The Fourth International

[Redcanadian123]

I just wanted to ask a quick question. What is the current state of the 4th international?

[DDR]

Which one?

[Criminalize Heterosexuality]

I just wanted to ask a quick question. What is the current state of the 4th international?

The short answer is "dead as a doornail".

The original Fourth International ceased to function as an international organization during the Second World War; it also lost some of its most influential sections, particularly the Vietnamese one. After the war, the international secretary Pablo tried to reform the international, but his, ah, "theoretical innovations" and bureaucratic dictates led to a split between the International Secretariat, led by Pablo, and the International Committee, led by Canon, Healy and Lambert. Several smaller groups also split from the FI at this stage. Both the IS and the IC would eventually split into several competing groups.

Today, only the United Secretariat, a fusion of IS remnants after the departure of Posadas, Moreno and Pablo himself, and the American SWP under Hansen (which has since withdrawn), and the Lambertist organization claim to be "the" Fourth International.

[Blake's Baby]

The original Fourth International ceaased to function by about 1925.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Workers_International

Though I presume that's not the one the OP was talking about.

[Brutus]

The original Fourth International ceaased to function by about 1925.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Workers_International

Though I presume that's not the one the OP was talking about.

Yeah, Gorter was a bit miffed at the united front tactic of the Comintern.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/gorter/1921/march-action.htm

[Redcanadian123]

Well, thank you very much for answering my questions. Do you think the 5th international will ever come into existence?

[cantwealljustgetalong]

A fifth international would need to spring out of a bunch of serious workers' parties or groupings of some kind. The challenge is building those groups; only then would an international be on the table.

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

The original Fourth International ceaased to function by about 1925.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Workers_International

Though I presume that's not the one the OP was talking about.

Or perhaps he was talking about the Revolutionary Internationalist Movement which was founded in 1983 but unlike all these other splinter groups never claimed the mantel of "fourth international"

[Blake's Baby]

So by 'Fourth International' the OP meant something that was never even called the Fourth International? Why?

[blake 3:17]

The USFI is pretty disfunctional these days, though it seems some sections have some juice. I was a supporter for many years but have given up on it, due to its limits and changes in my ideas.

A recent assessment from Alan Thornett, an FI leader in England: http://www.internationalviewpoint.org/spip.php?article3236