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Sinister Intents
26th March 2014, 01:36
Hello everyone. I'm writing an argumentative essay and I'm writing against statism, but I have all those sources that I need. A google search is proving difficult for me, so my question is what fascist and right wing literature could I read for pro statism arguments, so I can demolish them in my paper? My one pro state source will be using the Mein Kampf vol. 2 chapter 2. Another I think I could use is Mussolini's The Doctrine of Fascism
Thanks in advance.
Queen Mab
26th March 2014, 01:37
Hobbes' Leviathan.
Sinister Intents
26th March 2014, 01:40
Hobbes' Leviathan.
Specific parts of the book that'd help?
This isn't going to work at this point. I'm in a crunch thanks to this class, the finished product due Saturday and I work tomorrow, which sucks for me, I'm gonna fuck this essay up...
G4b3n
26th March 2014, 02:50
If you are arguing against statism in general I don't think it is fruitful to cite Hitler or Mussolini, unless you are arguing against fascism specifically. Bourgeois ideology sees the state not as something that can be smashed or implemented but as a reality of economic organization and human existence. This is why you are not going to see any statists arguing "we need a state because X", to the bourgeoisie, these things are self evident. As Marx said, "they can not imagine a society in which men of ceased to be bourgeois".
These are the convictions you should be attacking, because these are the convictions that hinder the creation of a stateless society. I would do this by citing examples of anarchism historically such as the Free territory or revolutionary Spain.
Another decent argument that many anarchists favor is the assertion that anarchism is the genuine ideological continuation of classical liberal thought, a branch of thought which was killed by the realities of industrial capitalism. You can cite classical liberals like Smith and Humboldt who warn of the dangers of things such as division of labor and labor being subjected to outside orders.
Sinister Intents
26th March 2014, 03:26
If you are arguing against statism in general I don't think it is fruitful to cite Hitler or Mussolini, unless you are arguing against fascism specifically. Bourgeois ideology sees the state not as something that can be smashed or implemented but as a reality of economic organization and human existence. This is why you are not going to see any statists arguing "we need a state because X", to the bourgeoisie, these things are self evident. As Marx said, "they can not imagine a society in which men of ceased to be bourgeois".
These are the convictions you should be attacking, because these are the convictions that hinder the creation of a stateless society. I would do this by citing examples of anarchism historically such as the Free territory or revolutionary Spain.
Another decent argument that many anarchists favor is the assertion that anarchism is the genuine ideological continuation of classical liberal thought, a branch of thought which was killed by the realities of industrial capitalism. You can cite classical liberals like Smith and Humboldt who warn of the dangers of things such as division of labor and labor being subjected to outside orders.
Thanks for this comrade, it quite changes how I'm going about this essay at this moment, I'm working every day and long hours, and I'm panicked I won't have a rough draft. This should help though and I'll change my focus to hit this. My original logic was to use two direct opposites ideologically speaking, but then I was thinking of statist Marxists which also has shown me I need to change the scope a bit and you gave a better scope of this, thanks.
G4b3n
2nd April 2014, 02:31
Thanks for this comrade, it quite changes how I'm going about this essay at this moment, I'm working every day and long hours, and I'm panicked I won't have a rough draft. This should help though and I'll change my focus to hit this. My original logic was to use two direct opposites ideologically speaking, but then I was thinking of statist Marxists which also has shown me I need to change the scope a bit and you gave a better scope of this, thanks.
How is the essay coming along comrade?
Sinister Intents
2nd April 2014, 03:41
How is the essay coming along comrade?
It's done :) I changed my subject to abortion for my argumentative essay and obviously I argued pro choice because it was easier. I couldn't find good antithesis sources, but plenty of anti state sources or sources that are weary of the state and disdainful of the state.
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