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9th March 2014, 21:22
"A civil war is possible"
Ukraine: Rival oligarchs.
West counts on fascists, Russia pursues its own interests. Lack of left alternatives can lead to disaster . An interview with Vasyl Cuba Nets
Interview: Thomas Eipeldauer [for JungeWelt.de]
*The " rights sector ," trained the uprising , over here
The " rights sector ," trained the uprising , here on 25 January , on the Kiev Independence Square
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Photo: REUTERS / David Mdzinarishvili
Vasyl Cuba Nets is a board member of Association Borotba ( 'struggle' ), which was founded in 2006. The name was changed by the editors
[JW] You work for an independent Marxist organization , Borotba whose founding members have quit a few years ago from the Communist Party of Ukraine ( KPU ) . Can you tell us a little about Borotba ?
The break began in 2004 , when the Communist Party has stated that it supported Yanukovych as a presidential candidate. We have not supported , so we left the party. Our organization was created mainly by people from the youth organization , the Komsomol, and Communists from the KPU to life in 2006. We represent revolutionary , Marxist positions. The organization has about 1,000 members and is represented in zwöf regions of Ukraine. Due to the current situation , we have moved our central office from Kiev to Kharkov, the " rights industry " has stormed our office a few days ago . Although there was nothing that they would find there , but they have destroyed everything.
The fascists have lists of names of people released to be eliminated. Then are also eight members of our organization to find , especially young anti-fascists who were directly involved in disputes with the "rights industry " on the Maidan . The " sector " consists largely of football fans of Dynamo Kiev together, but the core group comes from western Ukraine .
[JW] On the Maidan one can currently see clearly that the fascists dominate. Was that from the beginning, or is this a recent development ? What has been Borotba's position towards the latest protests? Were you against them from the beginning or you also have participated in it?
No, we knew from the first moment that we are against this story on the Maidan . For the first meeting and the first demonstration at the end of November , it was clear that all this takes place in coordination with the extreme right. The irony is, however, that the authorities of Yanukovych have even helped to strengthen "the rights sector."
[JW] How did it come to this situation, with the tens of thousands to the streets?
After Yanukovych had won the elections of 2010 , he remarked that he must weaken the opposition to win the next election again. So he increased the pressure on the stronger opponent , trying to create some that are less attractive than he is. So Tymoshenko was imprisoned and changed the legislation so that Klitschko, who paid foreign tax yes , could not compete . Who was left : Oleg Tjagnibok , the leader of the fascist Swoboda . The situation was then : Here is Yanukovych , the anti-fascist, against Tjagnibok , the fascists. If he can convey this , would not have helped him .
Another problem is that Yanukovych wanted to focus the power of the oligarchy. His son , for example, was a billionaire within two years , when he used different companies . Customs offices, tax offices , the police - all paid from the bottom up , in the end came all this money on to Andrij Kluev , who headed the security apparatus. Kluev was the banker of the Yanukovich family.
Therefore, many who do not work or get paid very low wages , express their dissatisfaction. And the Maidan has all this anger absorbed. Thus, the Maidan has social causes. The same is also true for the anti- Maidan, the demonstrations of government supporters . On both sides of poverty is the mobilizing element. On the Maidan, because the people protesting the miserable situation on the anti - Maidan, because they were paid by the government to go there.
[JW] The site occupation movements in Istanbul and Athens the reasons people had for their protest , were also social in nature : corruption, poverty , unemployment. There, however, the Left was hegemonic. Why is it in Kiev the fascists managed to dominate?
An important reason is that the people were greatly disappointed by the Communist Party , because it has been scurrying to Yanukovych's Party of Regions. The total also discredits the left. Since the KP has supported the Party of Regions, their representatives had in the Cabinet, has worked with Yanukovych , a lot of people hate them. Take the attacks on Lenin statues. It is not Lenin , the people hate . The conclusion which is the draw people : Lenin means Communist Party , Communist Party means the Party of Regions , Yanukovych Party of Regions does . There is no Yanukovych statues , so they react to give off at the Lenin statues.
We have the population never divided into Russians and Ukrainians , to east or west . We know only the division into capitalists and laborers . We tried to explain to people that we need , neither the EU nor the Customs Union , which suggests Russia. Both are imperialist projects to exploit the Ukrainian people .
We have searched contact to the unions and tries to tell them that the protests are not really political, but social . We also have a tent set up on the Maidan, to agitate over there. But the so-called self-protection of the Maidan has destroyed the tent and all materials.
Since January, we perform a series of campaigns to prevent a civil war in which we are trying to convey that , both sides , the Nazis and the Yanukovych administration , to blame for the escalation. These campaigns were actively recording.
Arseny Yatsenyuk , barely made the Prime Minister, has already announced that he wants to obtain help from the International Monetary Fund , with all the restrictions that are attached to these funds . We all know its effects. Since you only need to look to Latin America or in the Ukraine in the 1990s. The price for the loans from the European Union will be the opening of the market. There are many jobs will be lost , if only because the Ukrainian agriculture can not compete with the heavily subsidized Western Europe.
[JW] Currently, the population in Ukraine is split along political, but also of ethnic cleavages . The Western imperialists want to improve their position, but also Russia tried to use his influence . Is there a danger of a civil war ?
Yes. The power struggle is not over, and remains the danger of civil war , because the part of the oligarchs , who has now lost , will want to return the favor by trying to rely on the power of Russia. When the time is right , they will strike back .
In addition, also conflicts within the opposition are emerging . Klitschko's party voted against the opposition consensus , so that the Parliament "revolution times " can also vote without official procedure. Yulia Tymoshenko has already announced that they want to apply as President. And then there's Poroshenko , with the finances the Maidan and his people did on the court. He does not want in public positions at the moment. His plan now is to put pressure to get rid of the Parliament .
[JW] Is there any good way out of this complicated situation ?
No. In Ukraine, there is a lack of left forces . That would be the only alternative to separatism. We are in the process of forming an anti-fascist front and organizing campaigns against the rights. So we are just beginning in the southeastern Ukraine.
Ukraine: Rival oligarchs.
West counts on fascists, Russia pursues its own interests. Lack of left alternatives can lead to disaster . An interview with Vasyl Cuba Nets
Interview: Thomas Eipeldauer [for JungeWelt.de]
*The " rights sector ," trained the uprising , over here
The " rights sector ," trained the uprising , here on 25 January , on the Kiev Independence Square
http://www.jungewelt.de/serveImage.php?id=49819&type=o
Photo: REUTERS / David Mdzinarishvili
Vasyl Cuba Nets is a board member of Association Borotba ( 'struggle' ), which was founded in 2006. The name was changed by the editors
[JW] You work for an independent Marxist organization , Borotba whose founding members have quit a few years ago from the Communist Party of Ukraine ( KPU ) . Can you tell us a little about Borotba ?
The break began in 2004 , when the Communist Party has stated that it supported Yanukovych as a presidential candidate. We have not supported , so we left the party. Our organization was created mainly by people from the youth organization , the Komsomol, and Communists from the KPU to life in 2006. We represent revolutionary , Marxist positions. The organization has about 1,000 members and is represented in zwöf regions of Ukraine. Due to the current situation , we have moved our central office from Kiev to Kharkov, the " rights industry " has stormed our office a few days ago . Although there was nothing that they would find there , but they have destroyed everything.
The fascists have lists of names of people released to be eliminated. Then are also eight members of our organization to find , especially young anti-fascists who were directly involved in disputes with the "rights industry " on the Maidan . The " sector " consists largely of football fans of Dynamo Kiev together, but the core group comes from western Ukraine .
[JW] On the Maidan one can currently see clearly that the fascists dominate. Was that from the beginning, or is this a recent development ? What has been Borotba's position towards the latest protests? Were you against them from the beginning or you also have participated in it?
No, we knew from the first moment that we are against this story on the Maidan . For the first meeting and the first demonstration at the end of November , it was clear that all this takes place in coordination with the extreme right. The irony is, however, that the authorities of Yanukovych have even helped to strengthen "the rights sector."
[JW] How did it come to this situation, with the tens of thousands to the streets?
After Yanukovych had won the elections of 2010 , he remarked that he must weaken the opposition to win the next election again. So he increased the pressure on the stronger opponent , trying to create some that are less attractive than he is. So Tymoshenko was imprisoned and changed the legislation so that Klitschko, who paid foreign tax yes , could not compete . Who was left : Oleg Tjagnibok , the leader of the fascist Swoboda . The situation was then : Here is Yanukovych , the anti-fascist, against Tjagnibok , the fascists. If he can convey this , would not have helped him .
Another problem is that Yanukovych wanted to focus the power of the oligarchy. His son , for example, was a billionaire within two years , when he used different companies . Customs offices, tax offices , the police - all paid from the bottom up , in the end came all this money on to Andrij Kluev , who headed the security apparatus. Kluev was the banker of the Yanukovich family.
Therefore, many who do not work or get paid very low wages , express their dissatisfaction. And the Maidan has all this anger absorbed. Thus, the Maidan has social causes. The same is also true for the anti- Maidan, the demonstrations of government supporters . On both sides of poverty is the mobilizing element. On the Maidan, because the people protesting the miserable situation on the anti - Maidan, because they were paid by the government to go there.
[JW] The site occupation movements in Istanbul and Athens the reasons people had for their protest , were also social in nature : corruption, poverty , unemployment. There, however, the Left was hegemonic. Why is it in Kiev the fascists managed to dominate?
An important reason is that the people were greatly disappointed by the Communist Party , because it has been scurrying to Yanukovych's Party of Regions. The total also discredits the left. Since the KP has supported the Party of Regions, their representatives had in the Cabinet, has worked with Yanukovych , a lot of people hate them. Take the attacks on Lenin statues. It is not Lenin , the people hate . The conclusion which is the draw people : Lenin means Communist Party , Communist Party means the Party of Regions , Yanukovych Party of Regions does . There is no Yanukovych statues , so they react to give off at the Lenin statues.
We have the population never divided into Russians and Ukrainians , to east or west . We know only the division into capitalists and laborers . We tried to explain to people that we need , neither the EU nor the Customs Union , which suggests Russia. Both are imperialist projects to exploit the Ukrainian people .
We have searched contact to the unions and tries to tell them that the protests are not really political, but social . We also have a tent set up on the Maidan, to agitate over there. But the so-called self-protection of the Maidan has destroyed the tent and all materials.
Since January, we perform a series of campaigns to prevent a civil war in which we are trying to convey that , both sides , the Nazis and the Yanukovych administration , to blame for the escalation. These campaigns were actively recording.
Arseny Yatsenyuk , barely made the Prime Minister, has already announced that he wants to obtain help from the International Monetary Fund , with all the restrictions that are attached to these funds . We all know its effects. Since you only need to look to Latin America or in the Ukraine in the 1990s. The price for the loans from the European Union will be the opening of the market. There are many jobs will be lost , if only because the Ukrainian agriculture can not compete with the heavily subsidized Western Europe.
[JW] Currently, the population in Ukraine is split along political, but also of ethnic cleavages . The Western imperialists want to improve their position, but also Russia tried to use his influence . Is there a danger of a civil war ?
Yes. The power struggle is not over, and remains the danger of civil war , because the part of the oligarchs , who has now lost , will want to return the favor by trying to rely on the power of Russia. When the time is right , they will strike back .
In addition, also conflicts within the opposition are emerging . Klitschko's party voted against the opposition consensus , so that the Parliament "revolution times " can also vote without official procedure. Yulia Tymoshenko has already announced that they want to apply as President. And then there's Poroshenko , with the finances the Maidan and his people did on the court. He does not want in public positions at the moment. His plan now is to put pressure to get rid of the Parliament .
[JW] Is there any good way out of this complicated situation ?
No. In Ukraine, there is a lack of left forces . That would be the only alternative to separatism. We are in the process of forming an anti-fascist front and organizing campaigns against the rights. So we are just beginning in the southeastern Ukraine.