Why do so many people hate Jesus?

[Jay NotApplicable]

Why do so many people hate Jesus? I can understand the hate for Christians, because there are so many asshole Christians. But what did Jesus ever do wrong? He was a friend of the homeless and prostitutes. He was a friend of the people who society rejects.

[The Jay]

First of all, don't crowd the style of The Jay. Secondly, I can't hate jesus since he isn't real. Thirdly, christians do fucked up shit.

[#FF0000]

who hates jesus though

[Lily Briscoe]

Yeah seriously, I can count on no hands the amount of people I know who "hate Jesus". I do encounter loads and loads of people who apparently feel the need to regularly publicly affirm their hard-on for Jesus, though.

[tallguy]

Why do so many people hate Jesus? I can understand the hate for Christians, because there are so many asshole Christians. But what did Jesus ever do wrong? He was a friend of the homeless and prostitutes. He was a friend of the people who society rejects.
1. most people, as far as I am aware do not hate the figure of Jesus. Be he either a fictitious or real historical figure. Unless you are prepared to back up this extreme assertion with some evidence, it is a straw man.

2. Why can you understand the hate for Christians merely because some of them are arseholes? Some Jew's will be arseholes. Do you equally "understand" a hate for all Jews or Muslims or, even, all socialists since some of them will be arseholes. There is a proportion of all humans who will be arseholes. Having a hatred for Christianity (or, indeed, any organised set of mind-limiting, dogmatic beliefs) is different from hating Christians.

On balance, I think you are some kind of piss-taker. That, or just dumb. I'm going with the former.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Judging from his description in the Bible, he seemed pretty cool. He liked to drink and do nice things for people.

[Sinister Intents]

who hates jesus though

I do, hail Lucifer our Lord. Jesus advocated the murder if rebellious children or children who disobeyed. He also killed a fig tree for not bearing fruit

[Goblin]

I do, hail Lucifer our Lord. Jesus advocated the murder if rebellious children or children who disobeyed. He also killed a fig tree for not bearing fruit


Why all the "hail Lucifer", comrade? Lucifer was the original Ayn Rand, promoting greed and selfishness. Anton LaVey was a pretty devoted "randroid". Hell, some of the shit in the Satanic Bible is taken right out of Rand's Anthem.

As for why people hate Jesus, i don't think anyone really hates the person of Christ, it's more of a hatred for Christianity. Christianity in itself isn't that bad of a religion. The New Testament has a lot of good shit in it. Hell, i would even say that Christ was an anarchist. It's just that a lot of bad shit has been done in the name of christianity.

As for Christ being real or fictional: Does it matter?

[Psycho P and the Freight Train]

LOL, the title of this thread made me laugh for some reason.

Who the hell hates Jesus? Judging from the Bible, Jesus was a fantastic person who many people could learn from.

The fact is, Christianity has NOTHING to do with the teachings of Jesus. Christianity is a tool of oppression and social control. Not to mention a massive corporate entity. As you said, Jesus taught about loving people and condemned the wealthy. Christianity, on the other hand, oppresses the hell out of people.

[Luc]

who hates jesus though
http://www.metal-archives.com/images/1/1/7/6/1176_artist.jpg?1944
:grin:if individuals hate jesus it's their associating him with their idea of Christianity

[Jay NotApplicable]

Hell, i would even say that Christ was an anarchist.

I became an anarchist because I read the bible cover to cover, and realized that Jesus was an anarchist.

I do hear people now and then saying "Fuck Jesus." I don't mind if people say "Fuck Christians." But I don't like people saying it about Jesus. Some of the people I've heard say things like that were anarchists, so I was under the impression that a lot anarchists hated Him. I guess I'm wrong, which is good. And I agree that many so-called Christians use Jesus as an excuse to live the life they live and to hate the people they hate. I'm not like that though. I love everybody. I try to emulate Jesus the best I can. I fail sometimes, but I keep trying. I love my enemies, even while arguing with them.

[Loony Le Fist]

Why do so many people hate Jesus? I can understand the hate for Christians, because there are so many asshole Christians. But what did Jesus ever do wrong? He was a friend of the homeless and prostitutes. He was a friend of the people who society rejects.

I think this might be a reaction to my thread, Was Jesus a myth?.

That thread wasn't meant to be an insult to people that are Christians. It was about bouncing my personal view of the historicity of Jesus off of everyone on Revleft. If you believe differently I was simply welcoming the discussion. I simply was trying to provoke some interesting and lively conversation. Apparently I succeeded.

To answer your question about whether I hate Jesus, my initial response is to claim that I cannot hate an ahistorical person. However, that answer doesn't really get to the bottom of what you are asking. We can all make judgements even about characters that are mythical. So from that perspective, I don't hate Jesus at all. Though I do caution he offered some bad advice occasionally.

I agree with you that there are parts of the narrative of Jesus's life that can be inspirational. I think sometimes we all need a friend with us--and Jesus truly has been interpreted in this fashion. This interpretation is a positive one, and I think it's a good one for the revolution.

There are other parts that can be trouble, like how he instructed slaves to be "good to their masters"



1 Peter 2:18
Honor all people, love the brotherhood, fear God, honor the king. 18 Servants, be submissive to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and gentle, but also to those who are unreasonable. 19 For this finds favor, if for the sake of conscience toward God a person bears up under sorrows when suffering unjustly.…


So not everything that the narrative of Jesus offered as advice I would take. For example, I think that above passage is essentially claiming we should be "good" to the bourgeois, which I completely disagree with. This isn't good for revolution. Turn the other cheek also comes to mind.

I agree with the aims of Liberation Theology, for example, and I would hold solidarity with them any day. At the end of the day, I do not hate religious people or their beliefs in general. There are some religious beliefs that I do very much dislike, however. But not all of them are based in bigoted and anti-revolutionary thought.

[Jay NotApplicable]

That's cool, Loony. I like your response above:)

[Loony Le Fist]

That's cool, Loony. I like your response above:)

Like I said, I just want some cool discussion. :grin:

Here's one of my favorite pro-revolutionary passage from Jesus. It happens to be from Mark, my favorite book of the New Testament.



Mark 10:21-25
21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me. 22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions. 23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! 24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! 25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.


If only more Christians talked about that here in the US, rather than "prosperity gospel".

[Jay NotApplicable]

Yeah, that's one of my favorite passages too.

[Jay NotApplicable]

I've actually done it. Ten years ago I followed Jesus' instructions. I sold and gave away everything I owned. It was an enlightening experience. You get to realize that you have attachment to material things that you didn't realize you were so attached to.

I've since worked and bought stuff. I'm not dirt poor anymore. But it was a good experience.

[Thirsty Crow]

http://www.metal-archives.com/images/1/1/7/6/1176_artist.jpg?1944
:grin:if individuals hate jesus it's their associating him with their idea of Christianity
...and the win goes to Luc as the first person to bring up a Glen fucking Benton photo in this thread :grin::laugh:

[MarxSchmarx]

It's not hard to do a google search on "bad Jesus quotes" or something to pull up bible verses saying "smite this smite that, and while you are at it kill kittens with fire" or something. I wouldn't take any of that seriously, any more than I would take any pro-Jesus quotes from the bible seriously. The NT and the OT can be used to justify just about anything - no, make that anything.

[Prometeo liberado]

Either because he's an undocumented worker or he owes a lotta people a lotta money.

[Sasha]

i dont hate jesus, i did have a few times "Christians" scream at me that we "Jews murdered the messiah" which did provoke some gloating "we sure did, suck it" like remarks from me but that was just trolling... :)

[bricolage]

Still though if a guy was around today and even if did and said cool things, if he also went around saying he was the son of god I'd probably think he was a bit of a dick

[keine_zukunft]

Bad bible quotes are like anti-semitic bakunin quotes..don't hate jesus but i hate alot of the people who appear to be followers of jesus. that being said i respect liberation theology alot. but still fuck 90% of christians..

[Red Shaker]

I do not think that people hate Jesus, but that many of his ideas undermine revolutionary action. Read Christopher Caudwell's "The Breath of Discontent" to get a fuller explanation of this. Here is the link: http://www.marxists.org/archive/caudwell/1949/further-studies/ch01.htm

[Crabbensmasher]

I became an anarchist because I read the bible cover to cover, and realized that Jesus was an anarchist.

I do hear people now and then saying "Fuck Jesus." I don't mind if people say "Fuck Christians." But I don't like people saying it about Jesus. Some of the people I've heard say things like that were anarchists, so I was under the impression that a lot anarchists hated Him. I guess I'm wrong, which is good. And I agree that many so-called Christians use Jesus as an excuse to live the life they live and to hate the people they hate. I'm not like that though. I love everybody. I try to emulate Jesus the best I can. I fail sometimes, but I keep trying. I love my enemies, even while arguing with them.


People who go around spurting "Fuck Jesus" sound like angsty teenagers to me.

Personally, I haven't read the new Testament cover to cover, and I grew up in an irreligious family, but I think in this context we can treat Jesus as a historical figure like any other.

Take Plato for example - do people go around nowadays claiming to be Platonists? No, the guy lived over 2000 years ago. We learned from him then, and moved on.

If Plato had said something racist, or homophobic, would we hate him for it today? Probably not. Again, it was over 2000 years ago, there wasn't much of an alternative to these customs. Do we still go around saying "I hate Plato because he was racist/nationalistic"? No, he was a product of his time period, which was very very long ago. You cannot take Plato's and apply him to our struggles in the present day. History has taken what it willed from these people and moved on. Of course this in no way applies to contemporary history, but if somebody lived 2000 years ago, I think it's safe to say they're in the past. No use lamenting about it, nor deifying them.

I think Jesus, as a figure is in very much the same position. Sure you can admire him, and he has some significance nowadays, but does he deserve to be deified? No. He was a product of his time. History took his message and rolled with it. If we didn't have Jesus, we wouldn't have a lot of things. The spirit of revolution, or resentment, depending on who you ask, was in some way bred out of a Jesus-type message.

That's it. God isn't dead, but I'll get that fucker someday. (Just kidding). Sorry, I just wanted to say that line

[Sasha]

I can wholehartedly recommend the book "the good man Jesus and the scoundrel Christ" by Phillip Pullman, its a reworking of the new testament where Jesus has a corrupt twin brother.

[boiler]

Why do so many people hate Jesus? I can understand the hate for Christians, because there are so many asshole Christians. But what did Jesus ever do wrong? He was a friend of the homeless and prostitutes. He was a friend of the people who society rejects.

I don't think many actually hate Jesus. But a lot do hate the Catholicism, Protestantism, etc religions, including myself. They are all very corrupt and don't promote the true teachings of Jesus.

[Dave B]

I do, hail Lucifer our Lord. Jesus advocated the murder if rebellious children or children who disobeyed. He also killed a fig tree for not bearing fruit



The one about killing the fig tree etc is often attributed to some kind of nonsensical petulance on JC's part for the tree refusing him his figs etc.


It is not.


It one of several examples of the allegorical inclusion into the ‘narrative’ of old testament material into the text.


Analysis of that kind of thing in general is quite complex and variable , so I will leave it.



In this case it comes from Jeremiah 8:13.


One interpretation is that it is an attack or condemnation of the institutionalised organised ‘Judaic’ state/religion etc


For context Jeremiah probably needs to be read from the beginning of 8.



They offer only superficial help
for the hurt my dear people have suffered.
They say, “Everything will be all right!”
But everything is not all right!
12 Are they ashamed because they have done such disgusting things?
No, they are not at all ashamed!
They do not even know how to blush!
So they will die just like others have died.
They will be brought to ruin when I punish them,
says the Lord.
13 I will take away their harvests, says the Lord.
There will be no grapes on their vines.
There will be no figs on their fig trees.
Even the leaves on their trees will wither.
The crops that I gave them will be taken away.’”







I don't anything about the;


"murder of rebellious children or children who disobeyed".


In the narrative he rescued a Woman accused of adultery death by stoning.



Irrespective of any issues over the authenticity of the text.

Nearly all christians are no more christians than Stalinists are Marxists.

Christians are basically Paulinists.

Paul was a capitalist who owned a tent making company supplying the imperial military industrial complex.

An ex member of the Judiac Gestapo and SS.

And a fully paid up member of the ruling class or ‘citizen of Rome’; which he used to be rescued by the imperial police when he got into trouble.


And given his happy knack of escaping from jail after less than inconvenient short periods of incarceration was probably, like Stalin, an Okhrana infiltrator into a working class movement who ended his days on a witness protection programme in Rome.

[There were apparently repeated warning from the local Georgian members of the RSDLP, before the war that Stalin, who was then still a bit of a nobody, was an infiltrator working for the Tsarist secret police.]

[PhoenixAsh]

I can wholehartedly recommend the book "the good man Jesus and the scoundrel Christ" by Phillip Pullman, its a reworking of the new testament where Jesus has a corrupt twin brother.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPdFrW076R0

[Sasha]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPdFrW076R0

nice. pullman is not the only to come up with the idea i guess.

in "the good man... " christ is jesus his biographer but is corrupted by an evil figure (the devil/the church/the magistrium) to steer jesus his humanist teachings towards establishing power...

quite relevant...

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[Prometeo liberado]

If Plato had said something racist, or homophobic, would we hate him for it today? Probably not. Again, it was over 2000 years ago, there wasn't much of an alternative to these customs. Do we still go around saying "I hate Plato because he was racist/nationalistic"? No

My friend, Jimmy Enforci, told me that his neighbor, Tommy Madigan, saw Plato kick Susan Epstein's cat back in the day.
Now tell me, who's the A-hole?:confused:

[Comrade Jacob]

I think people saying 'fuck jesus' is simply to annoy the religious and if that's your tactic then that is very childish. Jesus according to the bible was a decent guy it's some Christians that are the problem not Jesus.
I hate to quote Gandhi but I going to: 'I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. They are nothing like your Christ'.

[Art Vandelay]

I personally hate the man cause he had the ability to turn water into wine and didn't make use of that nearly enough.

[Comrade Jacob]

Still though if a guy was around today and even if did and said cool things, if he also went around saying he was the son of god I'd probably think he was a bit of a dick

According to the Muslims he never said he was. They are most likely wrong about him being a prophet but still in real-life he either didn't exist to claim he was or he never said it...considering the new testament was made 70 years after his death.

[Rosa Partizan]

Jesus himself is not annoying at all, it's more his fan club.

[ArisVelouxiotis]

Well wouldn't you hate a guy who said I'm the son of god?
That aside he was a cool dude.