NIRVANA

[Floyd.]

To be totally fair cobain did play distortion on a william burroughs album of his readings which is just amazing, it's also rumoured he wrote half of the breakthrough album by Hole, his lyrics captured the angst of a generation and have had the biggest imapct on music since the beatles. Krist Novoselic went onto sweet 75 and the eyes adrift with curt kirkwood from the meat puppets, he's now angry at the music industry and has turned it in for politics.
Dave Grohl also has a great resume, with Foo Fighters and more recently Queens of the stone age

[Jesus Christ]

none, I hate Nirvana

[Monty Cantsin]

i voted Krist Novoselic but i didnt see the musical bit, oh well.

[Hegemonicretribution]

None were real geniuses, although I would say that Novoselic was more politically involved in things.

Nirvana captured the perfectly, and amplified the cry of youth. It was a movement that was, as others before, sold out. Courtney Love even sold out the principles and ideals of it with hert actions post Seattle scene. However the marketting bosses would not fail to see the profits in albums like Nevermind that woiuld easily go platinum 5 times over.

Genius is too strong a word, powerful yes, but I don't know how much was intentional.

[Ortega]

Kurt Cobain. By far the most musically talented, I'd say.

I have Novoselic's autograph somewhere - wrote to him for a school project and didn't get many answers, except for a picture of his house, his plane ticket, and an autographed postcard from some car company.

[Solace]

I did not vote. I would never give the genius level to Nirvana. I simply can't see the musical quality in there. I like a few songs, if I listen to them every bissextile year. They are way overrated.

[bush youth]

Kurt Cobain was good (to gain that much of a following, you have to be good at something)
but not musically.

And Krist was just a bass player. Not a hard job.

So I voted Dave Grohl.

[Al Creed]

TThe Genius of Nirvana cannot be pinned on just ONE person, but the group as a whole.

[''electra'']

Their lyrics just don't make any sense....well i'm not surprised since WEIRDO Kurt Cobain wrote them.And u call this man a genious?

[Scottish_Militant]

He was a fantastic musician, one of my favorites!

[Intifada]

kurt cobain

[Solace]

Originally posted by ''electra''@Jan 27 2004, 11:14 AM
Their lyrics just don't make any sense...

At the first look only. I noticed that Kurt Cobain subtely put one great line surrounded by ramblings. Most of the time, that great line makes you think. The hardest part is to find it.

[commie kg]

I don't really like them much. They get on your nerves after a while.

[ComradeRed]

Mozart, Bach, Brahms, Chopin... These are musical geniuses.
AC/DC, RATM, Led Zeppelin, The Clash... These are neo-musical geniuses.
Nirvana is the sarieli of this generation, a piece of crap.

[Floyd.]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 10:27 PM
AC/DC, RATM, Led Zeppelin, The Clash... These are neo-musical geniuses.
Nirvana is the sarieli of this generation, a piece of crap.
You put AC/DC, who were lower class violent pub rock who stood for nothing, were arranged by a music company and had no originality, who did nothing but write slightly anthemic music above Nirvana?
Led Zeppelin, Robert Plant probably one of the most pretentious, self indulgent frontman poseurs of all time above Kurt Cobain? Sure IV is a great album, but to be completely honest i regret buying the others by led zepp. The Clash were one of the first examples of pop-punk and were another bandwagon group in my mind, save for the brilliance of Strummer that is the band was un-original. In my mind Nirvana were more than just a band they encapsulated the feeling of a generation they were also they unwilling figurehead of our generation. They brought a depth to music that had not previously been seen. They were pissed off and fighting against conformity and capitalism and in the end they got taken advanatage of, In Utero is testament to this. Before you put shit on Nirvana I say you do some more learning. Now reply... dickhead.

[atlanticche]

i voted for dave grohl without reading what had been said by comrade la vista

[Ralph]

Originally posted by Comrade La [email protected] 28 2004, 08:48 AM
The Clash were one of the first examples of pop-punk and were another bandwagon group in my mind
u must be an idiot :)

[ComradeRed]

IM saying they are good but they are not geniuses.
But AC/DC is better.

[komsomol]

Nirvana is amazing, good musically, good entertainers and an interesting minset to explore.

[Floyd.]

Basically what I think is that, Nirvana are musical geniuses, not lucky or marketed well. I think they tfought the marketing machine. They were anti-commercial. By the way I don't see them as having solely one great line but all of the lyrics are great but at times slightly abstract. Polly is about rape, School is truly painful and filled with probably more angst than any other song i can think of. Sliver is another childhood memory conveyed with pain and interpreted by cobain as his adult self. I think also only cobain could sing "i think i'm dumb" and not just get away with it but bring real seriousness to it. Heart shaped box (pussy shave into a heart) is a great song of love/hate presumably for courtney. I think sometimes his lyrics may be hard to understand but the same goes for cedric bixler from the mars volta and at the drive in, it would a very narrow minded thing to dispute bixlers lyrics or music as bad, because that's denying a great intelligence and I think the same goes for Cobain. Nirvana were a truly original sound and have forever effected popular music as we know it. Cobain was a really intelligent and talented man, he was a great guitarist, singer, poet and painter. As far as creativity goes, what he accomplished while living, from beyond the grave and what he had the ability to accomplish I'd call him a musical genius. He was a child prodigy. Now here are some lyrics

Heart Shaped Box

She eyes me like a pisces when I am weak
I’ve been locked inside your heart-shaped box for weeks
I’ve been drawn into your magnet tar pit trap
I wish I could eat your cancer when you turn back (alt: ... when you turn black)

Hey! wait!
I’ve got a new complaint
Forever in debt to your priceless advice
Hey! wait! (alt: hate! haight!)
I’ve got a new complaint
Forever in debt to your priceless advice
Hey! wait!
I’ve got a new complaint
Forever in debt to your priceless advice
Your advice

Meat-eating orchids forgive no one just yet
Cut myself on angel’s hair and baby’s breath
Broken hymen of your highness I’m left black
Throw down your umbilical noose so I can climb right back

Hey! wait!
I’ve got a new complaint
Forever in debt to your priceless advice
Hey! wait!
I’ve got a new complaint
Forever in debt to your priceless advice
Hey! wait!
I’ve got a new complaint
Forever in debt to your priceless advice
Your advice

She eyes me like a pisces when I am weak
I’ve been locked inside your heart-shaped box for weeks
I’ve been drawn into your magnet tar pit trap
I wish I could eat your cancer when you turn back (alt: ... when you turn black)

Hey! wait!
I’ve got a new complaint
Forever in debt to your priceless advice
Hey! wait!
I’ve got a new complaint
Forever in debt to your priceless advice
Hey! wait!
I’ve got a new complaint
Forever in debt to your priceless advice

Your advice (x3)

[Floyd.]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 09:00 PM
IM saying they are good but they are not geniuses.
But AC/DC is better.
Are you implying then that the likes of Angus Young and Bon Scott were? I don't think it's at all fair to compare them to nirvana, nirvana fans more hardcore than me would laugh at you... I wait for your reasoning however.

[Floyd.]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 10:27 PM
Mozart, Bach, Brahms, Chopin... These are musical geniuses.
AC/DC, RATM, Led Zeppelin, The Clash... These are neo-musical geniuses.
Nirvana is the sarieli of this generation, a piece of crap.
I realised something in your post; you didn't include Beethoven who is thought of in classical circles to be the greatest of the big composers. You also don't include Nirvan as geniuses... see my point? :ph34r:

[ComradeRed]

I hate beethoven, he's too over rated, likewise with nirvana. True they are good, but over rated nonetheless.

[Floyd.]

Originally posted by Ralph+Jan 28 2004, 06:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Ralph @ Jan 28 2004, 06:22 PM)
Comrade La [email protected] 28 2004, 08:48 AM
The Clash were one of the first examples of pop-punk and were another bandwagon group in my mind
u must be an idiot :) [/b]
I was putting shit on The clash as a collective because I don&#39;t have a truly high opinion of them, they were stealing from reggae and calypso in part to be one of the first examples of ska-punk, but they were pop. I like rock the casbah and london calling but I think that all of their songs bring them down because all of their songs together weren&#39;t that strong and not all can be enjoyed individually. I rar rather what Strummer did when he went on to the mescaleros. To call me an idiot is to insult my intelligence at least ask for the reasoning for my opinion before you make that judgement. The clash were bandwagon though because they didn&#39;t lead the movement, they were a band that had peers; ramones, sex pistols. They also did not start the movement nor did they appear at the very start of the movement nor did they make it their own and own it. The Clash were a bandwagon band, not a bad one but still they were one. I merely think that when compared to Nirvana they don&#39;t have leg to stand on, artistically that is. :ph34r:

[shakermaker]

of course Kurt Cobain, he is God&#33;

Besides he wrote most of their songs, etc. <-don&#39;t care about this one&#33;

[monkeydust]

Would Kurt Cobain have been considered such a god if he didn&#39;t die youg?

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 10:27 PM
Mozart, Bach, Brahms, Chopin... These are musical geniuses.
AC/DC, RATM, Led Zeppelin, The Clash... These are neo-musical geniuses.
Nirvana is the sarieli of this generation, a piece of crap.
AC/DC are well above average, Led Zeppelin are Genius, The Clash are very good but not quite genius... RATM with the one exception of Tom Morrelo are piss poor.

Nirvana eat RATM.

[Marxist in Nebraska]

I voted for Cobain. Nirvana is great, more appealing to me than the Foo Fighters, and I do not know about any of Novaselic&#39;s post-Nirvana work.

"Electra" said Nirvana&#39;s lyrics did not make sense. I disagree. Some of them are not entirely literal, but there is sense to be made from them.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Mozart, Bach, Brahms, Chopin... These are musical geniuses.

Very true.

AC/DC - Very good band, hardly genius.

RATM - You must be kidding me.

Led Zeppelin - Probably the best rock and rolll band ever, amazing singer, amazing lead guitarist (with the bluesy riffery), supersonic bass and a drummer who did kick ass solos. If you doubt Zeppelin you don&#39;t understand rock and roll. The Doors were also genius, they say you need two good musicians for a band to be good and they had four.

The Clash - Again an above average but hardly genius band.

Pink Floyd would be genius.

Nirvana - Not very good technically but Cobain could make his guitar wail like his voice. I dont like their music but I recognise some kind of magic in there, voice of a generation etc. Were any of you actually around for Nirvana?

[synthesis]

RATM with the one exception of Tom Morrelo are piss poor.

Zach de la Rocha is actually a pretty good lyricist. I don&#39;t even like that band, but de la Rocha created some pretty memorable lines.

[New Direction]

My favourite Nirvanna song is Radio Friendly Unit Shifter on the CD In Utero. Whenever I get pissed off at things (which is pretty regular&#33;) I put that on full volume and it lets some of the anger out.

Cobain is/was a genius.

[atlanticche]

as i said before i did vote for dave grohl,
but i know which i had voted for kurt cobain, who else could write such great songs like he did and especially the lyrics and the ones on "On A Plain", who else could make them work, and still make them sound so great

ON A PLAIN

I&#39;ll start this off without any words
I got so high that i scratched &#39;till i bled

I love myself, better than you
You know it&#39;s wrong, so what should i do?

The finest day that i ever had
Was when i learned to cry on command

I love myself, better than you
You know it&#39;s wrong so what should i do

I&#39;m on a plain
I can&#39;t complain
I&#39;m on a plain

My mother dies every night
It&#39;s safe to say "Don&#39;t quote me on that"

I love myself, better than you
You know it&#39;s wrong, so what should i do?

The black sheep got blackmailed again
Forgot to put on the zip code

I love myself, better than you
You know it&#39;s wrong so what should i do


Somewhere i have heard this before
In a dream my memory has stored
As a defense i&#39;m neutered and spayed
What the hell am i trying to say?

It is now time to make it unclear
To write down lines that don&#39;t make a sense

I love myself better than you
You know it&#39;s wrong so what should i do

I&#39;m on a plain
I can&#39;t complain
I&#39;m on a plain
I can&#39;t complain
I&#39;m on a plain
I can&#39;t complain
I&#39;m on a plain
I can&#39;t complain
I&#39;m on a plain
I can&#39;t complain

[The Children of the Revolution]

Kurt Cobain WAS a genius.

The music is fantastic, the lyrics are wonderful, but the Performance is PERFECTION&#33;&#33; Buy (or download, whatever) the Unplugged album; every song is a gem. His voice is up there with the best (Freddie Mercury Et All) and the emotion he puts into the performance IS unrivalled.

Rock and Roll, man&#33;

[ComradeRed]

I HATE PINK FLOYD&#33;&#33; :angry: Nirvana is better than pink floyd yet worse than the ones I mentioned.

[Floyd.]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 08:22 PM
Would Kurt Cobain have been considered such a god if he didn&#39;t die youg?
Yes he would. Nirvana had virtual control of an intelligent music youth even before he died.

[Floyd.]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 05:00 AM
I hate beethoven, he&#39;s too over rated, likewise with nirvana. True they are good, but over rated nonetheless.
I assume you mean good compared to other geniuses but in the grand spectrum of music Nirvana are without a doubt genius. I fucking hate Pink Floyd, Roger Waters is one of the biggest wankers to ever live the music is intolerable. I hate dark side of the moon and the wall is only bearable as a movie not an album. But then again I&#39;m biased (My birth name is Floyd and I copped shit for it my whole life until it was changed)

[atlanticche]

Nirvana are not the greatest band ever, but they are anything but overated, they have overshadowed other bands who are just as good, like alice in chains and soundgarden, they were the first band to really get grunge onto the mainstream

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2004, 06:58 AM
I HATE PINK FLOYD&#33;&#33; :angry: Nirvana is better than pink floyd yet worse than the ones I mentioned.
Sorry but you just proved you have no clue...

If their was a door I would point and say leave.

Pink Floyd are probably in the top 5 top bands ever.

[Floyd.]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2004, 12:53 PM
Pink Floyd are probably in the top 5 top bands ever.
Do you mean in terms of originality or sound or both? Because Pink Floyd Haven&#39;t had much of an affect on musicians around now so much as they have avante garde musicians; which be definition isn&#39;t music as it doesn&#39;t follow a predictable beat rhythm or sound. It&#39;s just straight art in a musical format. I think Pink Floyd were more arty than listening for enjoyment. Do you agree? Please clarify.

[atlanticche]

Pink Floyd do deserve to be in the top 5 bands ever for there originality, there lyrics, and anything they did acoustilcally like "Wish You Were Here?", though there music isnt great, but on every album there is at least one great song
though they are not as good nirvana or almost anything done by grunge bands on mtv unplugged

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Comrade La Vista+Jan 31 2004, 01:02 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Comrade La Vista @ Jan 31 2004, 01:02 PM)
[email protected] 31 2004, 12:53 PM
Pink Floyd are probably in the top 5 top bands ever.
Do you mean in terms of originality or sound or both? Because Pink Floyd Haven&#39;t had much of an affect on musicians around now so much as they have avante garde musicians; which be definition isn&#39;t music as it doesn&#39;t follow a predictable beat rhythm or sound. It&#39;s just straight art in a musical format. I think Pink Floyd were more arty than listening for enjoyment. Do you agree? Please clarify. [/b]
what makes a good band?

Lyrics... Pink Floyd are excelent.

Origionality... Pink Floyd are excelent, thier style is completely unique, and sounds excelent. Wish you were here is a masterly Album, as is dark Side of the Moon, etc. Rodger waters wrote excelent music, thats all their is too it.

Sound (two catagories) Instrumentlly... I doubt you will find more that 5-6 Guitarists in history who are better than David Gimour.

Vocally... All opinion of course but Syd Barrett, David Gilmour sound damn good.

Not to mention they survived a member going mad and having to quit the band. How many other bads have got through that and survived?



Pink Floyd are great, well in the top 5 ever.

[Ortega]

Originally posted by Comrade La Vista+Jan 31 2004, 07:12 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Comrade La Vista @ Jan 31 2004, 07:12 AM)
[email protected] 30 2004, 08:22 PM
Would Kurt Cobain have been considered such a god if he didn&#39;t die youg?
Yes he would. Nirvana had virtual control of an intelligent music youth even before he died. [/b]
It was his lyrics and his attitude that made him a "god," not his death...

[GWF]

Nirvana was great, especially &#39;cause they were radical, anti-commercial, and true to their roots, most of all Cobain, he was the genius behind the entire band. He had a really traumatising life and problems with his fame, he didn&#39;t like it.
I think that an artist musn&#39;t make music for the money, but for himself, Kurt was this artist.
Dave Grohl on the other hand, went commercial with his Foo Fighters, so I don&#39;t respect him nomore.

[dark fairy]

nirvana holds a special part of me so i vote kurt even though those other people might be worth while

[SgtPepper369]

Cobain is ovverated, but does deserve credit. In my opinion Cobain will be as Iconic as Jim Morrison. Not the John Lennon that everyone else seems to think he is. I think Grohl is probably the better of the three since he was the foo fighters.

[RedAnarchist]

i voted for Cobain.

True about him being overrated, but still had talent

[sXe]

Dave Grohl, the mans legend in his own right, Nirvana suck, and so do the foo&#39;s for the most part, but u gotta love him and all his prjects.

Plus the video for Probot&#39;s shake your blood is fantastic.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2004, 06:58 AM
I HATE PINK FLOYD&#33;&#33; :angry: Nirvana is better than pink floyd yet worse than the ones I mentioned.

My God, somebody who believes Nirvana were better than the Floyd. Now there is something I have never read before.