Another question

[Y2A]

Do you think it was right for the U.S to side with the Soviet Union under Stalin to fight the Nazi's???

[BuyOurEverything]

Yes, absolutely.

[LSD]

It wasn't really a choice.

Russia was fighting Germany, Germany had declared war on the US, hence they both fought Germany.

[El Brujo]

The question should be: Was it right for Stalin to side with the US against the Nazi's.

And the answer would be: Yes. An enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[Pete]

An enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Poor justification.

The enemy of the United States are 'terrorists' such as 'Osama bin Laden' but they are in no way our friends.

[cubist]

an enemy of my enemy should have his integrity and reason for being an enemy questioned before becoming a friend of mine

[monkeydust]

As much as I detest the US, In the early 1940's they were not as 'bad' as they are today. And as LaD mentioned, they had no real choice, they were both fighting the same enemy, whther or not they liked it, each side would be helping the other.

[Pete]

As much as I detest the US, In the early 1940's they were not as 'bad' as they are today.

It may be arguable that towards their own people they were much worse.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 06:45 PM
As much as I detest the US, In the early 1940's they were not as 'bad' as they are today. And as LaD mentioned, they had no real choice, they were both fighting the same enemy, whther or not they liked it, each side would be helping the other.
I would argue they where worse, even before that, look at the spanish american war.
If anything they are/where equally as bad. In WWI the USA had no bussiness being there.

[Edelweiss]

Originally posted by El [email protected] 27 2004, 08:53 AM
An enemy of my enemy is my friend.
So you would agree to side with Nazis, against your favorite enemy Israel?

[Enver Hoxha]

Why would he do that?

Anyway I agree with El Brujo in that the question should be, 'should the USSR of actively allied with British and American Imperialism against the Nazis?'

In response to the originall question they (The U$A) really weren't that greater allies in the first place. Sure all credit should go to the American soldiers who fought and died against the evil that was German Imperialism at the time but that doesn't change the fact that it was the USSR that killed 9 out of every 10 Fascist soldiers, that it was Communist partisans that liberated Rome and most of Italy, that it was Mao's PLA who held down twice as many Japanese Divisions than were ever fighting the Americans, that in Yugoslavia 17 German Divisions were fighting and dying against Communist Partisans, in Albania to there were something like 40,000 Fascists fighting and dying. Add the liberations in Malaya, Greece, Phillipines and Vietnam aswell as millions of Communists in western Europe (in particularly France) and it's pretty clear that America and Britain really weren't that greater help.

[Al Creed]

A more Apt quotation would be:

"Politics Makes For Odd Bedfellows"

The US and The USSR, although in any other circumstance, would oppose one another, formed a Uneasy partnership, along with the British Commonwealth and Free France, in order to fight a power which threatened them all.

Were they all friends? No, Not in the least bit, but (to throw a cliche at you) when desperate times called for desperate measures, all parties could (for the moment) set aside major hostilities.

[LSD]

The question should be: Was it right for Stalin to side with the US against the Nazi's.

Why??

Stalin was fighting Germany 6 months before Pearl Harbor. The US joined later and didn't really do much in Europe for about 2 years.

Besides, it's not like Stalin decided that fighting Germany would be a fun old time, we all do remember that the USSR was invaded. Stalin had no choice but to fight the Nazis, he had no choice but to accept help from anyone who could help him defend the country (and, incidently, his own life). The US had a choice, they really didn't have to intervene in Europe.

So I think the question is far more valid as it was posed.

[Edelweiss]

Originally posted by Enver [email protected] 27 2004, 10:04 PM
Why would he do that?

Because THAT is a logical conclusion from his stupid "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" moral. Which would also mean to side with BinLaden and other sickos BTW...

[Widget Master]

I need a life.

[monkeydust]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 06:49 PM

As much as I detest the US, In the early 1940's they were not as 'bad' as they are today.

It may be arguable that towards their own people they were much worse.
A fair point, however much of the treatment towards their own people, was not so bad in reflection to the rest of the world at the time, and perhaps more importantly was a result of the Great depression.

Admittedly they did some 'bad' things before, only now tey just seem to me....well kind of sinister almost with their global corparations, growing imperialism, self-righteousness etc.

[Pete]

Well if you remember the treatment of pro-union activists (disclaimer: I am not an expert of 20th Century US domestic history, so feel free to correct me on any or all mistakes in a friendly manner :) ), and, as I believe el profe mentioned the US was not isolationist. They had torn large chunks away from Mexico, the nation now known as 'Panama' was taken from Columbia so they could build the canal under favourable conditions, and there had been multiple international interventions (such as in Cuba during their third attempt at independance [note: the first one was the 'long war' and then the 'short war' and then this final war which Jose Marti fought and died in]) in their own favour.

America was more contained to the Western Hemisphere, but not completely, as we can see with the Phillipine intervention and de facto take over.

Technology and other factors, such as industrial production and a nation still licking its wounds from a long, bloody civil war may account for the smaller 'reach' of the American 'Empire' of a century ago, but it was in no way 'better' than it is today.

-Pete

[LuZhiming]

It depends what you mean here. I don't agree with the motivations for the U.S. for going into that war, but I would support fighting that war.(With the Soviets)

[monkeydust]

I was largely reffering to the 30's and 40's however I take your point here and must admit I agree to an extent. (sorry if this is a 1 liner post)

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Originally posted by Malte+Jan 27 2004, 03:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Malte @ Jan 27 2004, 03:14 PM)
El [email protected] 27 2004, 08:53 AM
An enemy of my enemy is my friend.
So you would agree to side with Nazis, against your favorite enemy Israel? [/b]
I think that it would depend on the situation. If Israel were on the verge of world domination, and the Nazis posed no threat what so ever, I would say yes, but I would never regard "the enemy of my enemy" as my friend, but merely as temporary allies when fighting against a larger, more immediate threat. If worse came to worse, I would side with a Nazi if need be, but I also would not hesitate to stab that ally in the back when the time was right.

[John Galt]

Enemy of my enemy is bullshit.


Choosing the lesser of two evils is some justification though.

[New Tolerance]

Originally posted by John [email protected] 27 2004, 11:47 PM
Enemy of my enemy is bullshit.


Choosing the lesser of two evils is some justification though.
I actually agree, the "enemy of my enemy" thing is the oldest propaganda trick in the book.

[El Brujo]

Originally posted by Malte+Jan 28 2004, 06:33 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Malte @ Jan 28 2004, 06:33 AM)
Enver [email protected] 27 2004, 10:04 PM
Why would he do that?

Because THAT is a logical conclusion from his stupid "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" moral. Which would also mean to side with BinLaden and other sickos BTW...[/b]
Um, no buddy. If somebody actively opposes your agenda, they are your enemy&#39;s as well. Osama Bin-Laden is and always has been actively anti-communist, so have the Nazi&#39;s. And they continue to do so even though western imperialism is the most dangerous and powerfull world force. During WWII, the US was concentrating on Germany and Japan and was willing to set differences aside with the USSR. Besides, Nazi&#39;s have inconsistent sympathies, they "oppose" Israel but they are very much fond of their "racialist paradises" in Rhodesia and South Africa, which were fully supported and equipped by Israel: http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Global_S...el_SAfrica.html (http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Global_Secrets_Lies/Israel_SAfrica.html)

Israel is my "favourite enemy" today for the same reason the Nazis would have been my favourite enemy&#39;s 60 years ago. They represent genocide and war conducted by the upper classes with full support of the international community under the banner of political correctness. And you, my friend, buy into it with a lot of ease.

[Edelweiss]

Originally posted by El Brujo+Jan 28 2004, 12:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (El Brujo @ Jan 28 2004, 12:49 PM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 06:33 AM

Enver [email protected] 27 2004, 10:04 PM
Why would he do that?

Because THAT is a logical conclusion from his stupid "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" moral. Which would also mean to side with BinLaden and other sickos BTW...
Um, no buddy. If somebody actively opposes your agenda, they are your enemy&#39;s as well. Osama Bin-Laden is and always has been actively anti-communist, so have the Nazi&#39;s. And they continue to do so even though western imperialism is the most dangerous and powerfull world force. During WWII, the US was concentrating on Germany and Japan and was willing to set differences aside with the USSR. Besides, Nazi&#39;s have inconsistent sympathies, they "oppose" Israel but they are very much fond of their "racialist paradises" in Rhodesia and South Africa, which were fully supported and equipped by Israel: http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Global_S...el_SAfrica.html (http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Global_Secrets_Lies/Israel_SAfrica.html)

Israel is my "favourite enemy" today for the same reason the Nazis would have been my favourite enemy&#39;s 60 years ago. They represent genocide and war conducted by the upper classes with full support of the international community under the banner of political correctness. And you, my friend, buy into it with a lot of ease. [/b]
The way you are constantly using the term "political correctness" reaveals you to be on the right-wing in a lot of your views in social questions, you are far away from any emancipated, leftist stance. But that is nothing new, and common phenomenon among you Stalinists. most of you are leftist only on the surface, and deeply conservative within. Also, your unhistorical, inappropriated, unsensible and just disgusting Nazi-Isreal comparison reveals you to be a critc from a right-wing perspective, not a left-wing. The Nazi-Isreal comparison is usually made by the radical right to play down the Nazi crimes, and to make culprits out of victims. And you, my friend, buy into it with a lot of ease. There is NOTHING what Isael and Nazi Germany have remotely in common, there is no industrialized killing of a while ethnic group, nor are there any other characteristics of a fascist state. Yes, I do support the right of Isael to exist, now I&#39;m probaply an evil, zionist traitor for you. But for me Auschwitz has shown that there ha to be a Jewish state which secures the welfare of the Jewish people, as ong as there is anti-semitism, there have to be a Jewish state. Of course I do Isael in it&#39;s current form, and with it&#39;s current politics towards the Palestinians, but that doesn&#39;t stop me to see a "neccessary evil" in Isael.
Concerning your still stupid ""the enemy of my enemy is my friend" moral, it lacks of logic, you haven&#39;t convinced me at all. Where will you draw the line, if you say that if the enemy of your enemy might be your enemy too? Why have such a moral at all than? What is making a friend out the enemy of the enemy"? How reactionary can he be? I don&#39;t see any need to have such a moral at all, if you say by yourself it isn&#39;t a universal logic, because the enemy of your enemy" can be your enemy as well, if he&#39;s too blatantly and obvious on the wrong side.

BTW: As a radical leftist, your "favorite enemy" shoudn&#39;t be a single nation, a person or a ethnic group, it should be the whole, inhuman system of capitalism, or at least the ruling class. But I know, in your simplistic, narrow-minded and totally anti-semitic view, the Jews are the ruling class, "the eploiters of the working class", which once again reveals on which side you actually are.

[El Brujo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 01:57 AM
The way you are constantly using the term "political correctness" reaveals you to be on the right-wing in a lot of your views in social questions, you are far away from any emancipated, leftist stance.
If having common sense makes me a "right-winger" then so be it. Im interested in improving conditions for the working class and the oppressed, not looking for a label to identify myself with. It just so happens that I don&#39;t support one form of genocidal imperialism over another and that I don&#39;t believe Jews have the right to oppress another ethnicity and get away with it just because they were oppressed in the past. Go on supporting the ethnic cleansing going on in the Middle East and believing every single piece of western propaganda thrown at you (then ask yourself who here is the right-winger). Don&#39;t expect any sympathy from me, the working class or the oppressed, though.


But that is nothing new, and common phenomenon among you Stalinists. most of you are leftist only on the surface, and deeply conservative within.

*yawn* more BS about "Stalinists." You cant seem to make more than two or three posts without name-calling and bringing up the Stalin issue. Isn&#39;t it a bit of a double-standard that we would be restricted for generalizing and calling someone a Trot/Hippie/Anarchist?


Also, your unhistorical, inappropriated, unsensible and just disgusting Nazi-Isreal comparison reveals you to be a critc from a right-wing perspective, not a left-wing. The Nazi-Isreal comparison is usually made by the radical right to play down the Nazi crimes, and to make culprits out of victims. And you, my friend, buy into it with a lot of ease. There is NOTHING what Isael and Nazi Germany have remotely in common, there is no industrialized killing of a while ethnic group, nor are there any other characteristics of a fascist state.

Wow, so the radical right tries to use Israel&#39;s crimes to down-play Nazi crimes. I don&#39;t, so what&#39;s your point? That is a very weak argument for my "right-wingedness." New Leftists are usually worthless, pot-smoking, liberal hippies, would you like it if I called you one? I use the Nazi-Zionist comparison to point out that the west (particularly the US) is supporting racism while claiming to fight it. Israel may not be socio-economically "fascist" that dosen&#39;t mean it isn&#39;t racist. Ariel Sharon as well as the right-wing Likud party have an agenda to expel all Palestinians from "Israel" and Hafia supports putting the Palestinians in ghetto&#39;s with no civil rights (gee, what does that remind you of?). The Zionists use the same types of propaghanda the Nazis did to make it unacceptable to oppose them, using the accusation of "anti-semitism" the same way the Nazis used the accusation of "anti-German" and that the neo-Nazis use the accusation of "anti-white" and portraying Jews as victims in every situation much as Nazis did with germans and neo-nazis do with white people. Israel more is more comparable to South Africa than Nazi Germany, but is that somehow acceptable?


Yes, I do support the right of Isael to exist, now I&#39;m probaply an evil, zionist traitor for you. But for me Auschwitz has shown that there ha to be a Jewish state which secures the welfare of the Jewish people, as ong as there is anti-semitism, there have to be a Jewish state. Of course I do Isael in it&#39;s current form, and with it&#39;s current politics towards the Palestinians, but that doesn&#39;t stop me to see a "neccessary evil" in Isael.

Do explain how Auzwitz has "shown" that there is a "need" for a Jewish state? You are saying that by self-segregation and occupation of a foreign territory in the third world, relations between Jews and other ethnicities will improve? That argument boarders on racism and the notion that "if you don&#39; know them, you can&#39;t hate them." After WW2, anti-semitism as an establishment ceased to exist. Jews are no longer an "oppressed people" in whatever communities they live in and now form part of the oppression by the west over the third world in the form of Israel. I support the existance of Israel now because it is not feasible to make such a mass mobilization after over 50 years of its existance (though it should be defeated, disarmed and pushed back a respectable ammount of territory for any hope of "peace" in the Middle-East), but it was not a necessary creation in the first place.


Concerning your still stupid ""the enemy of my enemy is my friend" moral, it lacks of logic, you haven&#39;t convinced me at all. Where will you draw the line, if you say that if the enemy of your enemy might be your enemy too? Why have such a moral at all than? What is making a friend out the enemy of the enemy"? How reactionary can he be? I don&#39;t see any need to have such a moral at all, if you say by yourself it isn&#39;t a universal logic, because the enemy of your enemy" can be your enemy as well, if he&#39;s too blatantly and obvious on the wrong side.

If you didn&#39;t take everything so literally, you would understand that what I mean by "enemy of an enemy is my friend" is siding with someone that has both an agenda closer to your own and has less a chance of becoming a dangerous world power. That being said I don&#39;t believe Aristide is perfect, but his opposition is backed by imperialism which is more dangerous and obviously has an agenda antagonistic towards mine, so I support him.


BTW: As a radical leftist, your "favorite enemy" shoudn&#39;t be a single nation, a person or a ethnic group, it should be the whole, inhuman system of capitalism, or at least the ruling class. But I know, in your simplistic, narrow-minded and totally anti-semitic view, the Jews are the ruling class, "the eploiters of the working class", which once again reveals on which side you actually are.

Jews are part of the ruling class, I never said it consisted solely of them. Being a radical leftist also includes fighting racism and imperialism, that is why I am staunchly anti-Zionist. If you are an anti-racist and an anti-imperialist and you are not brainwashed by western propaghanda, you should be too.

[mia wallace]

i guess it was alright according to the situation they were in...

[Edelweiss]

Israel more is more comparable to South Africa than Nazi Germany, but is that somehow acceptable?

Indeed, that would be a much more sensible, historical and proper comparison, and no, it&#39;s not acceptable. Why not use it, instead of keeping on with the bullshit rhetoric about the alleged simularities between Nazi Germany and Israel? That comparison is a slap in the face of every victim of the holocaust, and shows again on which ideological side you stand. Again, the key eleement of Nazi fascism was the industralized killing of a whole ethic group, that isn&#39;t existing at all in Isael, nor there is any organized genocide with the goal to erase a whole ethnicity. So just stop your Nazi-Israel comparisons, it helping noone but the true fascists. The comparison IS playing down the Nazi crimes, if you fail to see that, I can just doubt your leftist consciousness. But I guess you&#39;ll never undertand that...



Jews are part of the ruling class

You once again reveal your anti-semitic nature, and your simplistic view on capitalism. You are in no way different to German neo-fascists, if you would speak German I would give yo links to their pamphlets, I can&#39;t see any significant difference between your stance, and theirs. The Jews are your enemy no. 1, and theirs. But you&#39;ll never realize the anti-semitic nature of your ideology, everyone who&#39;s critisizing your clear, and open anti-semitism is on the side of Sharon and Bush in your black-white world view.

BTW: How do I have support ethic cleansings in my first post??? I was criticising your right-wing rhetoric about my alleged "political correctness", which is admitingly exegerated by some leftists, but nevertheless still a term invented by the conservatives, the reactionaries to denounce progressive thinking. The way you are constantly using it reveals you to be on their site.

[bubbrubb]

I think it was right because the enmey pretty much to evryone was germany and they were both fighting so why not help out someone else

[El Brujo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 06:51 AM

Israel more is more comparable to South Africa than Nazi Germany, but is that somehow acceptable?

Indeed, that would be a much more sensible, historical and proper comparison, and no, it&#39;s not acceptable. Why not use it, instead of keeping on with the bullshit rhetoric about the alleged simularities between Nazi Germany and Israel?
I have used the Israel-South Africa comparison a countless ammount of times, both here and in other boards, as well as pointing out the close ties between the two nations. I rarely ever use the Zionist-Nazi comparison except when people try to forge the "fact" that anti-zionism=anti-semitism to point out that the zionists are the only ones who are being rather fascistic. You asked if I would ally with Nazis because their anti-Israel and that&#39;s why I made the point that I hate Zionists for the same reason I hate Nazis.



Jews are part of the ruling class

You once again reveal your anti-semitic nature, and your simplistic view on capitalism. You are in no way different to German neo-fascists, if you would speak German I would give yo links to their pamphlets, I can&#39;t see any significant difference between your stance, and theirs. The Jews are your enemy no. 1, and theirs. But you&#39;ll never realize the anti-semitic nature of your ideology, everyone who&#39;s critisizing your clear, and open anti-semitism is on the side of Sharon and Bush in your black-white world view.

Humor me, Malte. Please tell me how that comment makes me an "anti-semite." First of all, you took it completely out of context, here is what I said: Jews are part of the ruling class, I never said it consisted solely of them. I didn&#39;t make any generalizing statement about Jews, only pointed out the fact that there are Jews in the ruling class. Are you going to deny that there are? Second of all, I oppose all religious fundamentalism, weather Jewish, Christian, Muslim or whatever else. Jews aren&#39;t my "enemy #1" (I have jewish friends, believe it or not), the US government and the state of Israel are. Israel for being racist, anti-secular and bourgeoisie and the US for the same reasons.


BTW: How do I have support ethic cleansings in my first post???

By supporting the state of Israel, you are supporting ethnic cleansing, directly or indirectly.


I was criticising your right-wing rhetoric about my alleged "political correctness", which is admitingly exegerated by some leftists, but nevertheless still a term invented by the conservatives, the reactionaries to denounce progressive thinking. The way you are constantly using it reveals you to be on their site.

How is my "rhetoric" about political correctness right-wing? Political Correctness isn&#39;t a matter of "left" and "right," it is a matter of common sense. Neo-conservatives use political correctness to denounce anyone that criticizes the US&#39;s pro-Zionist foreign policy as an "anti-semite" due to the fact that Jews were killed in the holocaust (something completely irrelevant to what is going on in the Middle East today) and that we should have sympathy for Israel because of that. Politically correct people let their emotions get in the way of the movement because they do what seems to be the right thing rather than what is. You can give me holocaust pictures and tell me stories about Jewish families that were killed in the holocaust until I cry or vomit a river, but that still won&#39;t stop me from supporting the Palestinians against the terrorist state of Israel.

[Zanzibar]

America didn&#39;t choose to fight with the Soviet Union. The Third Reich declared war on America.

At anyrate I think it was acceptable for the two to work together in that instance. Fascism, even about capitalism, is our biggest enemy.

Just the same, the Americans were allready cutting the nazis deals in oder to obatian information on the Russians - even before the war was even over.

[Edelweiss]

El Brujo, don&#39;t fool me what you said was "[the] Jews are part of the ruling class", at ISF you once said shit like "the Jews are the exploiters of the working class", THAT, my friend, is classic anti-semitism in it&#39;s purest form, just substract the allegations that Jews also control the communist movement, and you have a rhetoric that you could easily find in any issue of "Der Stürmer".
It reamins the fact that "polical correctness" was a term that was invented by conservatives to denounce leftist, progressive thinking, and you are using that term with exactly that purpose. I don&#39;t see anything wrong with pointing you to the fact that Nazi-Isael comparisons are simply false and unhistorical, and normally just used by the fascists, if you call that "political correctness" you are using just their rhetoric to cover your anti-semitism.
Many zionists admitingly hide bewteen their allegitions to everyone who&#39;s criticising Israel, and Sharon&#39;s criminal politics, as anti-semite. I do not do that, nor do I think that anti-semitism is the same as anti-zionism. What I&#39;m doing is trying to expose the true anti-semites, such as yourself, within the leftist movement to kick them out, to avoid to give the enemy any more justifications for their allegations of anti-semitism within the radical Left.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

I vote Redstar as president of Isreal&#33; :ph34r: That would fix that conflict REAL good.

[El Brujo]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 08:42 AM
El Brujo, don&#39;t fool me what you said was "[the] Jews are part of the ruling class", at ISF you once said shit like "the Jews are the exploiters of the working class", THAT, my friend, is classic anti-semitism in it&#39;s purest form, just substract the allegations that Jews also control the communist movement, and you have a rhetoric that you could easily find in any issue of "Der Stürmer".
I did not say the Jews are a part of the ruling class, did I? I said "Jews are a part of the ruling class" as in, there are Jews in the ruling class. I also intended to point out that fundamentalist Jews have an imperialist agenda, nothing more. And please point out where I ever said anything along the lines of the Jews being the exploiters of the working class at ISF. I may have made criticisms of Judeism as a religion but I have never made an attack on the Jews.*


It reamins the fact that "polical correctness" was a term that was invented by conservatives to denounce leftist, progressive thinking, and you are using that term with exactly that purpose.

And that is completely irrelevant. It may have been the case when the use of the term began but times have changed. It is a fact that neo-con&#39;s use political correctness to push their agenda, that is why I believe leftists should avoid it. If you see everything concerning the "left" and the "right" in such a black-and-white fashion then you have a lot of learning to do.


I don&#39;t see anything wrong with pointing you to the fact that Nazi-Isael comparisons are simply false and unhistorical, and normally just used by the fascists, if you call that "political correctness" you are using just their rhetoric to cover your anti-semitism.

I never said that the Nazi-Zionist comparison was completely accurate and historical. You obviously didn&#39;t read my whole post. I point out similarities between Israel and Nazi Germany when people accuse me of being an "anti-semite" to point out that their rhetoric is in fact closer to fascism than mine. It&#39;s not that hard to grasp.

PS: Why would fascists want to point out similarities between Nazi Germany and Israel? Do you have any idea what a ridiculous statement that is? If they did that, they would be comparing themselves their arch enemy, the "ZOG."


Many zionists admitingly hide bewteen their allegitions to everyone who&#39;s criticising Israel, and Sharon&#39;s criminal politics, as anti-semite. I do not do that, nor do I think that anti-semitism is the same as anti-zionism.

Good, then stop making whitty remarks about my "anti-semitism."


What I&#39;m doing is trying to expose the true anti-semites, such as yourself, within the leftist movement to kick them out, to avoid to give the enemy any more justifications for their allegations of anti-semitism within the radical Left.

Blah, blah, fucking blah. Look if you wan&#39;t to live in your dream world and believe that I am an anti-semite, go on. I know the facts and the facts are that I see the fight against zionism as part of the fight against racism and imperialism, my best friend is Indian, 90% of my freinds from Chicago are Mexican, the longest friendship Ive had is with a black person straight out of St. Vincent & Grenadines, most of my girlfriends were Asian and I have many Jewish friends. Furthermore, me and some friends are trying to start a SHARP chapter down here to counter the rise of the WP movement. Now, if all of this isn&#39;t a big slap in the face to my alledged racism and "anti-semitism" I don&#39;t know what is. It wouldn&#39;t surprise me that someone who accuses me of being a fascist because of my love for my nation and my people would believe this is all bullshit Im making up to cover up my "rhetoric". If you want, go on and ask comrade Reuben from this board and comrade Nateddi from ISF (both Jews) what they think of me. They understand me much more than you even pretend to.

* Im not sure, but it is possible that I may have made some provocative comments during the war when ISF began. If that is the case, you should know that apart from being pissed off about the war, I was having some personal problems at the time.

[Xvall]

The Enemy of my Enemy is my human shield.