Che-Lives Survey #2

[The Children of the Revolution]

<Thanks to Comrade James this time, for moving the Poll etc. etc. Let&#39;s hope this one actually works as it was supposed to last time&#33;>

PLEASE NOTE&#33;&#33;&#33;

1. Options ARE slightly vague, THERE IS A LIMIT OF 10 THOUGH, SO I CAN&#39;T HELP THIS&#33;&#33; Put yourself in the one that most suits you&#33;
2. No bickering&#33; This is a Social experiment, (kind of) not an excuse to slag each other off&#33;
3. No-one should be ashamed to put "rich background"&#33;&#33;

EDIT: 4. Don&#39;t put "Other" unless you REALLY have to&#33;&#33;&#33;

Fingers Crossed...

[The Children of the Revolution]

<Round of applause for "Comrade James" - and a kicking for me, I got it wrong last time&#33;>

Middle Class Lefties seems to be "all the rage" today... Hmmm, what does this suggest about the Communist movement? Let&#39;s have plenty of "Cappies" voting too; I&#39;ll be interested to see the result&#33;

[Pete]

I picked other. I am left wing from a lower-middle class background. I don&#39;t accept poor or middle class, neither really fit. We had what we needed, and a bit on the side, but we were never able to do all the things that the true &#39;middle&#39; class could.

[Y2A]

Thanks, this is much better.

Voted: Moderate of poor background.

[suffianr]

I voted "Left Wing" - Middle Class Background.

[Y2A]

No rightwingers so far.

[BuyOurEverything]

Left wing, lower middle class background.

[The Feral Underclass]

left wing, desperatly improvrished....

[mia wallace]

left wing - middle class background

[Mano Dayak]

left-wing middle class

[cubist]

left wing brought up left, working class upper income. sorry i don&#39;t like the word CLASS

[RedAnarchist]

"Left Wing" - Poor Background

Poor should be replaced by "working class"

[Deniz Gezmis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 01:16 PM
"Left Wing" - Poor Background

Poor should be replaced by "working class"
Being working class doesn&#39;t automatically mean you are poor.

[Al Creed]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 10:24 PM
I picked other. I am left wing from a lower-middle class background. I don&#39;t accept poor or middle class, neither really fit. We had what we needed, and a bit on the side, but we were never able to do all the things that the true &#39;middle&#39; class could.
Same here.

[RedAnarchist]

i know, thats wht i said it should be working class not poor.

I wouldnt consider myself middle-class but i wouldnt consider myself poor either.

[redstar2000]

"Rich, Middle-Class, and Poor" are poorly chosen alternatives.

A number of decades ago, two polls were taken at the same time. In one, people were asked to choose between "rich, middle-class, and poor"...and the overwhelming majority of Americans rated themselves "middle-class".

In the other poll, people were given four choices: "rich, middle class, working class, or poor". This time, the "working class" option was the favorite choice by a wide margin.

It&#39;s not difficult to understand why bourgeois social "scientists" prefer to avoid that awkward phrase "working class".

http://anarchist-action.org/forums/images/smiles/redstar.gif

The RedStar2000 Papers (http://www.anarchist-action.org/marxists/redstar2000/)
A site about communist ideas

[RedCeltic]

The use of the words "Middle Class" and "Poor" are simply a burgeois trick to make you think you are more affluent than you truly are.

The "Middle Class" is also known as the "Burgesses" class, and consists of people who own their own busness, doctors and lawyers... and some managers/executives.

the "Lower class" or "Poor" as you put it... is actually the "Working Class" or the proletariat... which is the class most people reside in, dispite living in a suburb and considering themseves "well off". You work for a living, you are part of the working class.

I come from a long line of left wing proletariats..... my great grandfather was a boiler-maker in Glasgow Scotland, and a socialist... my grandfather was a custodian in a high school in New York, and a socialist, my father was a telephone worker in New York, and (somewhat of a) socialist, and I&#39;m a plumber in New York, and a socialist.

[John Galt]

Define the various classes

[RedCeltic]

upper class (which includes super rich to moderatly wealthy) middle class (people who&#39;s money makes them money) and lower class ( working class people who make a living by labor (physical/mental) and includes those who are under/unemployed, and poor.

[John Galt]

I thought the rich are those whose money makes them money?

[Goldfinger]

I&#39;d like to ask all of you who come from middle or upper class if you&#39;d consider yourself a "communist".

[Pete]

rich would be those who do not have to work as they inheret/&#39;earn&#39; money without even manipulating money.

[xcr]

Doctors and Lawyers most assuradly do work for their money, and so by that definition should be called working class. For that matter, (small) busnisses owners are necessary, and often hard working, and relitivly poor.
My backround is middle class (of the doctor/lawyer type (althogh not actualy made up of doctors and lawyers..), and is well educated, and in general mild to mid left.
Well I am left-wing, I would not call myself a communist.
As for definitions of poor/middle/rich as opposed to poor (and unemployed) working class (working for another person, weather poor or not), middle (like working, but either well educated/ high up in an orginazation, or self-employed/ employer of others, rich (of the idel rich type)- I would dispute the usfulness of either of these on their own- for practial purposses the examination being limited to the amount of money one has makes sence. The social examination, where the working class has little or no controal over their employment, the middle more, ect. is also of use. To combine the two- working class and poor must be kept seprate, with some cross over with the middle. The upper/ rich class would have to be seperated into the idel rich, the working rich who were born rich and the self-made rich.

[Solace]

3. No-one should be ashamed to put "rich background"&#33;&#33;

If I am not mistaken, Engels himself was considered &#39;rich&#39; in his time.

Anyways. I don&#39;t know where to vote. I would choose Middle Class, but it&#39;s more Working Class.

[Inti]

I chose LW Poor background.. Grew up with my mother and two sisters, inherited my clothes from older cousins.. I guess that is not too rich.. But I consider myself rich in experiences and the friendships I have.. Now Im working myself and would put myself in middle class kind of.. I have enough to support me and my wife, travel once a year on vacation.. We dont have much but we have enough to save for a trip a year..

[toastedmonkey]

whoops

i voted right and poor, instead of left and poor.

[Faceless]

A bit vague but my parents each work full time for £9,000 anually each, combined income of £18,000 and a family of five. Not desperately poor but if you knew what their employment is then they&#39;re certainly working class. Figure it out for yourself. I don&#39;t really know what "poor" is in England. I wouldn&#39;t go so far as too compare myself with many in other "develpoing" countries but they qualify for certain benefits. So hard to tell.

[mentalbunny]

I voted rich and left, cos I&#39;m part of 7% of my year group who have a private education, so I reckon that counts as rich, although I&#39;m nothing compared to lots of people here.

[Hegemonicretribution]

I voted moderate and poor: I selected moderate because I normally hold more than one oppinion at any given time, I would not call myself either hardline left or liberal, however I am heavily influenced by both.

Poor is not bad, I have private health and dental care, but it is all paid for by my government. However I am still dependant on my family, and will be until next year and uni; then it will be the government. I would say annuall income of around £5000.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by RavenFan84+Jan 26 2004, 01:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (RavenFan84 @ Jan 26 2004, 01:25 PM)
[email protected] 25 2004, 10:24 PM
I picked other. I am left wing from a lower-middle class background. I don&#39;t accept poor or middle class, neither really fit. We had what we needed, and a bit on the side, but we were never able to do all the things that the true &#39;middle&#39; class could.
Same here. [/b]
That&#39;s me too. I picked middle class. Good poll but it should be more defined.

[Ortega]

"Left Wing" - Rich Background

...:unsure:

[redstarshining]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 10:43 PM
I voted rich and left, cos I&#39;m part of 7% of my year group who have a private education, so I reckon that counts as rich, although I&#39;m nothing compared to lots of people here.
Same here, went to a quite expensive private school ( not anymore though ). My parents are probably politically closest to the social democrats/ green. My father is a doctor, so we were not exactly poor, but not that rich that my parents could let their money work for them. My standard of living was average. I would still call that a middle class background. Petty-burgeois to be precise, since my father had a few employees.

Well... that was quite a while ago, I&#39;m 24 years old now, and live off 350 Euros/month in my own appartment. Can&#39;t complain though, still got enough to eat and a decent shared internet connection for 9 Euros/month. If it would only stay that way, I&#39;d be quite happy. If I had a decent job I&#39;d be even happier.

[amarulj4714]

Also Left-Wing Rich.

Only in the semi-luxury can we see with our time how so many others are being oppressed. I suppose. :blink:

[Lardlad95]

LEftwing-Lower Middle class

I say this because for the first half of my life I was pretty poor. If you don&#39;t believe me I&#39;ll take you to the trailer i used to live in when I lived in SC and you&#39;ll see how delapedated that thing is..unless it&#39;s already fallen down

[left for dead]

Lower-middle class and left.

The rent always be late.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Left-wing
bourgeois

I&#39;d like to point out that Redstar makes a good point.
My family, however, is unquestionably bourgeois.
We make money from buying and renting property in Sao Paulo, Brazil.
The ultimate bourgeois method of making money.
My family simply manipulates the value of property for the purpose of making more money and subjugating more truly hard-working indivuduals.
Maybe that&#39;s why I&#39;m such a radical communist.

[Y2A]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 02:44 AM
Left-wing
bourgeois

I&#39;d like to point out that Redstar makes a good point.
My family, however, is unquestionably bourgeois.
We make money from buying and renting property in Sao Paulo, Brazil.
The ultimate bourgeois method of making money.
My family simply manipulates the value of property for the purpose of making more money and subjugating more truly hard-working indivuduals.
Maybe that&#39;s why I&#39;m such a radical communist.
Rebelling against parents.............. as expected.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Originally posted by Y2A+Jan 27 2004, 10:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Y2A @ Jan 27 2004, 10:47 PM)
[email protected] 28 2004, 02:44 AM
Left-wing
bourgeois

I&#39;d like to point out that Redstar makes a good point.
My family, however, is unquestionably bourgeois.
We make money from buying and renting property in Sao Paulo, Brazil.
The ultimate bourgeois method of making money.
My family simply manipulates the value of property for the purpose of making more money and subjugating more truly hard-working indivuduals.
Maybe that&#39;s why I&#39;m such a radical communist.
Rebelling against parents.............. as expected. [/b]
Replacing arguement with personal attacks....as expected.

[Y2A]

Originally posted by MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr+Jan 28 2004, 03:22 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr @ Jan 28 2004, 03:22 AM)
Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 10:47 PM

[email protected] 28 2004, 02:44 AM
Left-wing
bourgeois

I&#39;d like to point out that Redstar makes a good point.
My family, however, is unquestionably bourgeois.
We make money from buying and renting property in Sao Paulo, Brazil.
The ultimate bourgeois method of making money.
My family simply manipulates the value of property for the purpose of making more money and subjugating more truly hard-working indivuduals.
Maybe that&#39;s why I&#39;m such a radical communist.
Rebelling against parents.............. as expected.
Replacing arguement with personal attacks....as expected. [/b]
;)

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Read the notice at the top of this forum, mate, more replies with only a smiley and you&#39;ll be out of here.

My mother is also actualy a socialist.
She simply inherited the property from my grandmother who still administers it all. My mother is a psychologist, but we make no money from it.

[STI]

Left- Middle class.

I really don&#39;t like the term &#39;middle class&#39;, though. There are two classes, as far as I&#39;m concered: the rulers and the ruled. My dad is a management- type at a government computer- type place (it&#39;s really hard to pinpoint exactly what the hell he does). My mom does a management- worker type dealie at an international freight forwarding company (customs clearence and whatnot). For lack of a better term, though, I&#39;m considering myself &#39;working class&#39;

Why are there so many &#39;middle- class&#39; leftists here, though? Well, it&#39;s reasonable to assume that there would be more &#39;poor&#39; leftists. We have to remember, though, that not all &#39;poor&#39; people can afford a computer and internet connection. I don&#39;t think this poll is really applicable to the outside world, but an awesome idea nonetheless.

EDIT: ... It&#39;s odd, though, that we havn&#39;t had any &#39;rich&#39; right- wingers, though.

[bubbrubb]

ther aren&#39;t any right wing rich people on here because they would probably be killed or something

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

why? :huh:
That doesn&#39;t make sense, comrade, please explain.

[Zanzibar]

"Left Wing" - Poor Background

I make less then 10k a year. I can hardly afford groceries each month let alone rent. My father was a construction worker(he passed on when I was 14), and my mother a nurse(she passed on when I was 16). Both Social Democrates. I am a marxist myself.

I own nothing of my own and resort to criminality to pay for tuition.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 04:53 PM
rich would be those who do not have to work as they inheret/&#39;earn&#39; money without even manipulating money.
people like andrew carnegie, Ceo&#39;s, major league players all are working class right? cause they are workers. And worked there way up.

Most of the rich in the USA do not inherit there money(i.e. The founder of Walmart, Bill gates, Michael dell,mark cuban, Sammy Sosa, Vladimir guerrero....)
the list is endless, anyway all these are workers to, they where not always rich, and worked hard for there money.