo-Saxon Philistine
6th April 2014, 11:45
The Guardian articles make reference to the Rodong Sinmun paper. I went there, and the English website has no reference to this language. But when you run the Korean site through a translator, three pretty questionable articles come up, which come close to using the language described in the Guardian article:

http://www.rodong.rep.kp/ko/index.php?strPageID=SF01_02_01&newsID=2014-04-02-0015&chAction=T
http://www.rodong.rep.kp/ko/index.php?strPageID=SF01_02_01&newsID=2014-04-02-0016&chAction=T
http://www.rodong.rep.kp/ko/index.php?strPageID=SF01_02_01&newsID=2014-04-02-0017&chAction=T

It's kind of funny how something like Google translate garbles the text, but it's clear enough that they are using sexist terms to refer to Park.

lol:
hye gegeopum mouth to bite, no matter how our republic if it's old and sick with cancer heoltteut willing slender cat inaudible moan robake . hye straight Allah we fuck young college students and emission of Park Geun-hye's mangbal never forgive the cost will not be able to take toktokhi.

No, to be honest I don't think anything is clear from the fairly garbled translation, and even if we had a literal translation, we would be missing the cultural context (i.e. terms with misogynist connotations might appear "neutral" in literal translation). That said, and as much as I am generally wary of claims that the DPRK does this or that, I don't think the original claim is that implausible.

However:


The reason that gets hardly a mention is because no leftists defend the ROK. There are leftists who defend the DPRK, so that is why people rightfully jump to criticize them.

Now, the most consistent "defenders" of the DPRK on this site are the Marcyists (sorry, Leftsolidarity, but I don't think there is another name for the successors of the old Marcy-Copeland current), who generally consider the DPRK "socialist" (and their definition of socialism seems to be close to that of Stalin and Bukharin, so they don't consider the DPRK to have reached the communist society), but most of them, from my experience, admit that the DPRK has serious problems. But they are a minority on this site. Most people that "defend the DPRK" defend it against imperialist intervention, and some (in fact this is officially the line of almost every Trotskyist organisation) defend the state-owned, planned economy. This does not mean any of us think North Korea is some sort of paradise.

Sasha
6th April 2014, 12:35
Crypto-fascist patriarchal hereditary military dictatorship that dissapears whole families into gulags uses misogynistic language against opponent! next up, water comes out as wet!

Alexios
6th April 2014, 17:14
Or just throw out all sense of critical analysis and jump on the nearest boat destined to "let others do my thinking for me" island.

Yep because anyone can look through your post history and just see a plethora of insightful, well-thought-out arguments....

Alexios
6th April 2014, 17:21
Nice to see the Guardian continue flying the flag of human liberation :rolleyes:

http://revlib-pdf-edition.com-download.net/productImg/Business-Finance/RevLib-PDF-Edition/revlib.jpg

What are you even trying to say with this? Speaking out against misogyny is liberalism? The DPRK is one of the most racist and reactionary states on earth, and there is plenty of real evidence to document this. If you think it's off the mark to think they could be spewing misogynist propaganda against the ROK president (who probably gets plenty of it from within her own country), then you really need to get your head out of your ass.

Sendo
7th April 2014, 15:29
I can translate into English if someone can copy-paste the text in Korean into the the thread. I can get around the North Korea filters but it's a bit of a pain (having to use a certain computer at a research centre to make sure I'm not trading information with my handlers in the North....or use Tor stuff. I don't have time for either but I can translate if someone provides the text.)

Also, I'm an official volunteer/organizer with the May 18th foundation in Gwangju, huzzah. (for anyone who follows the specifics of Korean politics and political geography...it's more complicated than South=imperialist and North=communist, basically I'm living in the one wholly and consistently anti-Park area of the country)

Lensky
8th April 2014, 04:36
Crypto-fascist patriarchal hereditary military dictatorship

catchphrase

Prometeo liberado
8th April 2014, 06:05
Yep because anyone can look through your post history and just see a plethora of insightful, well-thought-out arguments....

Yes, my post history.:rolleyes:

Ismail
3rd May 2014, 15:16
Apparently calling the South Korean President a "*****" wasn't enough, DPRK materials seem to be going in an intentionally offensive direction or something. Proof (http://www.kcna.co.jp/item/2014/201404/news22/20140422-02ee.html):


Pyongyang, April 22 (KCNA) -- Michael Kirby, chairman of the "Commission of Inquiry (CI)" on human rights situation in the DPRK, called a press conference at the UN headquarters on April 17.

He told reporters of different countries, skeptical about the truth of CI's "human rights report", that it was based on "testimonies" by "defectors". With such awkward excuse, he asserted it is high time that a UNSC was called to discuss the DPRK's "human rights issue" and bring it to the International Criminal Court...

As for Kirby who took the lead in cooking the "report", he is a disgusting old lecher with a 40-odd-year-long career of homosexuality. He is now over seventy, but he is still anxious to get married to his homosexual partner.

This practice can never be found in the DPRK boasting of the sound mentality and good morals, and homosexuality has become a target of public criticism even in Western countries, too. In fact, it is ridiculous for such gay to sponsor dealing with others' human rights issue.According to the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/04/22/north-korean-state-media-slams-u-n-human-rights-report-because-it-was-led-by-a-gay-man/),

the use of homophobic insults seems exceptional, even for North Korea: A quick search of KCNA appears to show that this is the first time the agency has used the word "homosexual" since the agency went online. Officially, homosexuality doesn't exist in North Korea, and there appear to be no laws on the books banning it. In the rare moments it is acknowledged, it is viewed negatively. In an article for NK News published last year, Oliver Hotham wrote that many North Koreans have little knowledge of homosexuality, and it is often viewed as a foreign concept.

North Korean propaganda is well-known for its flowery language, and insults against foreign critics occur with relative frequency. Earlier this month, the state newspaper Rodong Sinmun called South Korean President Park Geun-hye a “*****," and in 2009, KCNA reported that a North Korean official had labelled Hillary Clinton a "funny lady" who was "by no means intelligent."

Ismail
9th May 2014, 02:02
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2014/05/08/north-koreas-racist-rant-against-wicked-black-monkey-obama/

As The Post’s Chico Harlan reports (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/north-korean-screed-against-obama-illustrates-race-based-worldview/2014/05/08/9bc7a68f-7b71-4110-b4f1-85ae05c92777_story.html?hpid=z3), this piece published on May 2 almost escaped notice because it hadn’t been translated into English by the Korean Central News Agency (http://kcna.co.jp/calendar/2014/05/05-02/2014-0502-020.html). Thanks to blogger Josh Stanton (http://freekorea.us/2014/05/07/really-north-korea-called-president-obama-a-wicked-black-monkey/) we know the depth of Pyongyang’s racist hate. An earlier piece translated into English which called Obama a “wicked black monkey” is tame compared to what the untranslated harangue said. Here are some choice descriptions of the president.

“clown”
“dirty fellow”
“does not even have the basic appearances of a human being.”
“He is a crossbreed with unclear blood.”
Obama “still has the figure of monkey while the human race has evolved through millions of years.”
“It would be perfect for Obama to live with a group of monkeys in the world’s largest African natural zoo and lick the bread crumbs thrown by spectators.”

Sea
9th May 2014, 02:50
next up, water comes out as wet!

you're shittin' me

Vladimir Innit Lenin
10th May 2014, 11:29
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2014/05/08/north-koreas-racist-rant-against-wicked-black-monkey-obama/

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I wonder if there are tankies still willing to defend a racist, homophobic, sexist state.

Or is it too 'liberal' to expect a red flag-flying state to not call a black man a monkey? :rolleyes: