Virtues of communist man

[iloveatomickitten]

What are the virtues (and vices) of the 'new socialist man' - beyond simple altruism and and egoism respectively what is drives him, what make communsim work or fail (in yor eyes)? Also how do you 'make' this man?

[The Feral Underclass]

aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! !!!!!! (pulls at hair)

[toastedmonkey]

I believe you will achieve this through education, people will work for the betterment of society rather than themselves. As Natural Selection is no longer such a problem to humans, the techniques and procedures we undergo to survive are no longer essential.
Instead with everybodies future secured they will be driven by their care and thought of humanity.

[Misodoctakleidist]

I think you are to quick to discount the magnitude of social forces which shape the way people think and behave, simply changing class relations within a society can have a huge impact on the way in which people act.

[iloveatomickitten]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 26 2004, 09:30 PM
aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! !!!!!! (pulls at hair)
I'm truly sorry but I have to ask. I have a great repect for you but all I get is armchair revolutionaries people obsessed with communism (miso to be exact). I simply want to know how this is going to help stop the expliotation you quite clearly feel passionately about and passion most people lack.

[toastedmonkey]

I think it would begin in ernest once the revolution has been won. It would be difficult to give communist propaganda through education currently, but one would imagine that the revolutionaries leading the way would already be somewhere near achieving the ideal.

[redstar2000]

Traditionally, many leftists have held out the image of "selflessness" as a "virtue" of "socialist/communist man".

This seems unlikely to me.

I think people will be much as they are now...except for their perception that "acquiring stuff" is not the "purpose of life".

Capitalism demands the endless accumulation of personal wealth in order to provide "security" against the threats of...capitalism. The more you have, the "safer" you are.

That motivation will no longer exist...everyone will be materially secure.

Things will be put into their proper place--a matter of trivial importance.

Which shouldn't be taken to mean that there still won't be people who concern themselves with trivia...but most people will laugh at them.

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The RedStar2000 Papers (http://www.anarchist-action.org/marxists/redstar2000/)
A site about communist ideas

[pedro san pedro]

I have a great repect for you but all I get is armchair revolutionaries people obsessed with communism (miso to be exact). I simply want to know how this is going to help stop the expliotation you quite clearly feel passionately about and passion most people lack.

what makes you think we spend all out time in armchairs?

[The Feral Underclass]

Redstar is so nice to everyone (almost everyone)...


I have a great repect for you but all I get is armchair revolutionaries people obsessed with communism (miso to be exact). I simply want to know how this is going to help stop the expliotation you quite clearly feel passionately about and passion most people lack.

I'm sorry, but I dont quite understand the question

[The Children of the Revolution]

Traditionally, many leftists have held out the image of "selflessness" as a "virtue" of "socialist/communist man".


There's those damn "inverted" "commas" again!! :lol:

In all seriousness, I belive that there IS an argument for the selflessness of a communist man. Once people are materially secure, once they no longer relentlessly pursue the accumulation of wealth, what is there to be gained by being selfish? I think that the "second generation" of communist men would be far more willing to work for the common good rather than themselves.

I am working towards this myself! :)



what makes you think we spend all out time in armchairs?


Yeah! I don't even own an armchair!! :P

[Solace]

I have a great repect for you but all I get is armchair revolutionaries people obsessed with communism (miso to be exact). I simply want to know how this is going to help stop the expliotation you quite clearly feel passionately about and passion most people lack.

It only takes one person to affect others. Thereby, we get some type of change. There's is always new ways to affect any number of people. Thereby, we change the world.

We all had a wake-up call.

If it worked for me, then I don't see why it wouldn't work for someone else.

If you wanna call it arm-chairing communism, the go on.

All I know is that it's not useless.

No revolution will ever suceed without a change in people's mentality and conscience.

[The Feral Underclass]

Comrade James

I think he is refering to the fact I used the term "arm chair revolutionary" in a conversation I had with him on MSN.

iloveatomickitten

I still dont understand the question though. Are you annoyed I refered to you as an arm chair revolutionary?

[iloveatomickitten]

I still dont understand the question though

Errm well Ok. I put slightly too much empahsis on the virtues part of the question I was more interested in how people believe that an individual would be changed into one that would result in the propagation of communism. What this person would be is somewhat secondary though this is still something that I am unsure of - the exact opinions of others on this.

I've read only a few books on marxism/anarchism as you may be able to tell and the vast majority of what I know is from brief online descriptions and conversations with friends so The Anarchist Tension could you at least give me some slack I'm only trying to learn.


Are you annoyed I refered to you as an arm chair revolutionary?

Not really but when you first attacked me with it yes (which was kind of stupid considering that I don't even think of my self as a revolutionary).

[JasonR]

Virtues of communist man (from what I've studied bout communist theory):

-Atheism
-Communal thinking
-Lack of greed
-Not afraid to fight for his respective class
-Moralistic
-Hate for oppression
-Self sacrifice for the cause
-Hard working and not sloth like

[The Feral Underclass]

I was more interested in how people believe that an individual would be changed into one that would result in the propagation of communism.

The same way any kind of consciousness has been sort out. The black rights movement is one example. They started of as a small movement against a society which refused to accept them as second class citizens. Now the black rights movement has achieved unbelievable concessions. Things that were completely unheard of are no common place.


I've read only a few books on marxism/anarchism as you may be able to tell and the vast majority of what I know is from brief online descriptions and conversations with friends so The Anarchist Tension could you at least give me some slack I'm only trying to learn.

I apologise if I have been rude to you.


Not really but when you first attacked me with it yes (which was kind of stupid considering that I don't even think of my self as a revolutionary).

I cant remember why I said it maybe you can remind me. I do not think I would have said it if there was no justification for it. Again, I apologise for being rude to you. It is not productive to react in this way I admit. However there is a great difference between talking and doing.

The actual question I was refering to was this:


I have a great repect for you but all I get is armchair revolutionaries people obsessed with communism (miso to be exact). I simply want to know how this is going to help stop the expliotation you quite clearly feel passionately about and passion most people lack.

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 1 2004, 11:52 PM
Comrade James

I think he is refering to the fact I used the term "arm chair revolutionary" in a conversation I had with him on MSN.
What? I edit your 'argh!' so it doesn't stretch the page, and I get this strange comment that doesn't make any sense to me.

[canikickit]

The user, Solace has the same avatar as you, Comrade James (which I guess you wouldn't see), so The Anarchist tension probably thought Solace was you.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 03:23 PM
Virtues of communist man (from what I've studied bout communist theory):

-Atheism
-Communal thinking
-Lack of greed
-Not afraid to fight for his respective class
-Moralistic
-Hate for oppression
-Self sacrifice for the cause
-Hard working and not sloth like
-Atheism
-Moralistic
-Hard working and not sloth like

There goes the anarchists and 1/2 of everyone else right there.

[iloveatomickitten]

Isn't that just a little harsh.

Anyway Atheism and moralsitic are hardly the most compatable things around.

TAT - I can see how you don't understand the question it goes along with the virtues, that they would have an effect (I assume when I wrote this that that I also wanted to know what the results of these aspects would be).

[The Feral Underclass]

Comrade James

Sorry comrade. I was answering this statement:


We all had a wake-up call.

If it worked for me, then I don't see why it wouldn't work for someone else.

If you wanna call it arm-chairing communism, the go on.

MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr


-Atheism
-Moralistic
-Hard working and not sloth like

There goes the anarchists and 1/2 of everyone else right there.

:rolleyes: This is a stupid, petty attack based on nothing. What really bugs me is you know absolutly nothing about anarchism which has any signficance yet you make sweeping generalisations like this. Anarchists are principly atheist. Anarchism is rooted in materialism and any anarchist who chooses to believe in a religion has made a personal choice. I for one, and I think this goes for all the other anarchists on this board, would argue with any anarchist who held such beliefs.

It would be interesting to hear your definition of moralistic. I am pretty damn sure that your definition of morals would seriously contradict anything an anarchist, or anyone else for that matter would think.

I would also like you to tell me how many anarchists you have met? I am talking about active anarchists, not your friends at school. I can safly assume none, baring in mind your dont even know what anarchism is. To claim that all anarchists are "sloth" like is beyond rediculas. Your a fool of brobdingnagian (for your reference (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=brobdingnagian)) proportion.