Get me out of America now!

[JudasMaiden]

Since I've been hearing about a financial meltdown(any sources that could suggest so) for the U.S/western world(including countries like Japan and South Korea) and I'm getting so tired of western society not listening to the problems and that they would rather listen to celebrity gossip, football, video games, or American Idol/X-Factor or some stupid shit like that, I'm planning to leave America. Also, America has become much more of a police state since 9/11/2001 and the average American doesn't care about anything political, let alone of the left-wing(they are also taught to see that Communism, Socialism, Marxism and Anarchism as threats to the "free world" in school and mainstream corporate media), so I almost certainly won't see any sort of leftist in most western countries, let alone America anywhere near my lifetime(I'm a High schooler by the way). Look at what happened to the leftist uprisings in Germany right after WWI. I've looked at 3 places where I could move:
1. Cuba (I've been choosing that place at a 60% chance to move there)
2. Venezuela (Probably at 30% chance to move there)
3. Africa(Well, not the violent parts of Africa, probably a 10%)

Are there any other places to suggest where I should move to?

Also here are a few questions:
1. As an American citizen(since the average American is barred from traveling directly to Cuba from the U.S), how can I move to Cuba, let alone acquire citizenship there?
2. I know that Americans can travel to Venezuela, but how can I move there and acquire citizenship there?
3. What African countries would you suggest for me to move to and are easy/fast to acquire citizenship?

If you have information that could answer the "move to Cuba/Venezuela/Africa questions" I presented to you, please give me the links/name of the information.

[Wittmann]

Move to Germany, I jut got back from there.

It's heavilly socialist, especially compared to Arizona.

[Atsumari]

You know what they say, the grass is greener on the other side.

[Sasha]

what do you have these countries to offer? stay in school, learn a useful skill/trade, then travel and maybe settle abroad when you can support yourself and contribute to society, the last these countries need are more white freeloaders.

[Per Levy]

Move to Germany, I jut got back from there.

It's heavilly socialist, especially compared to Arizona.

germany is not socialist whatsoever, what ever gave you that redicilous idea? germany is one of the major imperialist/capitalist powers of the world. and the dieing welfarestate doesnt make it socialist either.

@op: seriously? what do you want in those countries? cuba nd venezuela arnt socialist and if you cant speak spanish forget about it right away and dont think that the people there would be to fond of a yankee to live of their work.

and i dont know what exactly you want to do in any part of africa, since you probally dont speak most languages that are used there.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

Germany, as PL already said, is a major imperialist power, and is in no way socialist.

Cuba isn't that bad a place to live in, Venezuela from what I hear is so-so. Most African countries are very difficult to live in - extreme poverty and insecurity mixes with social backwardness in the former colonies.

In any case, I think that if your objective is to get away from celebrity gossip and insipid TV shows, you will be disappointed no matter where you go.

[Zukunftsmusik]

In any case, I think that if your objective is to get away from celebrity gossip and insipid TV shows, you will be disappointed no matter where you go.

If this is the OP's intention, the wilderness seems like the best option.

[Sasha]

also, just buy a cheap (or even squat) some abandoned real estate either in the middle of nowhere/nature or a down turned city like Detroit in the US and start a self sufficient commune there, Mohamed and mountains and such. Lead by example, dont leech.

[Rosso]

Although I'm from the Netherlands where the left still is a living thing I can feel you. I'm a high schooler too and also have a lot of fools around me (even including some of my friends). I can imagine that the situation for you in the States, as internet makes me able to connect with people out there, is even worse but moving to Cuba wouldn't be a good solution in my opinion. Cuba offers great weather and beautiful nature but for now isn't a better place to live (not in every aspect though). Just as Wittmann replied above, going to Germany/Europe would be a better solution if you really want to go abroad. For now just move forward by finishing school (ridiculous institute isn't it?), even if it means you'll have to sustain all those fools around you. Just nod yes if they are talking about how great money is and how thankful everybody has to be for the freedom and democracy. When we finished the shittyass bullshit a new world will open where we can focus more on the real important things (like communism) and learn to know new people who as us know whats going on in this crazy world.

[Red Commissar]

tbh if you're motivated more by what you feel is apathy or stupidity by other people you're not going to escape from that by moving to another country. All places have that. What you want to make sure is that you A. Really know the language of the country you will be going to and B. Have a useful trade, otherwise you'll have a really rough time being able to make that transition.

It's not difficult to go to Cuba despite the embargo. The legal restrictions on travel there are pretty much ignored by even American groups as well as Cubans in the states who pay visits. Mexico is a popular country to go through for Americans going to Cuba, which'll give you a visa in such a way that it is not permanent on the passport- as simple as a temporary page, most of the time as a piece of paper that you can remove afterwards.

As for actually living there, you need to bring something worthwhile to them. The last thing the country wants is some random guy from the states wanting to live there for the heck of it- many Americans who've gone to Cuba have done so to escape political persecution and criminal charges, like several Black Panthers and other radicals from the 60s and 70s, not moving their on their own volition. It's also not a good way to endear yourself to your neighbors if you come into the country with nothing to contribute and come off as someone with money to burn, and the government will view you the same way. What I'm saying here it might be difficult for you to get permission from the government to immigrate there and start up the process of securing citizenship, though visiting is not hard.

Venezuela I know nothing about as far as how it is to live in, but politically it's not going to be the left-wing haven you're looking for. Granted, it probably has the most "left" government of the various countries in South America but that doesn't mean the whole populace follows through with this- there's a substantial portion of the population who're fiercely opposed to the government and some who are blatantly reactionary. You'll set yourself up as a target fast by those right-wingers- you think right-wingers here in the US are annoying? Wait until you get a taste of right-wingers in Venezuela and pretty much anywhere else in Latin America. Private media is largely controlled by anti-Chavista elements so you're going to get a lot of nauseating coverage of political events there coupled with a bombardment of telenovelas and variety shows.

As for Africa you're going to run through a lot of variation on it depending on the country as far as overall stability goes. Stable or not, most of these countries have some extreme divisions between rich and poor, and are filled with a combination of corrupt political establishments and businesses given free reign to do what ever the hell they want. Their media establishment won't be any different from the states as far as entertainment and news goes.

You'll also find in a lot of these countries that certain social activities, clothing tastes, personality you may think are not controversial might not fly there. On the whole you might find that some of these countries are a lot more conservative when it comes to social standards.

Getting citizenship is a tough task for most countries- you'd have to check individually for each case through the country's relevant governmental department. Cuba'd probably be the hardest of all of them, Venezuela and countries in Africa are more open in their policies for citizenship. There's a chance that these countries might not allow for dual citizenship so you got to make sure all this is worked out if you're serious because it'll likely be a one-way trip and it'll be difficult to restore your original American citizenship if you decide to leave for what ever reason.

These kinds of moves can be pretty costly - in between the physical act of moving as well as fees you have to pay to get into the country legally and go through the process of securing a visa and later citizenship, so keep that in mind.

[p0is0n]

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[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

what do you have these countries to offer? stay in school, learn a useful skill/trade, then travel and maybe settle abroad when you can support yourself and contribute to society, the last these countries need are more white freeloaders.

While I agree with the general point of the OP being deeply misguided and having an insular view of the world as somehow fundamentally very different from the U.S., this sort of stupid shit about the need for "contributing to society" is exactly the sort of shit one expects from a nativist fuck as an excuse to keep people out.

[Sasha]

it was meant as an ironic nod to what the people in the west say when people of color come over here.
but obviously if you come from a privileged position you should first be able to hold up your own/have something to contribute if you go to places suffering. this is of course different if you HAVE to flee (the already mentioned draft dodgers, political dissidents ect etc) but just teenage angst is not a good reason, if you want to help these countries/people learn a skill they need there first.

[AmilcarCabral]

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We gotta move out of the redneck Tea Party, Sarah Palin American Idiot hell !!

Dear anti-USA comrade, and anti-USA brother: You are 100% correct about the redneck apathy of the american society. I love psychology, psychiatry, sociology and science in order to judge the behaviour patterns of people.

I think that most people in USA, the great majority of conscious adults of USA are so cold, so politically-apathetic, so social phobic, and so robotic (behave like robots), because that kind of behaviour script and pattern followed by all americans, I tnink came all the way back from the time of the british colonizers, from the time of Pilgrims, and the history of USA.

The way most americans are, so family-narcissists, (only caring about their own wife, and 2 children and not even about their distant families and distant friends) is another behaviour script dating back and imported from history until today.

So, having said all this, I think that the mysanthropy, social phobia, redneck apathy, anti-social behaviour, unloving behaviour, unfriendly behaviour, anti-politics behaviour of all americans are behaviour patterns ordained by the ruling class of USA. In other words: Americans are not mysanthropist and politically-apathetic, not because they want to be like mysanthropist and politically-apathetic but because that's the politically correct behaviour script of USA, spread out in the whole USA thru the theory of emotional contagion. Emotional contagion means that people tend to adopt the same behaviour patterns of the society in which they live.

Here is a short definition of Emotional Contagion: The phrase “emotional contagion” embodies the idea that humans will synchronize their personal emotions with the emotions expressed by those around them, whether consciously or unconsciously, and thus that an emotion conveyed by one person will become “contagious” to others. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_contagion)

So, this means that if an extroverted happy friendly person moves into a mysanthropist anti-social society like USA, in a short time that friendly outgoing person will morph into an unfriendly, unloving Tea Party Ayn Rand mysanthropist person, following the USA official behaviour way of life which is like the evil Tea Bagger Joe the plummer, and like most Hockey Sarah Palin family-narcissist moms.

I also hate having to live in USA, i am very extroverted, very communicative and in this shitty Tea Party Sarah Palin hell of USA, i can't find people to talk with. Most people in America behave like robots, are hyper-active and they care more about their green lawns than people. Americans love dogs, cats and lawns more than people (what a strange nation this Tea Party Saran Palin country is)

PD: So don't waste your money, time and efforts in buying Che Guevara T-shirts and wearing them in public, in wearing Rage Against The Machine political t-shirts, anti-war T-shirts, in buying anti-capitalism bumper stickers. Because the great majority of american stupid robots follow a Tea Party redneck-apathy behaviour script which is an impediment for they to notice any thing in their world outside of their family-narcissist House of the Sopranos philosophy feudalist backwards obsolete way of life. You can even buy a brand new Ferrari and your neighbors will not even notice it. That's the way americans are, I think americans need cocaine, amphetamines or extreme doses of espresso coffee to wake them up from their ultra-lazy redneck Sara Palin way of life !!


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Since I've been hearing about a financial meltdown(any sources that could suggest so) for the U.S/western world(including countries like Japan and South Korea) and I'm getting so tired of western society not listening to the problems and that they would rather listen to celebrity gossip, football, video games, or American Idol/X-Factor or some stupid shit like that, I'm planning to leave America. Also, America has become much more of a police state since 9/11/2001 and the average American doesn't care about anything political, let alone of the left-wing(they are also taught to see that Communism, Socialism, Marxism and Anarchism as threats to the "free world" in school and mainstream corporate media), so I almost certainly won't see any sort of leftist in most western countries, let alone America anywhere near my lifetime(I'm a High schooler by the way). Look at what happened to the leftist uprisings in Germany right after WWI. I've looked at 3 places where I could move:
1. Cuba (I've been choosing that place at a 60% chance to move there)
2. Venezuela (Probably at 30% chance to move there)
3. Africa(Well, not the violent parts of Africa, probably a 10%)

Are there any other places to suggest where I should move to?

Also here are a few questions:
1. As an American citizen(since the average American is barred from traveling directly to Cuba from the U.S), how can I move to Cuba, let alone acquire citizenship there?
2. I know that Americans can travel to Venezuela, but how can I move there and acquire citizenship there?
3. What African countries would you suggest for me to move to and are easy/fast to acquire citizenship?

If you have information that could answer the "move to Cuba/Venezuela/Africa questions" I presented to you, please give me the links/name of the information.

[AmilcarCabral]

Another great country full of extroverted friendly people is Spain (however the economy of Spain is pretty bad). Argentina is full of fiendly people, Uruguay, Italy, Russia are also great nations full of friendly people. However the problem of Russia is learning the Russian language which is very hard





Since I've been hearing about a financial meltdown(any sources that could suggest so) for the U.S/western world(including countries like Japan and South Korea) and I'm getting so tired of western society not listening to the problems and that they would rather listen to celebrity gossip, football, video games, or American Idol/X-Factor or some stupid shit like that, I'm planning to leave America. Also, America has become much more of a police state since 9/11/2001 and the average American doesn't care about anything political, let alone of the left-wing(they are also taught to see that Communism, Socialism, Marxism and Anarchism as threats to the "free world" in school and mainstream corporate media), so I almost certainly won't see any sort of leftist in most western countries, let alone America anywhere near my lifetime(I'm a High schooler by the way). Look at what happened to the leftist uprisings in Germany right after WWI. I've looked at 3 places where I could move:
1. Cuba (I've been choosing that place at a 60% chance to move there)
2. Venezuela (Probably at 30% chance to move there)
3. Africa(Well, not the violent parts of Africa, probably a 10%)

Are there any other places to suggest where I should move to?

Also here are a few questions:
1. As an American citizen(since the average American is barred from traveling directly to Cuba from the U.S), how can I move to Cuba, let alone acquire citizenship there?
2. I know that Americans can travel to Venezuela, but how can I move there and acquire citizenship there?
3. What African countries would you suggest for me to move to and are easy/fast to acquire citizenship?

If you have information that could answer the "move to Cuba/Venezuela/Africa questions" I presented to you, please give me the links/name of the information.

[AmilcarCabral]

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A manifesto against the whole Sarah Palin, Tea Party redneck apathy philosophy of life

Judas: You know I know many radical leftists activists, claim that the behaviour of individuals do have any impact on the ideology of a nation. But from my own point of view one of the main causes of why left-wing ideology is on the rise in popularity in the southern countries of the American continent is because latin americans are friendlier people compared to northern americans (canadians and USA-americans) who are stuck-up, self-absorbed and mysanthropist.

And one of the main causes of why nations with white europeans are so anti-communism and shifting to the ultra-right wing like Ucraine, Germany, USA, England, Italy, France etc. is because the ultra-individualist behaviour nature of white european is very compatible with the narcissist mysanthropist nazi ultra-right wing political ideology. While communist-socialism ideology requires extroverted, loving behaviour pattern (like the behaviour of Hugo Chavez and Luther King)

So nazism requires people to be assholes, and left-wing ideology requires for people to be loving, compassionate and humble. So that's why it is very easy for european whites to be nazis, while its easier for africans, chinese latin americans, muslims to support left-wing ideology

I've worked a lot here with Cubans in Miami, and they are very friendly people, even right-wing Cubans who are anti-Castro are very friendly, very communicative. And they are so friendly and open to new people. That if you go to Miami and you talk with any cuban, you can be their friend automatically. This is not case with european white americans. European white americans are very very unfriendly. And like I said in my last former comments, that most european white americans are very group-narcissists, family narcissists, they have a moral behaviour code like the Italian mafias and The House of the Sopranos, in which the members of the family of those Italian mafias are not supposed to have any relationships with people outside of their own nuclear family.

So by the way Miami, FL is another place you can move, because Miami is like Cuba # 2, even though many latin americans who live in Miami, FL. are right-wingers, I find them friendlier than even left-wing european white americans. The problem with Miami, FL is that real estate apartments and houses are very expensive, but it is worth it, because it is a happier city, happier place to live, than the boring depressive states of North Carolina, South Carolina, Kentucky (A Sarah Palin evil state) and the other states full of depressive mysanthropist americans. You will not find mysanthropist latin american, mysanthropist cubans. They are real loving people willing to give you their friendship if you move to Miami



Since I've been hearing about a financial meltdown(any sources that could suggest so) for the U.S/western world(including countries like Japan and South Korea) and I'm getting so tired of western society not listening to the problems and that they would rather listen to celebrity gossip, football, video games, or American Idol/X-Factor or some stupid shit like that, I'm planning to leave America. Also, America has become much more of a police state since 9/11/2001 and the average American doesn't care about anything political, let alone of the left-wing(they are also taught to see that Communism, Socialism, Marxism and Anarchism as threats to the "free world" in school and mainstream corporate media), so I almost certainly won't see any sort of leftist in most western countries, let alone America anywhere near my lifetime(I'm a High schooler by the way). Look at what happened to the leftist uprisings in Germany right after WWI. I've looked at 3 places where I could move:

1. Cuba (I've been choosing that place at a 60% chance to move there)
2. Venezuela (Probably at 30% chance to move there)
3. Africa(Well, not the violent parts of Africa, probably a 10%)

Are there any other places to suggest where I should move to?

Also here are a few questions:
1. As an American citizen(since the average American is barred from traveling directly to Cuba from the U.S), how can I move to Cuba, let alone acquire citizenship there?
2. I know that Americans can travel to Venezuela, but how can I move there and acquire citizenship there?
3. What African countries would you suggest for me to move to and are easy/fast to acquire citizenship?

If you have information that could answer the "move to Cuba/Venezuela/Africa questions" I presented to you, please give me the links/name of the information.

[Fakeblock]

Even if you move to South America or Africa, you probably won't stop feeling smarter than everyone else. No matter where you go, no one will want to listen to an angsty teenager talk about anarchism 24/7. Broaden your interests and try to relate to other people instead of treating them like ignorant sheeple, and someone might be willing to have a meaningful conversation with you.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

And think twice about moving to Russia or Italy - as much as I enjoy Russian and Italian culture, the far right in these countries is on the rise (and again, there is much cultural backwardness, particularly in low-income regions). Russia is particularly dangerous, from my experience. (The same goes for Scandinavia, I think. Nazis everywhere. And if you think about coming to Croatia, have yourself sectioned.)

[AmilcarCabral]

Hi Vincent: YOU ARE RIGHT !!, this world is crazy or suicidal. The ultra-right wing is on the rise in Spain as well (Look at how the current president Rajoy, from the right-wing Popular Party won elections in that country). The ultra-right wing and the right-wing are on the rise, not only in nations of european white and blonde people, but also in other countries of the world as well. That is also caused because the right-wing parties have a lot more money than the left-wing parties. And we cannot kid ourselves, we can't be romantic, and utopian about politics, politics is like any other human activity which requires a lot of money. Like the George Harrison song says: "It's gonna take a lot of money to do it right". Without money, without millions of dollars the left-wing is doomed, and the right-wing will always stay in power


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And think twice about moving to Russia or Italy - as much as I enjoy Russian and Italian culture, the far right in these countries is on the rise (and again, there is much cultural backwardness, particularly in low-income regions). Russia is particularly dangerous, from my experience. (The same goes for Scandinavia, I think. Nazis everywhere. And if you think about coming to Croatia, have yourself sectioned.)

[Rosso]

It is indeed painful to see many people drifting off to (semi) fascist parties. My grandma was one victim too. Capitalism causes a lot of horrible problems, problems that humans naturally want to solve. People can get emotional by this problems and follow the first buttplug that shouts ''something has to change in this country''. This buttplug often comes in the form of a frustrated dude with a painful childhood and so is his support. These people lack the skill of thinking further than their emotions, such a waste.

[Ro Laren]

Also, America has become much more of a police state since 9/11/2001 and the average American doesn't care about anything political, let alone of the left-wing(they are also taught to see that Communism, Socialism, Marxism and Anarchism as threats to the "free world" in school and mainstream corporate media), so I almost certainly won't see any sort of leftist in most western countries, let alone America anywhere near my lifetime(I'm a High schooler by the way).


Most state colleges have socialist newspapers...Not that you have to go to college, or that college is some sort of leftist utopia, but you can seek out like-minded people. Life is not high school.

You'd probably be better served by reading as much as you can and learning to have conversations with people without being condescending rather than angsting about how bad you have it in the US. If you want people to see things the way you see them, berating them isn't going to get you there. People are more sympathetic than you think.

[Tim Cornelis]

Ugh, I don't know if it's some sort of self-hatred or whatever, but some y'all remind me of the arrogant teenager I once was, with a sense of superiority because my classmates were just ignorant fools. Fortunately I quickly grew out of that phase. I also had 'plans' to move abroad, and like my plans, OP will not follow through on his. This is just angsty misanthropic bullshit that leads to an elitist mindset and corresponding politics.


celebrity gossip, football, video games, or American Idol/X-Factor

(Most of) these exist around the world.

I mean complaining about the USA being a police state, and then contemplating moving to Cuba or Venezuela.


Although I'm from the Netherlands where the left still is a living thing I can feel you. I'm a high schooler too and also have a lot of fools around me (even including some of my friends).


Another great country full of extroverted friendly people is Spain (however the economy of Spain is pretty bad). Argentina is full of fiendly people, Uruguay, Italy, Russia are also great nations full of friendly people. However the problem of Russia is learning the Russian language which is very hard

You've been to all of those countries?


Hi Vincent: YOU ARE RIGHT !!, this world is crazy or suicidal. The ultra-right wing is on the rise in Spain as well (Look at how the current president Rajoy, from the right-wing Popular Party won elections in that country). The ultra-right wing and the right-wing are on the rise, not only in nations of european white and blonde people, but also in other countries of the world as

I don't see why it's so significant that a centre-right party has won an election, or why this pertains to the rise of the far-right at all. But here's an opinion poll:

http://https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/ElectionMonthlyAverageGraphSpain2015.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/ElectionMonthlyAverageGraphSpain2015.png

[Lenina Rosenweg]

To the OP..I fully understand your alienation and hatred of US society..I feel the same way myself. I have felt much more at home and was much happier during times I've lived outside the US. I don't know if this is a good thing or bad thing. There are differences between US culture and even Western European cultures-the extreme individualism, machisimo, religiosity and general provincialism of the US contrasts with most other places. The US public education is easily the worst in the industrialized world....and you will pick this up very fast if you spend any time living abroad.

So the choices are Cuba, Venezuala or Africa?

Do you speak Spanish? This wouldn't be essential to living in the first two countries but it would certainly help. Teaching ESL might be an idea to support yourself in Venezuala although my understanding you need some sort of TOEFL degree or certificate.

Daves ESL Cafe is a good place to start if you want to teach ESL in another country. Thereare good rundowns on living conditions, pay, employers, etc.

http://eslcafe.com/

Both Cuba and Venezuala are societies under stress and while the culture may be much warmer than that of the US, I would be cautious in expectations. Cuba has been hard hit by the US embargo and is relatively poor. There are Europeans and Americans living there and there are a fair number of US students there. Im not sure if it would be possible to get a job there.

Venezuala is experiencing a high inflation rate and a high crime rate. There is a major right wing attempt to destabilize the country.Possibly you could find an ESL job there.

With Africa I'm not sure but I think it would be most helpful if you have some tech skills.Many countries are upgrading their . Kenya is becoming something of a high tech hub, an African Silicon Valley so if you can write code maybe you could land something there.

Transitions Abroad is helpful if you wanna work/travel overseas.

http://www.transitionsabroad.com/

[AmilcarCabral]

Lenina: And I think that ultra-individualism, avoidant personality behaviour, the Robinson Crusoe lone-ranger philosophy and worldview of life of most americans is even counter-productive for the physical beauty and image of americans themselves. Because I've noticed that most people in America are so "into their own selves" and have such a barbarian anti-social relationships mentality. Anti-social gathering, anti-social events, loneliness mentality, that I think that one of the main reasons of why most people in America are so fat, deformed and unattractive (except TV celebrities, models and stars), that most americans totally forget about their physical appearance, because the physical image, looking great and being well-groomed is not really needed in America because being in shape, in great physical attractiveness is only required if people have a high sociable lifestyle, a collective lifestyle and a team-work way of life.

But remember that most americans are totally anti-team work, anti-group, anti-social events. The only time americans are in group and socialize are on sundays on churches, and traditional american right-wing christianity brainwashes americans into the idea that they can eat all they want and get fat like pigs because the human body is irrelevant and satanic.

And i think that the hatred of most americans toward the human body, toward the importance of the body is also re-enforced by all the toys, gadgets and tools that americans use in the every day life to hide themselves from reality to hide their destroyed and souls (like SUVs, cell phones, digital TV etc)

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By the way, the USA is a great country, with nice roads, americans many years ago, decades ago have invented great things like cars, have done great things for humanity. The USA is a beautiful nation with nice roads, nice buildings, nice houses and americans are hard working people. Even Stalin in the book "The foundations of Leninism" said that we should imitate the american hard working spirit, because when americans concentrate on something people in this country get it done.

And I think that the unfriendliness of most americans is not caused by the nature of americans themselves. But by tiredness, the social phobia, the very individualist attitude of most US citizens who are not very communicative and not very extroverted and not very willing to meet new people (like for instance cubans and spain people), might be caused by physical tiredness. I think that most americans are tired, are too physically tired, living in USA is like running for 2 hours or like playing a hard basketball game for most average americans.

So I think we have to judge the lack of social skills, lack of friendliness of most people who live in USA from a scientific point of view. And I think it's tiredness the real reason of political apathy and individualism of most americans.

Because all humans blacks, whites, americans, chinese have the same body and mind. What determines their behaviour is the way they live, their daily routines, and most US workers have 2 jobs (regular jobs and domestic jobs, and lots of driving) this 365 days a year.

However I think that most americans even though they are tired have to change, make a change, before blaming Obama, blaming capitalism and blaming the ruling classes. Because there is no way we are gonna see poor americans organized into a large labor communist party rising to the White House if most people in USA continue with their group-narcissism, family-narcissism, bystander effect behaviour, avoidant personality (avoiding reality, avoiding and negating their own neighbors), and hiding in their coocoons (their houses) in order to escape reality.


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The problem of USA and the whole world is the people in the mirror: "our own selves", we have to change into loving humble people !!

We have to make a change, and I am guilty as well of being too egocentric, too narcissist, too stuck up and not humble and loving like Lenin, Mandela, Malcom X, Hugo Chavez, Martin Luther King, Che Guevara, Eugene Debs, Daniel Deleon, Fred Hampton, and other renegades.


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To the OP..I fully understand your alienation and hatred of US society..I feel the same way myself. I have felt much more at home and was much happier during times I've lived outside the US. I don't know if this is a good thing or bad thing. There are differences between US culture and even Western European cultures-the extreme individualism, machisimo, religiosity and general provincialism of the US contrasts with most other places. The US public education is easily the worst in the industrialized world....and you will pick this up very fast if you spend any time living abroad.

So the choices are Cuba, Venezuala or Africa?

Do you speak Spanish? This wouldn't be essential to living in the first two countries but it would certainly help. Teaching ESL might be an idea to support yourself in Venezuala although my understanding you need some sort of TOEFL degree or certificate.

Daves ESL Cafe is a good place to start if you want to teach ESL in another country. Thereare good rundowns on living conditions, pay, employers, etc.

http://eslcafe.com/

Both Cuba and Venezuala are societies under stress and while the culture may be much warmer than that of the US, I would be cautious in expectations. Cuba has been hard hit by the US embargo and is relatively poor. There are Europeans and Americans living there and there are a fair number of US students there. Im not sure if it would be possible to get a job there.

Venezuala is experiencing a high inflation rate and a high crime rate. There is a major right wing attempt to destabilize the country.Possibly you could find an ESL job there.

With Africa I'm not sure but I think it would be most helpful if you have some tech skills.Many countries are upgrading their . Kenya is becoming something of a high tech hub, an African Silicon Valley so if you can write code maybe you could land something there.

Transitions Abroad is helpful if you wanna work/travel overseas.

http://www.transitionsabroad.com/

[AmilcarCabral]

Lenina: You are right, this whole world is doomed. Food is getting expensive in many countries, and we as humans depend on food everhy day and in many other basic needs. There are many many countries without electricity for many hours a day, and where prices are over-valued because many countries have governments that have been under the slavery of World Bank and International Monetary Found because its neoliberal governments have relied on lots of loans and stand-by agreements, which leads to an excess of ad-valorem taxes on every thing. This world is doomed really, so I was thinking that moving out of USA is not a good option.

I think its better to move to leftist states within USA like Vermont, Seattle, and New England, states with lots of cool people, lots of alternative people who are into socialist rock music like Rage Against the Machine and socialist lifestyles

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To the OP..I fully understand your alienation and hatred of US society..I feel the same way myself. I have felt much more at home and was much happier during times I've lived outside the US. I don't know if this is a good thing or bad thing. There are differences between US culture and even Western European cultures-the extreme individualism, machisimo, religiosity and general provincialism of the US contrasts with most other places. The US public education is easily the worst in the industrialized world....and you will pick this up very fast if you spend any time living abroad.

So the choices are Cuba, Venezuala or Africa?

Do you speak Spanish? This wouldn't be essential to living in the first two countries but it would certainly help. Teaching ESL might be an idea to support yourself in Venezuala although my understanding you need some sort of TOEFL degree or certificate.

Daves ESL Cafe is a good place to start if you want to teach ESL in another country. Thereare good rundowns on living conditions, pay, employers, etc.

http://eslcafe.com/

Both Cuba and Venezuala are societies under stress and while the culture may be much warmer than that of the US, I would be cautious in expectations. Cuba has been hard hit by the US embargo and is relatively poor. There are Europeans and Americans living there and there are a fair number of US students there. Im not sure if it would be possible to get a job there.

Venezuala is experiencing a high inflation rate and a high crime rate. There is a major right wing attempt to destabilize the country.Possibly you could find an ESL job there.

With Africa I'm not sure but I think it would be most helpful if you have some tech skills.Many countries are upgrading their . Kenya is becoming something of a high tech hub, an African Silicon Valley so if you can write code maybe you could land something there.

Transitions Abroad is helpful if you wanna work/travel overseas.

http://www.transitionsabroad.com/

[tachosomoza]

Another great country full of extroverted friendly people is Spain (however the economy of Spain is pretty bad). Argentina is full of fiendly people, Uruguay, Italy, Russia are also great nations full of friendly people. However the problem of Russia is learning the Russian language which is very hard

The problem of Russia is getting murdered or arrested because you're darker than a sheet, the problem of Italy being assaulted by hooligans or police because they think you're a migrant. The problem of Spain and Argentina is being assaulted by men if you're a dark skinned woman because they think you're a sex worker from Brazil or Morocco.

[AmilcarCabral]

Hi Tacho: oh I see, I thought that there was almost no racism in Russia, I don't know much about Russia so I thought that the russians were very open minded toward blacks, spanish people, asians and other non-whites ethnicities. But I guess you are right, there might be lots of closet-racism, lots of closet-racists Russians.

And I guess you are right about racism in societies of whites like Chile, Argentina, Russia, Italy, Spain. I think that nations with higher populations of darker people like Venezuela, Panama etc. might have less levels of racism. But however the catch-22 of those non-racist nations like Panama, Honduras and Haiti is the economic problem, because we as humans depend on food, electricity, housing, etc for our survival.

What an evil world, nations with lots of food available at cheap prices, lots of water and electricity are full of racism (USA, Germany, etc), while non-racist nations are full of loving and friendly people, but have very low salaries and very low levels of human development indexes and low living standards (Haiti, Panama etc)


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The problem of Russia is getting murdered or arrested because you're darker than a sheet, the problem of Italy being assaulted by hooligans or police because they think you're a migrant. The problem of Spain and Argentina is being assaulted by men if you're a dark skinned woman because they think you're a sex worker from Brazil or Morocco.

[Slavic]

As other has stated, language will be a major gap which you will have to overcome if you wish to move abroad. You can't expect to move to a foreign county and just get by with only knowing English and expecting others to converse entirely in English.

The world is not high school; high school is not an accurate representation of daily life whatsoever. It is an isolated and confined environment, once you graduate and start working in the world you will see that. If your concerned about Americas not being supportive of socialism, I can assure you that leftism is just as fringe in the rest of the world as it is in the US. If you want to make an impact you can make such within your own community, you will find people open to socialist ideas if you don't come across as pretentious or overloading them with socialist terminology. Approach people and inquire about their daily concerns and provide socialist solutions. No one wants to hear about the proletariat and Da Kapital.

If you do decided to move abroad, don't do it for political reasons, do it because you love the landscape and the culture.

@AmilcarCabral
Tell me how the indigenous people of those non-racist happy friendly countries are faring?

[AmilcarCabral]

Yma13PXjGUY
Americans binge-eat all they want, because the human body is irrelevant in USA. There are many ways that people in America hide themselves in their SUVs, tall vehicles, cell phones etc. to hide themelves in the america of the spectacle. In this country of agoraphobic people (people who are scared of being outdoors in open spaces, in the real world)

[AmilcarCabral]

Slavic: well as i said in my former comments. There are problems in the whole world, all nations are bad places to live, because we as more scientific people, know that capitalist governments prevent well being of people. And while there is a lot of food in USA, Germany, UK etc. there is a down side, negative aspect which is no love, lots of sadness, lots of anger and lots of angry unfriendly faces in USA, Germany and UK.

And while there is lots of love, loving people and friendly people in Haiti, Panama, Honduras etc. there is also lower living standards, deep poverty and misery.

We in Revleft.com understand that only socialism and its next phase (anarchist-communism) would be able to provide physical strength, mental strength to all humans in the whole world, lots of food, high living standards and at the same time, lots of loving people, lots of friendliness, lots of friendly smiles and lots of optimist positive energies at the same time





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As other has stated, language will be a major gap which you will have to overcome if you wish to move abroad. You can't expect to move to a foreign county and just get by with only knowing English and expecting others to converse entirely in English.

The world is not high school; high school is not an accurate representation of daily life whatsoever. It is an isolated and confined environment, once you graduate and start working in the world you will see that. If your concerned about Americas not being supportive of socialism, I can assure you that leftism is just as fringe in the rest of the world as it is in the US. If you want to make an impact you can make such within your own community, you will find people open to socialist ideas if you don't come across as pretentious or overloading them with socialist terminology. Approach people and inquire about their daily concerns and provide socialist solutions. No one wants to hear about the proletariat and Da Kapital.

If you do decided to move abroad, don't do it for political reasons, do it because you love the landscape and the culture.

@AmilcarCabral
Tell me how the indigenous people of those non-racist happy friendly countries are faring?

[Slavic]

Slavic: well as i said in my former comments. There are problems in the whole world, all nations are bad places to live, because we as more scientific people, know that capitalist governments prevent well being of people. And while there is a lot of food in USA, Germany, UK etc. there is a down side, negative aspect which is no love, lots of sadness, lots of anger and lots of angry unfriendly faces in USA, Germany and UK.

And while there is lots of love, loving people and friendly people in Haiti, Panama, Honduras etc. there is also lower living standards, deep poverty and misery.

We in Revleft.com understand that only socialism and its next phase (anarchist-communism) would be able to provide physical strength, mental strength to all humans in the whole world, lots of food, high living standards and at the same time, lots of loving people, lots of friendliness, lots of friendly smiles and lots of optimist positive energies at the same time

That is all fine and dandy, I was just referring to your statement that poor countries with a mostly homogenized ethnicity are "non-racist".

[Tim Cornelis]

Hi Tacho: oh I see, I thought that there was almost no racism in Russia, I don't know much about Russia so I thought that the russians were very open minded toward blacks, spanish people, asians and other non-whites ethnicities. But I guess you are right, there might be lots of closet-racism, lots of closet-racists Russians.

Russia is one of the most racist places in Europe, I'd say. Ultranationalism and antisemitism are rampant. Russia has far more racism than Western Europe.


And I guess you are right about racism in societies of whites like Chile, Argentina, Russia, Italy, Spain. I think that nations with higher populations of darker people like Venezuela, Panama etc. might have less levels of racism.

Wrong.


But however the catch-22 of those non-racist nations like Panama, Honduras and Haiti is the economic problem, because we as humans depend on food, electricity, housing, etc for our survival.

What an evil world, nations with lots of food available at cheap prices, lots of water and electricity are full of racism (USA, Germany, etc), while non-racist nations are full of loving and friendly people, but have very low salaries and very low levels of human development indexes and low living standards (Haiti, Panama etc)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2013/05/racial-tolerance-map-hk-fix.jpg


Slavic: well as i said in my former comments. There are problems in the whole world, all nations are bad places to live, because we as more scientific people, know that capitalist governments prevent well being of people. And while there is a lot of food in USA, Germany, UK etc. there is a down side, negative aspect which is no love, lots of sadness, lots of anger and lots of angry unfriendly faces in USA, Germany and UK.

And while there is lots of love, loving people and friendly people in Haiti, Panama, Honduras etc. there is also lower living standards, deep poverty and misery.

We in Revleft.com understand that only socialism and its next phase (anarchist-communism) would be able to provide physical strength, mental strength to all humans in the whole world, lots of food, high living standards and at the same time, lots of loving people, lots of friendliness, lots of friendly smiles and lots of optimist positive energies at the same time
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And where are you basing this on? It seems you harbor unsubstantiated romanticism toward non-Western countries.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/World_happiness.png

[Yukari]

AmilcarCabral,

You post so much asinine rubbish that in the time that it takes me to write a reply to one post, you have managed to make two more that were just as nonsensical as the last. You continuously make up idiotic generalisations of peoples with no basis for it. You steer clear from anything resembling of even half-arsed analysis and you spout ridiculous hippie nonsense in such frequency that one would have dissect every sentence individually to address it all.

But you're obviously a troll, so what I'm wondering is how on earth you're still around! What do you have to gain from such methodical and relentless trolling? Sod off and get banned.


the USA is a great country, with nice roads

Har-har.

[Ele'ill]

don't leave, become obnoxious right where you're at

[tachosomoza]

Hi Tacho: oh I see, I thought that there was almost no racism in Russia, I don't know much about Russia so I thought that the russians were very open minded toward blacks, spanish people, asians and other non-whites ethnicities. But I guess you are right, there might be lots of closet-racism, lots of closet-racists Russians.

Closet racist? They'll walk up to you and call you racial slurs to your face. You report it to the police, they'll laugh. You fight them, the whole neighborhood will come out and lynch you.



And I guess you are right about racism in societies of whites like Chile, Argentina, Russia, Italy, Spain. I think that nations with higher populations of darker people like Venezuela, Panama etc. might have less levels of racism. But however the catch-22 of those non-racist nations like Panama, Honduras and Haiti is the economic problem, because we as humans depend on food, electricity, housing, etc for our survival.

What an evil world, nations with lots of food available at cheap prices, lots of water and electricity are full of racism (USA, Germany, etc), while non-racist nations are full of loving and friendly people, but have very low salaries and very low levels of human development indexes and low living standards (Haiti, Panama etc)


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Do you consider a white elite that looks at the rest of the country as trash as "less racism"? Do you consider brown skinned women putting skin bleaching poison in their skin "less racism"? Upper class Venezuelans (white people) looked down on Chavez because he acknowledged and was proud of his black ancestry, portrayed him as a monkey in cartoons, and they called his supporters "negroes" regardless of ethnicity.

You seem to have a very naive and ill informed view of the world and are only setting yourself up for saddening disappointment.

[AmilcarCabral]

Hi, there are no truths, not absolute truths, just interpretations of truths



AmilcarCabral,

You post so much asinine rubbish that in the time that it takes me to write a reply to one post, you have managed to make two more that were just as nonsensical as the last. You continuously make up idiotic generalisations of peoples with no basis for it. You steer clear from anything resembling of even half-arsed analysis and you spout ridiculous hippie nonsense in such frequency that one would have dissect every sentence individually to address it all.

But you're obviously a troll, so what I'm wondering is how on earth you're still around! What do you have to gain from such methodical and relentless trolling? Sod off and get banned.



Har-har.

[AmilcarCabral]

And you have reading problems and there are no truths, no absolute truths, just interpretations of reality. So that's the way I see the world, if you don't like it too bad, stick to your own interpretation of the reality of this evil world. And be patient because most poor people of this world are not supporting communism. We have to wait for more powerful economic crisis for poor low-wage workers and poor people to be willing to support communism ideology

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You seem to have a very naive and ill informed view of the world and are only setting yourself up for saddening disappointment.

[Ele'ill]

I second that interpretation of truth, I think it would be beneficial for you to work on the form of your posts so that they are a bit more organized regarding the content

[AmilcarCabral]

I don't believe in statistics, if those statistics were correct most americans were happier and friendlier than cubans. but you don't have to be a psychologist, to see with your own eyes how most people in America are depressed and very sad. USA is a sad nation, a nation in silent anger and silent sadness (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17669.htm)

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Russia is one of the most racist places in Europe, I'd say. Ultranationalism and antisemitism are rampant. Russia has far more racism than Western Europe.



Wrong.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2013/05/racial-tolerance-map-hk-fix.jpg




And where are you basing this on? It seems you harbor unsubstantiated romanticism toward non-Western countries.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/World_happiness.png

[AmilcarCabral]

Troll is a label like many other labels used by dumb people. According to ignorant people in the internet a troll is anybody who thinks outside the box, and who doesn't have a slave mentality.


you're obviously a troll

[Ele'ill]

If you absolutely are set on moving you might want to visit first. I know that sounds like pee in the cereal but 'other places' are a lot like 'known places' where you may like one area of a city you live in but hate another area of the same city that is only a mile or so away.

[Comrade Chernov]

I've heard good things about Iceland. It's where I'm hoping to go.

[Diirez]

Jesus,
Can you imagine if Lenin was just like "Man, the left is dead here. I think I'll move somewhere else." Or if Malcolm X just moved to a black society?

If you're fed up with the America why don't you try to change it?

[Slavic]

If you absolutely are set on moving you might want to visit first. I know that sounds like pee in the cereal but 'other places' are a lot like 'known places' where you may like one area of a city you live in but hate another area of the same city that is only a mile or so away.

lol "pee in the cereal" I have never heard that before.

America is quite vast and diverse, OP should maybe trying visiting different parts of the US before considering abroad.

[tachosomoza]

lol "pee in the cereal" I have never heard that before.

America is quite vast and diverse, OP should maybe trying visiting different parts of the US before considering abroad.

I think he meant "piss in your cornflakes". It's like "rain on your parade".

Also, I agree in regards to traveling. The United States has several dozen different national parks, dozens of world class cities that people from all over the planet flock to for education, work or to just see. For such a young country, there's several hundred sites where world changing history was made. It's virtually impossible to see all of the United States before you die, you'll have missed something. The best part is that you don't need a passport or a visa to see any of it. If you absolutely must, must leave the United States, go to Western Europe. The Netherlands, the UK, Germany, Belgium. You'll get the standard of living you're used to as an American and people may joke about it, but you're not at grave risk to life and limb and freedom just because you were born in a certain place or look a certain way, for the most part. You go to Africa, you'll have to deal with infrastructure issues, dangerous diseases for which there is limited or no medical treatment, and possibly come to harm because you're an obvious Western foreigner and for Africa, that = money.

[JudasMaiden]

Since I first made this thread, my closest/only real friend committed suicide and is one of the major factors of why I want to move to Cuba or Venezuela. I've gotten rid of Africa as a choice, decreased my chances of moving to Venezuela, but I've added the wilderness and space as options for where I can move.

Germany, as PL already said, is a major imperialist power, and is in no way socialist.

Cuba isn't that bad a place to live in, Venezuela from what I hear is so-so. Most African countries are very difficult to live in - extreme poverty and insecurity mixes with social backwardness in the former colonies.

In any case, I think that if your objective is to get away from celebrity gossip and insipid TV shows, you will be disappointed no matter where you go.
So Space and the wilderness are the only places I won't have to put up with celebrity gossip, insipid TV shows, video games, annoying/ignorant/discriminatory idiots, etc.

If this is the OP's intention, the wilderness seems like the best option.
How do I survive in the wilderness around me, I live in a fucking desert!?

tbh if you're motivated more by what you feel is apathy or stupidity by other people you're not going to escape from that by moving to another country. All places have that. What you want to make sure is that you A. Really know the language of the country you will be going to and B. Have a useful trade, otherwise you'll have a really rough time being able to make that transition.

It's not difficult to go to Cuba despite the embargo. The legal restrictions on travel there are pretty much ignored by even American groups as well as Cubans in the states who pay visits. Mexico is a popular country to go through for Americans going to Cuba, which'll give you a visa in such a way that it is not permanent on the passport- as simple as a temporary page, most of the time as a piece of paper that you can remove afterwards.

As for actually living there, you need to bring something worthwhile to them. The last thing the country wants is some random guy from the states wanting to live there for the heck of it- many Americans who've gone to Cuba have done so to escape political persecution and criminal charges, like several Black Panthers and other radicals from the 60s and 70s, not moving their on their own volition. It's also not a good way to endear yourself to your neighbors if you come into the country with nothing to contribute and come off as someone with money to burn, and the government will view you the same way. What I'm saying here it might be difficult for you to get permission from the government to immigrate there and start up the process of securing citizenship, though visiting is not hard.

Venezuela I know nothing about as far as how it is to live in, but politically it's not going to be the left-wing haven you're looking for. Granted, it probably has the most "left" government of the various countries in South America but that doesn't mean the whole populace follows through with this- there's a substantial portion of the population who're fiercely opposed to the government and some who are blatantly reactionary. You'll set yourself up as a target fast by those right-wingers- you think right-wingers here in the US are annoying? Wait until you get a taste of right-wingers in Venezuela and pretty much anywhere else in Latin America. Private media is largely controlled by anti-Chavista elements so you're going to get a lot of nauseating coverage of political events there coupled with a bombardment of telenovelas and variety shows.

As for Africa you're going to run through a lot of variation on it depending on the country as far as overall stability goes. Stable or not, most of these countries have some extreme divisions between rich and poor, and are filled with a combination of corrupt political establishments and businesses given free reign to do what ever the hell they want. Their media establishment won't be any different from the states as far as entertainment and news goes.

You'll also find in a lot of these countries that certain social activities, clothing tastes, personality you may think are not controversial might not fly there. On the whole you might find that some of these countries are a lot more conservative when it comes to social standards.

Getting citizenship is a tough task for most countries- you'd have to check individually for each case through the country's relevant governmental department. Cuba'd probably be the hardest of all of them, Venezuela and countries in Africa are more open in their policies for citizenship. There's a chance that these countries might not allow for dual citizenship so you got to make sure all this is worked out if you're serious because it'll likely be a one-way trip and it'll be difficult to restore your original American citizenship if you decide to leave for what ever reason.

These kinds of moves can be pretty costly - in between the physical act of moving as well as fees you have to pay to get into the country legally and go through the process of securing a visa and later citizenship, so keep that in mind.
Thanks for the info, I've reconsidered moving to Cuba, Venezuela, or Africa, so I got rid of Africa as an option, decreased my chance of moving to Venezuela, and added two new options on where I could live.


Jesus,
Can you imagine if Lenin was just like "Man, the left is dead here. I think I'll move somewhere else." Or if Malcolm X just moved to a black society?

If you're fed up with the America why don't you try to change it?
How come Vladimir Lenin moved to Switzerland? By the way, the Sheeple of United States and most of Western Society(Including Japan and South Korea) is too fucking indoctrinated with pop culture and consumerism to ever try to wake up.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

Since I first made this thread, my closest/only real friend committed suicide and is one of the major factors of why I want to move to Cuba or Venezuela.

I am sorry to hear that.


So Space and the wilderness are the only places I won't have to put up with celebrity gossip, insipid TV shows, video games, annoying/ignorant/discriminatory idiots, etc.

The thing is, you don't have to put up with celebrity gossip, insipid TV shows etc. anywhere. You always have the option of turning the TV off / changing the topic / finding someone else to talk to / etc.

As for idiots, these are found everywhere members of the species H. Sapiens congregate.


How come Vladimir Lenin moved to Switzerland? By the way, the Sheeple of United States and most of Western Society(Including Japan and South Korea) is too fucking indoctrinated with pop culture and consumerism to ever try to wake up.

Why would you want the sheeple to awake? (https://xkcd.com/1013/)

I'm sorry, I'm trying to not be hard on you, but talking about "the sheeple" and how they're "indoctrinated by pop culture" is the political equivalent of talking about "the friendzone" - obviously bourgeois ideology exists (and it has existed for far longer than "pop culture" as it is understood today), but we can't blame the workers for not accepting our stances - it is the job of communists to propagandise, the educate and to agitate among the working class, not to throw our hands up and blame the workers for being irreparably tainted by bourgeois ideology / amerikkkan labor ari$tocracy / globalisation / whatever.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Oh god OP, fuck off you pretentious little white boy.

Cuba, Venezuela or Africa? Africa? It's not a fucking country. Have some fucking respect. Or at least some knowledge. It's as vast, diverse, and heterogeneous as anywhere in the world.

Also, start by having some respect for people in general before you start this 'holier than thou' pilgrimage around the red flags of the world + Africa. I'm sure you're not that much better than people who choose to enjoy themselves whatever way they can to try to forget about the hard week at work they've just had. I mean, you're not even a fucking worker, you're a kid. You probably don't understand what it's like to actually be ground down like a worker.

So get off your high horse. You're not moving anywhere. Have some respect for the people in your community and stop being so fucking ignorant and pretentious. I'm sure 'Africa' will do just fine without you.

[JudasMaiden]

I am sorry to hear that.



The thing is, you don't have to put up with celebrity gossip, insipid TV shows etc. anywhere. You always have the option of turning the TV off / changing the topic / finding someone else to talk to / etc.

As for idiots, these are found everywhere members of the species H. Sapiens congregate.



Why would you want the sheeple to awake? (https://xkcd.com/1013/)

I'm sorry, I'm trying to not be hard on you, but talking about "the sheeple" and how they're "indoctrinated by pop culture" is the political equivalent of talking about "the friendzone" - obviously bourgeois ideology exists (and it has existed for far longer than "pop culture" as it is understood today), but we can't blame the workers for not accepting our stances - it is the job of communists to propagandise, the educate and to agitate among the working class, not to throw our hands up and blame the workers for being irreparably tainted by bourgeois ideology / amerikkkan labor ari$tocracy / globalisation / whatever.

On Revleft, you guys talk about atrocities around the world and the problems the proletariat have, yet, you don't discuss about making and handing out leftist pamphlets or sharing pamphlets for the Revleft community to print and hand out to anyone.


Oh god OP, fuck off you pretentious little white boy.

Cuba, Venezuela or Africa? Africa? It's not a fucking country. Have some fucking respect. Or at least some knowledge. It's as vast, diverse, and heterogeneous as anywhere in the world.

Also, start by having some respect for people in general before you start this 'holier than thou' pilgrimage around the red flags of the world + Africa. I'm sure you're not that much better than people who choose to enjoy themselves whatever way they can to try to forget about the hard week at work they've just had. I mean, you're not even a fucking worker, you're a kid. You probably don't understand what it's like to actually be ground down like a worker.

So get off your high horse. You're not moving anywhere. Have some respect for the people in your community and stop being so fucking ignorant and pretentious. I'm sure 'Africa' will do just fine without you.

Okay, I'm not going to give out any personal details, other than my age, gender, and the state in the U.S I live in, but why do you assume someone's "race", I don't think it's really necessary, unless they say what "race" they belong to, or some stupid shit like "my race is being threatened due to immigration/multiculturalism and intermarriage" and/or "my [Insert Race] is superior to all other races"? Also, I started to "think" again after reexamining the posts today and asking myself, "Is it worth wasting money, resources, and time to move to another place outside the U.S just for the place to be as disappointing, close to disappointing, if not more disappointing than the U.S is?" I've never been outside the U.S through my entire life, but I decided that staying in the U.S to help out the proletariat to encourage more leftist activity worldwide and to only move to another country when it is absolutely necessary, like if the government starts to persecute me or if the U.S becomes far too dangerous for leftists.

Also for the "apathetic sheeple" part, I have to admit, I haven't talked to people on politics other than some teachers[The teachers were usually quite receptive and some even consider themselves "leftists"], I just used some evidence on how they tend to obsess with pop culture instead from observing their behavior when at school[Includes being on the Bus] and didn't even bother handing out anything political or discussing anything political to them other than political news to a few students and even there, I didn't give out my position at all.



I've looked at 3 places where I could move:
1. Cuba (I've been choosing that place at a 60% chance to move there)
2. Venezuela (Probably at 30% chance to move there)
3. Africa(Well, not the violent parts of Africa, probably a 10%)

Are there any other places to suggest where I should move to?

Also here are a few questions:
1. As an American citizen(since the average American is barred from traveling directly to Cuba from the U.S), how can I move to Cuba, let alone acquire citizenship there?
2. I know that Americans can travel to Venezuela, but how can I move there and acquire citizenship there?
3. What African countries would you suggest for me to move to and are easy/fast to acquire citizenship?

If you have information that could answer the "move to Cuba/Venezuela/Africa questions" I presented to you, please give me the links/name of the information.



Africa? It's not a fucking country.
I never said that Africa was a country.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

I like other countries, I'd love to visit more countries. But I also love living in the USA because this is where I'm from, not out of some stupid notion of superiority. Just as I don't understand the nationalism that is so popular here in America, I don't understand when people say they hate america. Hating a piece of land between arbitrary lines on a map, real mature, right? You know, just as I love other cultures I see plenty beautiful things about American culture. Also, just as pretty much every country has beautiful landscape, so does America. I live in the Appalachian mountains of western NC. When ever I go out my breath is taken away by how beautiful it is here. I keep on thinking that I'm gonna get used to how beautiful it is, but I never do. Of course I don't like how my country is run, I don't think there is a country on the face of the earth that has a "good government" since "good government" is a fallacy.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

On Revleft, you guys talk about atrocities around the world and the problems the proletariat have, yet, you don't discuss about making and handing out leftist pamphlets or sharing pamphlets for the Revleft community to print and hand out to anyone.

RevLeft is not a political organisation. It doesn't have a line, it doesn't collect dues, and it doesn't put out propaganda material. If you live in America, you're pretty much spoilt for choice - every major tendency in the socialist movement, and some that are specific to America (Marcyism), are represented by an organisation in the US.

Of course, political work is more than simply handing out pamphlets - but that's besides the point now.


Also for the "apathetic sheeple" part, I have to admit, I haven't talked to people on politics other than some teachers[The teachers were usually quite receptive and some even consider themselves "leftists"], I just used some evidence on how they tend to obsess with pop culture instead from observing their behavior when at school[Includes being on the Bus] and didn't even bother handing out anything political or discussing anything political to them other than political news to a few students and even there, I didn't give out my position at all.

Well, here's the thing. People have different interests. Some of them "obsess over pop culture" (in fact, I find that the people who are most obsessed with pop culture are those who spend their days denouncing it). Most of them are apolitical, or rather proto-political - their consciousness is determined by their immediate, everyday struggles (which hopefully are not that numerous in high school!). This doesn't mean they're dumb sheep-humans - and quite frankly, you're acting like the typical lolbertarian conspiracy nut.

[Tim Cornelis]

By the way, the Sheeple of United States and most of Western Society(Including Japan and South Korea) is too fucking indoctrinated with pop culture and consumerism to ever try to wake up.

You're going to be really disappointed to find out that Africans and Arabs and Latin Americans are "indoctrinated" with (enjoy?) "pop culture and consumerism" as well. Why should or would enjoying pop culture be mutually exclusive with being a communist or revolutionary?

This type of music is very popular in West Africa.
Nigeria:
ELJMDZrX-8I

Ghana:
FNFudvSWyRI

[AmilcarCabral]

3bZzM4s0Hgs

I LOVE THIS WEBSITE REVLEFT.COM, BECAUSE I AM VERY ANTI-USA AND THIS WEBSITE IS AGAINST THE WHOLE SYSTEM OF USA, AGAINST THE POLITICAL SYSTEM OF USA AND AGAINST THE MIND-CONTROLLED ZOMBIFIED WEIRD BEHAVIOUR PATTERNS OF MOST ADULT US VOTERS AND SUPPORTERS OF THIS POLITICAL, ECONOMIC, AND SOCIAL ORDER OF USA.

And beware, if you guys are against the whole political, economic, social order and way of life of USA and you live in USA, you guys will have a very very painful life because your friends and families will hate you to death

I am realist about that, this is why I am aware that I am very very hated by my own neighbors, my own friends and my own family. I have no physical friends outside of the internet, it is real hard to find leftist people (outside of the internet) in America. 85% to 95% of american citizens are ultra-right wingers.

if you live in USA, outside of the internet, in Wal Mart, in supermarkets, in birthday parties, in social events, in churches, in your own neighborhoods you can't talk about about how US government wants to invade Venezuela, how evil both parties are by stealing the tax dollars of americans and giving those dollars to bankers and corporations. By how Donald Trump, celebritries, artists and the general upper classes of USA are very healthy live real well, while the majority are sick, poor and living a very painful life. You cant talk about politics, you can't talk about how US government killed Martih Luther King, Malcom X, Fred Hamptom, and other revolutionaries, you can't talk about how Edward Snowden and Bradly Maning are saying how evil are both political parties (Democrats and Republicans) in any social event, in any party. Because your own families and friends will alienate you, will hate you and will say you are crazy. I live in USA and most people in this shitty country hate me, because i always speak in public, in Wal Marts, in public areas, in public events, in parties, about how Bush, capitalists, republicans and democrats are so evil, about how evil is the whole US government along with its oligarchic ruling 10% class. And how only about 30% of USA lives a happy life and about how 70% of USA lives a shitty painful life





Since I've been hearing about a financial meltdown(any sources that could suggest so) for the U.S/western world(including countries like Japan and South Korea) and I'm getting so tired of western society not listening to the problems and that they would rather listen to celebrity gossip, football, video games, or American Idol/X-Factor or some stupid shit like that, I'm planning to leave America. Also, America has become much more of a police state since 9/11/2001 and the average American doesn't care about anything political, let alone of the left-wing(they are also taught to see that Communism, Socialism, Marxism and Anarchism as threats to the "free world" in school and mainstream corporate media), so I almost certainly won't see any sort of leftist in most western countries, let alone America anywhere near my lifetime(I'm a High schooler by the way). Look at what happened to the leftist uprisings in Germany right after WWI. I've looked at 3 places where I could move:
1. Cuba (I've been choosing that place at a 60% chance to move there)
2. Venezuela (Probably at 30% chance to move there)
3. Africa(Well, not the violent parts of Africa, probably a 10%)

Are there any other places to suggest where I should move to?

Also here are a few questions:
1. As an American citizen(since the average American is barred from traveling directly to Cuba from the U.S), how can I move to Cuba, let alone acquire citizenship there?
2. I know that Americans can travel to Venezuela, but how can I move there and acquire citizenship there?
3. What African countries would you suggest for me to move to and are easy/fast to acquire citizenship?

If you have information that could answer the "move to Cuba/Venezuela/Africa questions" I presented to you, please give me the links/name of the information.

[La Comédie Noire]

Honestly if people don't want to talk to you about politics it's probably because they don't want to have a "conversation" with someone who evangelizes to them. Rather than changing stuff around you; You should change yourself. Otherwise you'll just find the same problems no matter where you go because nobody likes to be talked at. Especially if it's going to be someone who has a chip on their shoulder because they've graced another country with their enlightened presence.

I'm trying not to be too harsh and I'm trying not to be condescending because of your age (I don't think anybody in this thread is trying to be.) But it really is much wiser to start off with less costly changes so you can gain some experience without majorly fucking up your life. If you think the x factor sucks now, imagine how much it would suck dirt poor while someone blares it in a low quality youth hostel.

It's also hard because you come off as disdainful of the average person. Look here's the thing, people have always been and always will be amused by the most inane shit. Can people aspire to higher pursuits? Of course. But there's always going to be that obsession with trivialities no matter where you go.

[AmilcarCabral]

Judas: it doesn't require a psychology profession from a college, to realize, be aware and admit that living in the USA while single and while outside of a group in USA leads to suicide.

because humans are animals, are species that require a word that americans don't know called "love". In America most people outside of their own group and/or family don't love each other, except their own family members.

USAmericans are educated into being group-narcissists and family-narcissists (meaning only loving the members of their own group and/or family). This is one of the main reasons of why most young americans marry at young age, because living in this shitty hell of hateful people requires a sort of Rambo mentality, a superhuman power in order to cope with being hated all the time, by everybody if you are a single person.

In America you have to be a rambo outthere in the streets with strangers, in order to cope with the hatred out there in this shitty hell. Venezuelans are the total opposite, venezuelan people are super friendly and that's maybe one of the main reasons for socialism being so popular there. While most americans are assholes and being asshole and angry-fucks like most americans are is very compatible with the ideology of Adam Smith, Ayn Rand, Sarah Palin, Bush and Glenn Beck (Capitalism)





Since I first made this thread, my closest/only real friend committed suicide and is one of the major factors of why I want to move to Cuba or Venezuela. I've gotten rid of Africa as a choice, decreased my chances of moving to Venezuela, but I've added the wilderness and space as options for where I can move.

So Space and the wilderness are the only places I won't have to put up with celebrity gossip, insipid TV shows, video games, annoying/ignorant/discriminatory idiots, etc.

How do I survive in the wilderness around me, I live in a fucking desert!?

Thanks for the info, I've reconsidered moving to Cuba, Venezuela, or Africa, so I got rid of Africa as an option, decreased my chance of moving to Venezuela, and added two new options on where I could live.


How come Vladimir Lenin moved to Switzerland? By the way, the Sheeple of United States and most of Western Society(Including Japan and South Korea) is too fucking indoctrinated with pop culture and consumerism to ever try to wake up.

[AmilcarCabral]

La Comedie: The thing is that we are not extraterrestrials, we humans need to communicate, to talk, to dig out the problems of society and our own problems thru a thing called *talking*. Americans are very silent, and the conspiracy of being mute all the time, is very anti-communism, is hardcore anti-change.

John Dewey the education writer said that the 3 main activities that lead to change are: reading in the right way, writing in the right way and talking in the right way. And I think that's why we will have or jeb bush or hillary clinton in 2016 as our leaders maintaining this shitty life we all live in USA.

I am desperate, because I will only live 80 to 95 years old, and that's why i sort of force socialism, communism on people (even if they bash me). Miguel Unamuno and Henry Miller said that the task of intellectuals is to make other people around intellectuals feel depressed, sad and even hate intellectuals.

if most radical leftists of USA are scared of how most americans will hate them for educating people with communism ideology and the need of change in any public place, we will never have communism in USA.

So don't worry if americans hate you, bash you trash you, if you even have to physically fight. All activities have risks, even losing weight is painful and risky. Homosexuals who get married also feel the threat of being hated and even having to protect themselves from right-wingers heterosexuals.

But from my own point of view, we have to preach and force communism to the right-wingers americans even if they will hate us for that. It's for their own good, for our own good, and because we won't live 500 years. There is no time, we need communism not in 2016, not in 2020. We need it right now ASAP (As soon as possible) even if most people in America will hate us !!






Honestly if people don't want to talk to you about politics it's probably because they don't want to have a "conversation" with someone who evangelizes to them. Rather than changing stuff around you; You should change yourself. Otherwise you'll just find the same problems no matter where you go because nobody likes to be talked at. Especially if it's going to be someone who has a chip on their shoulder because they've graced another country with their enlightened presence.

I'm trying not to be too harsh and I'm trying not to be condescending because of your age (I don't think anybody in this thread is trying to be.) But it really is much wiser to start off with less costly changes so you can gain some experience without majorly fucking up your life. If you think the x factor sucks now, imagine how much it would suck dirt poor while someone blares it in a low quality youth hostel.

It's also hard because you come off as disdainful of the average person. Look here's the thing, people have always been and always will be amused by the most inane shit. Can people aspire to higher pursuits? Of course. But there's always going to be that obsession with trivialities no matter where you go.

[Bad Grrrl Agro]

3bZzM4s0Hgs

I LOVE THIS WEBSITE REVLEFT.COM, BECAUSE I AM VERY ANTI-USA AND THIS WEBSITE IS AGAINST THE WHOLE SYSTEM OF USA, AGAINST THE POLITICAL SYSTEM OF USA AND AGAINST THE MIND-CONTROLLED ZOMBIFIED WEIRD BEHAVIOUR PATTERNS OF MOST ADULT US VOTERS AND SUPPORTERS OF THIS POLITICAL, ECONOMIC, AND SOCIAL ORDER OF USA.

And beware, if you guys are against the whole political, economic, social order and way of life of USA and you live in USA, you guys will have a very very painful life because your friends and families will hate you to death

I am realist about that, this is why I am aware that I am very very hated by my own neighbors, my own friends and my own family. I have no physical friends outside of the internet, it is real hard to find leftist people (outside of the internet) in America. 85% to 95% of american citizens are ultra-right wingers.

if you live in USA, outside of the internet, in Wal Mart, in supermarkets, in birthday parties, in social events, in churches, in your own neighborhoods you can't talk about about how US government wants to invade Venezuela, how evil both parties are by stealing the tax dollars of americans and giving those dollars to bankers and corporations. By how Donald Trump, celebritries, artists and the general upper classes of USA are very healthy live real well, while the majority are sick, poor and living a very painful life. You cant talk about politics, you can't talk about how US government killed Martih Luther King, Malcom X, Fred Hamptom, and other revolutionaries, you can't talk about how Edward Snowden and Bradly Maning are saying how evil are both political parties (Democrats and Republicans) in any social event, in any party. Because your own families and friends will alienate you, will hate you and will say you are crazy. I live in USA and most people in this shitty country hate me, because i always speak in public, in Wal Marts, in public areas, in public events, in parties, about how Bush, capitalists, republicans and democrats are so evil, about how evil is the whole US government along with its oligarchic ruling 10% class. And how only about 30% of USA lives a happy life and about how 70% of USA lives a shitty painful life


The Exploited are a bunch of oogles! Fuckin' salon punx and their fancy hair and shit...

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Okay, I'm not going to give out any personal details, other than my age, gender, and the state in the U.S I live in

I think it would be foolish to do anything else.


, but why do you assume someone's "race"

It was an expression of frustration, and a critique of the idea of some sections of the white middle/upper class that they are superior to poorer people, or people from ethnic/other minorities, or people from poorer countries.


I've never been outside the U.S through my entire life, but I decided that staying in the U.S to help out the proletariat to encourage more leftist activity worldwide and to only move to another country when it is absolutely necessary, like if the government starts to persecute me or if the U.S becomes far too dangerous for leftists.

Surely the day the government starts to persecute anyone for being a leftist is the time you don't run away? Right now and for the forseeable future it is likely that the government won't persecute you any more for being a leftist than for being a black person, a latino immigrant or gay, because quite frankly the political power held by revolutionaries in America is pretty much nada.


Also for the "apathetic sheeple" part, I have to admit, I haven't talked to people on politics other than some teachers[The teachers were usually quite receptive and some even consider themselves "leftists"],

I don't think it's true that many people are apathetic. I'm sure people care. I care. But, y'know, 'politics' is fucking boring, and people have different interests. Being interested in politics doesn't make someone any better, more intelligent, more aware, or more high-minded than anybody else. I may have quite solid knowledge of politics, but i'm a total philistine when it comes to philosophy, or art, or Indonesian culture, for example.


I just used some evidence on how they tend to obsess with pop culture

As opposed to what? I'm not a massive pop fan, but there's a reason it's called 'popular' culture. It's popular. Some of it is shit, but not everything in pop culture is, and it's pretty irritating when someone think they're being edgy by rejecting something purely for where it falls in the high-pop culture continuum, as opposed to on the merit of its actual content.


I never said that Africa was a country

Then why put it in the same bracket as Venezuela and Cuba? It may have not been intentional, but it betrays the thought that Africa is so insignificant, or that Africa doesn't contain a rich and varied culture and heritage of itself.

It's like those aid nuts like Geldof and Bono who are all like 'lets send aid to Africa'. OK, go on Europe, go on The Americas, go on Australasia, go on Asia. Send aid to Africa.

There's definitely a reason why people collectivise Africa in their consciousness and refer to it as a continent far more than they do any other continent, and it's not because Africa is any more homogenous in its identity, geographic features, culture or heritage than anywhere else. It's because of ignorance and arrogance on the part of rich western people, that's it.

[AmilcarCabral]

But dieting, trying to lose weight, exercising is painful, but it makes a person a lot healthier and gives them a better body, than a binge-eater who lives a life of pleasure and hates exercising and eating a healthy diet.

And humans are political animals, and politics influences every thing we do in life. It is almost impossible to rise out of poverty into a better happier self-realized lifestyle without politics. So I think you are wrong that politics, does not make a person better than many people in America who hate politics and who think that they can rise out of poverty into a life of beauty, happiness and wealth thru working 12 hours a day, and doing garage sales on weekends, and having a lone-ranger Robinson Crusoe worldview (which is totally wrong).

Politics influences even the bread we eat, the coffee we drink, even the shape of our bodies, our state of happiness and every thing since we are born until death. So anybody who is very interested into politics is smarter than people who think that politics is irrelevant.




I don't think it's true that many people are apathetic. I'm sure people care. I care. But, y'know, 'politics' is fucking boring, and people have different interests. Being interested in politics doesn't make someone any better, more intelligent, more aware, or more high-minded than anybody else.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

[QUOTE=AmilcarCabral;2742068]But dieting, trying to lose weight, exercising is painful, but it makes a person a lot healthier and gives them a better body, than a binge-eater who lives a life of pleasure and hates exercising and eating a healthy diet.

So working people are greedy and self-centred and stupid and don't know what's good for them, and communists are much better sitting in their ivory tower. What a lovely analogy.


And humans are political animals, and politics influences every thing we do in life. It is almost impossible to rise out of poverty into a better happier self-realized lifestyle without politics.

Yes, but the solution doesn't really arise out of some grandiose, self-serving smugness that you are somehow better than ordinary people who need your help because they are too stupid to help themselves.


So anybody who is very interested into politics is smarter than people who think that politics is irrelevant.

And here is how dictatorship and tyranny are born. Through a lack of empathy, a god complex, a probably rejection by the working people you seek to 'help' with your apparently enlightened views, and then just ruling in their interests.

Seriously, you are not smarter than someone by virtue of your politics. If you really believe that, then let's hope you never, ever get anywhere near a post of genuine political power, because the consequences of that have been borne out too many times in history, and the thought of it happening again, the thought of people like you ruling over people like me, scares me.

[AmilcarCabral]

Dear comrade: I am just explaining what I've seen in the last decades in America, about how most people in USA, including poor americans keep voting for the democratic party and the republican party and how stupid, imbeciles most oppressed people are.

We have to realize that the great majority of people, even the great majority of poor people not only in USA but in the whole world are really guilty for poverty, because the great majority of poor people of the whole planet are crazy, suicidal who get high on poverty. They don't want changes at all, look at how happy are most Mcdonalds workers, the workers of Wal Marts, the workers of Kroger supermarkets, how stuck-up and their asshole attitudes they are. They treat customers like shit, because they themselves are pieces of right-wing shits who hate communism. So we have to accept the reality that the pieces of human trash who work in Mcdonalds, in Wal Mart, in K-Marts and most poor americans will vote for Jeb Bush or for Hillary Clinton in 2016.

PD: The fast food protests were not protests for the overthrow of capitalism to be replaced by a workers dictatorship. It was a protest for their own egocentric fast food sector






[QUOTE]

So working people are greedy and self-centred and stupid and don't know what's good for them, and communists are much better sitting in their ivory tower. What a lovely analogy.



Yes, but the solution doesn't really arise out of some grandiose, self-serving smugness that you are somehow better than ordinary people who need your help because they are too stupid to help themselves.



And here is how dictatorship and tyranny are born. Through a lack of empathy, a god complex, a probably rejection by the working people you seek to 'help' with your apparently enlightened views, and then just ruling in their interests.

Seriously, you are not smarter than someone by virtue of your politics. If you really believe that, then let's hope you never, ever get anywhere near a post of genuine political power, because the consequences of that have been borne out too many times in history, and the thought of it happening again, the thought of people like you ruling over people like me, scares me.

[tachosomoza]

Dear comrade: I am just explaining what I've seen in the last decades in America, about how most people in USA, including poor americans keep voting for the democratic party and the republican party and how stupid, imbeciles most oppressed people are.

We have to realize that the great majority of people, even the great majority of poor people not only in USA but in the whole world are really guilty for poverty, because the great majority of poor people of the whole planet are crazy, suicidal who get high on poverty. They don't want changes at all, look at how happy are most Mcdonalds workers, the workers of Wal Marts, the workers of Kroger supermarkets, how stuck-up and their asshole attitudes they are. They treat customers like shit, because they themselves are pieces of right-wing shits who hate communism. So we have to accept the reality that the pieces of human trash who work in Mcdonalds, in Wal Mart, in K-Marts and most poor americans will vote for Jeb Bush or for Hillary Clinton in 2016.

PD: The fast food protests were not protests for the overthrow of capitalism to be replaced by a workers dictatorship. It was a protest for their own egocentric fast food sector

You disgusting, elitist fuck.

You sound like one of those entitled upper middle class rich liberal white kids who jet off to Vietnam and Cambodia to do drugs, disrespect the locals and exploit local women.

[mindsword]

You know what they say, the grass is greener on the other side.
In the case of the US id say this is pretty true. As goes for eastern europe and africa.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Dear comrade: I am just explaining what I've seen in the last decades in America, about how most people in USA, including poor americans keep voting for the democratic party and the republican party and how stupid, imbeciles most oppressed people are.

We have to realize that the great majority of people, even the great majority of poor people not only in USA but in the whole world are really guilty for poverty, because the great majority of poor people of the whole planet are crazy, suicidal who get high on poverty. They don't want changes at all, look at how happy are most Mcdonalds workers, the workers of Wal Marts, the workers of Kroger supermarkets, how stuck-up and their asshole attitudes they are. They treat customers like shit, because they themselves are pieces of right-wing shits who hate communism. So we have to accept the reality that the pieces of human trash who work in Mcdonalds, in Wal Mart, in K-Marts and most poor americans will vote for Jeb Bush or for Hillary Clinton in 2016.

PD: The fast food protests were not protests for the overthrow of capitalism to be replaced by a workers dictatorship. It was a protest for their own egocentric fast food sector





[QUOTE=Vladimir Innit Lenin;2742076]

OK, well if the workers are happy, they don't need some asshole like you to come and emancipate them.

Fuckety bye, dickhead.

[Comrade Thomas]

Yeah get out.