What would happen with all the weapons?

[ArisVelouxiotis]

Suppose there is a revolution and it succeeds to abolish capitalism."Small"arms like tanks handguns etc would still be needed to supress counterrevolutions.What about the WMD?

[Blake's Baby]

No WMDs. How could indiscriminate weapons designed to obliterate whole cities possibly be of any use after a successful revolution?

I'm not even sure of the utility of tanks to be honest. But I certainly think the public armouries should be well stocked with AK47s or the like.

[Sinister Intents]

We could keep the weaponry in museums, let people have rifles and handguns for reasons of hunting, gun type sports like trap, et cetera. We could also deconstruct them and use the materials elsewhere. Guns also can make cool decorations in homes.

Btw I'm on a cellphone, my post would be better

[ArisVelouxiotis]

No WMDs. How could indiscriminate weapons designed to obliterate whole cities possibly be of any use after a successful revolution?

I'm not even sure of the utility of tanks to be honest. But I certainly think the public armouries should be well stocked with AK47s or the like.

Well If we could use tanks why use infantry?I mean it would be a waste of weapons and lives of course.
I dunno that's why I asked.

[Hermes]

Well If we could use tanks why use infantry?I mean it would be a waste of weapons and lives of course.
I dunno that's why I asked.

Are you asking why, if we have tanks, we would also use infantry?

I'm not sure if this is what you're asking, but tanks tend to do fairly poorly unless they have infantry supporting them.

I'm not entirely sure why we'd need tanks if we'd already abolished capitalism, but iunno

[Sinister Intents]

Well If we could use tanks why use infantry?I mean it would be a waste of weapons and lives of course.
I dunno that's why I asked.

After a revolution tanks could be converted to like farm equipment, or transportation in areas that get extreme snow fall and other inclement weather where they'd benefit people. Infantry won't be needed anymore, unless you know, the commune wants to train people in combat for reasons that there are reactionaries still about and they're armed. So training people to defend the commune, collective, et cetera could be a good idea if the fascists persist. In general get I'd say get rid of most military shit, or convert it to something useful and beneficial to humanity and the planet. WMDs obviously should be destroyed, or deactived and stored in museums for educational purposes.

[ArisVelouxiotis]

Are you asking why, if we have tanks, we would also use infantry?

I'm not sure if this is what you're asking, but tanks tend to do fairly poorly unless they have infantry supporting them.

I'm not entirely sure why we'd need tanks if we'd already abolished capitalism, but iunno

I mean wouldn't it be better if we had tanks instead of ak47s only?I already said why because a counterrevolution might occur.

[Sinister Intents]

I mean wouldn't it be better if we had tanks instead of ak47s only?I already said why because a counterrevolution might occur.

If a counterrevolution were to occur I think you'd want both foot soldiers and tanks, APCs, et cetera. You'd want a multifaceted way of attacking the reactionaries.

[ArisVelouxiotis]

If a counterrevolution were to occur I think you'd want both foot soldiers and tanks, APCs, et cetera. You'd want a multifaceted way of attacking the reactionaries.

Yes that's why we would need tanks.I didn't say we wouldn't need anything but tanks.But If it came down to it tanks would be better instead handguns for example.

[Sinister Intents]

Yes that's why we would need tanks.I didn't say we wouldn't need anything but tanks.But If it came down to it tanks would be better instead handguns for example.

How well armed is the resistance gonna be? If they have anti tank weaponry or they're creating bombs specifically designed to destroyed our armored weaponry/machines then we're gonna need to use superior strategies and tactics to them. We'll need a lot of weaponry for a time, and to be training people to attack the resistance.
Although if we have a successful revolution the problems we have because of capitalism should fade away with capitalism.

[aristos]

If we are talking about complete global success of installing communism, that means there are no longer any outside enemies, and given a few generations there would be no more internal enemies, because why would one want to upturn a system that gives you everything in exchange for a system where you have to fight to get anything.

There might be some psychos with delusions of grandeur that would dream of submitting everyone to their personal will, but where would they get the foot-soldiers?
So in conclusion I don't think any standard arms (especially tanks, or anti-tank weaponry, fighters, bombers, warships, etc.) would be produced.

However, it would be prudent to place ICBMs or, when available, anti-matter weapons into space to destroy unexpected comets and meteorites, if they are on a collision course with the planet.

[ArisVelouxiotis]

How well armed is the resistance gonna be? If they have anti tank weaponry or they're creating bombs specifically designed to destroyed our armored weaponry/machines then we're gonna need to use superior strategies and tactics to them. We'll need a lot of weaponry for a time, and to be training people to attack the resistance.
Although if we have a successful revolution the problems we have because of capitalism should fade away with capitalism.

Yeah it depends.I mentioned tanks for example and blake said that we wouldn't need them and I argued against it.I didn't forcee all possible outcomes.:P

[Althusser]

We'll use whatever weapons necessary to take state power, and we'll use whatever weapons necessary to protect the dictatorship of the proletariat from counter-revolution and support revolution elsewhere. We'll never see communism in our lifetimes, but I imagine weapons won't be an issue then. Might be a fun thing to have though.

[Sinister Intents]

Yeah it depends.I mentioned tanks for example and blake said that we wouldn't need them and I argued against it.I didn't forcee all possible outcomes.:P

And we can't for see or predict all possible outcomes :/, but as Aristos said when we get rid of capitalism we get rid of all external threats, and the internal ones will fade away with time. That and what that guy with the funky box name has said.

[Bala Perdida]

I'be been thinking of a sort of crime stopping force that could opperate in an anarchist society. Basically armed volunteers that are there to detain anyone dangerous, but without the authority a cop has of writing tickets and charging offenses. They would basically just be there to tackle a violent person, or shoot if the person shoots. I haven't worked it out completely, but the people themselves should be allowed guns until they can voluntarily give them up. Small arms like rifles and handguns of course.

[Sinister Intents]

I'be been thinking of a sort of crime stopping force that could opperate in an anarchist society. Basically armed volunteers that are there to detain anyone dangerous, but without the authority a cop has of writing tickets and charging offenses. They would basically just be there to tackle a violent person, or shoot if the person shoots. I haven't worked it out completely, but the people themselves should be allowed guns until they can voluntarily give them up. Small arms like rifles and handguns of course.

I think Kropotkin said something about an anarchist police type force, it'd be more like a neighborhood watch. With the elimination of capitalism crime and other problems will practically disappear, but we will still have to deal with certain fading problems perhaps. Without capitalism I don't think we'll have to worry about violent, manipulative, or destructive persons anymore because the situations that make them that way will disappear, but there will still be people with mental health issues who'll need assistance, be rehabilitated, et cetera.

[Loony Le Fist]

Suppose there is a revolution and it succeeds to abolish capitalism."Small"arms like tanks handguns etc would still be needed to supress counterrevolutions.What about the WMD?

That is a tough question. Getting rid of and dismantling WMD would be a top priority. But in addition there would need to be serious thought into making things difficult for nutcase reactionary groups that would inevitably spring up and decide to build those kinds of weapons.

[Boring disgression into a crude overview of the construction of nuclear devices follows]


Even in the case of nuclear devices, the knowledge is pretty widely disseminated, and nuclear devices aren't as complicated to build as some might imagine. At the current time it's really the access to the materials that is the bottleneck. To build one, you don't even need to know a whole lot beyond knowing the speed at which to accelerate fissile materials at one another and the total mass of fuel to reach a supercritical state. Other types of WMD like chemical or biological threats are more easily accessible, but also more dangerous for the potential weapon maker to create.


I notice many on here have noted that we should keep small arms, perhaps even tanks and such. One of the best ways to keep WMD out of the hands of reactionaries is to eliminate the existing weapons. Though there is always the problem of ensuring that possible reactionary groups won't spring up and build that sort of thing. And there are in fact caches of chemical weapons dumped into the ocean that the US military has forgotten the location of. So there is the potential that these groups would find said weapons. I suppose a program to find these caches before reactionary groups do would have to be initiated.

Education of real perils of imperialism and war would play a role in ensuring that future youth would have a more positive forward view. In order to have progress we must have change. We must drive young people towards an outlook of problem solving and being contributing members of a society, rather than thinking like mere commodities and "rational" profit maximizers.

Nonetheless weapons will be required to be able to combat threats, and ensure that no one would ever build such horrible devices.

In the end the question is quite theoretical. Noam Chomsky claims that no one is smart enough to plan an entire society in advance. I tend to agree that such a society has to develop organically from the bottom up.

[Tim Cornelis]

Nuclear missiles should be diminished in numbers but not entirely destroyed in case of any threat from outer space. Or, in fact, be used to signal extraterrestrial life, to call attention to ourselves.

[Bala Perdida]

I think Kropotkin said something about an anarchist police type force, it'd be more like a neighborhood watch. With the elimination of capitalism crime and other problems will practically disappear, but we will still have to deal with certain fading problems perhaps. Without capitalism I don't think we'll have to worry about violent, manipulative, or destructive persons anymore because the situations that make them that way will disappear, but there will still be people with mental health issues who'll need assistance, be rehabilitated, et cetera.
Where did Kropotkin say that? Was it in The Conquest of Bread, because I didn't pick up on all the ideas. It sounds interesting but all I remember is casting off "bad people " from the society or something. Anyways I gotta study that more.

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[Sinister Intents]

Where did Kropotkin say that? Was it in The Conquest of Bread, because I didn't pick up on all the ideas. It sounds interesting but all I remember is casting off "bad people " from the society or something. Anyways I gotta study that more.

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I don't think that was Kropotkin now, where did I read about that.... if I find it I'll let you know, and indeed read plenty of Kropotkin

[Red and Black]

Speculation about "what will post revolution society look like" is kind of pointless, since nobody here has experienced an organic, free society, where the gates of desire have been fully opened. It would depend on the culture and the scale of the revolution. In the case of international revolution, what would be the use of guns and weapons aside from sport? Especially in a culture based around the ideas of mutual aid and solidarity?