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ckaihatsu
24th February 2014, 23:32
A future in progress in Ukraine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNwBxWC_QlY


"The government doesn't exist," Medvedev on Ukraine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKs2s3aHQJI


Artists set fire to tires in St. Petersburg for Ukraine protesters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NECwCrf-xTI


Ukrainian officials issue arrest warrant for Yanukovich

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCKFBlhSFy8


Ukrainians gather in D.C. to honor those killed back home

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lELxEQv4QA


Breakingviews: Ukraine - the bailout Europe can't shirk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9e3NvwnnzI


Protesters Cautious About Ukraine's Future

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCxymi2eXYc


CrossTalk: How Far Right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9oKTpE74CA


Gorbachev: Bulldoze EU & US aides from Ukraine and let the people decide

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5rgxzCxYCs


Ukraine's future uncertain as parliament elects acting president

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xruAumqBBM8


Ukrainian parliament announces start of election campaign

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKn4_Sdqlxc


Burning tires in St Petersburg: Artists support Ukraine protesters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FQ6tVCXR_8


Police hunt for Yanukovych, charged with mass murder

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ4vFrQinVU


Politicians assemble to discuss fate of Ukraine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrN1Cv0zTHk


European integration "a priority" says Ukraine acting president

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuUBL1GZhTE


Ukraine: More of Yanukovich's lavish homes revealed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VbdPhmzIuU


Ukraine: Yanukovich's winter palace housed wild animals including bears, pheasants and wild boars

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNycMJSplww


Russia recalls ambassador as Ukraine's interim leader vows close EU ties

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QSYh3CS-ss


Wary Ukrainian protesters remain at barricades after day of political upheaval

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU8xjTQiUq4


US supports Ukraine turmoil though media blame Putin for chaos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxBlFFqfCOc


Ukraine's parliament sacks president, sets early elections

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsDPHROfxYM


Ukraine's President Viktor Yanukovych Flees Capital

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnZ1pr0naF8


European integration "a priority" says Ukraine acting president

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuUBL1GZhTE


Violence erupts in Ukraine as pro-Russian protesters clash with Kyiv supporters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hlP1sHBtiQ


Ukraine wonders over whereabouts of Yanukovych

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqudT88QZEc


Tymoshenko ally becomes acting Ukrainian president

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-OhXjCaPmo


Yanukovych supporters reject parliament decision

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmKXd4w9ckw


Ukraine Crisis: Klitschko 'President Yanukovych has disappeared' - BBC News

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRq-YVKW36A


CCTV: Footage purports to show Yanukovich escaping palace in helicopter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW-8sYdNaZU

ckaihatsu
26th February 2014, 21:14
Kiev mourns as parliament delays formation of new government

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZjv5r8HmFg


'La-La Land': 'EU doesn't have political capital to spend on Ukraine'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX8K9Yb6ZwA


'Witch hunt' on for ousted Ukrainian president

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iObCuF3ejY


Ukrainians say real democratic reform needed, not just new leader

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVVHKGKEkkg


Tension in Crimea as Ukraine acting president Turchynov warns of separatist danger

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW-1KifAH20


Ukraine MPs call on ICC to try Yanukovych for crimes against humanity

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5GrIuMriy0


Ukraine's economy keeps GDP at half EU's poorest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBOdMcSxo2A


'We're always being cheated' - voices of Maidan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1ERsSt9jCs


MEPs call for EU to stand by Ukraine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELVjdlEfnFc


EU chief greets Yulia Tymoshenko and pledges support to Ukraine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMwGDZCgEzk


Ukraine appeals for loans to ward of financial collapse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdWK7qR_Xq0


Russia extends offer of citizenship to Crimea

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwAeqHyvyIU


Russia questions legitimacy of Ukraine's interim leaders

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwluGFH34Ds


Russia warning on Ukraine from Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr9RF81rCko

ckaihatsu
26th February 2014, 23:58
Putin puts Russian troops on alert amid Ukraine separatist fears

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6SfNnfFQZ0


Rival protest groups rally outside Crimean parliament

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbqnj0DV4eg


Concerns over Crimea's future rise in Ukraine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehllqiAskmw


Protests, Clashes and Fistfights in Ukraine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxNixVb74cg


Ukraine: No New Government Before Thursday

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR-MiXG1H3U


CrossTalk: Revolutionary Kiev

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XApLLE6_1B0


Video: Stones, bottles & shoes thrown as pro- & anti-Russian protesters clash in Ukraine's Crimea

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuZohqW3aBE


Going To Extremes: Role of far-right in Ukraine upheaval stokes neo-Nazism rise fears

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LCsz_ewYis


Crimean Tatar protesters clash with pro-Russian demonstrators in Simferopol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPSWnf460u0


Ukraine: new government presented to the people in Kyiv's Independence Square

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW031-_eJSM


Ukraine Berkut riot police to be disbanded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqPZ2d-wzwo


Yanukovych Leaks sheds light on Ukraine's high-living ex-leader

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkraiyXdbb0


Door to NATO remains open for Ukraine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2u6E1S_deM


Ukraine's Crimea: a hotbed of Russia-bound separatism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riSmEogURnY


Rising tensions over Crime spark fears of separatism in Ukraine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKFdIWuolyc


Investigative team put papers from Yanukovych estate online

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQVu02LpeaI


Tymoshenko "backed by Ukrainians"- BBC News

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl7pgXxFjhs


25 bln dollars needed to fund Ukrainian gov't through 2015

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bu14N0fX4SM

ckaihatsu
27th February 2014, 23:17
Ukraine's New Govt. Faces Deepening Crises

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPGTmc-NZjk


Hagel Urges Russia to Act Cautiously on Ukraine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvR1iupghzI


Raw: Pro-Russia Gunmen Seize Offices in Ukraine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5IhmbToW6s


Raw: Russia Tests Combat Readiness

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by1JpsCnva8


'No ultranationalist or anti-Semitic actions occurring in Ukraine' - ex-US ambassador

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toUZgISer-c


"We're not concerned about nationalist extremists in Ukraine" - ex-US Ambassador

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EKmJTGS3tg


'Like an animal': Video goes viral of Ukraine nationalist activist attacking prosecutor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlKEF5uoU_I


Media warmongering hype links Russia regular drill to Ukraine, Crimea tension

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4d9t42H-Y0


Ukraine's Yanukovich says he's still president, asks Russia to ensure his safety

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDzaLtYHPzo


Pro- and anti-Russian demonstrators clash in Ukraine's Crimea

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-Dcx0Xll8M


Will Russia intervene in Ukraine?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px2reQ8vtqo


Crimeans push back against Ukrainian protest movement

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1PxN8rJCdg


New government leaves some Ukrainians pressing for more change

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVa2QFJUTlY


Kyiv locals speak about Crimea

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJTEsPy6DuQ


New Ukrainian government gets to work

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmIGnPn7pWc


NATO chief warns Russia on Crimea action

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eWlA7XPBrw


Ukraine's new premier suggests sacrifices are unavoidable

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2S5FCNNlg94


Crimean standoff adds fresh danger to Ukraine crisis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k6u8IPpAEc


Ukraine forms new pro-EU coalition government

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KT-YU7JPyU


Video: Mystery military vehicles spotted in Crimea, Ukraine puzzle locals

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frltHoyzPIU


Russian armed forces alert prompts Ukrainian mobilisation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv3r0UERnmo


Unidentified armed group takes control of government buildings in Ukraine's Crimea region

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8fSXOO3tCE


Frosty reception for Ukraine's new Prime Minister-designate in Maidan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wegtWNIFX1Y


Crimean tensions spill over into clashes between Crimean Tatars and pro-Russian supporters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoeK-SSmJMY


Ukraine: show of solidarity as nationalist stronghold Lviv speaks Russian for a day

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRqQJoPBpJA


Ukraine: Crimea Explained in 60 seconds - BBC News

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTIw_hw2Z_g


Ukraine crisis: Russian warplanes put on alert

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uXsXmYq7JA

ckaihatsu
28th February 2014, 00:24
UKRAINE: "Their Values and Ours" and "'Revolution' or Dismantlement of the Country?" -- two articles from Issue No. 290 (Feb. 26, 2014) of Informations Ouvrières , the weekly newspaper of the Independent Workers Party (POI) of France

The Organizer <[email protected]>


IN THIS MESSAGE

Two articles from Issue No. 290 (Feb. 26, 2014) of Informations Ouvrières, the weekly newspaper of the Independent Workers Party (POI) of France

1) Their Values and Ours -- Editorial

2) "Revolution" or Dismantlement of the Country? -- by Dominique Ferré

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1) Editorial Issue No. 290 of Informations Ouvrières, the weekly newspaper of the Independent Workers Party (POI) of France

Their Values and Ours

What "began in Kiev heralds 'the hour of Europe'", trumpeted London's Financial Times. "The Ukrainian crises give the European Union the opportunity to restore meaning to its project and pride to its citizens", argues Les Echos. However, finance capital's daily newspaper wonders what will happen on 25 May, the date of the early elections in Ukraine and the elections to the European Parliament in the countries of the European Union: "Can it be that (Š) the Ukrainians will vote in favour of Europe's values at the very moment when the Union's citizens will express their defiance in relation to the European project, either through their votes or their abstention?"

So the events in Ukraine are supposed to restore meaning to the "values" of the European Union? What values? On 23 February, the Rada (the Ukrainian parliament) dismissed Yanukovich, whom it had itself appointed and supported to the hilt. Then it passed emergency laws: Law 4176 repealed the article of the Penal Code that punished anyone who denied the crimes of Hitlerism; a second law calls into question the recognition as a national language (besides Ukrainian) of all the languages spoken in a province of Ukraine by a minority (which made Russian the second national language, but also Moldavian and Hungarian, recognised languages in various regions). At the same time, IMF Managing Director Christine Lagarde is ordering Ukraine to go ahead with major "structural reforms" as soon as possible, if it wants to be "bailed out".

What "values" are they talking about? The breaking-up of Ukraine, the wish to blow the nation apart and make it relive the darkest hours of its history, the attempt to establish in the very heart of Europe a focal point of disintegration and supposedly ethnic conflicts, while the IMF and capitalists all over the world organise the pillaging of the country: these "values"? (1)

At the same time, in Bosnia, a workers' uprising has brought together workers of Serbian, Croat and Bosnian origin, all completely united against the government's policy of privatisation and pillage.

On one side, disintegration, confrontation, the march to war. On the other side, unity between workers and peoples against the plans of the IMF and the European Union.

The "values" of the leaders of the European Union, in favour of which, according to Les Echos, we should "indeed vote on 25 May", are those of disintegration, of decline, of barbarism. They are producing a growing sense of rejection from one end of the continent to the other.

The true values that produce unity between the workers and peoples of Europe will be expressed on 1 and 2 March in Paris, at a European Workers' Conference convened precisely in order to contrast the necessary free union of the free nations and peoples of the whole of Europe with the anti-democratic and anti-grass roots institutions of the European Union, institutions of war and pillage. Nations and peoples free from the restraints which the IMF, the World Bank, the European Union, its Parliament and its treaties want to impose on them.

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(1) Don't talk to us about ethics, morals or democracy! Almost right up to the moment of his departure, Yanukovich had been treated as a valuable player by the big capitalist powers. Today those same powers are pretending to discover that he is what he has always been: a mafia figure, currently being replaced by other mafia figures said to be highly regarded . . . because they are declaring allegiance to the flags of Europe and the United States.

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"Revolution" or Dismantlement of the Country?

By Dominique Ferré

The media are saying over and over again that a "revolution" in Kiev has ousted President Yanukovych and his "corrupt regime." Is this factually correct?

A revolution is a movement from the grassroots that radically modifies the established social order. Is it possible to overlook the fact that 12 days before the February 18 armed demonstration, led by the Svoboda far-right party, which four days later resulted in the flight of President Yanukovych, Victoria Nuland, the U.S. Deputy Secretary of State (foreign affairs ministry), and the U.S. ambassador in Kiev were calmly discussing over the phone (1) the composition of the "new" government of the Ukraine?

Is it possible to overlook the fact that on December 13, the same Nuland attended a conference in Washington during which the U.S. government reported that US$5 billion had been invested in funding the "democratic opposition" in the Ukraine?

Can one overlook the fact that Nuland, who served as a U.S. diplomat during Democratic as well as Republican administrations, met with the leaders of Svoboda on February 13, a few days before they attacked the Parliament building? As for the new Parliament (the Rada), which was to appoint a "national consensus government" on Tuesday, February 25, can the fact be overlooked that -- with one or two exceptions -- it comprises the very same members as the assembly which only a week ago gave full confidence to Yanukovych, who now is a wanted "criminal"?

And we are expected to think that this is, indeed, a revolution?

But can demonstrations by hundreds of thousands of people be reduced to this interference of the United States and the European Union?

It is certain that honest citizens have been drawn into the demonstrations that have taken place in Kiev for the past three months. This includes workers who have had enough of the corrupt Mafioso politicians who for more than 20 years since the collapse of the Soviet Union have plundered and privatized in the name of the IMF. But the political forces that have been controlling this movement since it began in mid-November 2013 with the aim of pressuring the Yanukovych regime into signing a "partnership agreement with the European Union" and the program of "painful structural reforms" that goes along with it, could care less about the people of Ukraine. This is true of the recently released "opponent" Yulia Timochenko, the former prime minister (in 2005 and 2007), who is just as corrupt as Yanukovych; or the party of boxer Klitshko (founded and financed by the Conrad Adenauer Foundation of the CDU, the party of Angela Merkel); or the Nazi Svoboda party, whose program promotes joining the European Union and NATO.

As our correspondents told us: when the trade unions called workers to demonstrate with "EuroMaidan," the outcome was quick: Acting on the orders of the dais, fascist gangs of thugs assaulted the trade union activists. Today, our correspondents say: "A tide of white terrorism" is sweeping across Ukraine: political party and union offices are being laid waste and torched, statues of Lenin are being pulled down. . . .

French President François Hollande, the European Union and the United States ceaselessly repeat that "the territorial integrity of the Ukraine" must be guaranteed. Is the country threatened with dismantlement?

Unfortunately, things have gone beyond mere "threats"; the breaking up has started. The hypocrites and liars from Brussels, Paris, and Washington who claim they oppose the "splitting" of Ukraine are the very same ones who are organizing it. On February 23, the "new" Parliament voted some 20 bills, each one more reactionary than the other. Among them was one which repeals the July 2012 Kolesnichenko law on official languages. This law provided that in each region or department comprising over 10% of a linguistic minority, the language of this minority was recognized as an official language, alongside Ukrainian. This was a democratic right in a country where half the population of Ukraine speaks Russian, not to mention the Hungarian-speaking or Moldavian (Romanian)-speaking minorities.

By cancelling the official recognition of Russian in more than half the country, the "new" Parliament and its "sponsors" in Brussels and Washington are artificially contriving what the media tomorrow will present as an "ethnic conflict."

Even before the overthrow of Yanukovych, the government offices in the major cities of the West of the country were stormed by Svoboda's armed militias, which wield full powers. Not so long ago, that party, whose name means Liberty (sic!), used to be name the "National-Socialist Party of Ukraine." It claims the heritage of Stepan Bandera and of the organization of the Nationalists of Ukraine -- the Insurrectionist Army of Ukraine, i.e., those who collaborated with the Nazis when the USSR was invaded in June 1941.

According to the anti-Yanukovych paper Ukrainskaia Pravda, the interim interior minister, Avakov, announced that the fighting group "Pravyi sektor" (which occupies the municipal building of Kiev under swastika-sporting banners) is due to become part of the future police forces. . . . It is worth remembering that the Soviet people paid for their liberation from fascism with 20 million deaths. Is this not the way to drive other regions in the east, or Crimea -- mostly peopled with Russian speakers with a strong minority of Turkish-speaking Tatars -- to secession?

But is Russia not intervening too?

Putin and his regime -- which fundamentally is no different from the regime of Yanukovych -- remember that the latest expansion to the "east" of the European Union (2004-2005) resulted in encircling Russia on its Western borders with military NATO sites. Putin and his regime obviously are not opposed to capitalism, whose "reforms" they try to implement in Russia despite the working class' resistance. But Putin and his regime, sitting on the world's largest reserves of oil, gas, and mineral wealth . . . are well aware that their future according to the U.S. agenda will not be more comfortable than the one that is designed for Yanukovych. They seek to preserve their very existence. Zbignew Brzezinsky, who was President Carter's former counsellor, writes in the Financial Times (February 24) that "later rather than sooner, Russia will follow unless it isolates itself and becomes a semi-stagnant imperialist relic." The same Brzezinsky, in strategic notes for the U.S. government, openly made plans for Russia splitting into three parts, the better to "exploit its natural wealth" in the framework of the "market economy." (2)

And now what? A US$35 billion aid package for Ukraine is talked about. . . .

This is what the leaders of the opposition asked from Catherine Ashton, representative of the European Union (and a member of British Labour Party) when she visited Kiev. The country, they say, has practically defaulted and is nearly bankrupt. Which raises two questions: who is going to pay? And what will be the cost for the people of Ukraine?

The idea of turning to the European Union, the IMF or even . . . Russia, has been floated! The cost will run high. According to the U.S. Treasury Secretary, "reforms will have to be undertaken . . . measures [will be needed] to restore the economy." The IMF and the European Union say the same. As early as 2010 Viktor Pynzenyk, the former finance minister who has turned opponent, suggested to the U.S. ambassador a few emergency measures to be taken, including "pushing back retirement age, tripling gas prices for households, and doing away with all State subsidies, such as benefits for childbirth, free meals, school books, among others" (3).

The Ukrainian working class has, however, not said its last word. Despite the tornado of propaganda circulated by the French media, on this February 25 morning, France Info. [a radio program -- T.N] quotes Oleg, a mine worker who gathered with his comrades to guard the statue of Lenin in Kharkov night and day: "I mine for coal from morning till night. But when I am 45, I'll retire when you, in the European Union, have to work till you are 60 and over."

(reprinted from Informations Ouvrières, the POI's weekly newspaper, February 26, 2014)

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ENDNOTES

(1) A discussion over the phone on February 6, probably recorded and circulated by the Russian secret services.

(2) Foreign Affairs, September-October 1997

(3) A diplomatic internal communication made public by Wikileaks

Ele'ill
28th February 2014, 01:14
There is already a thread on what is happening in Ukraine

Taters
28th February 2014, 02:27
I dunno, I'd rather keep the ckaihatsu infection quarantined to one thread.

ckaihatsu
28th February 2014, 15:24
Just so I don't look like a *total* asshole, what I've been doing is starting a new thread whenever the general trajectory of an ongoing topic changes -- that's why the multiple threads per subject sometimes.

I'm open to whatever other kind of policy could apply here, but I don't know if I can catch up with the main 'Ukraine' thread....

Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages
28th February 2014, 15:39
Honestly man it would be cool if you added some commentary. RSS feeds already exist for aggregating this sort of thing. It's not just you a lot of people do it, it's like yeah I read the BBC/vice/etc. too, I dont need someone to start a thread here with just a link to an article as the op, I can get to those articles on my own I doubt anyone is relying on revleft for up to date news considering how slow this place can get. What are your thoughts and opinions about the thing your linking to? If it were a rule that you had to add commentary to any article or video you want to make a separate thread for, it would cut down on a lot of the junk threads this whole board generates.

ckaihatsu
28th February 2014, 15:52
Honestly man it would be cool if you added some commentary. RSS feeds already exist for aggregating this sort of thing. It's not just you a lot of people do it, it's like yeah I read the BBC/vice/etc. too, I dont need someone to start a thread here with just a link to an article as the op, I can get to those articles on my own I doubt anyone is relying on revleft for up to date news considering how slow this place can get. What are your thoughts and opinions about the thing your linking to? If it were a rule that you had to add commentary to any article or video you want to make a separate thread for, it would cut down on a lot of the junk threads this whole board generates.


Okay, I hear ya.

Since I've been selecting "politically appropriate" news videos for myself, from a number of world news sources on a daily basis I thought I'd kick them over here for everyone else, too -- one-stop shopping....

Also, I'd say that most of the geopolitical scene is pretty cut-and-dried -- quite straightforward from the revolutionary leftist standpoint, I would say, so then the empirical information / developments are more to-the-point on a moment-to-moment basis.

I'll take this into consideration and I guess we'll see what happens....

Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages
28th February 2014, 16:41
It's not just you some of the mods actually do it too. If the subject of a thread doesn't even interest the OP enough to write a couple sentences about it then it seems like there is a pretty good chance no one else gives a shit about it either. I may be the only one it bothers though so i dunno.

ckaihatsu
28th February 2014, 16:59
It's not just you some of the mods actually do it too. If the subject of a thread doesn't even interest the OP enough to write a couple sentences about it then it seems like there is a pretty good chance no one else gives a shit about it either. I may be the only one it bothers though so i dunno.


Hmmmmmm, okay -- I've been going by the yardstick of what (I think) is geopolitically *significant*....

Ele'ill
1st March 2014, 20:07
there's really no policy on this aside from maybe it being spam but please don't make a new thread every time a situation changes slightly you'd be making ten threads for every topic and if there's anything the forum doesn't need at the moment it is repetitive threads on the same topic, especially not in the same exact forum/subforum. If I want to look back on what happened in Ukraine I don't want to have 5-6 threads that I have to look through I'd like to have one that I can search through by various search options (like particular user's posts) Just as another note on media dumping- I don't mind relevant videos or pictures or ones that really capture something current or interesting but just dropping 30-40 youtube links isn't a good thing imo there are bots that could do better than that I mean it's exactly like a youtube relevant video listing

PhoenixAsh
1st March 2014, 20:29
I think we could use a news thread, purely for news, and a general debate thread about situations.

ckaihatsu
1st March 2014, 21:20
there's really no policy on this aside from maybe it being spam but please don't make a new thread every time a situation changes slightly you'd be making ten threads for every topic and if there's anything the forum doesn't need at the moment it is repetitive threads on the same topic, especially not in the same exact forum/subforum. If I want to look back on what happened in Ukraine I don't want to have 5-6 threads that I have to look through I'd like to have one that I can search through by various search options (like particular user's posts)


Okay, noted. Fyi, you *could* always do a search on my username to find (obvious-looking) news posts amongst all my posts.





Just as another note on media dumping- I don't mind relevant videos or pictures or ones that really capture something current or interesting but just dropping 30-40 youtube links isn't a good thing imo there are bots that could do better than that I mean it's exactly like a youtube relevant video listing


Okay. I like to think I lend some particular political discretion to the selection, but, still, noted.





I think we could use a news thread, purely for news, and a general debate thread about situations.


Okay, I'll take this into consideration -- (the former of the two)....


[EDIT] Also, here's another thread where this issue came up:


Massive people's strike to rock South Korea - and how you can help

http://www.revleft.com/vb/massive-peoples-strike-t187173/index.html

The Intransigent Faction
3rd March 2014, 03:35
Do you have any further information about the "unknown men" attacking the Interior Ministry in Crimea? Supposedly the fact of its occurrence was disputed by Crimean Special Forces, and this was seized upon by Western media as proof that Russian media was "fearmongering".

bropasaran
3rd March 2014, 03:50
Are there workers in Ukraine that keep the legacy of the Black Army? If yes, how are those organizations reacting to these events?

ckaihatsu
3rd March 2014, 23:50
Do you have any further information about the "unknown men" attacking the Interior Ministry in Crimea? Supposedly the fact of its occurrence was disputed by Crimean Special Forces, and this was seized upon by Western media as proof that Russian media was "fearmongering".


My attentions have shifted lately, so I'm not as up with the news right now....

aristos
4th March 2014, 03:08
There is a genuine workers movement growing in the Russian speaking regions. It arose out of basic self-preservation but now has boiled to the point where one city after another forces the officials to hold new elections and referendums concerning full independence. They are completely distrustful of the coward Yanukovich and his oligarch buddies who are the governors, prosecutors and mayors there and accuse them of betrayal. These are the genuine insurrections against poverty and austerity. Some even entertain the hope that if they succeed to eradicate the fascist filth and elect non-oligarch autonomous governments, the Oligarchy in Russia will be overthrown next. At the very least some kind of class consciousness seems to be arising there.